about thumbpulling and haters

[mtn_dude_193]

i think a lot of people are underestimating thumbpulling if marpe actually can expand 7 - 8 mms in 30 days thumbpulling can do the same in lets say 200 days. now people will say not enough force blah blah your thumbs actually generate more force than the marpe so yeah, also people that say it doesnt do it 24/7 marpe also doesnt do it all the time after you switch the crank it actually only applies force for like 5 minutes and it gradually lessens afterwards it actually holds the shape thats the best attribute of marpe. while thumbpulling cant be continous and hold the shape you can stack little amount of expansion over like 200 days and get the same amount of expansion. now niggas are gonna say why not just work a job and get a marpe much easier. marpe only expands laterally so you arent getting any forward growth or rotation not even with facemask ( that can be a whole another thread on its own) you are even getting downward growth since nothing is holding the maxilla a lot of people get nose humps after it. while with thumbpulling since you are simulating natural development ( i mean pushing on the palate just like you should have done with your tongue while you were a child) can actually give you real forward growth. jordan wood is the best example of this whit what he did after 19 you can check his results. also i agree that if your sutures are very fused this will not work at all but its not the case for most people even at age 30

 

[Niebvll]

Retard

 

[Diddihippi09]

i think a lot of people are underestimating thumbpulling if marpe actually can expand 7 - 8 mms in 30 days thumbpulling can do the same in lets say 200 days. now people will say not enough force blah blah your thumbs actually generate more force than the marpe so yeah, also people that say it doesnt do it 24/7 marpe also doesnt do it all the time after you switch the crank it actually only applies force for like 5 minutes and it gradually lessens afterwards it actually holds the shape thats the best attribute of marpe. while thumbpulling cant be continous and hold the shape you can stack little amount of expansion over like 200 days and get the same amount of expansion. now niggas are gonna say why not just work a job and get a marpe much easier. marpe only expands laterally so you arent getting any forward growth or rotation not even with facemask ( that can be a whole another thread on its own) you are even getting downward growth since nothing is holding the maxilla a lot of people get nose humps after it. while with thumbpulling since you are simulating natural development ( i mean pushing on the palate just like you should have done with your tongue while you were a child) can actually give you real forward growth. jordan wood is the best example of this whit what he did after 19 you can check his results. also i agree that if your sutures are very fused this will not work at all but its not the case for most people even at age 30

Dnr
Thumpulling will never work if you dont do a high force minimum of 3 hours a day

 

[mtn_dude_193]

Retard

explain

 

[mtn_dude_193]

Dnr
Thumpulling will never work if you dont do a high force minimum of 3 hours a day

explain

 

[mtn_dude_193]

see nobody can explain shit and just say retard because its cool to hate ig

 

[mtn_dude_193]

bump

 

[Noriju]

i think a lot of people are underestimating thumbpulling if marpe actually can expand 7 - 8 mms in 30 days thumbpulling can do the same in lets say 200 days. now people will say not enough force blah blah your thumbs actually generate more force than the marpe so yeah, also people that say it doesnt do it 24/7 marpe also doesnt do it all the time after you switch the crank it actually only applies force for like 5 minutes and it gradually lessens afterwards it actually holds the shape thats the best attribute of marpe. while thumbpulling cant be continous and hold the shape you can stack little amount of expansion over like 200 days and get the same amount of expansion. now niggas are gonna say why not just work a job and get a marpe much easier. marpe only expands laterally so you arent getting any forward growth or rotation not even with facemask ( that can be a whole another thread on its own) you are even getting downward growth since nothing is holding the maxilla a lot of people get nose humps after it. while with thumbpulling since you are simulating natural development ( i mean pushing on the palate just like you should have done with your tongue while you were a child) can actually give you real forward growth. jordan wood is the best example of this whit what he did after 19 you can check his results. also i agree that if your sutures are very fused this will not work at all but its not the case for most people even at age 30

Super duper ultra DNR

 

[Shirobon]

i think a lot of people are underestimating thumbpulling if marpe actually can expand 7 - 8 mms in 30 days thumbpulling can do the same in lets say 200 days. now people will say not enough force blah blah your thumbs actually generate more force than the marpe so yeah, also people that say it doesnt do it 24/7 marpe also doesnt do it all the time after you switch the crank it actually only applies force for like 5 minutes and it gradually lessens afterwards it actually holds the shape thats the best attribute of marpe. while thumbpulling cant be continous and hold the shape you can stack little amount of expansion over like 200 days and get the same amount of expansion. now niggas are gonna say why not just work a job and get a marpe much easier. marpe only expands laterally so you arent getting any forward growth or rotation not even with facemask ( that can be a whole another thread on its own) you are even getting downward growth since nothing is holding the maxilla a lot of people get nose humps after it. while with thumbpulling since you are simulating natural development ( i mean pushing on the palate just like you should have done with your tongue while you were a child) can actually give you real forward growth. jordan wood is the best example of this whit what he did after 19 you can check his results. also i agree that if your sutures are very fused this will not work at all but its not the case for most people even at age 30

 

[Niebvll]

explain

No continuity of force and resistence, no direct force application on the suture, and by your own logic if thumbs are enough to generate the effects of marpe, they should also be enough to replicate the effects of reverse headgear which can give projection of around 2-3mm but you crossed that out because you know the pressure wont ever have such effects

 

[mtn_dude_193]

No continuity of force and resistence, no direct force application on the suture, and by your own logic if thumbs are enough to generate the effects of marpe, they should also be enough to replicate the effects of reverse headgear which can give projection of around 2-3mm but you crossed that out because you know the pressure wont ever have such effects

marpe doesnt have continous force as i said,also wdym no direct force application on the suture you are pulling on it bro yeah maye some goes to different areas but still. i didnt said it wouldnt give projection i said it would lmao since you are replicating natural development

 

[Niebvll]

marpe doesnt have continous force as i said

No continuity of force and resistence

also wdym no direct force application on the suture you are pulling on it bro

No youre not
Youre applying pressure to the whole maxilla
Ever tried breaking an egg in your palm? Just because thumbs in theory can generate more force doesnt mean they can replicate these results, unlike marpe theyre not screwed directly into the target area
all you will do is tip your teeth outwards lmfao

yeah maye some goes to different areas but still

the absolute majority of force does

i didnt said it wouldnt give projection i said it would lmao since you are replicating natural development

Yeah dnrd your bs only skimmed it

marpe only expands laterally so you arent getting any forward growth or rotation not even with facemask

Make the thread on this because its absolute bs
headgear gives projection

while with thumbpulling since you are simulating natural development ( i mean pushing on the palate just like you should have done with your tongue while you were a child) can actually give you real forward growth

Yeah simulating natural development when >98% of it is already finished JFL
youre talking about maxillofacial projection of teens not 6 year olds

 

[Shirobon]

marpe doesnt have continous force as i said,also wdym no direct force application on the suture you are pulling on it bro yeah maye some goes to different areas but still. i didnt said it wouldnt give projection i said it would lmao since you are replicating natural development

i have to break your neck

 

[mtn_dude_193]

i have to break your neck

its just the way it is

 

[mtn_dude_193]

No youre not
Youre applying pressure to the whole maxilla
Ever tried breaking an egg in your palm? Just because thumbs in theory can generate more force doesnt mean they can replicate these results, unlike marpe theyre not screwed directly into the target area
all you will do is tip your teeth outwards lmfao

the absolute majority of force does


Yeah dnrd your bs only skimmed it

Make the thread on this because its absolute bs
headgear gives projection

Yeah simulating natural development when >98% of it is already finished JFL
youre talking about maxillofacial projection of teens not 6 year olds

ill respond in a minute

 

[Niebvll]

ill respond in a minute

dont even bother I wont read it
this is such a stupid theory
In the end theres no numbers on how the pressure gets diverted so its up to indefinite debate
Not gonna do that

 

[mtn_dude_193]

dont even bother I wont read it
this is such a stupid theory
In the end theres no numbers on how the pressure gets diverted so its up to indefinite debate
Not gonna do that

how do you actually know how the pressure gets diverted you dont have any evidence plus this basically proves it works if you can get the pressure in the right place. since suture is mobile it has no where to go besides the suture , it can go a bit to the gums i agree but thats just a skill issue

 

[Niebvll]

how do you actually know how the pressure gets diverted you dont have any evidence

Do you have any basic understanding of physics?

plus this basically proves it works if you can get the pressure in the right place.

Yeah it does
And getting the pressure in the right place can be done through methods like marpe
your thumbs can never tunnel the pressure like this

since suture is mobile it has no where to go besides the suture

it can go a bit to the gums i agree but thats just a skill issue

Your premise is that the pressure will force movement, but the resistence you get from applying the pressure can be enough to cancel it out
the bone doesnt have to move when it can divert the pressure along its exterior, just like again, the egg doesnt get moved into yourhand when you press your palm around it

 

[Mxrii0.]

DNR a bit
tard

 

[mtn_dude_193]

Do you have any basic understanding of physics?


Yeah it does
And getting the pressure in the right place can be done through methods like marpe
your thumbs can never tunnel the pressure like this



Your premise is that the pressure will force movement, but the resistence you get from applying the pressure can be enough to cancel it out
the bone doesnt have to move when it can divert the pressure along its exterior, just like again, the egg doesnt get moved into yourhand when you press your palm around it

dude the pressure has no where to go where do you think it will go thats basic physics for you

 

[xkraltr325]

Forward growth might be possible but getting your maxilla wide is just bullshit

 

[mtn_dude_193]

Do you have any basic understanding of physics?


Yeah it does
And getting the pressure in the right place can be done through methods like marpe
your thumbs can never tunnel the pressure like this



Your premise is that the pressure will force movement, but the resistence you get from applying the pressure can be enough to cancel it out
the bone doesnt have to move when it can divert the pressure along its exterior, just like again, the egg doesnt get moved into yourhand when you press your palm around it

you know how teslas are so tough and when they crash nothing happens to them but the person inside gets all the force thats why they make cars that actually fold in two when they crash so you are okay. same shit with the bones and the sutures

 

[mtn_dude_193]

Forward growth might be possible but getting your maxilla wide is just bullshit

forward growth is harder but whatever bro

 

[xkraltr325]

forward growth is harder but whatever bro

It is not

 

[mtn_dude_193]

It is not

dude you just joined please

 

[Niebvll]

dude the pressure has no where to go where do you think it will go thats basic physics for you

I literally mentioned that
when you apply pressure to a solid, it spreads out through the material and thus gets diverted, not only through but also along the solid
That is very much basic physics

 

[mtn_dude_193]

I literally mentioned that
when you apply pressure to a solid, it spreads out through the material and thus gets diverted, not only through but also along the solid
That is very much basic physics

that only happens if it has no where else to go

 

[Niebvll]

you know how teslas are so tough and when they crash nothing happens to them but the person inside gets all the force thats why they make cars that actually fold in two when they crash so you are okay. same shit with the bones and the sutures

Absolutely not lol?
the person inside doesnt get the force applied to them, they keep the momentum the car had before the crash
thats one of newton's laws you learn this in 7th grade physics class
No correlation between these two

 

[mtn_dude_193]

Absolutely not lol?
the person inside doesnt get the force applied to them, they keep the momentum the car had before the crash
thats one of newton's laws you learn this in 7th grade physics class
No correlation between these two

yeah you are right its the momentum but the point still stands with the car analogy

 

[Niebvll]

that only happens if it has no where else to go

No it doesnt
That always happens
and the bone HAS nowhere to go
The suture isnt as movable as you think, again especially at teen ages which is what were talking about
the pressure goes through the bone and gets eventually spread out through soft tissue at the other end and it gets lost

 

[Niebvll]

yeah you are right its the momentum but the point still stands with the car analogy

no it doesnt
the analogy doesnt even make sense
theres no momentum applied by a carrier vehicle when you push your bones wiht your thumbs

 

[justinAnomaly]

you do it and record the whole shit and post before afters.

 

[mtn_dude_193]

No it doesnt
That always happens
and the bone HAS nowhere to go
The suture isnt as movable as you think, again especially at teen ages which is what were talking about
the pressure goes through the bone and gets eventually spread out through soft tissue at the other end and it gets lost

the suture is much more movable compared to bones the difference between them is huge thats why marpe works at the first place

 

[mtn_dude_193]

you do it and record the whole shit and post before afters.

my maxilla aint even reccesed just trying to prove a point lol

 

[justinAnomaly]

my maxilla aint even reccesed just trying to prove a point lol

tf is that ptr

 

[mtn_dude_193]

no it doesnt
the analogy doesnt even make sense
theres no momentum applied by a carrier vehicle when you push your bones wiht your thumbs

dude its exactly the same imagine a really though motorcycle helmet now maybe it wont break when you crash but all that pressure will get diverted in to your skull because it has no where else to go. you can look it up. you actually want a helmet that breaks because it absorsbs some of the pressure

 

[mtn_dude_193]

tf is that ptr

couldnt give less of a fuck tbh

 

[goonadict]

i think a lot of people are underestimating thumbpulling if marpe actually can expand 7 - 8 mms in 30 days thumbpulling can do the same in lets say 200 days. now people will say not enough force blah blah your thumbs actually generate more force than the marpe so yeah, also people that say it doesnt do it 24/7 marpe also doesnt do it all the time after you switch the crank it actually only applies force for like 5 minutes and it gradually lessens afterwards it actually holds the shape thats the best attribute of marpe. while thumbpulling cant be continous and hold the shape you can stack little amount of expansion over like 200 days and get the same amount of expansion. now niggas are gonna say why not just work a job and get a marpe much easier. marpe only expands laterally so you arent getting any forward growth or rotation not even with facemask ( that can be a whole another thread on its own) you are even getting downward growth since nothing is holding the maxilla a lot of people get nose humps after it. while with thumbpulling since you are simulating natural development ( i mean pushing on the palate just like you should have done with your tongue while you were a child) can actually give you real forward growth. jordan wood is the best example of this whit what he did after 19 you can check his results. also i agree that if your sutures are very fused this will not work at all but its not the case for most people even at age 30

dnr this is just cope wont even bother to look at the info

 

[Niebvll]

the suture is much more movable compared to bones the difference between them is huge thats why marpe works at the first place

No its not
Marpe works because through the screws its completely bound to the bone, enough pressure will eventually destroy either the marpe or the bone and bone is more fragile, due to the minimal mobility that the suture has marpe's pressure which is in direct connection to the bone makes the suture fail to stay intact as is and moves it minimally
The thumbs have 0 direct connection like this and thats the whole difference, their pressure can just be diverted

 

[mtn_dude_193]

No its not
Marpe works because through the screws its completely bound to the bone, enough pressure will eventually destroy either the marpe or the bone and bone is more fragile, due to the minimal mobility that the suture has marpe's pressure which is in direct connection to the bone makes the suture fail to stay intact as is and moves it minimally
The thumbs have 0 direct connection like this and thats the whole difference, their pressure can just be diverted

explain how is this analogy any different

 

[mtn_dude_193]

No its not
Marpe works because through the screws its completely bound to the bone, enough pressure will eventually destroy either the marpe or the bone and bone is more fragile, due to the minimal mobility that the suture has marpe's pressure which is in direct connection to the bone makes the suture fail to stay intact as is and moves it minimally
The thumbs have 0 direct connection like this and thats the whole difference, their pressure can just be diverted

and thats why marpe works much much faster ( also because it holds the shape much better but yeah)

 

[Niebvll]

dude its exactly the same imagine a really though motorcycle helmet now maybe it wont break when you crash but all that pressure will get diverted in to your skull because it has no where else to go.

Yeah but it still gets distributed LOL
Literally proves my point
Youre NOT applying the same pressure as a high speed crash does, your analogy is so flawed
also disregarding that a crash is rapid short term pressure
reversing this analogy properly would mean this is an argument for extreme force applied to the bone short term, thats what marpe does when you crank but thumbpulling doesnt, it cant
its a long term low pressure (as it gets diverted) method

you can look it up. you actually want a helmet that breaks because it absorsbs some of the pressure

Im aware

 

[Niebvll]

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explain how is this analogy any different

LOL DNR NO WAY YOURE USING AN AI FOR THIS WHOLE THING
I already explained it now leave me alone theres no hope for you
go thumbpull

 

[mtn_dude_193]

Yeah but it still gets distributed LOL
Literally proves my point
Youre NOT applying the same pressure as a high speed crash does, your analogy is so flawed
also disregarding that a crash is rapid short term pressure
reversing this analogy properly would mean this is an argument for extreme force applied to the bone short term, thats what marpe does when you crank but thumbpulling doesnt, it cant
its a long term low pressure (as it gets diverted) method

Im aware

dude its a analogy i know that its not a high speed crash but the mechanism is the same

 

[Niebvll]

and thats why marpe works much much faster ( also because it holds the shape much better but yeah)

No you retard thats why marpe works in the first place
also 0 counterarguments
I see this as my point

 

[Niebvll]

dude its a analogy i know that its not a high speed crash but the mechanism is the same

Im constantly explaining why it isnt the same
GTFO

 

[mtn_dude_193]

LOL DNR NO WAY YOURE USING AN AI FOR THIS WHOLE THING
I already explained it now leave me alone theres no hope for you
go thumbpull

no just used ai rn

 

[mtn_dude_193]

Im constantly explaining why it isnt the same
GTFO

its exactly the fucking same bro

 

[Niebvll]

no just used ai rn

ignore list because you keep bothering me
sorry nigga

 

[mtn_dude_193]

Im constantly explaining why it isnt the same
GTFO

i guess bro