A potentially big problem with this forum. Let me know what you think

[Peco]

Imagine that you find a natural method that works, and that isn't talked about a lot. In that case, the method most likely does not carry an inherit risk and does not require any excessively expensive equipment. That means that knowledge is likely the only barrier ( lack of motivation could be another, but that's easier to overcome compared to the barriers of something like surgery).

Think about something simple and that everybody knows about like the gym. Nowadays most people go to the gym or at least do some type of high intensity physical activity. If nobody knew about the benefits of working out but you did, would you want to share it ? Wouldn't you want to be the only one taking advantage of it ? Would you talk about it publicly or only share it with a few people ?

I think the reason most talked about methods here are artificial is not that they are the most effective, but rather that people are more likely to share information and talk about them.

 

[hypergamousfoids]

All the most advocated for procedures in the forum are all artificial. Surgery, injectables, implants...

I think talking about these things carries no risk for the people who do it. The barrier with these things is not knowledge but rather inhibition or fear. What I mean is that the reason most people don't go for these procedures is not that they don't know about them, rather they are scared of the inherit risk they carry. Sure, for some of these it's also about money, but it's not like every rich or wealthy person does surgery, and other things like roids aren't too expensive or prohibitive for most.

What I'm trying to say is that talking about these things or educating is not really a risk for the people who do it. Even if more people get to know more about them, knowledge is not enough. You still need money and the inihibition to not care so much about the risks or possible consequences. These things are not for everyone.

Now imagine on the other hand that you find a natural method that works, and that isn't talked about a lot. In that case, the method most likely does not carry an inherit risk and does not require any excessively expensive equipment. That means that knowledge is likely the only barrier ( lack of motivation could be another, but that's easier to overcome compared to the barriers of something like surgery).

If knowledge is so crucial then it's unlikely that someone that knows about it would share it. If you share and people see that it works, because of how mainstream this forum has become and its connection with social medias like TikTok, there is a pretty good chance that it would become a lot more well known. You would break the most important barrier for that method.

Think about something simple and that everybody knows about like the gym. Nowadays most people go to the gym or at least do some type of high intensity physical activity. If nobody knew about the benefits of working out but you did, would you want to share it ? Wouldn't you want to be the only one taking advantage of it ? Would you talk about it publicly or only share it with a few people ?

I think the reason most talked about methods here are artificial is not that they are the most effective, but rather that people are more likely to share information and talk about them.

dnr, mirin the effort

 

[Peco]

dnr, mirin the effort

Do read, I want to know what people think about this

 

[Algernon]

All the most talked about procedures in the forum are all artificial. Surgery, injectables, implants...

I think talking about these things carries no risk for the people who do it. The barrier with these things is not knowledge but rather inhibition or fear. What I mean is that the reason most people don't go for these procedures is not that they don't know about them, rather they are scared of the inherit risk they carry. Sure, for some of these it's also about money, but it's not like every rich or wealthy person does surgery, and other things like roids aren't too expensive or prohibitive for most.

What I'm trying to say is that talking about these things or educating is not really a risk for the people who do it. Even if more people get to know more about them, knowledge is not enough. You still need money and the inihibition to not care so much about the risks or possible consequences. These things are not for everyone.

Now imagine on the other hand that you find a natural method that works, and that isn't talked about a lot. In that case, the method most likely does not carry an inherit risk and does not require any excessively expensive equipment. That means that knowledge is likely the only barrier ( lack of motivation could be another, but that's easier to overcome compared to the barriers of something like surgery).

If knowledge is so crucial then it's unlikely that someone that knows about it would share it. If you share and people see that it works, because of how mainstream this forum has become and its connection with social medias like TikTok, there is a pretty good chance that it would become a lot more well known. You would break the most important barrier for that method.

Think about something simple and that everybody knows about like the gym. Nowadays most people go to the gym or at least do some type of high intensity physical activity. If nobody knew about the benefits of working out but you did, would you want to share it ? Wouldn't you want to be the only one taking advantage of it ? Would you talk about it publicly or only share it with a few people ?

I think the reason most talked about methods here are artificial is not that they are the most effective, but rather that people are more likely to share information and talk about them.

there is no secret looksmax

people have been searching for these things all through history, i'm sure it would get leaked or smth

any effective one would go public/be sold

 

[Idontknow-]

Too long

 

[hypergamousfoids]

Do read, I want to know what people think about this

yeah I did end up reading it and honestly you have a point

 

[Idontknow-]

yeah I did end up reading it and honestly you have a point

Explain it

 

[khrome]

All the most talked about procedures in the forum are all artificial. Surgery, injectables, implants...

I think talking about these things carries no risk for the people who do it. The barrier with these things is not knowledge but rather inhibition or fear. What I mean is that the reason most people don't go for these procedures is not that they don't know about them, rather they are scared of the inherit risk they carry. Sure, for some of these it's also about money, but it's not like every rich or wealthy person does surgery, and other things like roids aren't too expensive or prohibitive for most.

What I'm trying to say is that talking about these things or educating is not really a risk for the people who do it. Even if more people get to know more about them, knowledge is not enough. You still need money and the inihibition to not care so much about the risks or possible consequences. These things are not for everyone.

Now imagine on the other hand that you find a natural method that works, and that isn't talked about a lot. In that case, the method most likely does not carry an inherit risk and does not require any excessively expensive equipment. That means that knowledge is likely the only barrier ( lack of motivation could be another, but that's easier to overcome compared to the barriers of something like surgery).

If knowledge is so crucial then it's unlikely that someone that knows about it would share it. If you share and people see that it works, because of how mainstream this forum has become and its connection with social medias like TikTok, there is a pretty good chance that it would become a lot more well known. You would break the most important barrier for that method.

Think about something simple and that everybody knows about like the gym. Nowadays most people go to the gym or at least do some type of high intensity physical activity. If nobody knew about the benefits of working out but you did, would you want to share it ? Wouldn't you want to be the only one taking advantage of it ? Would you talk about it publicly or only share it with a few people ?

I think the reason most talked about methods here are artificial is not that they are the most effective, but rather that people are more likely to share information and talk about them.

So you're implying theres a secret looksmaxxing or looks technique nobody talks about lol?

 

[jotunnr]

Explain it

venmo me $5 and ill give a tldr

 

[hypergamousfoids]

Explain it

 

[zigeuner]

All the most talked about procedures in the forum are all artificial. Surgery, injectables, implants...

I think talking about these things carries no risk for the people who do it. The barrier with these things is not knowledge but rather inhibition or fear. What I mean is that the reason most people don't go for these procedures is not that they don't know about them, rather they are scared of the inherit risk they carry. Sure, for some of these it's also about money, but it's not like every rich or wealthy person does surgery, and other things like roids aren't too expensive or prohibitive for most.

What I'm trying to say is that talking about these things or educating is not really a risk for the people who do it. Even if more people get to know more about them, knowledge is not enough. You still need money and the inihibition to not care so much about the risks or possible consequences. These things are not for everyone.

Now imagine on the other hand that you find a natural method that works, and that isn't talked about a lot. In that case, the method most likely does not carry an inherit risk and does not require any excessively expensive equipment. That means that knowledge is likely the only barrier ( lack of motivation could be another, but that's easier to overcome compared to the barriers of something like surgery).

If knowledge is so crucial then it's unlikely that someone that knows about it would share it. If you share and people see that it works, because of how mainstream this forum has become and its connection with social medias like TikTok, there is a pretty good chance that it would become a lot more well known. You would break the most important barrier for that method.

Think about something simple and that everybody knows about like the gym. Nowadays most people go to the gym or at least do some type of high intensity physical activity. If nobody knew about the benefits of working out but you did, would you want to share it ? Wouldn't you want to be the only one taking advantage of it ? Would you talk about it publicly or only share it with a few people ?

I think the reason most talked about methods here are artificial is not that they are the most effective, but rather that people are more likely to share information and talk about them.

I Would compare it a Little Bit to the Mainstream of 5alpha reductase inhibitores - Even in the medical Field or many medical Professional still had bias against Fin

 

[81xa]

Think about something simple and that everybody knows about like the gym. Nowadays most people go to the gym or at least do some type of high intensity physical activity. If nobody knew about the benefits of working out but you did, would you want to share it ? Wouldn't you want to be the only one taking advantage of it ? Would you talk about it publicly or only share it with a few people ?

I think the reason most talked about methods here are artificial is not that they are the most effective, but rather that people are more likely to share information and talk about them.

nigga couldve just posted this and called it a day

 

[Peco]

there is no secret looksmax

people have been searching for these things all through history, i'm sure it would get leaked or smth

any effective one would go public/be sold

I don't really agree with this logic. Mewing was discovered and people only started talking about it in the last years. I'm not saying mewing fixes all your problems, but I'm just showing you an example of something that, especially if started young can give you great aesthetic results but which wasn't talked about before. How can you be sure there isn't something like that that yelds even better results and that hasn't been talked about yet, or is only starting to get out of its niche recently?

 

[Paul.jnxy]

All the most talked about procedures in the forum are all artificial. Surgery, injectables, implants...

I think talking about these things carries no risk for the people who do it. The barrier with these things is not knowledge but rather inhibition or fear. What I mean is that the reason most people don't go for these procedures is not that they don't know about them, rather they are scared of the inherit risk they carry. Sure, for some of these it's also about money, but it's not like every rich or wealthy person does surgery, and other things like roids aren't too expensive or prohibitive for most.

What I'm trying to say is that talking about these things or educating is not really a risk for the people who do it. Even if more people get to know more about them, knowledge is not enough. You still need money and the inihibition to not care so much about the risks or possible consequences. These things are not for everyone.

Now imagine on the other hand that you find a natural method that works, and that isn't talked about a lot. In that case, the method most likely does not carry an inherit risk and does not require any excessively expensive equipment. That means that knowledge is likely the only barrier ( lack of motivation could be another, but that's easier to overcome compared to the barriers of something like surgery).

If knowledge is so crucial then it's unlikely that someone that knows about it would share it. If you share and people see that it works, because of how mainstream this forum has become and its connection with social medias like TikTok, there is a pretty good chance that it would become a lot more well known. You would break the most important barrier for that method.

Think about something simple and that everybody knows about like the gym. Nowadays most people go to the gym or at least do some type of high intensity physical activity. If nobody knew about the benefits of working out but you did, would you want to share it ? Wouldn't you want to be the only one taking advantage of it ? Would you talk about it publicly or only share it with a few people ?

I think the reason most talked about methods here are artificial is not that they are the most effective, but rather that people are more likely to share information and talk about them.

DNR gpt slop.

 

[buccalfatremoval]

Dnr nigga only real ascension past all puberty is hardmaxxing stop coping with your fag fear mongering

 

[Peco]

nigga couldve just posted this and called it a day

Yeah probably lol, still, what do you think ? Also might edit it to make it shorter like that

 

[Peco]

DNR gpt slop.

lol how is it gpt, it's my original thoughts. Just read and you'll realize

 

[Peco]

So you're implying theres a secret looksmaxxing or looks technique nobody talks about lol?

I'm saying if there is, most likely it won't come out anytime soon

 

[Peco]

Dnr nigga only real ascension past all puberty is hardmaxxing stop coping with your fag fear mongering

Stupid and irrational take. You can't justify this in any way, yet you speak with this level of confidence. Pretty dumb way of thinking

 

[Final Fantasy]

Half read.

I think everything that has been discovered about looksmaxxing has been discovered and discussed on here. It's just regurgitating what's already been known as there isn't much left to discover. People will not gatekeep due to the fact they think it'll give them fame. Roidmaxxing, surgery etc. It's all been found, I doubt there is any significant discovery that hasn't gone public.

 

[buccalfatremoval]

Stupid and irrational take. You can't justify this in any way, yet you speak with this level of confidence. Pretty dumb way of thinking

Ask anyone with a brain and a few years of experience and they’ll agree.
And stop using ai

 

[slayer_Dominus]

I think the reason most talked about methods here are artificial is not that they are the most effective, but rather that people are more likely to share information and talk about them.

That doesn't make any sense to me
You can't just throw shit at the wall and prove that something works 100% all by yourself. You see people debunk/prove various questionable methods all the time, that's what this place is made for

 

[Peco]

Ask anyone with a brain and a few years of experience and they’ll agree.

Your logic makes no sense. Unless you can prove what you say scientifically we aren't going anywhere. Anectodes are useless. Like I explained it might just be that you guys are not aware of a better way. The fact that you aren't aware of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The smartest people in the world used to believe with 100% certainty that the earth was flat. Provide a reasonable justification and not just "yeah bro smart people will agree with me" it's just an echo chamber unless you can actually prove what you say

And stop using ai

I'm not using AI, I'm heavily against it. I think it's another reason why people in here stopped thinking indipendently and are just a brainswashed hive mind.

 

[Shirobon]

Stupid and irrational take. You can't justify this in any way, yet you speak with this level of confidence. Pretty dumb way of thinking

There aren't any esoteric or gatekeeped bs about looksmaxxing, everything that has been shown is all that we have, There isn't much u can do to really change ur looks other than surgery and pharmaceuticals along with some other miscellaneous things
to say otherwise is basically saying we know more than professionals in the medical field
stop coping

 

[Peco]

That doesn't make any sense to me
You can't just throw shit at the wall and prove that something works 100% all by yourself.

Why not ? If it's a natural method you can just try it and you'll see if it works or not.

 

[Peco]

There aren't any esoteric or gatekeeped bs about looksmaxxing, everything that has been shown is all that we have, There isn't much u can do to really change ur looks other than surgery and pharmaceuticals along with some other miscellaneous things
to say otherwise is basically saying we know more than professionals in the medical field
stop coping

I'll make this clear. I'm not coping. I have no problems with my appearance. Started using this forum only recently to discuss different topics, but I've been at this for a while. I'm not looking for new ways to improve myself, I've got all I need. Just trying to make you guys think about things

That said you aren't responding to my point like many others. Can you prove that there aren't other ways ? Or are you just saying that because all the ways you know are artificial ? If that's the case then that could very well be explained by my thread.

 

[slayer_Dominus]

Why not ? If it's a natural method you can just try it and you'll see if it works or not.

I don't really get which kind of methods are we talking about
Say you've got bonesmashing. Type that word in a search bar right now - there are dozens of threads with completely opposite facts, because it's hard to evaluate the results (you have to take pics at the exact same spots, etc.)

If we're talking about say muscle gain (something very measurable) than you can be sure that everything you could try was already tried a hundred times before you. If someone figured brand new way of gaining by himself (which would be a miracle) it wouldn't be long before someone else discovers it and posts it online for the clout

 

[Shirobon]

I'll make this clear. I'm not coping. I have no problems with my appearance. Started using this forum only recently to discuss different topics, but I've been at this for a while. I'm not looking for new ways to improve myself, I've got all I need. Just trying to make you guys think about things

That said you aren't responding to my point like many others. Can you prove that there aren't other ways ? Or are you just saying that because all the ways you know are artificial ? If that's the case then that could very well be explained by my thread.

obv there arent all "artificial" ways of improving urself, simply changing ur diet can have positive effects on skin and overall health which leads directly back to ur appearance, but to achieve a actual ascension ig, most of the time u do need to take more drastic measures like surgery

 

[Peco]

I don't really get which kind of methods are we talking about
Say you've got bonesmashing. Type that word in a search bar right now - there are dozens of threads with completely opposite facts, because it's hard to evaluate the results (you have to take pics at the exact same spots, etc.)

If you are not dumb you can evaluate results. If you can't evaluate results by yourself, either you aren't very bright, or they are not good enough to make a difference (in that case you would discard the method).

If we're talking about say muscle gain (something very measurable) than you can be sure that everything you could try was already tried a hundred times before you.

If someone figured brand new way of gaining by himself (which would be a miracle) it wouldn't be long before someone else discovers it and posts it online for the clout

But the people posting it online aren't gonna be from this space. If you are from a community like this you wouldn't want to share a natural method with others. The whole point of this forum is to get information that others don't have access to. If you get that information and then share it with others you have defeated the whole point. I'm saying you guys should look somewhere else for this type of information, because it's not gonna come from here.

 

[Peco]

obv there arent all "artificial" ways of improving urself, simply changing ur diet can have positive effects on skin and overall health which leads directly back to ur appearance, but to achieve a actual ascension ig, most of the time u do need to take more drastic measures like surgery

Again, you cannot justify this claim you are making, can you ? You cannot prove, nobody can. There is no way of saying "this is the only way to do a certain thing" because that would imply you have all the possible ways in front of you, including the ones you aren't aware of and the ones that haven't been discovered yet, and that you have analyzed all of them. Only then you can say, this is the only way.

All you can say is "these are the only ways that I know of" but then we go back to my point.

 

[slayer_Dominus]

I'm saying you guys should look somewhere else for this type of information, because it's not gonna come from here.

Ig bro, you should always do your own research anyway. You judge people from your perspective but there are a lot of folks who would genuinely share self discovered method just to repfarm

 

[Shirobon]

Again, you cannot justify this claim you are making, can you ? You cannot prove, nobody can. There is no way of saying "this is the only way to do a certain thing" because that would imply you have all the possible ways in front of you, including the ones you aren't aware of and the ones that haven't been discovered yet, and that you have analyzed all of them. Only then you can say, this is the only way.

All you can say is "these are the only ways that I know of" but then we go back to my point.

from what we know of human anatomy "natural" methods for fixing most things that make niggas ugly are implausible end of story bro u cant just magically fix a recessed maxilla

 

[Peco]

Half read.

I think everything that has been discovered about looksmaxxing has been discovered and discussed on here. It's just regurgitating what's already been known as there isn't much left to discover. People will not gatekeep due to the fact they think it'll give them fame.

Don't think so. I think anyone that is a bit smart would either not share or use his knowledge for economic purposes. The only thing you wouldn't gatekeep is information that is barriered not by knowledge but by things like inhibition, fear or money (like surgery and roids). Those things aren't as easily marketable to a general audience and sharing information about them alone isn't a risk, since most people already know about them like I said.

Roidmaxxing, surgery etc. It's all been found, I doubt there is any significant discovery that hasn't gone public.

 

[slayer_Dominus]

from what we know of human anatomy "natural" methods for fixing most things that make niggas ugly are implausible end of story bro u cant just magically fix a recessed maxilla

This also, most of the self discovered 'methods' are looksmin

 

[Deleted member 356486]

I mean everybody is gatekeep looksmaxxing methods

there is no secret looksmax

people have been searching for these things all through history, i'm sure it would get leaked or smth

any effective one would go public/be sold

 

[Peco]

from what we know of human anatomy "natural" methods for fixing most things that make niggas ugly are implausible end of story bro u cant just magically fix a recessed maxilla

This is not a justification. You are just saying "I don't know any ways". There is no study that says you can fix a recessed maxilla naturally. There isn't any that says there is a way either. I'm not claiming there is a way, just saying that you cannot say the opposite with confidence either.

 

[cowmuncher26]

Imagine that you find a natural method that works, and that isn't talked about a lot. In that case, the method most likely does not carry an inherit risk and does not require any excessively expensive equipment. That means that knowledge is likely the only barrier ( lack of motivation could be another, but that's easier to overcome compared to the barriers of something like surgery).

Think about something simple and that everybody knows about like the gym. Nowadays most people go to the gym or at least do some type of high intensity physical activity. If nobody knew about the benefits of working out but you did, would you want to share it ? Wouldn't you want to be the only one taking advantage of it ? Would you talk about it publicly or only share it with a few people ?

I think the reason most talked about methods here are artificial is not that they are the most effective, but rather that people are more likely to share information and talk about them.

dnr i got 1000 posts

 

[Shirobon]

This is not a justification. You are just saying "I don't know any ways". There is no study that says you can fix a recessed maxilla naturally. There isn't any that says there is a way either. I'm not claiming there is a way, just saying that you cannot say the opposite with confidence either.

omg bro

 

[Peco]

Ig bro, you should always do your own research anyway.

I think so yeah

You judge people from your perspective but there are a lot of folks who would genuinely share self discovered method just to repfarm

I don't think a smart person would do that, so any information coming from someone like that is most likely bullshit. I explained above that if you are a bit thoughtful you would realize that the best thing to do is either not share it or use it for your own economic advantage

 

[slayer_Dominus]

I mean everybody is gatekeep looksmaxxing methods

Yeah that's the todays reality of this forum. It went mainstream, people like clav monetized it by selling courses and now everyone is gonna gatekeep and try to make money out of it
We're the late majority and this place is probably not gonna yield any new groundbraking methods, just refine to the perfection the old ones

So in that regard I kinda agree with the OP

 

[foidrepeller271]

Imagine that you find a natural method that works, and that isn't talked about a lot. In that case, the method most likely does not carry an inherit risk and does not require any excessively expensive equipment. That means that knowledge is likely the only barrier ( lack of motivation could be another, but that's easier to overcome compared to the barriers of something like surgery).

Think about something simple and that everybody knows about like the gym. Nowadays most people go to the gym or at least do some type of high intensity physical activity. If nobody knew about the benefits of working out but you did, would you want to share it ? Wouldn't you want to be the only one taking advantage of it ? Would you talk about it publicly or only share it with a few people ?

I think the reason most talked about methods here are artificial is not that they are the most effective, but rather that people are more likely to share information and talk about them.

an iq too high?

 

[Peco]

Yeah that's the todays reality of this forum. It went mainstream, people like clav monetized it by selling courses and now everyone is gonna gatekeep and try to make money out of it
We're the late majority and this place is probably not gonna yield any new groundbraking methods, just refine to the perfection the old ones

So in that regard I kinda agree with the OP

Yeah that is my point, but most people think that new methods don't get talked about because they don't exist, when in reality it's just that people have no good reason to do it. The only people I can see sharing something like this are the ones that like you said chase some online clout (reps and fame in the forum), but I doubt anyone that needs that kind of validation has what it takes to find something new.

 

[lmnopq]

Everything that works is known, that’s why everyone knows the specific drugs and surgery’s that really make a difference

 

[Peco]

Everything that works is known, that’s why everyone knows the specific drugs and surgery’s that really make a difference

I think that these things are just not as easily marketable to a general audience. That's why they find their place in this forum.

 

[Peco]

omg bro View attachment 5158848

Classic response of people who cannot counter argument.

 

[testNtren]

Nigger