Aajonus Vonderplanitz x Ray Peat = The Ultimate Bioenergetic Primal VRIL Stack

[Beastimmung]

Most people here are running either:

• low energy / “clean eating” / starving metabolism
• or blasting sugar with zero structure

Both are incomplete.


What you actually want is a fusion of primal biology + bioenergetics.


This is where combining Aajonus Vonderplanitz and Ray Peat becomes interesting.

---

The Core Idea​

Aajonus builds the body.
Peat powers it.


Or in simpler terms:

• Raw animal foods = structure / tissue / regeneration
• Sugar = energy / electricity / metabolism

If you only have structure → you become slow, dense, cold
If you only have energy → you become unstable, weak, catabolic


You need both.

---

The Problem With Each Camp​

Aajonus crowd:​

• raw meat, high fat, low carb
• result: grounded but often sluggish, low thyroid, cold

Peat crowd:​

• sugar, juice, low fat
• result: warm but often fragile, no density, crashes easily

Both are half-solutions.

---

The Fusion (What Actually Works)​

Raw = building material
Sugar = fuel


Think of it like:

“Meat builds you. Sugar runs you.”

If you eat raw animal foods without carbs, you will stress your system.


If you eat carbs without structure, you become soft and unstable.

---

Practical Setup​

Morning (Turn the system ON)​

• raw eggs + honey
• optional raw milk

→ immediate liver + nervous system support
→ prevents cortisol spike

---

Midday (Build + fuel)​

• raw meat (or lightly seared if preferred)
• some fat (butter / milk fat)
• fruit / juice / honey

→ this is key:
never eat meat alone

---

Evening (Recovery mode)​

• raw milk / eggs
• some fat
• a bit of sugar (honey / fruit)

→ deep sleep
→ parasympathetic activation
→ tissue repair

---

The Real Rules (Most Important Part)​

1. Always combine raw + sugar​

Never separate them.


Raw alone = heavy, stressful
Sugar alone = unstable, catabolic

---

2. No stress metabolism​

If you feel:

• cold
• shaky
• anxious
• wired but tired

You are NOT “detoxing”.


You are running on stress hormones.


→ fix = more sugar + salt

---

3. Fat is a tool, not the base​

Too much fat = slows metabolism
Too little = no stability


Balance it.

---

4. CO₂ is underrated​

Yes, seriously.


Slow breathing, warmth, enough sugar →


→ higher CO₂
→ calmer nervous system
→ better recovery

---

The Esoteric Layer (for those who get it)​

• Raw food = Earth (structure)
• Sugar = Sun (energy)
• CO₂ = Atmosphere (stability)
• Thyroid = Fire (metabolism)

Health = when all 4 are aligned.

---

Where People Mess Up​

• going zero carb with raw → crash
• going high sugar without protein → softness + instability
• overeating fat → stagnation
• undereating → everything collapses

---

Final Formula​

Eat raw for structure.
Eat sugar for energy.
Avoid stress metabolism at all costs.

 

[Duckmaxxer]

Great thread ! I was really looking for people who combine both.
What do you think of coffee on this ? Ray peat recommends it but Aajonus thinks its toxic

 

[Nectar]

Oxygen is for Chad
Carbon Dioxide is for incels

 

[Ruinedbyfaceshape]

DNR gpt thread

 

[Beastimmung]

Great thread ! I was really looking for people who combine both.
What do you think of coffee on this ? Ray peat recommends it but Aajonus thinks its toxic

Peat sees coffee as beneficial if your metabolism is solid (especially with sugar + milk). Aajonus rejects it because most people use it to push through low energy.
So the middle ground is simple:

- If coffee makes you feel good, warm, stable → keep it
- If it makes you jittery, cold, anxious, or crash → drop it

Also key: don’t drink it black/fasted. Have it with food, sugar, or milk.
So yeah, it’s not “good vs bad”, it’s more like a stress test for your metabolism.

 

[yyk117]

sounds awfully like ai, aajonus doesn't hate on fruits or carbs, he literally loved carbs. he advocated raw milk, raw honey, daily druits, and even vegetable juice.

 

[Beastimmung]

sounds awfully like ai, aajonus doesn't hate on fruits or carbs, he literally loved carbs. he advocated raw milk, raw honey, daily druits, and even vegetable juice.

Fair point
Aajonus didn’t hate carbs at. He just didn’t push high refined sugar or rely on carbs as the main driver like Peat people sometimes do.

He also often recommended less ripe / not overly sweet fruits, because he saw them as easier on digestion and less “overstimulating” compared to very sugary fruit.

The real difference isn’t “carbs vs no carbs”, it’s more:

- Aajonus → carbs as part of a raw, instinctive diet (often less ripe, less sugar-heavy)
- Peat → carbs as a metabolic tool to drive energy (ripe fruit, juice, sugar)

So the overlap is actually bigger than people think.
Where they really diverge is cooked vs raw and stimulation (coffee, etc.)

 

[yyk117]

Fair point
Aajonus didn’t hate carbs at. He just didn’t push high refined sugar or rely on carbs as the main driver like Peat people sometimes do.

He also often recommended less ripe / not overly sweet fruits, because he saw them as easier on digestion and less “overstimulating” compared to very sugary fruit.

The real difference isn’t “carbs vs no carbs”, it’s more:

- Aajonus → carbs as part of a raw, instinctive diet (often less ripe, less sugar-heavy)
- Peat → carbs as a metabolic tool to drive energy (ripe fruit, juice, sugar)

So the overlap is actually bigger than people think.
Where they really diverge is cooked vs raw and stimulation (coffee, etc.)

yes aajonus advocated unripe fruit, one of his recipes is unripe pineapple with raw honey and unsalted raw cheese. anyways our bodies depend on animal fats for primary source of energy. carbs are secondary source quick energy this has been proved by science anyone who disagrees should go learn 8th grade biology

 

[yyk117]

also please stop using ai to write these

 

[Beastimmung]

yes aajonus advocated unripe fruit, one of his recipes is unripe pineapple with raw honey and unsalted raw cheese. anyways our bodies depend on animal fats for primary source of energy. carbs are secondary source quick energy this has been proved by science anyone who disagrees should go learn 8th grade biology

Nah, the body can run on both fat or carbs. But brain and red blood cells prefer glucose. Also arguing with school knowledge just lol

 

[Beastimmung]

also please stop using ai to write these

Not using technology = low VRIL

 

[yyk117]

Nah, the body can run on both fat or carbs. But brain and red blood cells prefer glucose. Also arguing with school knowledge just lol

its basic knowledge, body mainly runs on raw animal fats glucose is only a quick energy source

 

[Beastimmung]

its basic knowledge, body mainly runs on raw animal fats glucose is only a quick energy source

When you rest then yes the body relies on fat oxidation.

But when you are stressed/active you need to rely on glucose.

Also

 

[yyk117]

When you rest then yes the body relies on fat oxidation.

But when you are stressed/active you need to rely on glucose.

Also
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firstly we aren't really supposed to be stressed (no goatis bullshit), and yes ur right on the rbc but thats a minority and that is why aajonus advocated fruits but limited to 1 per day as it isn't needed by the entire body like you stated

 

[lnceIs]

On the basis of what are you making these claims? Personal experience? Or is it just a theory?

 

[Beastimmung]

firstly we aren't really supposed to be stressed

Supposed to? Who is going to let himself be constrained by what is supposed to be? (I suppose you mean lethargic african tribes ).

Yeah, in a perfect, low-stress, pastoral setting you could probably get away with mostly fat + minimal carbs.
low stimulation, low demand, steady state.

But you want to train harder, think faster, look sharper and achieve more.

So yes relying on fat can sustain you but hermitmaxxing is not what this thread was about.

 

[yyk117]

Supposed to? Who is going to let himself be constrained by what is supposed to be? (I suppose you mean lethargic african tribes ).

Yeah, in a perfect, low-stress, pastoral setting you could probably get away with mostly fat + minimal carbs.
low stimulation, low demand, steady state.

But you want to train harder, think faster, look sharper and achieve more.

So yes relying on fat can sustain you but hermitmaxxing is not what this thread was about.

seems like we have different ideal lifestyles which obviously requires different diets

 

[Beastimmung]

On the basis of what are you making these claims? Personal experience? Or is it just a theory?

In Winter I lean more in the Aajonus approach while in summer Im more peaty.

 

[VrillFatNoob24]

Most people here are running either:

• low energy / “clean eating” / starving metabolism
• or blasting sugar with zero structure

Both are incomplete.


What you actually want is a fusion of primal biology + bioenergetics.


This is where combining Aajonus Vonderplanitz and Ray Peat becomes interesting.

---

The Core Idea​

Aajonus builds the body.
Peat powers it.


Or in simpler terms:

• Raw animal foods = structure / tissue / regeneration
• Sugar = energy / electricity / metabolism

If you only have structure → you become slow, dense, cold
If you only have energy → you become unstable, weak, catabolic


You need both.

---

The Problem With Each Camp​

Aajonus crowd:​

• raw meat, high fat, low carb
• result: grounded but often sluggish, low thyroid, cold

Peat crowd:​

• sugar, juice, low fat
• result: warm but often fragile, no density, crashes easily

Both are half-solutions.

---

The Fusion (What Actually Works)​

Raw = building material
Sugar = fuel


Think of it like:




If you eat raw animal foods without carbs, you will stress your system.


If you eat carbs without structure, you become soft and unstable.

---

Practical Setup​

Morning (Turn the system ON)​

• raw eggs + honey
• optional raw milk

→ immediate liver + nervous system support
→ prevents cortisol spike

---

Midday (Build + fuel)​

• raw meat (or lightly seared if preferred)
• some fat (butter / milk fat)
• fruit / juice / honey

→ this is key:
never eat meat alone

---

Evening (Recovery mode)​

• raw milk / eggs
• some fat
• a bit of sugar (honey / fruit)

→ deep sleep
→ parasympathetic activation
→ tissue repair

---

The Real Rules (Most Important Part)​

1. Always combine raw + sugar​

Never separate them.


Raw alone = heavy, stressful
Sugar alone = unstable, catabolic

---

2. No stress metabolism​

If you feel:

• cold
• shaky
• anxious
• wired but tired

You are NOT “detoxing”.


You are running on stress hormones.


→ fix = more sugar + salt

---

3. Fat is a tool, not the base​

Too much fat = slows metabolism
Too little = no stability


Balance it.

---

4. CO₂ is underrated​

Yes, seriously.


Slow breathing, warmth, enough sugar →


→ higher CO₂
→ calmer nervous system
→ better recovery

---

The Esoteric Layer (for those who get it)​

• Raw food = Earth (structure)
• Sugar = Sun (energy)
• CO₂ = Atmosphere (stability)
• Thyroid = Fire (metabolism)

Health = when all 4 are aligned.

---

Where People Mess Up​

• going zero carb with raw → crash
• going high sugar without protein → softness + instability
• overeating fat → stagnation
• undereating → everything collapses

---

Final Formula​

do you suggest eating raw Carbon dioxide?

 

[SBHBmozuchi]

Most people here are running either:

• low energy / “clean eating” / starving metabolism
• or blasting sugar with zero structure

Both are incomplete.


What you actually want is a fusion of primal biology + bioenergetics.


This is where combining Aajonus Vonderplanitz and Ray Peat becomes interesting.

---

The Core Idea​

Aajonus builds the body.
Peat powers it.


Or in simpler terms:

• Raw animal foods = structure / tissue / regeneration
• Sugar = energy / electricity / metabolism

If you only have structure → you become slow, dense, cold
If you only have energy → you become unstable, weak, catabolic


You need both.

---

The Problem With Each Camp​

Aajonus crowd:​

• raw meat, high fat, low carb
• result: grounded but often sluggish, low thyroid, cold

Peat crowd:​

• sugar, juice, low fat
• result: warm but often fragile, no density, crashes easily

Both are half-solutions.

---

The Fusion (What Actually Works)​

Raw = building material
Sugar = fuel


Think of it like:




If you eat raw animal foods without carbs, you will stress your system.


If you eat carbs without structure, you become soft and unstable.

---

Practical Setup​

Morning (Turn the system ON)​

• raw eggs + honey
• optional raw milk

→ immediate liver + nervous system support
→ prevents cortisol spike

---

Midday (Build + fuel)​

• raw meat (or lightly seared if preferred)
• some fat (butter / milk fat)
• fruit / juice / honey

→ this is key:
never eat meat alone

---

Evening (Recovery mode)​

• raw milk / eggs
• some fat
• a bit of sugar (honey / fruit)

→ deep sleep
→ parasympathetic activation
→ tissue repair

---

The Real Rules (Most Important Part)​

1. Always combine raw + sugar​

Never separate them.


Raw alone = heavy, stressful
Sugar alone = unstable, catabolic

---

2. No stress metabolism​

If you feel:

• cold
• shaky
• anxious
• wired but tired

You are NOT “detoxing”.


You are running on stress hormones.


→ fix = more sugar + salt

---

3. Fat is a tool, not the base​

Too much fat = slows metabolism
Too little = no stability


Balance it.

---

4. CO₂ is underrated​

Yes, seriously.


Slow breathing, warmth, enough sugar →


→ higher CO₂
→ calmer nervous system
→ better recovery

---

The Esoteric Layer (for those who get it)​

• Raw food = Earth (structure)
• Sugar = Sun (energy)
• CO₂ = Atmosphere (stability)
• Thyroid = Fire (metabolism)

Health = when all 4 are aligned.

---

Where People Mess Up​

• going zero carb with raw → crash
• going high sugar without protein → softness + instability
• overeating fat → stagnation
• undereating → everything collapses

---

Final Formula​

Aajonus heavily promoted consuming raw unheated honey and some carb intake in your system tho

 

[6foot3copecel]

Great thread ! I was really looking for people who combine both.
What do you think of coffee on this ? Ray peat recommends it but Aajonus thinks its toxic

Why not use the Frost method by js swallowing caffeine pills?

 

[Duckmaxxer]

Why not use the Frost method by js swallowing caffeine pills?

The @fr0st ?

 

[6foot3copecel]

The @fr0st ?

Frost as in NctIQ