A thought im having about God

[registerfasterusing]

When a good man kills an evil man, is he still good?
Given that we follow a traditional definition of morality, likely not

So in that case, if God is truly omnibenevolent, then he wouldnt kill evil

But why would he create evil to begin with?
Because without evil, how can there be good? Good can be defined only in its relation to evil.
When u have too much of smth, its value is reduced. When its the only thing there is, it has no value

 

[registerfasterusing]

Thoughts?

 

[Mansur]

God created evil to challenge humans for their loyalty. And killing the evil ( depends in what aspect ) if we are talking about murderers then its obviously good because that person will cause even more harm

 

[Luca_.]

Thoughts?

We’ll never know the intent of a god. Im contradicting myself by saying this kinda. Think of it this way. You’re an ant, an ant won’t know the intentions of a human

 

[registerfasterusing]

God created evil to challenge humans for their loyalty. And killing the evil ( depends in what aspect ) if we are talking about murderers then its obviously good because that person will cause even more harm

Then killing the evil would be pointless cuz its necessary in order to sustain the challenge

 

[Mansur]

Then killing the evil would be pointless cuz its necessary in order to sustain the challenge

it depends what evil your referring to, beeing killed isnt a challenge for loyalty to God. By Evil is meant the devil

 

[FiendFiend]

When a good man kills an evil man, is he still good?
Given that we follow a traditional definition of morality, likely not

So in that case, if God is truly omnibenevolent, then he wouldnt kill evil

But why would he create evil to begin with?
Because without evil, how can there be good? Good can be defined only in its relation to evil.
When u have too much of smth, its value is reduced. When its the only thing there is, it has no value

cuz he has a plan and he wants everyone to play their roles. he makes sub5s, poors, uglies, the tribal who cant believe in him.

Some people are just destined hell from birth, thats just predeterminism this is calvinist belief

 

[Im sorry mother]

Uhhhh

 

[FiendFiend]

When a good man kills an evil man, is he still good?
Given that we follow a traditional definition of morality, likely not

So in that case, if God is truly omnibenevolent, then he wouldnt kill evil

But why would he create evil to begin with?
Because without evil, how can there be good? Good can be defined only in its relation to evil.
When u have too much of smth, its value is reduced. When its the only thing there is, it has no value

no God isnt fair he has favorites to fufill his "prophecies" but in the end Christians believe he will rise all people out of hell and make earth heaven. Im not particulary religious this is just the christian world view

 

[registerfasterusing]

it depends what evil your referring to, beeing killed isnt a challenge for loyalty to God. By Evil is meant the devil

Still necessary

 

[bmantpp1]

When a good man kills an evil man, is he still good?
Given that we follow a traditional definition of morality, likely not

So in that case, if God is truly omnibenevolent, then he wouldnt kill evil

But why would he create evil to begin with?
Because without evil, how can there be good? Good can be defined only in its relation to evil.
When u have too much of smth, its value is reduced. When its the only thing there is, it has no value

This really just depends on what god you believe in, I believe in the Christian God, and it's generally understood that God didn't necessarily create evil, but rather allowed it to exist as a consequence of free will (Adam and Eve eating from the tree of knowledge). In Christianity, the statement "When a good man kills an evil man, is he good?" is a little contradictory because no one is truly good, we've all sinned hence none of us have the authority to end someone else's life (unless it's in defense of our own or our loved one's lives), only God does. This also applies to your other statement ("if God is truly omnibenevolent, then he wouldnt kill evil"). God doesn't necessarily "kill" evil directly (I'm defining "kill" here as the complete and total extermination of a human life with no possibility of rebirth) but he does judge everyone in the end, if you had continued faith in Jesus Christ, you are saved and will go to heaven no matter what you did (so long as you repented) but if you didn't, you face the full blown judgment of God and are sentenced to the 2nd death, that's the final death and I guess in a way you can say God is "killing" evil here but he's really not because he wants everyone to be with him in heaven so the evil people in question here are essentially killing themselves by choosing to not accept Jesus as their savior. Sorry for the long reply but I wanted to answer as accurately as I could within the scope of Christianity. Now if we're talking outside the scope of Christianity...I really couldn't tell you anything about God, because I'd have nothing to go off of, his nature would pretty much be a complete mystery to me.

 

[registerfasterusing]

This really just depends on what god you believe in, I believe in the Christian God, and it's generally understood that God didn't necessarily create evil, but rather allowed it to exist as a consequence of free will (Adam and Eve eating from the tree of knowledge). In Christianity, the statement "When a good man kills an evil man, is he good?" is a little contradictory because no one is truly good, we've all sinned hence none of us have the authority to end someone else's life (unless it's in defense of our own or our loved one's lives), only God does. This also applies to your other statement ("if God is truly omnibenevolent, then he wouldnt kill evil"). God doesn't necessarily "kill" evil directly (I'm defining "kill" here as the complete and total extermination of a human life with no possibility of rebirth) but he does judge everyone in the end, if you had continued faith in Jesus Christ, you are saved and will go to heaven no matter what you did (so long as you repented) but if you didn't, you face the full blown judgment of God and are sentenced to the 2nd death, that's the final death and I guess in a way you can say God is "killing" evil here but he's really not because he wants everyone to be with him in heaven so the evil people in question here are essentially killing themselves by choosing to not accept Jesus as their savior. Sorry for the long reply but I wanted to answer as accurately as I could within the scope of Christianity. Now if we're talking outside the scope of Christianity...I really couldn't tell you anything about God, because I'd have nothing to go off of, his nature would pretty much be a complete mystery to me.

When I say God killing evil, I mean eliminating evil deeds and actions. Like for example children dying from sickness

I think the free will idea doesn’t quite make sense, as evil is necessary in order for good to exist (as I discussed), and therefore, as u mentioned, everyone has done something evil at some point, sinned. And I believe God should be included in this.

Ultimately I suppose I’m questioning why the balance of good and evil must be disturbed by favor. How is an omnibenevolent god any different from an omnimalovent one

 

[registerfasterusing]

When I say God killing evil, I mean eliminating evil deeds and actions. Like for example children dying from sickness

I think the free will idea doesn’t quite make sense, as evil is necessary in order for good to exist (as I discussed), and therefore, as u mentioned, everyone has done something evil at some point, sinned. And I believe God should be included in this.

Ultimately I suppose I’m questioning why the balance of good and evil must be disturbed by favor. How is an omnibenevolent god any different from an omnimalovent one

Ig the question was a bit rhetorical too
Its not possible for someone or something to be entirely good or evil independently

 

[registerfasterusing]

Ig the question was a bit rhetorical too
Its not possible for someone or something to be entirely good or evil independently

On one hand, you could say God created evil for the sake of good. And on the other, u could argue that he created good for the sake of evil

 

[tunisianropemaxxer]

When a good man kills an evil man, is he still good?
Given that we follow a traditional definition of morality, likely not

So in that case, if God is truly omnibenevolent, then he wouldnt kill evil

But why would he create evil to begin with?
Because without evil, how can there be good? Good can be defined only in its relation to evil.
When u have too much of smth, its value is reduced. When its the only thing there is, it has no value

idk
im atheist

 

[subhuman1996]

Kys, jump of the highest building and die in fucking hell for questionning God’s plan. HE GAVE US ALL FREE WILL AND DEPENDING HOW U USE THAT FREE WILL. God didnt create evil at all

 

[autistic_tendencies]

God gave us free will to how we treat our fellow man, basically everything is a moral test

 

[registerfasterusing]

Kys, jump of the highest building and die in fucking hell for questionning God’s plan. HE GAVE US ALL FREE WILL AND DEPENDING HOW U USE THAT FREE WILL. God didnt create evil at all

Free will for the sake of itself
It’s illogical
There is no ‘freedom’ in necessity, nor does humanity inherently incline toward it

And the fact that u dont have the mental capacity to doubt these axioms demonstrates this

 

[registerfasterusing]

God gave us free will to how we treat our fellow man, basically everything is a moral test

Ive discussed why this idea doesnt quite make sense to me in the other replies here

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Ive discussed why this idea doesnt quite make sense to me in the other replies here

Good and bad is so objective, it’s how your mind perceives it

 

[bmantpp1]

When I say God killing evil, I mean eliminating evil deeds and actions. Like for example children dying from sickness

I think the free will idea doesn’t quite make sense, as evil is necessary in order for good to exist (as I discussed), and therefore, as u mentioned, everyone has done something evil at some point, sinned. And I believe God should be included in this.

Ultimately I suppose I’m questioning why the balance of good and evil must be disturbed by favor. How is an omnibenevolent god any different from omnimalovent one.

Tbh, I don't quite have a perfectly satisfactory answer, God knows infinitely more things than us, so trying to understand the rationale behind a kid dying from sickness is kind of pointless, sickness also entered the world as a result of sin. Now as for evil being necessary in order for good to exist, I'm honestly not sure about this one, God's nature has forever been perfect and unchanged long before evil ever existed, to us we are able to perceive God as good because evil exists, but if God is all good then anything that opposes him is evil, opposing God is how we define evil, if nobody opposed God, there would be no concept of evil, but yet again, if there's no evil, how can we know that God is all good? How would we know that opposing him is evil? This is where I think faith comes in, because there's definitely a limit to how much the human mind can understand God

 

[registerfasterusing]

Tbh, I don't quite have a perfectly satisfactory answer, God knows infinitely more things than us, so trying to understand the rationale behind a kid dying from sickness is kind of pointless, sickness also entered the world as a result of sin. Now as for evil being necessary in order for good to exist, I'm honestly not sure about this one, God's nature has forever been perfect and unchanged long before evil ever existed, to us we are able to perceive God as good because evil exists, but if God is all good then anything that opposes him is evil, opposing God is how we define evil, if nobody opposed God, there would be no concept of evil, but yet again, if there's no evil, how can we know that God is all good? How would we know that opposing him is evil? This is where I think faith comes in, because there's definitely a limit to how much the human mind can understand God

I think ur repeating what im saying but w christian terminology

 

[bmantpp1]

Kys, jump of the highest building and die in fucking hell for questionning God’s plan. HE GAVE US ALL FREE WILL AND DEPENDING HOW U USE THAT FREE WILL. God didnt create evil at all

This is not how we are supposed to respond to others with questions about God at all. God would not want you to tell someone to kill themselves for being curious about the nature of God.

 

[bmantpp1]

I think ur repeating what im saying but w christian terminology

Honestly, I probably am. It's a little disappointing, but there are some things that we won't know until we actually meet God, like what he looks like, what he does and questions of this nature

 

[registerfasterusing]

@girthygirt thoughts?

 

[girthygirt]

@girthygirt thoughts?

The main thing I never see critiqued with normal Abrahamic religion is whether God, the truly omnipotent being who created everything. Why would he create evil, knowing it would never cause good? The only counterarguments I could see are God testing us as if it were his lab experiments, or there being other gods (evil). Don't think Satan, since he was a created angel by God. Truthfully, I feel as an ex-religious teen, when maturing, you slowly realize the imperfections of the religion and stop coping.

 

[registerfasterusing]

The main thing I never see critiqued with normal Abrahamic religion is whether God, the truly omnipotent being who created everything. Why would he create evil, knowing it would never cause good? The only counterarguments I could see are God testing us as if it were his lab experiments, or there being other gods (evil). Don't think Satan, since he was a created angel by God. Truthfully, I feel as an ex-religious teen, when maturing, you slowly realize the imperfections of the religion and stop coping.

Thats what im talking abt here

 

[girthygirt]

The main thing I never see critiqued with normal Abrahamic religion is whether God, the truly omnipotent being who created everything. Why would he create evil, knowing it would never cause good? The only counterarguments I could see are God testing us as if it were his lab experiments, or there being other gods (evil). Don't think Satan, since he was a created angel by God. Truthfully, I feel as an ex-religious teen, when maturing, you slowly realize the imperfections of the religion and stop coping.

I never hate on people believing tho i show them utmost respect. Its only when people like politicians are saying Bible is the book of morality and should be instilled on all children. While yes values spoke of in the Bible can be beneficial to kids imagine saying we should use the Islamic Pillars (or wtv its called my bad if wrong). Theyd go crazy

 

[girthygirt]

Thats what im talking abt here

i know i just kinda phrased it in my own neutrality and opinion