Abortion is unethical and should not be allowed BY ANY circustances

[areayes]

I will strangle you with my own hands

Yeah nigga, cus u lost the debate

 

[taai]

Lemme break your argument in half.

If so people in anesthesia/coma are less humans because they dont have consciousness.


Absolutly no, now stfu

No it's a completely different thing because they have a condition

 

[taai]

Yeah nigga, cus u lost the debate

You pasted it into chatpgt

 

[areayes]

Paste that into chat gpt niggero

had to show ur low iq 4 neurones something obvious, thats why i used chat fot

 

[taai]

Ye

had to show ur low iq 4 neurones something obvious, thats why i used chat fot

Yes

 

[areayes]

You just agreed with me and yapped about it being essential to society working so ig the only thing left which you didn't answer is wtf it's all based on. WHY is everyone just magically worth something and the same and WHY do we "have" rights?

No, but it's also not correct, it just is because there is no correct or incorrect

nigga, alright.

Yeah bro, raping and murdering is completly correct!

We should start all killing eachother since ethics actually dont exist and theres not such a correct and its all on our minds!!

 

[Baldingman1998]

"Ethical" is subjective.
Abortion is killing another human and anyone who denies that is a goy slave npc sheeple who listens to the government.

In my opinion you should be able to kill your own offspring. If they have some genetic defect or whatever. So killing your own kids is a right in my eyes. ofc not when they are grown.

But I'm also against abortion being accepted by society and practiced on a large scale because it's the depopulation agenda of the Jews to destroy western countries etc.

So I guess it depends. Nothing is white and black everything is gray.

 

[areayes]

"Ethical" is subjective.
Abortion is killing another human and anyone who denies that is a goy slave npc sheeple who listens to the government.

In my opinion you should be able to kill your own offspring. If they have some genetic defect or whatever. So killing your own kids is a right in my eyes. ofc not when they are grown.

But I'm also against abortion being accepted by society and practiced on a large scale because it's the depopulation agenda of the Jews to destroy western countries etc.

So I guess it depends. Nothing is white and black everything is gray.

Here we go again, i argued with a guy that thinks the same as you.

Ofc i won but lets do it again.


1- in this case abortion is ethically wrong at any reason.


2- even if your child has a defect it stills unnethical to kill him, because every human deserves human rights no metter what stage of development, no metter if he got illness etc...

/ You cant decide someone most important thing (life) / if he gonna live or not because this is extremally egoist and ethically wrong.


3- your contradicting yourself,

I make you a question, what makes a unborn human being okay to kill but a born human not okay to kill?

Both are homicides and both are ethically wrong + like i said you cant decide someones life, because this is anti ethical and wrong.

Your also not a object, only because your parents made you they dont have the right to take it alway from you.

 

[Baldingman1998]

Here we go again, i argued with a guy that thinks the same as you.

Ofc i won but lets do it again.


1- in this case abortion is ethically wrong at any reason.


2- even if your child has a defect it stills unnethical to kill him, because every human deserves human rights no metter what stage of development, no metter if he got illness etc...

/ You cant decide someone most important thing (life) / if he gonna live or not because this is extremally egoist and ethically wrong.


3- your contradicting yourself,

I make you a question, what makes a unborn human being okay to kill but a born human not okay to kill?

Both are homicides and both are ethically wrong + like i said you cant decide someones life, because this is anti ethical and wrong.

Your also not a object, only because your parents made you they dont have the right to take it alway from you.

"even if your child has a defect it stills unnethical to kill him, because every human deserves human rights no metter what stage of development, no metter if he got illness etc..."

That's your subjective opinion buddy. It's not how the world actually works. In reality whoever has power does whatever the fuck they want.

One perfect example is Israel killing tens of thousands. No one can stop them because they own USA and Europe.

The only undeniable truth is MIGHT IS RIGHT. I'm not saying it's fair or that I agree with it I'm telling you how the world works.


"You cant decide someone most important thing (life) / if he gonna live or not because this is extremally egoist and ethically wrong."

Again your opinion.

Actually you can. If you are strong enough to enforce your beliefs on others and make them submit that's literally what happened through all human history.




"your contradicting yourself,



I make you a question, what makes a unborn human being okay to kill but a born human not okay to kill?



Both are homicides and both are ethically wrong + like i said you cant decide someones life, because this is anti ethical and wrong.



Your also not a object, only because your parents made you they dont have the right to take it alway from you."

Again your opinion. Why is it unethical to kill? Maybe you're killing is justified? Everything is subjective. There is no objective morality.

In my opinion for example the ZOG government shouldn't be able to tell you or me how to raise your kids or live life.

 

[try2beme]

Even if the woman’s at risk why does it have to be “me vs the baby”

Wouldn’t any humane person immediately think to save both?

 

[areayes]

"even if your child has a defect it stills unnethical to kill him, because every human deserves human rights no metter what stage of development, no metter if he got illness etc..."

That's your subjective opinion buddy. It's not how the world actually works. In reality whoever has power does whatever the fuck they want.

One perfect example is Israel killing tens of thousands. No one can stop them because they own USA and Europe.

The only undeniable truth is MIGHT IS RIGHT. I'm not saying it's fair or that I agree with it I'm telling you how the world works.


"You cant decide someone most important thing (life) / if he gonna live or not because this is extremally egoist and ethically wrong."

Again your opinion.

Actually you can. If you are strong enough to enforce your beliefs on others and make them submit that's literally what happened through all human history.




"your contradicting yourself,



I make you a question, what makes a unborn human being okay to kill but a born human not okay to kill?



Both are homicides and both are ethically wrong + like i said you cant decide someones life, because this is anti ethical and wrong.



Your also not a object, only because your parents made you they dont have the right to take it alway from you."

Again your opinion. Why is it unethical to kill? Maybe you're killing is justified? Everything is subjective. There is no objective morality.

In my opinion for example the ZOG government shouldn't be able to tell you or me how to raise your kids or live life.

your completly wrong


just because someone has the power to do something does not make it morally right.


history is full of powerful people and governments committing atrocities


yet their strength never made those acts justifiable


Morality and ethics exist to protect the innocent, the vulnerable and those who cannot defend themselves, they are principles that hold even when the strong try to impose their will,


+life , dignity, and human rights are not determined by who is strongest lol, they are objective realities that must guide how we treat one another, regardless of force or influence

Power can enforce actions, but it cannot create justice or erase the wrongness of killing oppression, or harm


Claiming that its just my opinion doesnt make it subjective lol. Some things, like killing an innocent bein re objectively wrong, regardless of personal belief, its not a fucking opinion nigga, its a fact.


Just because you call something an opinion doesnt change reality, Life has intrinsic value, and harming the innocent is a factual moral wrong not a matter of taste




your confuses the reality of power (who can enforce their will) with morality (what is right or wrong) And this is incorrect

Btw thanks for proving my point, now we can both agree its ethically wrong to kill a fucking baby and people should be charged for it

 

[manhattanbound]

Exept if the women life is at risk/she has to pick who will live.

im guessing that also includes rape, and prostitution?

 

[areayes]

im guessing that also includes rape, and prostitution?

No,

The baby inside the mother's womb is the same.

Both has the same worthy, and deserves the same human rights.

The baby inside the womb should not be punished for the rapist

The baby inside the mothers womb that got raped and the mother that was planned is the same

 

[areayes]

Bump

 

[Baldingman1998]

your completly wrong


just because someone has the power to do something does not make it morally right.


history is full of powerful people and governments committing atrocities


yet their strength never made those acts justifiable


Morality and ethics exist to protect the innocent, the vulnerable and those who cannot defend themselves, they are principles that hold even when the strong try to impose their will,


+life , dignity, and human rights are not determined by who is strongest lol, they are objective realities that must guide how we treat one another, regardless of force or influence

Power can enforce actions, but it cannot create justice or erase the wrongness of killing oppression, or harm


Claiming that its just my opinion doesnt make it subjective lol. Some things, like killing an innocent bein re objectively wrong, regardless of personal belief, its not a fucking opinion nigga, its a fact.


Just because you call something an opinion doesnt change reality, Life has intrinsic value, and harming the innocent is a factual moral wrong not a matter of taste




your confuses the reality of power (who can enforce their will) with morality (what is right or wrong) And this is incorrect

Btw thanks for proving my point, now we can both agree its ethically wrong to kill a fucking baby and people should be charged for it

This entire thing makes no sense bro.

If someone comes over and kills you. Where are your Rights now? Your Rights only exist when other men with power believe in your Rights. So your Rights are reliant on other men's beliefs.

Now explain to me how human rights are objective if it is reliant on subjective human belief.

Go ahead

 

[taai]

You got mogged bro just give up @areayes

 

[areayes]

This entire thing makes no sense bro.

If someone comes over and kills you. Where are your Rights now? Your Rights only exist when other men with power believe in your Rights. So your Rights are reliant on other men's beliefs.

Now explain to me how human rights are objective if it is reliant on subjective human belief.

Go ahead

Nigga, WHAT ? Youre confusing power with morality and violation with nonexistence


Rights dont disappear when someone is killed, they are violated. Laws dont vanish when crimes happen, and morality doesnt depend on who is strongest. If power defined what is right slavery, genocide and murder would never be wrong.



The fact that we can condem them proves moral standards exist independently of powr lol,

Your position collapses because it destroys the very ideas of crime, justice, and responsibility


If someone rapes, tortures, or murders a child and gets away with it then nothing immoral happened because no one with power stopped it

Under your logic genocide is not evil slavery was never wrong and murder is only bad when someone stronger disapproves

That doesnt describe morality, it describes a world where ethics dont exist at all only violence


Your logic is absolutly wrong boyo, I guess ill just start raping anyone and killing evb under your logic.

If morality is nothing more than power then words like wrong, crime,jstice and human rights are meaningless sounds.

 

[areayes]

This entire thing makes no sense bro.

If someone comes over and kills you. Where are your Rights now? Your Rights only exist when other men with power believe in your Rights. So your Rights are reliant on other men's beliefs.

Now explain to me how human rights are objective if it is reliant on subjective human belief.

Go ahead

Your absolutly weong nigga, you can ask any philosopher, anyone and they will say your logic is terrible

 

[Baldingman1998]

Nigga, WHAT ? Youre confusing power with morality and violation with nonexistence


Rights dont disappear when someone is killed, they are violated. Laws dont vanish when crimes happen, and morality doesnt depend on who is strongest. If power defined what is right slavery, genocide and murder would never be wrong.



The fact that we can condem them proves moral standards exist independently of powr lol,

Your position collapses because it destroys the very ideas of crime, justice, and responsibility


If someone rapes, tortures, or murders a child and gets away with it then nothing immoral happened because no one with power stopped it

Under your logic genocide is not evil slavery was never wrong and murder is only bad when someone stronger disapproves

That doesnt describe morality, it describes a world where ethics dont exist at all only violence


Your logic is absolutly wrong boyo, I guess ill just start raping anyone and killing evb under your logic.

If morality is nothing more than power then words like wrong, crime,jstice and human rights are meaningless sounds.

Raping a child is bad in my mind because I have empathy and Don't like harming humans. But that's my subjective view.

If someone likes torturing others and raping kids then that person might not do it out of fear of punishment and laws.

All of these points don't matter. What matters is that morals are subjective.

Stealing might be good for me if I need to survive for example if I have no food etc. but its bad to the person who is being robbed etc.

Ethics only exist because of religions and genetic predispositions. So because they are man made and sometimes inherited they are not objective.






"If morality is nothing more than power then words like wrong, crime,jstice and human rights are meaningless sounds"



Yes exactly. It's not what I believe is right but it's how it is. All your points are opinions. Your "morals" and "ethics" don't matter unless you can enforce them

Let's look at Israel again. Killed tens of thousands of kids men and women and still they are the good guys in all media organizations in USA and Europe. Why? Because they have the most power and influence. Even when they commit the most "immoral" and "evil" acts no one punishes them.

Because you cannot punish someone stronger than you. Your laws and ethics apply to goyim slaves only. To keep the sheeple in line. Meanwhile they rape and drink the blood of kids and no one bats an eye. And everyone who tries to stop them commits suicide.


At the end of the day what we think is moral doesn't matter. If someone who is killing you doesn't believe in morality then it doesn't exist. It's just a man made idea. Nothing more

 

[areayes]

Raping a child is bad in my mind because I have empathy and Don't like harming humans. But that's my subjective view.

If someone likes torturing others and raping kids then that person might not do it out of fear of punishment and laws.

All of these points don't matter. What matters is that morals are subjective.

Stealing might be good for me if I need to survive for example if I have no food etc. but its bad to the person who is being robbed etc.

Ethics only exist because of religions and genetic predispositions. So because they are man made and sometimes inherited they are not objective.






"If morality is nothing more than power then words like wrong, crime,jstice and human rights are meaningless sounds"



Yes exactly. It's not what I believe is right but it's how it is. All your points are opinions. Your "morals" and "ethics" don't matter unless you can enforce them

Let's look at Israel again. Killed tens of thousands of kids men and women and still they are the good guys in all media organizations in USA and Europe. Why? Because they have the most power and influence. Even when they commit the most "immoral" and "evil" acts no one punishes them.

Because you cannot punish someone stronger than you. Your laws and ethics apply to goyim slaves only. To keep the sheeple in line. Meanwhile they rape and drink the blood of kids and no one bats an eye. And everyone who tries to stop them commits suicide.


At the end of the day what we think is moral doesn't matter. If someone who is killing you doesn't believe in morality then it doesn't exist. It's just a man made idea. Nothing more

Lol, okay
If your view were correct, morality would not exist at all only force.

But the moment you live in a society you are no longer just a biological animal acting on instinct you are a moral agent, moral agents are beings capable of understanding harm, responsibility, and consequences and ethics exist precisely because humans live together and their actions affect others

If morality were purely subjective then society itself would be impossible, trust cooperation responsibility justice and accountability would collapse

here would be no reason not to kill, steal, rape, or enslave others beyond fear and fear is not morality it is coercion

A society without objective ethics is not a society it is a battlefield where only the strongest survive In such a world concepts like crime injustice guilt or human rights are meaningless sounds because nothing is truly wrong only inconvenient for those without power

Yet you yourself act as if moral standards exist you condemn atrocities, you appeal to injustice and you criticize power abd that is only possible if there are standards above power

the moment you call something evil or injsut you admit that morality does not depend on who is strongest

Power explains what happens and norality Confusing the two destroys ethics entirely

Btw please stop bringing up politics in a debate about abortion.

 

[Baldingman1998]

Lol, okay
If your view were correct, morality would not exist at all only force.

But the moment you live in a society you are no longer just a biological animal acting on instinct you are a moral agent, moral agents are beings capable of understanding harm, responsibility, and consequences and ethics exist precisely because humans live together and their actions affect others

If morality were purely subjective then society itself would be impossible, trust cooperation responsibility justice and accountability would collapse

here would be no reason not to kill, steal, rape, or enslave others beyond fear and fear is not morality it is coercion

A society without objective ethics is not a society it is a battlefield where only the strongest survive In such a world concepts like crime injustice guilt or human rights are meaningless sounds because nothing is truly wrong only inconvenient for those without power

Yet you yourself act as if moral standards exist you condemn atrocities, you appeal to injustice and you criticize power abd that is only possible if there are standards above power

the moment you call something evil or injsut you admit that morality does not depend on who is strongest

Power explains what happens and norality Confusing the two destroys ethics entirely

Btw please stop bringing up politics in a debate about abortion.

What politics ? You talk about morality yet you support bombing children? Ok buddy. You are the biggest proof of what I'm saying. You support Israel because it's what you are told. Because they are the most powerful and this they control the narrative.