A lesson in harmony: Why skin>leanness level

[Deleted member 114837]

We really think alike holy shit.

Completely agree.

Hairmaxxing is what I'm currently focusing on at the moment. Growing it out and keeping the quality as good as possible. i.e., having well conditioned (prince charming) type hair quality. Luckily I've thick hair and nw0. I've a product that works very well for me which has made big improvements over the past 6 months. I'll DM you it.

I've tried olaplex and bumble&bumble conditioners too but they're meh. I shampoo a lot less now since my hair doesn't get oily fast (probably from past isotret use and consistent tret use).

Smart, hard workers, who actually looksmax people always tend to think alike. Yes i agree on everything you said when it comes to hair. And you should strive to have lots of movement in your hair, lot of texture, in a wavy way.
Olaplex is overated for what it does, did nothing for my dry hair.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

None of this matters list your lay count

Wrong way of thinking. Knowing you reached your peak, and feel good about yourself is what matters, and will impact your overall vibe, aura and make women naturally more attracted to you, than if you were giving a i want to slay at all cost vibe.
Slaying requires lots of energy, and time. I don't have time for it. I only have been and dated stacylite+ type of women, the type of women you don't feel ashamed to be around in public.
What matters is how you feel and how people treat you, it was always about halo effect, and how it can make your personnality better for society in order to have the right social opportunies to get the best things for you, because looks alone are never enough.
My body count is a mere 7. it's extremely low for a young man, but it's a choice. I focus on what matters imo.

 

[Deleted member 66693]

Doing roids is the dumbest move you can do when it comes to looksmaxxing.

I picked those roids because all three in moderate and low doses like the ones i said actually boost collagen by a lot esp the deca durabolin

The clinical dose is 10g of collagen, less is pointless.

Gotcha thanks

And the best one by far is collagen up, everyone i know who switched for it, had insane results.

Thabks

Overkill. you shouldn't be taking more than 300-400 mg of vitamin c orally in the longterm. Too much side effects for what it is.

Yeah youre right but i want to fix a few blemishes then ill lower dose

Also i would like to ask what do you think about using an oil based noisturiser or straight up squalane/olive oil (organic extra virgin) instead of a water based moisturiser. Heard olive oil boosts collagen and makes my face baby smooth

 

[Betterthanher]

I agree. And i should add, "masc" chads don't exist, they are failo, it's not prime appeal. Prime appeal is and will always be prince high class vibe disney type. Hunter eyes are a meme. Extremely chiseled chin - especially square - and jawline is bad and will make people compare you to "gigachad".
Another wrong surgery to get is buccal fat removal. There are so many things people here get wrong.

yo faggot are you gonna fucking show me

 

[shychad]

Everyone i helped ascend had to understand without a daily around 2 hours routine, ascension is impossible.
You need actually not such a big skin care routine, just the good products, good collagen supplement, good laser treatments, good miracu threads, and something huge is coming with the exosomes.
You basically need only things that actually work, but ALL of them.
And getting lean, even on sema is hard for former fatcels, but it's also about how you get lean, if you don't have the proper diet, you will age yourself badly.
You must consider looksmaxxing as a part of your life, of your well-being and health, and anti-aging - most low iq doctors will tell you it's a word to not use, but yes it is possible to anti-age, you need to know the right persons, the right procedures for you, and the right routines for you.

what is good products, good collagen supplement, good laser treatments bro, can you give me list and hope. thanks bro

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

Thanks mane.

This was a question asked to Deepseek r1 running on $25k NVDIA chips using a tonne of computing power.


Pretty much everything in looksmaxxing/blackpill has already been talked about.

And most stuff is water.

But I want to at least finalise which things take priority (in general) when talking about purely physical looksmaxxing.

And maybe shed some light on looksmaxxing mistakes (roidmaxxing etc).

elab on roidmaxxing?

 

[Seth Walsh]

elab on roidmaxxing?

It's not beneficial in any way.

That is all.

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

It's not beneficial in any way.

That is all.

even during puberty?

 

[Deleted member 127260]

I agree. And i should add, "masc" chads don't exist, they are failo, it's not prime appeal. Prime appeal is and will always be prince high class vibe disney type. Hunter eyes are a meme. Extremely chiseled chin - especially square - and jawline is bad and will make people compare you to "gigachad".
Another wrong surgery to get is buccal fat removal. There are so many things people here get wrong.

This is complete and pure idiocy.

If you've ever been in a bar or club setting you'd know above average facial dimorphism mogs. It's even better to be somewhat lower class in those settings. A great example is Safiir. He has plenty of prime appeal.
Another example is Jacob Elordi from Euphoria. For a good period of time he was a massive heartthrob for JBs and young women up to 25. Yet he isn't even that good looking. He just has height and dimorphism. Not only that he doesn't even look like a teenager; in the series I'd guess he looks mid twenties.
Please NEVER ever go to UK and if you do avoid its nightlife unless you want to have your theory brutally demolished IRL.
@forevergymcelling

I think you're biased because from my reading of your forum posts it seems that you're a low testosterone, low libido type guy. I can understand the appeal of purely looksmaxxing as an aesthetic pursuit, but I think it is clouding your judgement in these things. Not only "masculine Chads" exist they have the highest SMV, especially in real life settings where horny women care a lot more about dimoprhism, etc. than fluffy hair.

Ideal male is masculine and beautiful. Neither a twink or an ogre. But this statement is water.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

If you've ever been in a bar or club setting you'd know above average facial dimorphism mogs. It's even better to be somewhat lower class in those settings. A great example is Safiir. He has plenty of prime appeal.
Another example is Jacob Elordi from Euphoria. For a good period of time he was a massive heartthrob for JBs and young women up to 25. Yet he isn't even that good looking. He just has height and dimorphism. Not only that he doesn't even look like a teenager; in the series I'd guess he looks mid twenties.
Please NEVER ever go to UK and if you do avoid its nightlife unless you want to have your theory brutally demolished IRL.
@

@forevergymcelling

Again, tell me what you have to do in a nightclub full of desperate ugly fake-up maxxed people?
The whole concept of slaying is dumb as it gets. It's accumulating disease, losing your time and brain energy in order to have sex with average to slightly above average women who have been ran through.
No wonder, in that setting, being the most "masculine", tall and "ugly", is seen as attractive.

And you quote @forevergymcelling, without knowing that guy is 5ft8, average looking - he sent me his unfrauded pics -, extremely ethnic looking in a bad way, and 45yo looking. Nothing either pretty, or masc about him. All the things he says, therefore are cope and larp by default to me.

because from my reading of your forum posts it seems that you're a low testosterone, low libido type guy

Then you have reading comprehension issues. I have a masculine face, height and frame. I'm not low libido at all but i rather have one stacy gf than going from beckies to beckies. There is way more to looks than just slaying randoms : all you should aim for is the strongest halo effect possible in all aspects of life, and for this you need high class robust prettyboy looks. Not maher looks, not ogre looks.
I don't have the energy for that.

Ideal male is masculine and beautiful. Neither a twink or an ogre. But this statement is water.

It always has been : Be prettier than women, and more masculine than most men. In order words, be an ideal disney prince.
And i say this while being quite masc and not enough prettyboyish, and getting more prettyboyish skyrocketted my appeal.

 

[Deleted member 2381]

Again, tell me what you have to do in a nightclub full of desperate ugly fake-up maxxed people?
The whole concept of slaying is dumb as it gets. It's accumulating disease, losing your time and brain energy in order to have sex with average to slightly above average women who have been ran through.
No wonder, in that setting, being the most "masculine", tall and "ugly", is seen as attractive.

And you quote @forevergymcelling, without knowing that guy is 5ft8, average looking - he sent me his unfrauded pics -, extremely ethnic looking in a bad way, and 45yo looking. Nothing either pretty, or masc about him. All the things he says, therefore are cope and larp by default to me.

Then you have reading comprehension issues. I have a masculine face, height and frame. I'm not low libido at all but i rather have one stacy gf than going from beckies to beckies. There is way more to looks than just slaying randoms : all you should aim for is the strongest halo effect possible in all aspects of life, and for this you need high class robust prettyboy looks. Not maher looks, not ogre looks.
I don't have the energy for that.



It always has been : Be prettier than women, and more masculine than most men. In order words, be an ideal disney prince.
And i say this while being quite masc and not enough prettyboyish, and getting more prettyboyish skyrocketted my appeal.

5'9. Everyone I ask irl has said I looked 23-25, never more

I've never shown you shit, retard

"Average looking"

 

[Deleted member 114837]

5'9. Everyone I ask irl has said I looked 23-25, never more

I've never shown you shit, retard

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"Average looking"

I don't have time to have beef with a chronically online rotter. I know, you know, everyone knows. It's not like you've only showed to me, you had the dumb idea to show to many people.
You don't look 25, don't lie to yourself.
And you know i Mog you. I gain nothing from beefing with a crab in a bucket mentality incel.

 

[Deleted member 2381]

I don't have time to have beef with a chronically online rotter. I know, you know, everyone knows. It's not like you've only showed to me, you had the dumb idea to show to many people.
You don't look 25, don't lie to yourself.
And you know i Mog you. I gain nothing from beefing with a crab in a bucket mentality incel.

Lmao sure thing buddy

Good luck

 

[Deleted member 114837]

Lmao sure thing buddy

Good luck

I hope one day you will stop coping and face reality. Take a break from those forums. For your own health. If you were an actual mogger, it would have made a bit more sense and be funnier to bully rotters. But when you look yourself iranian, old, and average at most, it gets sad.

 

[Deleted member 2381]

I hope one day you will stop coping and face reality. Take a break from those forums. For your own health. If you were an actual mogger, it would have I made a bit more sense and be funnier to bully rotters. But when you look yourself iranian, old, and average at most, it gets sad.

I haven't been on here since the 2nd

Whatever bro, if I'm truly an average looking ethnic, then every 'HTN+' here should have a 100+ slaycount, if that's the treatment a subhuman like me gets

 

[Deleted member 127260]

Again, tell me what you have to do in a nightclub full of desperate ugly fake-up maxxed ...

As opposed to what exactly? You're extremely naive if you think there are some quality women out there who have never gone clubbing or partying and that they have never had a ONS or STR. The fact that you stereotype them as average or below average just shows your bias. There are extremely hot women out there in nightclubs, it also heavily dependent on where you're going out. Try going out in Milan and tell me you're only seeing low class ugly whores. Delusional at the best.
You never addressed the core issue. I already debunked your idea that "masc chads don't exist" by giving you clear examples.

I'm quoting @forevergymcelling because he has extensive experience clubbing and going into places where the competition is high. Especially in Ireland/UK. The biggest slayers I know are rugby players. They're not ogres per se, many are incredibly good looking and tall, but they're absolutely far away from whatever you stereotype.

The point being is there are MANY examples that go contrary to what you say and the fact that you make inane, broad statements like that with such confidence shows me you're either ignorant or you have a bias.

Seeing your dishonesty with what you said about him after seeing his response I won't even bother addressing whatever you said there.

Disney prince is not the description I'd give to people I know who are close to Chad looks or having slaying ability lmao.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

here should have a 100+ slaycount, if that's the treatment a subhuman like me gets

Idk if what you say is true man. Since you can't even rate yourself objectively.
But let's say you have 100+ slay count. it has way more to do with you being socially adjusted and low inhibit than your looks. You can be htn and have barely few slay count because you're not low inhibit and socially adjusted.

 

[Deleted member 2381]

Idk if what you say is true man. Since you can't even rate yourself objectively.
But let's say you have 100+ slay count. it has way more to do with you being socially adjusted and low inhibit than your looks. You can be htn and have barely few slay count because you're not low inhibit and socially adjusted.

Most were online where looks are the only thing that matters

I've already made a thread about shit that's happened to me ire. Whether you think it's larp or not is up to you. I literally don't care, I barely post on this shithole anymore

Ferocious brag thread slayer tales - trigger warning

Post your most brutal brags / validating experiences ITT No holding back, no humbleness ect Mine: - Girl I got with at a festival (who had a boyfriend) came back to mine and told me I was the best looking guy she had ever met - Manage to slay the hottest girl on my uni course within 2 hours...

looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 127260]

Idk if what you say is true man. Since you can't even rate yourself objectively.
But let's say you have 100+ slay count. it has way more to do with you being socially adjusted and low inhibit than your looks. You can be htn and have barely few slay count because you're not low inhibit and socially adjusted.

How are you so confident you've seen an actual photo of him and not some shitpost picture of a literal Indian?

 

[Deleted member 114837]

The point being is there are MANY examples that go contrary to what you say and the fact that you make inane, broad statements like that with such confidence either shows me you're either ignorant or you have a bias.

I don't know who you are. All i can say is i have the most extensive looksmax knowledge, and irl experience. You're either ignorant or don't pursue the same halo effect goal.

As opposed to what exactly? You're extremely naive if you think there are some quality women out there who have never gone clubbing or partying and that they have never had a ONS or STR

A girl who goes clubbing isn't ltr material most of the time. A girl with a high bodycount is not LTR material most of the time. We have to distinguish between the desire to slay them and the desire to ltr them. You do you if you find your gf in a night club and her bc is higher than 30.

You never addressed the core issue. I already debunked your idea that "masc chads don't exist" by giving you clear examples.

What examples? Don't exist. Post me even one. You can't be chad and genuinely masc at the same time.

rugby players

All the guys posted by forever weren't chads at all. Not a single one of them.

Disney prince is not the description I'd give to people I know who are close to Chad looks or having slaying ability lmao.

Then you lack common sense and irl experience.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

How are you so confident you've seen an actual photo of him and not some shitpost picture of a literal Indian?

Because i know him from longer than you think. He's not a bad guy. Just a larper who is not genuinely gl. Like most people here who are considered as "forum chads", @Amnesia has the crown of that. It really is a cesspole by now.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

Most were online where looks are the only thing that matters

I've already made a thread about shit that's happened to me ire. Whether you think it's larp or not is up to you. I literally don't care, I barely post on this shithole anymore

Ferocious brag thread slayer tales - trigger warning

Post your most brutal brags / validating experiences ITT No holding back, no humbleness ect Mine: - Girl I got with at a festival (who had a boyfriend) came back to mine and told me I was the best looking guy she had ever met - Manage to slay the hottest girl on my uni course within 2 hours...

looksmax.org

You can have the highest slaycount that you want, it doesn't change the fact you aren't attractive man. What's hard to get?
If you can't appreciate genuinely what you see in the miror, as high class and pretty looking, what's the point of slaying?

 

[Deleted member 127260]

I don't know who you are. All i can say is i have the most extensive looksmax knowledge, and irl experience. You're either ignorant or don't pursue the same halo effect goal.

A girl who goes clubbing isn't ltr material most of the time. A girl with a high bodycount is not LTR material most of the time. We have to distinguish between the desire to slay them and the desire to ltr them. You do you if you find your gf in a night club and her bc is higher than 30.

What examples? Don't exist. Post me even one. You can't be chad and genuinely masc at the same time.

All the guys posted by forever weren't chads at all. Not a single one of them.

Then you lack common sense and irl experience.

You sound utterly delusional and I've yet to see any refutation to what I said. Finding a girl who doesn't go or has experimented with clubbing in West is like finding an albino deer. Also the fact that you keep driving home that clubbing = low class shows me you have never, ever gone out with rich people in a wealthy city like Milan. This concludes the conversation because I'm tired of your holier than thou, know it all attitude like you know everything. You know fuck all, that's what it is.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

what I said

What have you said? That rubgy men are chads? Or that sometimes bimbo go to parties?
What is there to refute? You don't understand the purpose of the concept of halo effect. So what should i say?

Milan.

You keep repeating that, shows again you don't know what high class is. Milan isn't where the most attractive people and high class are.

clubbing = low class

It is. The exact concept, its essence is low class. A bunch of drunk or junkie people who are high, and just want to have sex or listen to a noisy music, is the epitome of low classness.

You just showed me you know nothing about looks, and halo effect.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

I know who are close to Chad looks

I forgot this part too, chad looks starts at prime chico level. You are most likely overating.
The point is not to merely have appeal. But to be extremely aesthetically pleasing, to benefit the most from halo effect in your day to day life. If life for you is summarized by slaying girls in clubs, then it's on you.
And to have that appeal, you are forced to be high class and prettyboyish looking, and high trust. That's looks 101 basics for you.

 

[Deleted member 127260]

It is. The exact concept, its essence is low class. A bunch of drunk or junkie people who are high, and just want to have sex or listen to a noisy music, is the epitome of low classness.

You sound incredibly non NT which explains a lot of what you're saying (coming from resentment and lack of experience). By your criteria 99% of good looking people are low class scumbags and aren't attractive because of it (which again makes no sense). The remaining 1%, which includes religious, ultra career oriented or some kind of autist are creme de la creme. I'm only being patient by replying to you but for the love of God reread what you posted. Milan not a high class city? All women who go to clubs are bimbos? I'm sure your cute stacylite HQNP oneitis has never been clubbing or had any sexual relations through being social (which absolutely includes going out lol).

I'll agree to disagree and I'll leave it at that because I don't see anything good coming out of this.

Edit:

Not a chad by your criteria.

 

[Deleted member 114837]

The remaining 1%, which includes religious, ultra career oriented or some kind of autist are creme de la creme

strawman much?
You can be good looking and not go clubbing, drunk, and high every week end. This is the type of people we talk about.
Good advice for you : If you fall in love with a woman who can't stop clubbing and flirting with other men, then there are high chances she end up cheating on you.
As i said, to me slaying is not important, in fact it's the opposite. Having the validation to look like a genuine chad, or what they call ethereal is enough. Everything for you turns around looking masc and slaying. Says much about your ideals.
Again re-read what i said : Slaying is not a part of the equation for me. It's about the halo effect. Can you at least agree for God's sake that a high class disney prince has more overall abilities to have a wide spread halo effect than maher that you worship?
If yes, end of the story.

The guy you posted is way closer to a robust prettyboy than he is to your "masc" chads. And he is, by the way, a chadlite.

 

[Deleted member 127260]

strawman much?
You can be good looking and not go clubbing, drunk, and high every week end. This is the type of people we talk about.
Good advice for you : If you fall in love with a woman who can't stop clubbing and flirting with other men, then there are high chances she end up cheating on you.
As i said, to me slaying is not important, in fact it's the opposite. Having the validation to look like a genuine chad, or what they call ethereal is enough. Everything for you turns around looking masc and slaying. Says much about your ideals.
Again re-read what i said : Slaying is not a part of the equation for me. It's about the halo effect. Can you at least agree for God's sake that a high class disney prince has more overall abilities to have a wide spread halo effect than maher that you worship?
If yes, end of the story.

The guy you posted is way closer to a robust prettyboy than he is to your "masc" chads. And he is, by the way, a chadlite.

I don't need a lecture on dating, I've only dated women who were virgin or with low body count and I never had any issues with cheating.

Everything about Stepanov screams masculine. He stands at 6'4", a clear indicator of sexual dimorphism. His voice is incredibly deep, you'd think it is edited if you watch his interviews, but no, he truly has a voice like that. Again, another indicator of high testosterone and masculinity. His face has very dense, big bones. Again, masculine. Massive browridge. Thick as fuck cheek bones. Large chin and jaw. Big teeth. On top of his height he has a fairly large frame and big hands. Every single thing says that this is a man. If they found his skeleton in thousand years they'd conclude one thing immediately - this was a man. By every SINGLE definition he is an extremely masculine man. But we can't consider him a Chad by your insanity.

Here's one of the real disney prince Chads of IRL that live celibate, high class lives and truly mog the likes of Stepanov with their angel like halo effect.

 

[CD34]

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Azelaic acid MOGS af, it enhances ogee + gives you god tier textured skin. Yeah i also take it combined with isotret

 

[Seth Walsh]

This is complete and pure idiocy.

If you've ever been in a bar or club setting you'd know above average facial dimorphism mogs. It's even better to be somewhat lower class in those settings. A great example is Safiir. He has plenty of prime appeal.
Another example is Jacob Elordi from Euphoria. For a good period of time he was a massive heartthrob for JBs and young women up to 25. Yet he isn't even that good looking. He just has height and dimorphism. Not only that he doesn't even look like a teenager; in the series I'd guess he looks mid twenties.
Please NEVER ever go to UK and if you do avoid its nightlife unless you want to have your theory brutally demolished IRL.
@forevergymcelling

I think you're biased because from my reading of your forum posts it seems that you're a low testosterone, low libido type guy. I can understand the appeal of purely looksmaxxing as an aesthetic pursuit, but I think it is clouding your judgement in these things. Not only "masculine Chads" exist they have the highest SMV, especially in real life settings where horny women care a lot more about dimoprhism, etc. than fluffy hair.

Ideal male is masculine and beautiful. Neither a twink or an ogre. But this statement is water.

Listen up—nigger.


Now that I have your attention. I need to dispel the “muh club” myth.

Here’s the truth; once you get very good looking, you don’t care about ANY girl you don’t want. Slaying is a myth, and if you truly follow through on “slaying”, your band of guy friends (normie/incel friends) just turn on you for being narcy.

@Beniceandkind is correct in saying that looking your best for personal reasons is really the true motivation.

I don’t know about other people but most well-adjusted men WANT TO find ONE girl to go after, make her his girlfriend, fiancée, courtship, marriage, wife, have kids, house etc…

There’s nothing stronger than the power of your own intuition and emotion when you really find a worthwhile girl AND have options left right and centre, have a high paying career, top eduction and endless ambition.

And the beauty of the world is that even the biggest “Chads”. And I mean suburban Hedge Fund self made Prince Charming type Chads, can fall for a girl simply because she has an amazing character and they have an amazing bond.


Low iq lowsocialclasscels will argue and say “oh he could get Swedish Stacy” why would he choose her? We’re not living in some video game. There’s an age in life where practical considerations set in, and there’s an age where you can you can exercise all your manhood and agency. Why the hell would you put all that effort into buying £10 tickets every weekend going to “MUH CLUBS” with your rat pack of 30 something year old failures living off benefits and binge drinking.


Something I really hate is when guys say “oh look this high class Chad is with this girl rather than this Love Island girl” (who has a bad character)


TLDR:

Character over cosmetics
“Muh UK club” is a cope
Social class pill is real
“Real love isn’t real” is cope
Slaying is cope

Lastly: “We live in a unique time where if 2 people want to be together, they can” it should work without any external constraint, and does—that’s the blackpill.

 

[Deleted member 127260]

Listen up—nigger.


Now that I have your attention. I need to dispel the “muh club” myth.

Here’s the truth; once you get very good looking, you don’t care about ANY girl you don’t want. Slaying is a myth, and if you truly follow through on “slaying”, your band of guy friends (normie/incel friends) just turn on you for being narcy.

@Beniceandkind is correct in saying that looking your best for personal reasons is really the true motivation.

I don’t know about other people but most well-adjusted men WANT TO find ONE girl to go after, make her his girlfriend, fiancée, courtship, marriage, wife, have kids, house etc…

There’s nothing stronger than the power of your own intuition and emotion when you really find a worthwhile girl AND have options left right and centre, have a high paying career, top eduction and endless ambition.

And the beauty of the world is that even the biggest “Chads”. And I mean suburban Hedge Fund self made Prince Charming type Chads, can fall for a girl simply because she has an amazing character and they have an amazing bond.


Low iq lowsocialclasscels will argue and say “oh he could get Swedish Stacy” why would he choose her? We’re not living in some video game. There’s an age in life where practical considerations set in, and there’s an age where you can you can exercise all your manhood and agency. Why the hell would you put all that effort into buying £10 tickets every weekend going to “MUH CLUBS” with your rat pack of 30 something year old failures living off benefits and binge drinking.


Something I really hate is when guys say “oh look this high class Chad is with this girl rather than this Love Island girl” (who has a bad character)


TLDR:

Character over cosmetics
“Muh UK club” is a cope
Social class pill is real
“Real love isn’t real” is cope
Slaying is cope

Lastly: “We live in a unique time where if 2 people want to be together, they can” it should work without any external constraint, and does—that’s the blackpill.

I don't think it's only in nightclubs or bars were facial dimorphism mogs. It pretty much matters in every setting. Imagine thinking that someone like Stepanov or Pitt don't mog 99.9% in any situation. You and the other fellow probably think "masc" means being bald and pumped full of steroids while looking like a dry, old sock. Clubs, bars, etc. is just one example because pretty much everyone will be exposed to such a setting at one point and it's a cope to think it doesn't matter. You both sound aspie as shit, almost like you have some superiority conplex over the idea that attractive people will go to clubs or bars to meet sexual and romantic partners at some point in their life. I think it applies to 99% of attractive and NT people. It's harder to think of examples where someone wouldn't go clubbing or to bars while in college and between ages 18 and 25.

 

[Amnesia]

It's not so black and white I am so sick of hearing this debate

Some women genuinely like more masc guys some women really do like more twinkish guys


If you've ever known different women IRL and watched them swipe on tinder and bumble they can have absolutely VASTLY different preferences, it's always mindblowing to me to watch a girl IRL swipe bc guys I predict theyll swipe right on based on everything I know about PSL yet they will swipe left and guys im thinking theres no way they swipe right on they will;

 

[Mrinfinityx]

I agree. And i should add, "masc" chads don't exist, they are failo, it's not prime appeal. Prime appeal is and will always be prince high class vibe disney type. Hunter eyes are a meme. Extremely chiseled chin - especially square - and jawline is bad and will make people compare you to "gigachad".
Another wrong surgery to get is buccal fat removal. There are so many things people here get wrong.

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