Accutane Is Overrated, HERE'S WHY. (SKINCELS GTFIH)

[Kojo]

Adapalene and Tret 0,025

Well those are pretty weak, I'd move to 0.1% tret or 0.05 taz

 

[Kojo]

tret or taz overall? My skin is fine no pores really just dont have that super glowy look yet. Microdosing isotret 10mg a day rn should i stop it or just add tret or taz?

You could try adding tret or taz, I'm personally going the taz route. Tret is super "normified" and is overly used when taz exists. I'm not saying it's niche but it's more niche than tret because of normies. I could see differences literally in a day.

Add taz and if it made a big difference to your skin, that shows you that the accutane is doing nothing. You can do a little study on yourself like i did, I didn't have the glowing until adding taz hence I know accutane even at 40mg can't compare. For MY skin at least.

 

[snowslayer]

You could try adding tret or taz, I'm personally going the taz route. Tret is super "normified" and is overly used when taz exists. I'm not saying it's niche but it's more niche than tret because of normies. I could see differences literally in a day.

Add taz and if it made a big difference to your skin, that shows you that the accutane is doing nothing. You can do a little study on yourself like i did, I didn't have the glowing until adding taz hence I know accutane even at 40mg can't compare. For MY skin at least.

i agree but when im on cycle imma need the accutane for preventative measures yfm?

 

[mewzilla]

Accutane SERIOUSLY is overrated.

"Now why are you saying this Kojo, aren't you THE Accutane enthusiast??"

YES, I am, but it's so misused and coped about because of retards filling this forum and social media with tiktok info from a jester named CLAVICULAR.

Spoiler: My Reasoning.

This idea that you should just "microdose accutane" for skin maintenance is so retarded and is a pseudoscience Clav has pushed out arbitrarily. Accutane does not penetrate the epidermal or Stratum Corneum layers of the skin, which is literally what we all see and feel on our face. This alone is already why topical retinoids are better.

Studies also have shown that Topical retinoids like fucking tretinoin already beat out low dose accutane in photoaging, wrinkles and pigmented skin. Which is what matters for maintaining how good your skin looks mainly. (With some other factors I will address)

Spoiler: Studies!

Low-dose oral isotretinoin versus topical retinoic acid for photoaging: a randomized, comparative study - PubMed

Despite being safe and effective, low-dose ISO was not superior to 0.05% RA for advanced photoaging treatment.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Spoiler: Additional Reasoning (A bit Pseudoscientific but Reasonable)

Topical retinoids being applied directly onto the skin give it the advantage of changing the SURFACE of the skin. Accutanes main mechanism of action is the atrophy of Sebaceous glands (Located in the dermal layer), but being a retinoid it also does the other things the other retinoids do at a systemic level.

This is why it's also less effective for the skin because it's a spread out effect that comes from deep within the skins layers contrary to being localised onto the skin surface.

This is also why accutane can't get rid of Post-Inflammatory-Hyperpigmentation or Post-Inflammatory-Erythema, I like to think of Accutane simply as the ACNE compound not a skin compound all in all.

Skin cell turnover rate is another factor that matters but follows the prior principle of it being systemic vs topical. It sounds like an echo chamber but it matters a lot, the retinoids practically all have the same functions with accutane being a systemic version that affects the skin more deeper. But the localised action of topicals beat accutane out for skin APPERANCE.

So Kojo, if this is all true, what do you recommend I do for my skin?

Honestly I won't really overcomplicate it, You just need to attack your skin failos. Assess and diagnose the problem, look for what fixes it.

Spoiler: Methods!

PIH/PIE - Hydroquinone for 3 months, cycle off into Azelaic Acid to maintain your skin from the pigmentation. (for pie use azelaic acid too) Use a retinoid to actually permanently shed that outer layer of your skin that's pigmented.

Azelaic Acid and Hydroquinone are tyrosinase inhibitors so they aren't permanent they just inhibit the melanin on your skin whilst your retinoid will actually shed the skin permanently. It should be permanently fixed within 3-6 months depending on severity.

Acne - Full accutane course, meet a cumulative dose of 150mg * your bodyweight in kg. You will typically get rid of pih/pie after doing this course but if you're giga low inhib you can do it whilst on the course like me. it's burning the shit out of my skin but who cares.

Skin Texture/Glow/Collagen - Are mainly stimulated by skin cell turnover rate and exfoliation (removing dead skin cells from the skin) in which Topical Retinoids do for you and directly on your skin, alongside chemical exfoliants.

Pairing this with something like glycolic acid can help chemically exfoliate your face, I'd only do this once a week though to avoid over-exfoliation. But imo topical retinoids and a full accutane course will mostly do the job for glowing skin and a good skin texture. (I'm seeing results in 3 days on tazarotene 0.05%)

HOW WE WILL MAINTAIN OUR RESULTS.

Spoiler: Skin Maintenance.

Tazarotene/Tretinoin - Every single Night
Cleanser/Moisturiser - Every morning and Night (Water)
Chemical Exfoliants - Once a week (preferably glycolic acid after skin gets used to retinoid)
Sunscreen - For photoaging, Use whenever going out, especially on a sunny day

Just be hygienic in general, Drink a lot of water and change bed sheets weekly. Wash your hair too.

Keep. It. Simple.

Ngl this originally was supposed to a small discussion on why I think accutane is overrated for skin and how some people misuse it but I guess it turned into a guide-esc post..

You guys can still give some feedback and disagreements though and we can CORDIALLY talk about it under this post.

Love you guys!!

Spoiler: (Some tags)

@nwed @ICL @hate @Final Fantasy @appealisLAW @ecstazy @134applesauce456 @LEFORT17 @eyezen @iqletandrew73

i like u op ur cool
im on azelaic, epiduo (adapelene + benzoyl) and accutane. what else can i even do atp?

when should i introduce my glycolic back into my routine? been on epiduo for more than a week now and i still get occasional breakouts ( retinoid purge + bad genetics )
i still have blackheads and bad skin texture.
is patience all i need?

 

[Kojo]

i agree but when im on cycle imma need the accutane for preventative measures yfm?

Yeah I feel you, definitely keep the accutane then. A lot of people here microdose accutane on cycles. It's very effective I hope people don't miscontrue what I mean by this whole thread based on the clickbait-y title

 

[Kojo]

i like u op ur cool
im on azelaic, epiduo (adapelene + benzoyl) and accutane. what else can i even do atp?

when should i introduce my glycolic back into my routine? been on epiduo for more than a week now and i still get occasional breakouts ( retinoid purge + bad genetics )
i still have blackheads and bad skin texture.
is patience all i need?

Patience is a very big factor, it'll take you a month at the bare minimum to see even a significant change to your skin with anything here.

I personally wouldn't use the benzoyl peroxide, pretty useless when you have accutane to solve the acne issue. Just let the acne run it's course, whilst accutane runs it's course. It'll be over soon, don't bother trying to obsessively fix your acne break-outs.

Adapalene isn't too bad, if using it for breakouts don't bother just use tretinoin to at least help your skin quality and appearance.

I wouldn't exfoliate on accutane personally whilst also using these other compounds, You'd just be RAPING your skin barrier. You'll likely get red from it too (Happened to me)

TL;DR Let accutane run it's course, forget the other compounds. If you can handle it then use tretinoin or taz. Do NOT exfoliate.

Edit: I didn't read the azelaic acid part, Azelaic is good for managing inflammation/redness and Hyperpigmentation. I'd stay on that for sure.

 

[mewzilla]

Patience is a very big factor, it'll take you a month at the bare minimum to see even a significant change to your skin with anything here.

I personally wouldn't use the benzoyl peroxide, pretty useless when you have accutane to solve the acne issue. Just let the acne run it's course, whilst accutane runs it's course. It'll be over soon, don't bother trying to obsessively fix your acne break-outs.

Adapalene isn't too bad, if using it for breakouts don't bother just use tretinoin to at least help your skin quality and appearance.

I wouldn't exfoliate on accutane personally whilst also using these other compounds, You'd just be RAPING your skin barrier. You'll likely get red from it too (Happened to me)

TL;DR Let accutane run it's course, forget the other compounds. If you can handle it then use tretinoin or taz. Do NOT exfoliate.

Thanks!!
I was on tretinoin (tret+clindamycin in one) but it was way too harsh to use on 60 mg accutane.

The adapalene im on has benzoyl in it so i dont really have a choice when it comes to that. But atleast it dries out any breakout the next day so...nice benefit i guess.
Im using the adap for skin texture as i've read its "gentler" that the other retinoids while still being effective for texture.
Thanks for the advice, ill be sure to keep my skin in check

 

[mrstroup]

Studies also have shown that Topical retinoids like fucking tretinoin already beat out low dose accutane in photoaging, wrinkles and pigmented skin. Which is what matters for maintaining how good your skin looks mainly. (With some other factors I will address)

Hey buddy have you ever thought that we take these things for acne rather than photoaging and wrinkles? Anytime I see someone say topic retinoids are better I just know they are older than 30. Accutane is the only thing that will permanently remove your acne, not tretinoin. I will go ahead and agree with you on your points but you are completely missing out on the fact that people aren't taking accutane for anti aging lol

 

[Kojo]

Hey buddy have you ever thought that we take these things for acne rather than photoaging and wrinkles? Anytime I see someone say topic retinoids are better I just know they are older than 30. Accutane is the only thing that will permanently remove your acne, not tretinoin. I will go ahead and agree with you on your points but you are completely missing out on the fact that people aren't taking accutane for anti aging lol

You're also missing out on the fact that I literally did not say topicals serve as a functional equivalent or substitute for accutane in resolving acne.

And the point is that people are starting to use accutane for aging and skin quality when it's shit for that.

 

[susisesi]

oops

 

[powerliftercoco]

Well those are pretty weak, I'd move to 0.1% tret or 0.05 taz

Read the studies, tret gives the same results on the long term regardless of the concentration.

I used them for years.

I haven’t tried Taz though, but I still don’t care that much about retinoids. There’s better things, retinoids are basic and not that good.

If you want good skin you spend the money on treatments.

 

[Kojo]

Read the studies, tret gives the same results on the long term regardless of the concentration.

I used them for years.

I haven’t tried Taz though, but I still don’t care that much about retinoids. There’s better things, retinoids are basic and not that good.

If you want good skin you spend the money on treatments.

Treatments are always going to beat any appliance. But that's not as cost effective for a good majority. And I'd say you're on the minority side for not getting much results from retinoids. Could be more factors at play here.

Send studies on concentrations not having a difference. Also adapalene is more acne-fixing than skin quality based.

 

[LANCEPRETTYBOY]

did u only used tretinoin?

tretinoin 0.05% my beloved gave me t1 skin quality gonna use hydroquinone for my undereyes soon

 

[6”3neartyronelite]

did u only used tretinoin?

Yea including moisturiser and tretinoin

 

[LANCEPRETTYBOY]

Treatments are always going to beat any appliance. But that's not as cost effective for a good majority. And I'd say you're on the minority side for not getting much results from retinoids. Could be more factors at play here.

Send studies on concentrations not having a difference. Also adapalene is more acne-fixing than skin quality based.

kojo do u think diet is cope

 

[Kojo]

kojo do u think diet is cope

Yes, I suppose diet can play a role in reducing inflammatory responses but it's majorly cope. A lot of people with a consistent acne pattern have hormones as the cause. Not food

 

[LANCEPRETTYBOY]

Yes, I suppose diet can play a role in reducing inflammatory responses but it's majorly cope. A lot of people with a consistent acne pattern have hormones as the cause. Not food

i mean like, its for real.. i tried dieting so hard like fuck im not eating some dopamine donut shits and still get acne.. but now i eat like shit (bulking for gains anyways) while using a retinoid which is tret and i dont really breakout.. purging yes but breakout really no

 

[Kojo]

i mean like, its for real.. i tried dieting so hard like fuck im not eating some dopamine donut shits and still get acne.. but now i eat like shit (bulking for gains anyways) while using a retinoid which is tret and i dont really breakout.. purging yes but breakout really no

Same, I've tried a keto omad diet with only whole foods. People always think we're larping when people say they've literally tried those diets and they do fuck all. I have pictures of it too, it all tastes like dog shit like there's no positives.

Tasted shit and felt like shit and didn't have any net positives

 

[LANCEPRETTYBOY]

Same, I've tried a keto omad diet with only whole foods. People always think we're larping when people say they've literally tried those diets and they do fuck all. I have pictures of it too, it all tastes like dog shit like there's no positives.

Tasted shit and felt like shit and didn't have any net positives

people that is diet larpers 100% just took accutane or used retinoids

 

[jj1yden]

Accutane SERIOUSLY is overrated.

"Now why are you saying this Kojo, aren't you THE Accutane enthusiast??"

YES, I am, but it's so misused and coped about because of retards filling this forum and social media with tiktok info from a jester named CLAVICULAR.

Spoiler: My Reasoning.

This idea that you should just "microdose accutane" for skin maintenance is so retarded and is a pseudoscience Clav has pushed out arbitrarily. Accutane does not penetrate the epidermal or Stratum Corneum layers of the skin, which is literally what we all see and feel on our face. This alone is already why topical retinoids are better.

Studies also have shown that Topical retinoids like fucking tretinoin already beat out low dose accutane in photoaging, wrinkles and pigmented skin. Which is what matters for maintaining how good your skin looks mainly. (With some other factors I will address)

Spoiler: Studies!

Low-dose oral isotretinoin versus topical retinoic acid for photoaging: a randomized, comparative study - PubMed

Despite being safe and effective, low-dose ISO was not superior to 0.05% RA for advanced photoaging treatment.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Spoiler: Additional Reasoning (A bit Pseudoscientific but Reasonable)

Topical retinoids being applied directly onto the skin give it the advantage of changing the SURFACE of the skin. Accutanes main mechanism of action is the atrophy of Sebaceous glands (Located in the dermal layer), but being a retinoid it also does the other things the other retinoids do at a systemic level.

This is why it's also less effective for the skin because it's a spread out effect that comes from deep within the skins layers contrary to being localised onto the skin surface.

This is also why accutane can't get rid of Post-Inflammatory-Hyperpigmentation or Post-Inflammatory-Erythema, I like to think of Accutane simply as the ACNE compound not a skin compound all in all.

Skin cell turnover rate is another factor that matters but follows the prior principle of it being systemic vs topical. It sounds like an echo chamber but it matters a lot, the retinoids practically all have the same functions with accutane being a systemic version that affects the skin more deeper. But the localised action of topicals beat accutane out for skin APPERANCE.

So Kojo, if this is all true, what do you recommend I do for my skin?

Honestly I won't really overcomplicate it, You just need to attack your skin failos. Assess and diagnose the problem, look for what fixes it.

Spoiler: Methods!

PIH/PIE - Hydroquinone for 3 months, cycle off into Azelaic Acid to maintain your skin from the pigmentation. (for pie use azelaic acid too) Use a retinoid to actually permanently shed that outer layer of your skin that's pigmented.

Azelaic Acid and Hydroquinone are tyrosinase inhibitors so they aren't permanent they just inhibit the melanin on your skin whilst your retinoid will actually shed the skin permanently. It should be permanently fixed within 3-6 months depending on severity.

Acne - Full accutane course, meet a cumulative dose of 150mg * your bodyweight in kg. You will typically get rid of pih/pie after doing this course but if you're giga low inhib you can do it whilst on the course like me. it's burning the shit out of my skin but who cares.

Skin Texture/Glow/Collagen - Are mainly stimulated by skin cell turnover rate and exfoliation (removing dead skin cells from the skin) in which Topical Retinoids do for you and directly on your skin, alongside chemical exfoliants.

Pairing this with something like glycolic acid can help chemically exfoliate your face, I'd only do this once a week though to avoid over-exfoliation. But imo topical retinoids and a full accutane course will mostly do the job for glowing skin and a good skin texture. (I'm seeing results in 3 days on tazarotene 0.05%)

HOW WE WILL MAINTAIN OUR RESULTS.

Spoiler: Skin Maintenance.

Tazarotene/Tretinoin - Every single Night
Cleanser/Moisturiser - Every morning and Night (Water)
Chemical Exfoliants - Once a week (preferably glycolic acid after skin gets used to retinoid)
Sunscreen - For photoaging, Use whenever going out, especially on a sunny day

Just be hygienic in general, Drink a lot of water and change bed sheets weekly. Wash your hair too.

Keep. It. Simple.

Ngl this originally was supposed to a small discussion on why I think accutane is overrated for skin and how some people misuse it but I guess it turned into a guide-esc post..

You guys can still give some feedback and disagreements though and we can CORDIALLY talk about it under this post.

Love you guys!!

Spoiler: (Some tags)

@nwed @ICL @hate @Final Fantasy @appealisLAW @ecstazy @134applesauce456 @LEFORT17 @eyezen @iqletandrew73

mirin avi. low dose isotret for chronic oil production (im a teenager)

running 10mg isotret 3x a week 0.1 tret daily would be optimal imo

 

[Kojo]

mirin avi. low dose isotret for chronic oil production (im a teenager)

running 10mg isotret 3x a week 0.1 tret daily would be optimal imo

Sounds like a good protocol

 

[Tall midwit]

I agree and i was planning on making a post just about this, idk why retards keep saying Accutane to shit like pie and pih it doesn't shit and tret mogs it for skin quality, BUT i think you're underestimating the percentage of people whose glands relapse to high oil production again, they're not that small and micro dosing Accutane afterwards makes sense for them. Also Accutane can be good for oily people with acne as well. But good post bhai

 

[satanisnotred]

fagggot

 

[Tall midwit]

I agree and i was planning on making a post just about this, idk why retards keep saying Accutane to shit like pie and pih it doesn't shit and tret mogs it for skin quality, BUT i think you're underestimating the percentage of people whose glands relapse to high oil production again, they're not that small and micro dosing Accutane afterwards makes sense for them. Also Accutane can be good for oily people with acne as well. But good post bhai

Can be good for oily people without acne*

 

[Kojo]

BUT i think you're underestimating the percentage of people whose glands relapse to high oil production again, they're not that small and micro dosing Accutane afterwards makes sense for them. Also Accutane can be good for oily people with acne as well. But good post bhai

I agree with you and I'm not coming at you, but just like 90% of other people that read this post you're also miscomprehending the point. Yes accutane is an acne remedy, I'm not underestimating oily skin rebound/acne rebound that simply means use accutane again or perma dose.

But that's for a different cause, not anti aging or skin quality.

 

[Kojo]

Can be good for oily people without acne*

Topicals would already solve an issue like this.

 

[Tall midwit]

I agree with you and I'm not coming at you, but just like 90% of other people that read this post you're also miscomprehending the point. Yes accutane is an acne remedy, I'm not underestimating oily skin rebound/acne rebound that simply means use accutane again or perma dose.

But that's for a different cause, not anti aging or skin quality.

Yeah bad reading comprehension on my part ngl

Topicals would already solve an issue like this.

Salicylic acid? It's good for oil related failos like sebaceous fillments or pore decrease, but i was referencing that greasy skin look oily people get. What topical would stop that. Decreasing oil production is ideal for that.

 

[Kojo]

Yeah bad reading comprehension on my part ngl

All good brother

Salicylic acid? It's good for oil related failos like sebaceous fillments or pore decrease, but i was referencing that greasy skin look oily people get. What topical would stop that. Decreasing oil production is ideal for that.

Retinoids, they don't exactly decrease oil production or affect deep layers of the skin but they do dry out the upper layers of the skin which reduces that oily look. Gives you the smooth matte look you're going for. They also unclog and decrease the appearance of pores.

Edit: And yes salicylic would be good too, any kind exfoliation for that fact.

 

[snitch]

Accutane SERIOUSLY is overrated.

"Now why are you saying this Kojo, aren't you THE Accutane enthusiast??"

YES, I am, but it's so misused and coped about because of retards filling this forum and social media with tiktok info from a jester named CLAVICULAR.

Spoiler: My Reasoning.

This idea that you should just "microdose accutane" for skin maintenance is so retarded and is a pseudoscience Clav has pushed out arbitrarily. Accutane does not penetrate the epidermal or Stratum Corneum layers of the skin, which is literally what we all see and feel on our face. This alone is already why topical retinoids are better.

Studies also have shown that Topical retinoids like fucking tretinoin already beat out low dose accutane in photoaging, wrinkles and pigmented skin. Which is what matters for maintaining how good your skin looks mainly. (With some other factors I will address)

Spoiler: Studies!

Low-dose oral isotretinoin versus topical retinoic acid for photoaging: a randomized, comparative study - PubMed

Despite being safe and effective, low-dose ISO was not superior to 0.05% RA for advanced photoaging treatment.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Spoiler: Additional Reasoning (A bit Pseudoscientific but Reasonable)

Topical retinoids being applied directly onto the skin give it the advantage of changing the SURFACE of the skin. Accutanes main mechanism of action is the atrophy of Sebaceous glands (Located in the dermal layer), but being a retinoid it also does the other things the other retinoids do at a systemic level.

This is why it's also less effective for the skin because it's a spread out effect that comes from deep within the skins layers contrary to being localised onto the skin surface.

This is also why accutane can't get rid of Post-Inflammatory-Hyperpigmentation or Post-Inflammatory-Erythema, I like to think of Accutane simply as the ACNE compound not a skin compound all in all.

Skin cell turnover rate is another factor that matters but follows the prior principle of it being systemic vs topical. It sounds like an echo chamber but it matters a lot, the retinoids practically all have the same functions with accutane being a systemic version that affects the skin more deeper. But the localised action of topicals beat accutane out for skin APPERANCE.

So Kojo, if this is all true, what do you recommend I do for my skin?

Honestly I won't really overcomplicate it, You just need to attack your skin failos. Assess and diagnose the problem, look for what fixes it.

Spoiler: Methods!

PIH/PIE - Hydroquinone for 3 months, cycle off into Azelaic Acid to maintain your skin from the pigmentation. (for pie use azelaic acid too) Use a retinoid to actually permanently shed that outer layer of your skin that's pigmented.

Azelaic Acid and Hydroquinone are tyrosinase inhibitors so they aren't permanent they just inhibit the melanin on your skin whilst your retinoid will actually shed the skin permanently. It should be permanently fixed within 3-6 months depending on severity.

Acne - Full accutane course, meet a cumulative dose of 150mg * your bodyweight in kg. You will typically get rid of pih/pie after doing this course but if you're giga low inhib you can do it whilst on the course like me. it's burning the shit out of my skin but who cares.

Skin Texture/Glow/Collagen - Are mainly stimulated by skin cell turnover rate and exfoliation (removing dead skin cells from the skin) in which Topical Retinoids do for you and directly on your skin, alongside chemical exfoliants.

Pairing this with something like glycolic acid can help chemically exfoliate your face, I'd only do this once a week though to avoid over-exfoliation. But imo topical retinoids and a full accutane course will mostly do the job for glowing skin and a good skin texture. (I'm seeing results in 3 days on tazarotene 0.05%)

HOW WE WILL MAINTAIN OUR RESULTS.

Spoiler: Skin Maintenance.

Tazarotene/Tretinoin - Every single Night
Cleanser/Moisturiser - Every morning and Night (Water)
Chemical Exfoliants - Once a week (preferably glycolic acid after skin gets used to retinoid)
Sunscreen - For photoaging, Use whenever going out, especially on a sunny day

Just be hygienic in general, Drink a lot of water and change bed sheets weekly. Wash your hair too.

Keep. It. Simple.

Ngl this originally was supposed to a small discussion on why I think accutane is overrated for skin and how some people misuse it but I guess it turned into a guide-esc post..

You guys can still give some feedback and disagreements though and we can CORDIALLY talk about it under this post.

Love you guys!!

Spoiler: (Some tags)

@nwed @ICL @hate @Final Fantasy @appealisLAW @ecstazy @134applesauce456 @LEFORT17 @eyezen @iqletandrew73

what if im on accutane while having Hyperpigmentation on my face, like red and hole like things in my skin

 

[Kojo]

what if im on accutane while having Hyperpigmentation on my face, like red and hole like things in my skin

I went over this