Got you, thank you bhai ilyWhat if I use tyrosinase inhibitors to bleach my skin
Good thread good routine, I was able to read everything. Beware though, don't tag everyone at once, you can only tag 5 people in 1 post before that tag stops notifying the others. Just tag 5 people, then tag 5 the next reply.
Agreed
Agreed, we're (kind of) talking past each other. My point here is to say Accutane for acne clearance, topicals for everything else.
he deff abused alcohol while on it and skipped some days + didn't take it with enough fat and on top off that he was on roids so ofc his skin isn't going to be glass like. Also some of people do take 5mg (eod) + tret and it's very good but i couldn't be bothered applying sunscreen all over my body for that.Agreed, we're (kind of) talking past each other. My point here is to say Accutane for acne clearance, topicals for everything else.
It's tiktok info that has seeped onto this forum and all over looksmaxxing circles because of Clavicular saying you should permanently microdose accutane after finishing an accutane course for maintaining good skin.
It's funny because that cunt himself didn't even do that, his skin sucked after his course and he quite literally went and done procedures to fix the redness and pih
20mg accutane EOD and topical taz is better then either separatelyAccutane SERIOUSLY is overrated.
"Now why are you saying this Kojo, aren't you THE Accutane enthusiast??"
YES, I am, but it's so misused and coped about because of retards filling this forum and social media with tiktok info from a jester named CLAVICULAR.
This idea that you should just "microdose accutane" for skin maintenance is so retarded and is a pseudoscience Clav has pushed out arbitrarily. Accutane does not penetrate the epidermal or Stratum Corneum layers of the skin, which is literally what we all see and feel on our face. This alone is already why topical retinoids are better.
Studies also have shown that Topical retinoids like fucking tretinoin already beat out low dose accutane in photoaging, wrinkles and pigmented skin. Which is what matters for maintaining how good your skin looks mainly. (With some other factors I will address)
Low-dose oral isotretinoin versus topical retinoic acid for photoaging: a randomized, comparative study - PubMed
Despite being safe and effective, low-dose ISO was not superior to 0.05% RA for advanced photoaging treatment.pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Topical retinoids being applied directly onto the skin give it the advantage of changing the SURFACE of the skin. Accutanes main mechanism of action is the atrophy of Sebaceous glands (Located in the dermal layer), but being a retinoid it also does the other things the other retinoids do at a systemic level.
This is why it's also less effective for the skin because it's a spread out effect that comes from deep within the skins layers contrary to being localised onto the skin surface.
This is also why accutane can't get rid of Post-Inflammatory-Hyperpigmentation or Post-Inflammatory-Erythema, I like to think of Accutane simply as the ACNE compound not a skin compound all in all.
Skin cell turnover rate is another factor that matters but follows the prior principle of it being systemic vs topical. It sounds like an echo chamber but it matters a lot, the retinoids practically all have the same functions with accutane being a systemic version that affects the skin more deeper. But the localised action of topicals beat accutane out for skin APPERANCE.
So Kojo, if this is all true, what do you recommend I do for my skin?
Honestly I won't really overcomplicate it, You just need to attack your skin failos. Assess and diagnose the problem, look for what fixes it.
PIH/PIE - Hydroquinone for 3 months, cycle off into Azelaic Acid to maintain your skin from the pigmentation. (for pie use azelaic acid too) Use a retinoid to actually permanently shed that outer layer of your skin that's pigmented.
Azelaic Acid and Hydroquinone are tyrosinase inhibitors so they aren't permanent they just inhibit the melanin on your skin whilst your retinoid will actually shed the skin permanently. It should be permanently fixed within 3-6 months depending on severity.
Acne - Full accutane course, meet a cumulative dose of 150mg * your bodyweight in kg. You will typically get rid of pih/pie after doing this course but if you're giga low inhib you can do it whilst on the course like me. it's burning the shit out of my skin but who cares.
Skin Texture/Glow/Collagen - Are mainly stimulated by skin cell turnover rate and exfoliation (removing dead skin cells from the skin) in which Topical Retinoids do for you and directly on your skin, alongside chemical exfoliants.
Pairing this with something like glycolic acid can help chemically exfoliate your face, I'd only do this once a week though to avoid over-exfoliation. But imo topical retinoids and a full accutane course will mostly do the job for glowing skin and a good skin texture. (I'm seeing results in 3 days on tazarotene 0.05%)
HOW WE WILL MAINTAIN OUR RESULTS.
Tazarotene/Tretinoin - Every single Night
Cleanser/Moisturiser - Every morning and Night (Water)
Chemical Exfoliants - Once a week (preferably glycolic acid after skin gets used to retinoid)
Sunscreen - For photoaging, Use whenever going out, especially on a sunny day
Just be hygienic in general, Drink a lot of water and change bed sheets weekly. Wash your hair too.
Keep. It. Simple.
Ngl this originally was supposed to a small discussion on why I think accutane is overrated for skin and how some people misuse it but I guess it turned into a guide-esc post..
You guys can still give some feedback and disagreements though and we can CORDIALLY talk about it under this post.
Love you guys!!
@nwed @ICL @hate @Final Fantasy @appealisLAW @ecstazy @134applesauce456 @LEFORT17 @eyezen @iqletandrew73
Why would you have to permanently upkeep the nose shrinking if the pores and sebaceous glands are already permanently shrunken?
Personally, i store a LOT of sebum in my nose so it just works for me.
Ayyy thanks brocel
"This is so retarded" (Doesn't explain why in a friendly discussion thread)
im planning about taz. but idk since in tret im on budget with small money for tret
I mean these topicals r dirt cheap. Tazarotene is like 4usd
Goated, remember to cycle it E3M
what is t1 skin quality?
do u think its necessary to switch from tret to taz
where do u source taz?
Tier 1 I believe, really good skin
Indiamart, Shruti my goat
I wouldnt say to people that you have to in the sense that tretinoin isn't enough, But taz is much better. Does better in all regards that matter for skin. It's just more irritable at first
oh i dont really wanna switch to taz.. also how to get rid of pie marks fast?
nice, tret seems really good
Azelaic acid
It doesn't matter either way if it "permeates" the layer to make my point still stand
Bro but your saying the same as he wrote in the thread.
dnred at the title i was wrong but also idk why this post was made
furthermore its hard to read a thread when his post to rep ratio is horrible and he refers to himself as "but kojo why do this"
I want my nose and pores permanently shrunkAccutane SERIOUSLY is overrated.
"Now why are you saying this Kojo, aren't you THE Accutane enthusiast??"
YES, I am, but it's so misused and coped about because of retards filling this forum and social media with tiktok info from a jester named CLAVICULAR.
This idea that you should just "microdose accutane" for skin maintenance is so retarded and is a pseudoscience Clav has pushed out arbitrarily. Accutane does not penetrate the epidermal or Stratum Corneum layers of the skin, which is literally what we all see and feel on our face. This alone is already why topical retinoids are better.
Studies also have shown that Topical retinoids like fucking tretinoin already beat out low dose accutane in photoaging, wrinkles and pigmented skin. Which is what matters for maintaining how good your skin looks mainly. (With some other factors I will address)
Low-dose oral isotretinoin versus topical retinoic acid for photoaging: a randomized, comparative study - PubMed
Despite being safe and effective, low-dose ISO was not superior to 0.05% RA for advanced photoaging treatment.
Topical retinoids being applied directly onto the skin give it the advantage of changing the SURFACE of the skin. Accutanes main mechanism of action is the atrophy of Sebaceous glands (Located in the dermal layer), but being a retinoid it also does the other things the other retinoids do at a systemic level.
This is why it's also less effective for the skin because it's a spread out effect that comes from deep within the skins layers contrary to being localised onto the skin surface.
This is also why accutane can't get rid of Post-Inflammatory-Hyperpigmentation or Post-Inflammatory-Erythema, I like to think of Accutane simply as the ACNE compound not a skin compound all in all.
Skin cell turnover rate is another factor that matters but follows the prior principle of it being systemic vs topical. It sounds like an echo chamber but it matters a lot, the retinoids practically all have the same functions with accutane being a systemic version that affects the skin more deeper. But the localised action of topicals beat accutane out for skin APPERANCE.
So Kojo, if this is all true, what do you recommend I do for my skin?
Honestly I won't really overcomplicate it, You just need to attack your skin failos. Assess and diagnose the problem, look for what fixes it.
PIH/PIE - Hydroquinone for 3 months, cycle off into Azelaic Acid to maintain your skin from the pigmentation. (for pie use azelaic acid too) Use a retinoid to actually permanently shed that outer layer of your skin that's pigmented.
Azelaic Acid and Hydroquinone are tyrosinase inhibitors so they aren't permanent they just inhibit the melanin on your skin whilst your retinoid will actually shed the skin permanently. It should be permanently fixed within 3-6 months depending on severity.
Acne - Full accutane course, meet a cumulative dose of 150mg * your bodyweight in kg. You will typically get rid of pih/pie after doing this course but if you're giga low inhib you can do it whilst on the course like me. it's burning the shit out of my skin but who cares.
Skin Texture/Glow/Collagen - Are mainly stimulated by skin cell turnover rate and exfoliation (removing dead skin cells from the skin) in which Topical Retinoids do for you and directly on your skin, alongside chemical exfoliants.
Pairing this with something like glycolic acid can help chemically exfoliate your face, I'd only do this once a week though to avoid over-exfoliation. But imo topical retinoids and a full accutane course will mostly do the job for glowing skin and a good skin texture. (I'm seeing results in 3 days on tazarotene 0.05%)
HOW WE WILL MAINTAIN OUR RESULTS.
Tazarotene/Tretinoin - Every single Night
Cleanser/Moisturiser - Every morning and Night (Water)
Chemical Exfoliants - Once a week (preferably glycolic acid after skin gets used to retinoid)
Sunscreen - For photoaging, Use whenever going out, especially on a sunny day
Just be hygienic in general, Drink a lot of water and change bed sheets weekly. Wash your hair too.
Keep. It. Simple.
Ngl this originally was supposed to a small discussion on why I think accutane is overrated for skin and how some people misuse it but I guess it turned into a guide-esc post..
You guys can still give some feedback and disagreements though and we can CORDIALLY talk about it under this post.
Love you guys!!
@nwed @ICL @hate @Final Fantasy @appealisLAW @ecstazy @134applesauce456 @LEFORT17 @eyezen @iqletandrew73
Bro don't be toxic
I've also misread threads before lol
no i am toxic because his first line is false info.
You are a retard that can't read, you didn't give the source you provided a small cropped screenshot that doesn't allow me to read the entire thing to gain full context. When asked, you did not provide it.
You think I'm talking about acne you're a retard. And I quote "Whilst getting used to topicals you could have completed half an accutane course by then" the point isn't for them to compete
You DO KNOW If you had a good reading comprehension and average tracking skills, you'd see I'm not saying tretinoin replaces isotretinoin for acne or sebaceous gland atrophy. Also saying that "tret is inferior in every way" because isotretinoin is better in ONE way is a quantifier shift fallacy
Indiamart brotherWhere is it 4 dollars
I bought mine for 25
It isn't so basic knowledge which is the point, social media gets flooded with false info all the time. Microdosing accutane for skin is fucking terrible and everyone is starting to do it now
It's a form of rhetoric, you genuinely act like a child. You need to get your emotions and attention span in check for real, a lot of mfs on this forum like you have serious serious problems
Exactly, he's a toxic cunt. Just decreasing the quality of the forum acting like thisBro don't be toxic
I've also misread threads before lol
Accutane SERIOUSLY is overrated.
"Now why are you saying this Kojo, aren't you THE Accutane enthusiast??"
YES, I am, but it's so misused and coped about because of retards filling this forum and social media with tiktok info from a jester named CLAVICULAR.
This idea that you should just "microdose accutane" for skin maintenance is so retarded and is a pseudoscience Clav has pushed out arbitrarily. Accutane does not penetrate the epidermal or Stratum Corneum layers of the skin, which is literally what we all see and feel on our face. This alone is already why topical retinoids are better.
Studies also have shown that Topical retinoids like fucking tretinoin already beat out low dose accutane in photoaging, wrinkles and pigmented skin. Which is what matters for maintaining how good your skin looks mainly. (With some other factors I will address)
Low-dose oral isotretinoin versus topical retinoic acid for photoaging: a randomized, comparative study - PubMed
Despite being safe and effective, low-dose ISO was not superior to 0.05% RA for advanced photoaging treatment.
Topical retinoids being applied directly onto the skin give it the advantage of changing the SURFACE of the skin. Accutanes main mechanism of action is the atrophy of Sebaceous glands (Located in the dermal layer), but being a retinoid it also does the other things the other retinoids do at a systemic level.
This is why it's also less effective for the skin because it's a spread out effect that comes from deep within the skins layers contrary to being localised onto the skin surface.
This is also why accutane can't get rid of Post-Inflammatory-Hyperpigmentation or Post-Inflammatory-Erythema, I like to think of Accutane simply as the ACNE compound not a skin compound all in all.
Skin cell turnover rate is another factor that matters but follows the prior principle of it being systemic vs topical. It sounds like an echo chamber but it matters a lot, the retinoids practically all have the same functions with accutane being a systemic version that affects the skin more deeper. But the localised action of topicals beat accutane out for skin APPERANCE.
So Kojo, if this is all true, what do you recommend I do for my skin?
Honestly I won't really overcomplicate it, You just need to attack your skin failos. Assess and diagnose the problem, look for what fixes it.
PIH/PIE - Hydroquinone for 3 months, cycle off into Azelaic Acid to maintain your skin from the pigmentation. (for pie use azelaic acid too) Use a retinoid to actually permanently shed that outer layer of your skin that's pigmented.
Azelaic Acid and Hydroquinone are tyrosinase inhibitors so they aren't permanent they just inhibit the melanin on your skin whilst your retinoid will actually shed the skin permanently. It should be permanently fixed within 3-6 months depending on severity.
Acne - Full accutane course, meet a cumulative dose of 150mg * your bodyweight in kg. You will typically get rid of pih/pie after doing this course but if you're giga low inhib you can do it whilst on the course like me. it's burning the shit out of my skin but who cares.
Skin Texture/Glow/Collagen - Are mainly stimulated by skin cell turnover rate and exfoliation (removing dead skin cells from the skin) in which Topical Retinoids do for you and directly on your skin, alongside chemical exfoliants.
Pairing this with something like glycolic acid can help chemically exfoliate your face, I'd only do this once a week though to avoid over-exfoliation. But imo topical retinoids and a full accutane course will mostly do the job for glowing skin and a good skin texture. (I'm seeing results in 3 days on tazarotene 0.05%)
HOW WE WILL MAINTAIN OUR RESULTS.
Tazarotene/Tretinoin - Every single Night
Cleanser/Moisturiser - Every morning and Night (Water)
Chemical Exfoliants - Once a week (preferably glycolic acid after skin gets used to retinoid)
Sunscreen - For photoaging, Use whenever going out, especially on a sunny day
Just be hygienic in general, Drink a lot of water and change bed sheets weekly. Wash your hair too.
Keep. It. Simple.
Ngl this originally was supposed to a small discussion on why I think accutane is overrated for skin and how some people misuse it but I guess it turned into a guide-esc post..
You guys can still give some feedback and disagreements though and we can CORDIALLY talk about it under this post.
Love you guys!!
@nwed @ICL @hate @Final Fantasy @appealisLAW @ecstazy @134applesauce456 @LEFORT17 @eyezen @iqletandrew73Accutane SERIOUSLY is overrated.
"Now why are you saying this Kojo, aren't you THE Accutane enthusiast??"
YES, I am, but it's so misused and coped about because of retards filling this forum and social media with tiktok info from a jester named CLAVICULAR.
This idea that you should just "microdose accutane" for skin maintenance is so retarded and is a pseudoscience Clav has pushed out arbitrarily. Accutane does not penetrate the epidermal or Stratum Corneum layers of the skin, which is literally what we all see and feel on our face. This alone is already why topical retinoids are better.
Studies also have shown that Topical retinoids like fucking tretinoin already beat out low dose accutane in photoaging, wrinkles and pigmented skin. Which is what matters for maintaining how good your skin looks mainly. (With some other factors I will address)
Low-dose oral isotretinoin versus topical retinoic acid for photoaging: a randomized, comparative study - PubMed
Despite being safe and effective, low-dose ISO was not superior to 0.05% RA for advanced photoaging treatment.
Topical retinoids being applied directly onto the skin give it the advantage of changing the SURFACE of the skin. Accutanes main mechanism of action is the atrophy of Sebaceous glands (Located in the dermal layer), but being a retinoid it also does the other things the other retinoids do at a systemic level.
This is why it's also less effective for the skin because it's a spread out effect that comes from deep within the skins layers contrary to being localised onto the skin surface.
This is also why accutane can't get rid of Post-Inflammatory-Hyperpigmentation or Post-Inflammatory-Erythema, I like to think of Accutane simply as the ACNE compound not a skin compound all in all.
Skin cell turnover rate is another factor that matters but follows the prior principle of it being systemic vs topical. It sounds like an echo chamber but it matters a lot, the retinoids practically all have the same functions with accutane being a systemic version that affects the skin more deeper. But the localised action of topicals beat accutane out for skin APPERANCE.
So Kojo, if this is all true, what do you recommend I do for my skin?
Honestly I won't really overcomplicate it, You just need to attack your skin failos. Assess and diagnose the problem, look for what fixes it.
PIH/PIE - Hydroquinone for 3 months, cycle off into Azelaic Acid to maintain your skin from the pigmentation. (for pie use azelaic acid too) Use a retinoid to actually permanently shed that outer layer of your skin that's pigmented.
Azelaic Acid and Hydroquinone are tyrosinase inhibitors so they aren't permanent they just inhibit the melanin on your skin whilst your retinoid will actually shed the skin permanently. It should be permanently fixed within 3-6 months depending on severity.
Acne - Full accutane course, meet a cumulative dose of 150mg * your bodyweight in kg. You will typically get rid of pih/pie after doing this course but if you're giga low inhib you can do it whilst on the course like me. it's burning the shit out of my skin but who cares.
Skin Texture/Glow/Collagen - Are mainly stimulated by skin cell turnover rate and exfoliation (removing dead skin cells from the skin) in which Topical Retinoids do for you and directly on your skin, alongside chemical exfoliants.
Pairing this with something like glycolic acid can help chemically exfoliate your face, I'd only do this once a week though to avoid over-exfoliation. But imo topical retinoids and a full accutane course will mostly do the job for glowing skin and a good skin texture. (I'm seeing results in 3 days on tazarotene 0.05%)
HOW WE WILL MAINTAIN OUR RESULTS.
Tazarotene/Tretinoin - Every single Night
Cleanser/Moisturiser - Every morning and Night (Water)
Chemical Exfoliants - Once a week (preferably glycolic acid after skin gets used to retinoid)
Sunscreen - For photoaging, Use whenever going out, especially on a sunny day
Just be hygienic in general, Drink a lot of water and change bed sheets weekly. Wash your hair too.
Keep. It. Simple.
Ngl this originally was supposed to a small discussion on why I think accutane is overrated for skin and how some people misuse it but I guess it turned into a guide-esc post..
You guys can still give some feedback and disagreements though and we can CORDIALLY talk about it under this post.
Love you guys!!
@nwed @ICL @hate @Final Fantasy @appealisLAW @ecstazy @134applesauce456 @LEFORT17 @eyezen @iqletandrew73
Stupid nigger
Ai overview sourcing
"epidermal or Stratum Corneum layers arent hit by accutane"
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Which did u use
Depends what it's for
Adapalene and Tret 0,025
