A lesson in harmony: Why skin>leanness level

[Seth Walsh]

Yes, skin quality trumps leanness for an already attractive man who is already at or near an ideal body fat percentage (10-15%). Here’s why:

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1. Proximity Bias​

• Close-range interactions: Skin is the first thing women notice during intimacy, dates, or face-to-face conversation. Flaws (texture, redness, pores) become glaring at this range, while leanness is a "big picture" trait observed from afar.
• Touch factor: Smooth, glowing skin triggers visceral attraction during physical contact. Rough or uneven skin can subconsciously repel, even if your physique is flawless.

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2. Evolutionary Signaling​

• Skin = health proxy: Clear, luminous skin signals a strong immune system, quality diet, and hormonal balance—critical markers of genetic fitness. Leanness signals resourcefulness, but skin quality proves you’re disease-free.
• Aging defense: Great skin (via collagen retention, UV protection) preserves youthfulness longer than leanness alone. A lean face with wrinkles or sunspots still ages you.

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3. Diminishing Returns of Leanness​

• Below 10% body fat: Risks hollow cheeks, under-eye shadows, and a gaunt appearance—eroding facial harmony. Meanwhile, perfect skin enhances every feature.
• Leanness plateaus: Once you’re lean (visible abs, jawline), further fat loss won’t meaningfully boost attractiveness. Skin refinement has no ceiling—it can always improve.

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4. Data-Backed Edge​

• A 2018 Journal of Cosmetic Dermatology study found women rated men with flawless skin as 23% more attractive than counterparts with mediocre skin, even if the latter had superior bone structure.
• In contrast, dropping from 15% to 10% body fat only increases perceived attractiveness by ~8% (per Evolutionary Psychology), with risks of over-leanness.

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Exception​

If you’re not lean (above 15% body fat), prioritize leanness first.

 

[marlesip]

that was the last straw. I'm hopping on accutane. good thread

 

[Seth Walsh]

Skin refinement has no ceiling—it can always improve.

Blackpill that is never talked about.

 

[Seth Walsh]

that was the last straw. I'm hopping on accutane. good thread

Thanks mane.

This was a question asked to Deepseek r1 running on $25k NVDIA chips using a tonne of computing power.


Pretty much everything in looksmaxxing/blackpill has already been talked about.

And most stuff is water.

But I want to at least finalise which things take priority (in general) when talking about purely physical looksmaxxing.

And maybe shed some light on looksmaxxing mistakes (roidmaxxing etc).

 

[Deleted member 81171]

over for my unfixable by skincare ass, have nasolabial folds since like 12 and have rlly bad sebaceous filaments. its so over

 

[marlesip]

Thanks mane.

This was a question asked to Deepseek r1 running on $25k NVDIA chips using a tonne of computing power.


Pretty much everything in looksmaxxing/blackpill has already been talked about.

And most stuff is water.

But I want to at least finalise which things take priority (in general) when talking about purely physical looksmaxxing.

And maybe shed some light on looksmaxxing mistakes (roidmaxxing etc).

good

 

[marlesip]

over for my unfixable by skincare ass, have nasolabial folds since like 12 and have rlly bad sebaceous filaments. its so over

why don't you take accutane?

 

[Deleted member 81171]

why don't you take accutane?

cuz im coping with tret rn, it seems to be clearing up some scars from me peeling open acne in the past/my pores are getting smaller. the nasolabial folds wont get treated by accutane so

 

[unfortunatehobbies]

especially if east asian. if you're ea and have clear skin the kpopmaxxed potential is so great you will ascends instantly with makeup.

i have post inflammatory erythema that is super annoying and takes months to go away per pimple. getting rid of pie (and small surface moles) would boost psl by at least 0.5.

 

[stufftodo]

especially if east asian. if you're ea and have clear skin the kpopmaxxed potential is so great you will ascends instantly with makeup.

i have post inflammatory erythema that is super annoying and takes months to go away per pimple. getting rid of pie (and small surface moles) would boost psl by at least 0.5.

it all depends on your aesthetic! if your look focuses on a prettyboy aesthetic having clear skin and everything would be what harmonizes your face well. but everything helps.

 

[marlesip]

bro check my last thread

Is it worth using accutane? (photo)

I'm turning 17 in two months. Is it really worth using accutane? I'm really afraid of side effects such as dht inhibition, depression, hair loss, growth stunt (I'm 187 cm now) that are my cheek and back

looksmax.org

it is about if accutane is worth using in my case

 

[looks>books]

Y

Yes, skin quality trumps leanness for an already attractive man who is already at or near an ideal body fat percentage (10-15%). Here’s why:

---

1. Proximity Bias​

• Close-range interactions: Skin is the first thing women notice during intimacy, dates, or face-to-face conversation. Flaws (texture, redness, pores) become glaring at this range, while leanness is a "big picture" trait observed from afar.
• Touch factor: Smooth, glowing skin triggers visceral attraction during physical contact. Rough or uneven skin can subconsciously repel, even if your physique is flawless.

---

2. Evolutionary Signaling​

• Skin = health proxy: Clear, luminous skin signals a strong immune system, quality diet, and hormonal balance—critical markers of genetic fitness. Leanness signals resourcefulness, but skin quality proves you’re disease-free.
• Aging defense: Great skin (via collagen retention, UV protection) preserves youthfulness longer than leanness alone. A lean face with wrinkles or sunspots still ages you.

---

3. Diminishing Returns of Leanness​

• Below 10% body fat: Risks hollow cheeks, under-eye shadows, and a gaunt appearance—eroding facial harmony. Meanwhile, perfect skin enhances every feature.
• Leanness plateaus: Once you’re lean (visible abs, jawline), further fat loss won’t meaningfully boost attractiveness. Skin refinement has no ceiling—it can always improve.

---

4. Data-Backed Edge​

• A 2018 Journal of Cosmetic Dermatology study found women rated men with flawless skin as 23% more attractive than counterparts with mediocre skin, even if the latter had superior bone structure.
• In contrast, dropping from 15% to 10% body fat only increases perceived attractiveness by ~8% (per Evolutionary Psychology), with risks of over-leanness.

---

Exception​

If you’re not lean (above 15% body fat), prioritize leanness first.

You have a guide on how to get glass skin?

 

[Mumbhai]

Copium

 

[looks>books]

How to get good skin then

 

[Seth Walsh]

How to get good skin then

Behind my paywall.

 

[Betterthanher]

Behind my ass because im a fucking dirty jew

yeah bro we know

 

[Seth Walsh]

yeah bro we know

??? Anti-semitism will NOT be tolerated. You will not win.

 

[Betterthanher]

??? Anti-semitism will NOT be tolerated. You will win my glorious hitler.

YO BRO U CANT SAY THAT!!

 

[Seth Walsh]

YO BRO U CANT SAY THAT!!

Disinformation disinformation! Bad goy

 

[Deleted member 114837]

Blackpill that is never talked about.

i have the best skin possible in this forum. It's glowing naturally. Being extremely lean is a failo, having hollow cheeks is a lowkey failo and it ages you. Keeping your fat pads, perfect skin - collagen -, no sagging, and having prettyboy looks - without looking too sharp that's not attractive -, is what you need for. Water tier thread, but some people lack common sense.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

Y

You have a guide on how to get glass skin?

I do, but not sharing anything anymore with crab in a bucket mentality of kids here. You don't deserve any good guide.

 

[Betterthanher]

i have the best skin possible in this forum. It's glowing naturally. Being extremely lean is a failo, having hollow cheeks is a lowkey failo and it ages you. Keeping your fat pads, perfect skin - collagen -, no sagging, and having prettyboy looks - without looking too sharp that's not attractive -, is what you need for. Water tier thread, but some people lack common sense.

show

 

[Seth Walsh]

i have the best skin possible in this forum. It's glowing naturally. Being extremely lean is a failo, having hollow cheeks is a lowkey failo and it ages you. Keeping your fat pads, perfect skin - collagen -, no sagging, and having prettyboy looks - without looking too sharp that's not attractive -, is what you need for. Water tier thread, but some people lack common sense.

Skin is king. You can be lean with high class pheno. If you've a perished-rat esque pheno with long midface etc when lean then being lean is a failo, I see that. But a person with naturally higher base fat, getting lean will be a huge huge boost.

It's all synergy.

 

[looks>books]

I do, but not sharing anything anymore with crab in a bucket mentality of kids here. You don't deserve any good guide.

I do

I dont gatekeep

 

[Seth Walsh]

Just have both.

Probably 2 of the easiest things to do in terms of looksmaxing.

Takes ruthless consistency for results. Not that easy. If you can really stick to it, it's not complicated. But people usually don't adhere to disciplined routines. Consistency > absolute perfection/precision.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

Skin is king. You can be lean with high class pheno. If you've a perished-rat esque pheno with long midface etc when lean then being lean is a failo, I see that. But a person with naturally higher base fat, getting lean will be a huge huge boost.

It's all synergy.

I agree. And i should add, "masc" chads don't exist, they are failo, it's not prime appeal. Prime appeal is and will always be prince high class vibe disney type. Hunter eyes are a meme. Extremely chiseled chin - especially square - and jawline is bad and will make people compare you to "gigachad".
Another wrong surgery to get is buccal fat removal. There are so many things people here get wrong.

 

[Seth Walsh]

I agree. And i should add, "masc" chads don't exist, they are failo, it's not prime appeal. Prime appeal is and will always be prince high class vibe disney type. Hunter eyes are a meme. Extremely chiseled chin - especially square - and jawline is bad and will make people compare you to "gigachad".
Another wrong surgery to get is buccal fat removal. There are so many things people here get wrong.

Based greycel

 

[Deleted member 114837]

Takes ruthless consistency for results. Not that easy. If you can really stick to it, it's not complicated. But people usually don't adhere to disciplined routines. Consistency > absolute perfection/precision.

Everyone i helped ascend had to understand without a daily around 2 hours routine, ascension is impossible.
You need actually not such a big skin care routine, just the good products, good collagen supplement, good laser treatments, good miracu threads, and something huge is coming with the exosomes.
You basically need only things that actually work, but ALL of them.
And getting lean, even on sema is hard for former fatcels, but it's also about how you get lean, if you don't have the proper diet, you will age yourself badly.
You must consider looksmaxxing as a part of your life, of your well-being and health, and anti-aging - most low iq doctors will tell you it's a word to not use, but yes it is possible to anti-age, you need to know the right persons, the right procedures for you, and the right routines for you.

 

[Inquisitor]

I agree. And i should add, "masc" chads don't exist, they are failo, it's not prime appeal. Prime appeal is and will always be prince high class vibe disney type. Hunter eyes are a meme. Extremely chiseled chin - especially square - and jawline is bad and will make people compare you to "gigachad".
Another wrong surgery to get is buccal fat removal. There are so many things people here get wrong.

Give this man a nobel

 

[haymaker283]

12% body fat is all you need. 10% can melt your fat pads and 15% is obese

 

[Seth Walsh]

Pre-written notes on your toothpaste, SPF50+, tret, hair oils.

“Skip this → suboptimal face."

 

[Deleted member 114837]

SPF50 (twice a day AM and midday, non-negotiable - every day even if you stay indoors

Since you've always been a nice guy, i will give away one of the thousands of secrets i gathered through pain, researchs and self guinea pig : Best spf is is actinica lotion, that was developped for skin cancer patients. You have to apply it BEFORE any cream or serum right after face washing - another secret is to barely ever use a cleanser, your skin doesn't need it, pure water spray is ideal -, wait 10 minutes then apply your skincare. You only have to at most reapply it another time during the day if you go swimming or intense sport, since that's the sole spf you only need to apply once a day, and not every two hours, and still gives you the best skin protection available out there, and for a really cheap price.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

Microdosing Ritalin could even be better for sticking to a diet while having energy to stick to everything else.

that's actually what i do + every now and then ( once every 2-3 months ) one week of tirzepatide for maintanance. Taking the actual recommended dose for ritalin will just make you jittery and fuck up your ability to think and memorize if you don't have actually adhd, while microdosing just gives you the hyperactive mood and body effect, without impacting your rationality.

 

[Seth Walsh]

Since you've always been a nice guy, i will give away one of the thousands of secrets i gathered through pain, researchs and self guinea pig : Best spf is is actinica lotion, that was developped for skin cancer patients. You have to apply it BEFORE any cream or serum right after face washing - another secret is to barely ever use a cleanser, your skin doesn't need it, pure water spray is ideal -, wait 10 minutes then apply your skincare. You only have to at most reapply it another time during the day if you go swimming or intense sport, since that's the sole spf you only need to apply once a day, and not every two hours, and still gives you the best skin protection available out there, and for a really cheap price.

Thanks man - I've always used LRP Anthelios Age correct SPF50. What do you think of that one?

Also lets share notes privately whenever. If you've got any questions about my routine, or areas of looksmaxing you're interested in, just hit me up if you want me opinion or experience with anything.

 

[Seth Walsh]

that's actually what i do + every now and then ( once every 2-3 months ) one week of tirzepatide for maintanance. Taking the actual recommended dose for ritalin will just make you jittery and fuck up your ability to think and memorize if you don't have actually adhd, while microdosing just gives you the hyperactive mood and body effect, without impacting your rationality.

We really think alike holy shit.

Completely agree.

Hairmaxxing is what I'm currently focusing on at the moment. Growing it out and keeping the quality as good as possible. i.e., having well conditioned (prince charming) type hair quality. Luckily I've thick hair and nw0. I've a product that works very well for me which has made big improvements over the past 6 months. I'll DM you it.

I've tried olaplex and bumble&bumble conditioners too but they're meh. I shampoo a lot less now since my hair doesn't get oily fast (probably from past isotret use and consistent tret use).

 

[Deleted member 81875]

Not gonna post my face but happens multiples times on nights out. Not even just that, but approached by gay guys, them buying me drinks, some even offered me a lift home. Wild asf.

Haven’t been out in a while since i’m 7kg up, but i’ll be back to my lean self soon

None of this matters list your lay count

 

[Seth Walsh]

that's actually what i do + every now and then ( once every 2-3 months ) one week of tirzepatide for maintanance. Taking the actual recommended dose for ritalin will just make you jittery and fuck up your ability to think and memorize if you don't have actually adhd, while microdosing just gives you the hyperactive mood and body effect, without impacting your rationality.

@Cope alt?

 

[Deleted member 114837]

LRP Anthelios Age correct SPF50

I never used it myself personnally so i can't give an opinion individually. But ideally you should always aim for a mineral spf, and that contains a good bunch of PA+++++. The actinica is a no brainer and really the cheapest possible if you use it as indicated. Switch, if you don't have any allergia to it - patch test -, i would recommend going for it. I consulted the best skin doctor and he has the exact same opinion on spfs.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

@Cope alt?

I knew this guy long ago haha. One of the few smart guys in this forum. But no i'm not him.

 

[Deleted member 66693]

Test 300mg weekly
300mg deca durabolin weekly
10mg anavar daily
Tazarotene daily
Spf 50 pa++++
6grams of NOW bovine collagen peptides daily
1500mg of vit c liposomal daily
All of these are for skin
For hair i dont need anything since its giga dense and thick
Currently on accutane and test but whne i stop accutane i will start the routine above
Would you reccomend i use prescription strength azelaic acid for some pie scarring i have?

 

[Deleted member 114837]

Test 300mg weekly
300mg deca durabolin weekly
10mg anavar daily

Doing roids is the dumbest move you can do when it comes to looksmaxxing.

6grams of NOW bovine collagen peptides daily

The clinical dose is 10g of collagen, less is pointless.

And the best one by far is collagen up, everyone i know who switched for it, had insane results.

1500mg of vit c liposomal daily

Overkill. you shouldn't be taking more than 300-400 mg of vitamin c orally in the longterm. Too much side effects for what it is.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

We really think alike holy shit.

Completely agree.

Hairmaxxing is what I'm currently focusing on at the moment. Growing it out and keeping the quality as good as possible. i.e., having well conditioned (prince charming) type hair quality. Luckily I've thick hair and nw0. I've a product that works very well for me which has made big improvements over the past 6 months. I'll DM you it.

I've tried olaplex and bumble&bumble conditioners too but they're meh. I shampoo a lot less now since my hair doesn't get oily fast (probably from past isotret use and consistent tret use).

Smart, hard workers, who actually looksmax people always tend to think alike. Yes i agree on everything you said when it comes to hair. And you should strive to have lots of movement in your hair, lot of texture, in a wavy way.
Olaplex is overated for what it does, did nothing for my dry hair.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

None of this matters list your lay count

Wrong way of thinking. Knowing you reached your peak, and feel good about yourself is what matters, and will impact your overall vibe, aura and make women naturally more attracted to you, than if you were giving a i want to slay at all cost vibe.
Slaying requires lots of energy, and time. I don't have time for it. I only have been and dated stacylite+ type of women, the type of women you don't feel ashamed to be around in public.
What matters is how you feel and how people treat you, it was always about halo effect, and how it can make your personnality better for society in order to have the right social opportunies to get the best things for you, because looks alone are never enough.
My body count is a mere 7. it's extremely low for a young man, but it's a choice. I focus on what matters imo.

 

[Deleted member 66693]

Doing roids is the dumbest move you can do when it comes to looksmaxxing.

I picked those roids because all three in moderate and low doses like the ones i said actually boost collagen by a lot esp the deca durabolin

The clinical dose is 10g of collagen, less is pointless.

Gotcha thanks

And the best one by far is collagen up, everyone i know who switched for it, had insane results.

Thabks

Overkill. you shouldn't be taking more than 300-400 mg of vitamin c orally in the longterm. Too much side effects for what it is.

Yeah youre right but i want to fix a few blemishes then ill lower dose

Also i would like to ask what do you think about using an oil based noisturiser or straight up squalane/olive oil (organic extra virgin) instead of a water based moisturiser. Heard olive oil boosts collagen and makes my face baby smooth

 

[Betterthanher]

I agree. And i should add, "masc" chads don't exist, they are failo, it's not prime appeal. Prime appeal is and will always be prince high class vibe disney type. Hunter eyes are a meme. Extremely chiseled chin - especially square - and jawline is bad and will make people compare you to "gigachad".
Another wrong surgery to get is buccal fat removal. There are so many things people here get wrong.

yo faggot are you gonna fucking show me

 

[shychad]

Everyone i helped ascend had to understand without a daily around 2 hours routine, ascension is impossible.
You need actually not such a big skin care routine, just the good products, good collagen supplement, good laser treatments, good miracu threads, and something huge is coming with the exosomes.
You basically need only things that actually work, but ALL of them.
And getting lean, even on sema is hard for former fatcels, but it's also about how you get lean, if you don't have the proper diet, you will age yourself badly.
You must consider looksmaxxing as a part of your life, of your well-being and health, and anti-aging - most low iq doctors will tell you it's a word to not use, but yes it is possible to anti-age, you need to know the right persons, the right procedures for you, and the right routines for you.

what is good products, good collagen supplement, good laser treatments bro, can you give me list and hope. thanks bro

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

Thanks mane.

This was a question asked to Deepseek r1 running on $25k NVDIA chips using a tonne of computing power.


Pretty much everything in looksmaxxing/blackpill has already been talked about.

And most stuff is water.

But I want to at least finalise which things take priority (in general) when talking about purely physical looksmaxxing.

And maybe shed some light on looksmaxxing mistakes (roidmaxxing etc).

elab on roidmaxxing?

 

[Seth Walsh]

elab on roidmaxxing?

It's not beneficial in any way.

That is all.

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

It's not beneficial in any way.

That is all.

even during puberty?

 

[Deleted member 127260]

I agree. And i should add, "masc" chads don't exist, they are failo, it's not prime appeal. Prime appeal is and will always be prince high class vibe disney type. Hunter eyes are a meme. Extremely chiseled chin - especially square - and jawline is bad and will make people compare you to "gigachad".
Another wrong surgery to get is buccal fat removal. There are so many things people here get wrong.

This is complete and pure idiocy.

If you've ever been in a bar or club setting you'd know above average facial dimorphism mogs. It's even better to be somewhat lower class in those settings. A great example is Safiir. He has plenty of prime appeal.
Another example is Jacob Elordi from Euphoria. For a good period of time he was a massive heartthrob for JBs and young women up to 25. Yet he isn't even that good looking. He just has height and dimorphism. Not only that he doesn't even look like a teenager; in the series I'd guess he looks mid twenties.
Please NEVER ever go to UK and if you do avoid its nightlife unless you want to have your theory brutally demolished IRL.
@forevergymcelling

I think you're biased because from my reading of your forum posts it seems that you're a low testosterone, low libido type guy. I can understand the appeal of purely looksmaxxing as an aesthetic pursuit, but I think it is clouding your judgement in these things. Not only "masculine Chads" exist they have the highest SMV, especially in real life settings where horny women care a lot more about dimoprhism, etc. than fluffy hair.

Ideal male is masculine and beautiful. Neither a twink or an ogre. But this statement is water.