A warning about Finasteride, Neurosteroids, and Alzheimer's disease.

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Finasteride reduces the amount of a neurosteroid called Allopregnanolone in the blood markedly, this is a fact, see table. (1). This is because the Allopregnanolone is formed by the 5a-reductase enzyme acting on 5α-dihydroprogesterone. Finasteride's whole mechanism of action is to inhibit this enzyme and thus reduce DHT. However, in doing so, not only is DHT reduced, but so are the formation of critical neurosteroids, including but not limited to Allopregnanolone.

This is a serious concern, as Allopregnanolone has been shown to affect Alzheimer's disease pathology, namely Amyloid-beta deposition in pre-clinical Alzheimer's disease models (2). Moreover, the level of Allopregnanolone is reduced in the brains of AD patients, this is to say, the neurosteroid plays some role in this area (2).

Alzheimer's disease is the result of (amyloid-beta) building up over decades (FACT). This subsequently leads to the development of tau tangles in the brain, which is ultimately what causes the death of neurons and AD (FACT) . So essentially, the build-up of Amyloid beta triggers tau tangles which causes Alzheimers, if you were to prevent amyloid from building up in the brain in the first place the disease pathology wouldn't be able to take place in theory. Finasteride lowers the amount of Allopregnanolone as shown in this study, and numerous others, and thus the brain will be more prone to the build up of amyloid-beta and subsequently AD decades down the line. This could all have a big cumulative effect, as I stated, the disease takes decades before symptoms show up, the changes in the brain are still occurring, it is not like one day a person just wakes up with AD, it is the culmination of many years of pathological proteins (amyloid-beta and tau) building up in the brain (FACT). Each day one takes Allopregnanolone they are impairing their bodies ability to get rid of toxic amyloid-beta from the brain. OK, maybe that is fine for a short while, but multiply this effect over many years / decades and you might have a problem, especially if you are genetically at risk. Those who carry the APOE4 allele for example showed that Allopregnanolone had an even more significant effect in reducing atrophy of the hippocampus (2), around 25% of you reading this will carry at least 1 copy of the APOE4 allele (frequency in white population - FACT), this is higher in other races.

Lastly, this doesn't even take into account the other neurosteroids that Fin suppresses, and who knows how they might further be protecting the brain but in ways we don't know about, so far we know about allo.

This is ultimately what has disuaded me from taking finasteride, but maybe this is a risk you are willing to take, life is all about managing risks.

TLDR: Allopregnanolone protects brain against amyloid-beta which causes Alzheimer's disease, Finasteride nukes allopregnanolone, and thus the brain is more likely to develop amyloid-beta and AD, especially in those at risk. Imagine impairing this neurosteroid for years of finasteride use, and thus years of suboptimal amyloid-beta clearance.

(1) https://www.researchgate.net/public...e_treatment_and_neuroactive_steroid_formation

(2) https://www.alzforum.org/therapeutics/allopregnanolone
 

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This is something that hits close to home, so I wanted to make this thread, maybe some of you will benefit, maybe no one will read it lmao
 
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hair > memory
 
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having hair with alzheimer is better than being bald and remembering all the brutal moments
 
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If you're willing to take a tranny drug alzheimer is not the first problem u need to adress
 
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This is something that hits close to home, so I wanted to make this thread, maybe some of you will benefit, maybe no one will read it lmao
THank you for the thread. :feelsokman:
 


debunked by chad haircafe
 
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debunked by chad haircafe

Its not debunked, actually watch the video. The graph he shows even indicates that 5ar in the brain is reduced, but he shrugs it off.

I watched the video and felt relieved, yay! I can take finasteride and not have no worry! But look into it further, he cherry picks his research and ignores the research I just referred to which shows finasteride ABSOLOUTELY DOES affect Allopregnanolone.
 
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Finasteride reduces the amount of a neurosteroid called Allopregnanolone in the blood markedly, this is a fact, see table. (1). This is because the Allopregnanolone is formed by the 5a-reductase enzyme acting on 5α-dihydroprogesterone. Finasteride's whole mechanism of action is to inhibit this enzyme and thus reduce DHT. However, in doing so, not only is DHT reduced, but so are the formation of critical neurosteroids, including but not limited to Allopregnanolone.

This is a serious concern, as Allopregnanolone has been shown to affect Alzheimer's disease pathology, namely Amyloid-beta deposition in pre-clinical Alzheimer's disease models (2). Moreover, the level of Allopregnanolone is reduced in the brains of AD patients, this is to say, the neurosteroid plays some role in this area (2).

Alzheimer's disease is the result of (amyloid-beta) building up over decades (FACT). This subsequently leads to the development of tau tangles in the brain, which is ultimately what causes the death of neurons and AD (FACT) . So essentially, the build-up of Amyloid beta triggers tau tangles which causes Alzheimers, if you were to prevent amyloid from building up in the brain in the first place the disease pathology wouldn't be able to take place in theory. Finasteride lowers the amount of Allopregnanolone as shown in this study, and numerous others, and thus the brain will be more prone to the build up of amyloid-beta and subsequently AD decades down the line. This could all have a big cumulative effect, as I stated, the disease takes decades before symptoms show up, the changes in the brain are still occurring, it is not like one day a person just wakes up with AD, it is the culmination of many years of pathological proteins (amyloid-beta and tau) building up in the brain (FACT). Each day one takes Allopregnanolone they are impairing their bodies ability to get rid of toxic amyloid-beta from the brain. OK, maybe that is fine for a short while, but multiply this effect over many years / decades and you might have a problem, especially if you are genetically at risk. Those who carry the APOE4 allele for example showed that Allopregnanolone had an even more significant effect in reducing atrophy of the hippocampus (2), around 25% of you reading this will carry at least 1 copy of the APOE4 allele (frequency in white population - FACT), this is higher in other races.

Lastly, this doesn't even take into account the other neurosteroids that Fin suppresses, and who knows how they might further be protecting the brain but in ways we don't know about, so far we know about allo.

This is ultimately what has disuaded me from taking finasteride, but maybe this is a risk you are willing to take, life is all about managing risks.

TLDR: Allopregnanolone protects brain against amyloid-beta which causes Alzheimer's disease, Finasteride nukes allopregnanolone, and thus the brain is more likely to develop amyloid-beta and AD, especially in those at risk. Imagine impairing this neurosteroid for years of finasteride use, and thus years of suboptimal amyloid-beta clearance.

(1) https://www.researchgate.net/public...e_treatment_and_neuroactive_steroid_formation

(2) https://www.alzforum.org/therapeutics/allopregnanolone
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1) He refers to DHT as a 'worthless trash hormone' JFL


Its not debunked, actually watch the video. The graph he shows even indicates that 5ar in the brain is reduced, but he shrugs it off.

I watched the video and felt relieved, yay! I can take finasteride and not have no worry! But look into it further, he cherry picks his research and ignores the research I just referred to which shows finasteride ABSOLOUTELY DOES affect Allopregnanolone.

in this video of his: 8:55

He says "finasteride has only a weak affect on 5ar". Please explain to me how the graph he is showing is a 'weak effect'.

This is totally ridiculous, when the very graph he shows on screen shows that 5ar activity is reduces massively in the brain of finasteride users. I love how he just skips over this.

(black squares are with no finasteride, blank circles are finasteride)
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Doesn't really concern me that much hopping off fin the first chance I get, just maintaining my hair until new treatments come out.

It’s good that you researched it since this is something that you seem to be genetically prone to.

What about getting allopregnanolone exogenously? How long does it take to clear up amyloid beta?
 
Doesn't really concern me that much hopping off fin the first chance I get, just maintaining my hair until new treatments come out.

It’s good that you researched it since this is something that you seem to be genetically prone to.

What about getting allopregnanolone exogenously? How long does it take to clear up amyloid beta?

I don't know about exogenous allopregnanolone, but this is not the only neurosteroid that finasteride inhibits. For me, it is simply not worth the risk and worry that I would have while taking it.
 
Short life with healthy hair >>>>>> long life with no hair
 
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Neurotic high inhib incel bitch. There will be new treatmetns out (china miracle hairloss drug) by the time this will have a great effect on your neurosteroids
 
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I don't know about exogenous allopregnanolone, but this is not the only neurosteroid that finasteride inhibits. For me, it is simply not worth the risk and worry that I would have while taking it.
I’m only taking fin until 26, that’s enough time for the hairloss treatments I’m currently keeping track of to become commercially available.
 
Neurotic high inhib incel bitch. There will be new treatmetns out (china miracle hairloss drug) by the time this will have a great effect on your neurosteroids
This, you should use it to maintain while waiting for better treatment options. No point sitting around like a retard watching your hair fall out until it’s too far gone
 
I’m only taking fin until 26, that’s enough time for the hairloss treatments I’m currently keeping track of to become commercially available.
Which ones? I am interested in preventing hairless, but not at the cost of my sanity.
 
This, you should use it to maintain while waiting for better treatment options. No point sitting around like a retard watching your hair fall out until it’s too far gone
I am 21, my hair is fine atm.
 
Which ones? I am interested in preventing hairless, but not at the cost of my sanity.
Pyrilutamide, there’s one that has to do with inhibiting prolactin in your hair follicles, and there’s Verteprofin which inhibits scar tissue growth so it lets you regrow your donor area(infinite hair transplants)

I’m most interested in the one related to prolactin since anecdotes from the people who are testing the drugs reported an insane amount of regrowth.
 
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Neurotic high inhib incel bitch. There will be new treatmetns out (china miracle hairloss drug) by the time this will have a great effect on your neurosteroids
Those neurosteroid levels were after 4 months of use, 300 percent change in Allo in that time.

Do what you want, I am just putting the information out there.
 
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I don't know about exogenous allopregnanolone, but this is not the only neurosteroid that finasteride inhibits. For me, it is simply not worth the risk and worry that I would have while taking it.
Brexanolone is an exogenous allopregnanolone. Quite a new drug
 
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Hairloss at this stage for anyone who's below nw3 is a matter of money, knowledge and autism. I simply lack money. My hair used to be perfect but didn't do treatments for 3 months and since the NW7 blood runs deep in my veins I payed a deadly price.
 
Hairloss at this stage for anyone who's below nw3 is a matter of money, knowledge and autism. I simply lack money. My hair used to be perfect but didn't do treatments for 3 months and since the NW7 blood runs deep in my veins I payed a deadly price.
finasteride costs like 50 dollars/year

perfect hair is available even to the poorest people.
 
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This is totally ridiculous, when the very graph he shows on screen shows that 5ar activity is reduces massively in the brain of finasteride users. I love how he just skips over this.
Fake and gay news. You can't compare mice brains to the brains of humans because 5AR expression and activity is different. Also doses tested in mice were 1000x those of doses used in humans.
 
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Hair system TBH, or hair transplants.
hair transplants dont work if ur not on fin. ur hair will recess beyond ur hair transplant and ull be going back for new transplants behind ur transplanted hairline every few years untill u run out of donor hairgrafts
 
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Oh look another PFS faggot shill thread

Fake and gay news. You can't compare mice brains to the brains of humans because 5AR expression and activity is different. Also doses tested in mice were 1000x those of doses used in humans.
Did you read the fucking thread? I am not PFS because I have never even taken finasteride :ROFLMAO: Those allo results were in humans
 
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Oh look another PFS faggot shill thread

Fake and gay news. You can't compare mice brains to the brains of humans because 5AR expression and activity is different. Also doses tested in mice were 1000x those of doses used in humans.
If DHT is useless for you then you should immediately change your somatic chromosome from XY to XX
 
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Is it? 1mg of Fin per day is like 30/month
u can get 1mg fin for 30 cents/pill from 3rd world countries. taking 3 pills/week is already enough for full effect. 3pills = 90 cents/week.

alternatively u can cut-up 5mg tablets to save money
 
hair transplants dont work if ur not on fin. ur hair will recess beyond ur hair transplant and ull be going back for new transplants behind ur transplanted hairline every few years untill u run out of donor hairgrafts
I disagree: this depends on the case-by-case.

Many people never progress to Norwood 7 so that they do not need so much donor hair, that they deplete their donor.

And some people like e.g. me have dense donor, so i literally can transplant my whole head, even Norwood 7 if it ever happens (doubt it) :feelsokman:
 
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finasteride costs like 50 dollars/year

perfect hair is available even to the poorest people.
I dont believe that Finasteride can be an end-all-be-all for everybody. If you are lucky then you're set. I'm on the medium range of being lucky and needed to blast 2.5 mg avodart daily combined with other insane research of weird compounds for me to achieve the hair I wanted (extremely good quality, density, texture....).

Now I'm slowly trying to get back there. If I had money I wouldn't need to use these treatments as I plan on having children but that's not possible at the moment...
 
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If DHT is useless for you then you should immediately change your somatic chromosome from XY to XX
Men born with a 5AR deficiency indeed are psuedo-hermaphrodites during childhood. However do develop full genitalia during puberty and pre-adolescence, showcasing that Testosterone is the more important hormone in defining male sexual characteristics. This is like nuking your DHT with dutasteride during your formative years. Finasteride only inhibits 60-70% of your serum DHT, and for most men it's usually taken only after having gone through puberty and adolescence after which DHT has no significant role anymore (apart from making you go bald)
 
Hairloss at this stage for anyone who's below nw3 is a matter of money, knowledge and autism. I simply lack money. My hair used to be perfect but didn't do treatments for 3 months and since the NW7 blood runs deep in my veins I payed a deadly price.
You can get a year's worth supply of finasteride for $15
Minoxidil is more expensive, unless you take it orally too
 
Its not debunked, actually watch the video. The graph he shows even indicates that 5ar in the brain is reduced, but he shrugs it off.

I watched the video and felt relieved, yay! I can take finasteride and not have no worry! But look into it further, he cherry picks his research and ignores the research I just referred to which shows finasteride ABSOLOUTELY DOES affect Allopregnanolone.
I need hair what to do @pashtun help im on fin
 
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Pyrilutamide, there’s one that has to do with inhibiting prolactin in your hair follicles, and there’s Verteprofin which inhibits scar tissue growth so it lets you regrow your donor area(infinite hair transplants)

I’m most interested in the one related to prolactin since anecdotes from the people who are testing the drugs reported an insane amount of regrowth.
the moment pyrilutamide comes out and is easily accessible for people ill give 3 weeks until we have site like pyrilutamidehelp.com
 
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Did you read my response, Haircafe slipped up and showed a study that shows 5ar is massively reduced in human brains whilst on finasteride :ROFLMAO:
 
Men born with a 5AR deficiency indeed are psuedo-hermaphrodites during childhood. However do develop full genitalia during puberty and pre-adolescence, showcasing that Testosterone is the more important hormone in defining male sexual characteristics. This is like nuking your DHT with dutasteride during your formative years. Finasteride only inhibits 60-70% of your serum DHT, and for most men it's usually taken only after having gone through puberty and adolescence after which DHT has no significant role anymore (apart from making you go bald)
Lmao what a fin and T coper

DHT is essensial to make you think better because it will inhibit estrogen to be produced thus reducing cortisol in your system. This is why not only very important in puberty but DHT is also impoertant for your whole body. Being estrogenic will make u a literal degenerates.
 
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the moment pyrilutamide comes out and is easily accessible for people ill give 3 weeks until we have site like pyrilutamidehelp.com
Hypochondriac retards, how low iq do you have to be to fucking placebo yourself
 
I disagree: this depends on the case-by-case.

Many people never progress to Norwood 7 so that they do not need so much donor hair, that they deplete their donor.

And some people like e.g. me have dense donor, so i literally can transplant my whole head, even Norwood 7 if it ever happens (doubt it) :feelsokman:
you can go to a fullhead of hair with norwood 7 lol

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in average the norwood 1 to norwood 5 area consists in a non balding male of 50.000 hairs, that means 25.000 folicles. for illusion of hair you need at least 50%, so 12.500 folicles. average donor is 6.000.

so for a norwood 7 you would need even more and even a high density donor wont have that much. and keep in the donor will thin out with time on top of that. every norwood 7 guy had a thick donor as a teen at one point

and even with this its just an illusion of hair. the crown will almost alwqys have a thin/thinning look after ht in those case.

those are average ht results after norwood 5:

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here we have an extremely well case (dont think thats the rule, thats an exception). and imho its not really norwood 7, more like norwood 6. what you will see is that

https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/61970-dr-pittella-•-norwood-7-large-head-poor-donor-thin-hair-come-and-see-wet/

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1. his crown is still very thin and if you would look from behind and not the front at it it would be very clear
2. his hairline starts extremely high, almost midscalp
3. the density is very thin, hence the combover
4. the guy went on oral minoxidil on top of that after ht, which added to the look.
5. like i said, majority of ht at that stage will look worse, to assume this is an average result is wishful thinking. same goes for zarevs results, he rejects many patients which non coarse hair
6. his hair was completely gone, which made planning more easier. you wont get such a result if you start getting hairtransplants along with yoir balding, grafts will be wasted
7. all in all its an hair that is acceptable for an older male who is 40 and older but not for younger people
 
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you can go to a fullhead of hair with norwood 7 lol

Hamilton-Norwood-Schema-Index.jpg


in average the norwood 1 to norwood 5 area consists in a non balding male of 50.000 hairs, that means 25.000 folicles. for illusion of hair you need at least 50%, so 12.500 folicles. average donor is 6.000.

so for a norwood 7 you would need even more and even a high density donor wont have that much. and keep in the donor will thin out with time on top of that. every norwood 7 guy had a thick donor as a teen at one point

and even with this its just an illusion of hair. the crown will almost alwqys have a thin/thinning look after ht in those case.

those are average ht results after norwood 5:

hair-replacement_thumbnail_0.jpg

Before-after-crown.png

hair-growth-products-for-men_large_0.jpg


here we have an extremely well case (dont think thats the rule, thats an exception). and imho its not really norwood 7, more like norwood 6. what you will see is that

https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/61970-dr-pittella-•-norwood-7-large-head-poor-donor-thin-hair-come-and-see-wet/

5.jpg.edb950076258ce073020ce356c54d02d.jpg


1. his crown is still very thin and if you would look from behind and not the front at it it would be very clear
2. his hairline starts extremely high, almost midscalp
3. the density is very thin, hence the combover
4. the guy went on oral minoxidil on top of that after ht, which added to the look.
5. like i said, majority of ht at that stage will look worse, to assume this is an average result is wishful thinking. same goes for zarevs results, he rejects many patients which non coarse hair
6. his hair was completely gone, which made planning more easier. you wont get such a result if you start getting hairtransplants along with yoir balding, grafts will be wasted
7. all in all its an hair that is acceptable for an older male who is 40 and older but not for younger people
Hopefully vertreprofin works as intended and Is cheap. How many transplants would you need with the hair taken from an average donor area? Assuming you get atleast 80% regrowth of donor hair each time vertreprofin is used
 
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Tbh I’m gonna stack all the supplements and vitamins related to semen production and see if it offsets the fin sides.
 
Did you read my response, Haircafe slipped up and showed a study that shows 5ar is massively reduced in human brains whilst on finasteride :ROFLMAO:
we dont see elevated cases of allzheimer in güevedoces (people born with 5α-reductase deficiency)
 
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Tbh I’m gonna stack all the supplements and vitamins related to semen production and see if it offsets the fin sides.
Those supplements won't produce DHT, the so called 'trash hormone' :lul:
 
we dont see elevated cases of allzheimer in güevedoces (people born with 5α-reductase deficiency)
Has that even been studied lmao
 
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