Guide Advice on SARMs from coach with 5+ years of experience

2000lbclub

2000lbclub

2000lb total, 5+ years coaching experience
Joined
Dec 17, 2019
Posts
6
Reputation
75
Time online
6h 26m
I have some experience over the last decade of bodybuilding, researching and coaching, which I can contribute finally after lurking on looksmax.me. Read what I’ve written fully: to my knowledge there is nothing as comprehensive as this available anywhere else online. Sarms will be Illegal in 3months, so you need to order them asap.

What are SARMS?

Selective androgen receptor modulators or SARMs are a novel class of androgen receptor ligands. They have the same effects as steroids but are selective to only muscle and bones. This means that rather than effecting the full body, they effect only bones and muscles (Unlike steroids)


Benefits (gotten from high quality SARMs, shit products that are underdosed/fake won’t achieve these):

1. Great muscle gains (5-10kg weight gain after 8 weeks is expected for rad140/lgd). Dr.Tony Huge and Gregg Doucette agree that one month of SARMs= 6 months of natty training. I’ve seen this first hand on the people I’ve coached.

2. The severity of side-effects are much lower. For example, testosterone, a steroid, has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 100:100. Rad140 has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 90:1. Androgenic are the chemicals that cause side-effects (hair loss, acne), while anabolic chemicals promotes muscle growth. This gives insane gains without any long-term risks.

3. Its taken orally, so there are no injections plus no need for PCT, or AI (a pussy reason but makes a difference to some people)

Following are theoretical benefits as there have been limited human trials for SARMs. This is not because they are dangerous, but because they lack therapeutic application to be funded and approved by FDA. FDA doesn't want to do testing just for something which can be abused for muscle growth.

Theoretically:

4. Potentially increase height (Sarms suppress your hormones, since the androgen binds with androgen receptors to mimic the effect of testosterone. You won't feel low T, but estrogen is suppressed, delaying epiphyseal plate or growth plate closure, increasing the time you can grow)

5. Jaw/shoulder/browridge growth: Since SARMS are selective to muscle and bone, it increases bone growth. However, it is selective to dimorphic traits influenced by testosterone. Thus, bones influenced by estrogen such as hips will grow less causing the development of wide shoulders while hips remain relatively the same.

6. Changes in Fat distribution: Gynoid or estrogenic fat distribution stores fat in thighs and Breast, while Andriod fat distribution (high t) stores it in Abdomen, Chest, Shoulder and neck. This happens because of Estrogen suppression.

7. Prevent hair loss: By suppressing systemic Testosterone levels in the body and competing with Testosterone and DHT for the androgen receptor, androgenic activity in the body is substantially decreased. Suppressing DHT could act similar to Fin and decrease or even reverse hair loss.



SARMS vs steroids:

Steroids still outperform SARMs when it comes to muscle growth. However, sarms are effective enough that it doesn't matter; you can still achieve the most aesthetic body on SARMs within 1-2years. Steroids are for pushing over that limit.

Check out this transformation for example. First pic is SARMs only, and second pic is after steroids



So if your content with a body like shown below, you have no need for steroids


IMPORTANT NOTE

70-80% of sarms are under-dosed or fake. Since it is sold in the grey area as a research chemical, it's not FDA approved, implying companies can sell whatever they want without testing the chemicals. Therefore you want a third party tested source that gives reliable SARMs. The problem is that there are 2 types of tests done on the SARMs, qualitative and quantitative. Qualitative analysis will tell you if something is present in a sample while quantitative analysis gives you purity. Therefore, even if third party testing is used to confirm the substance, the purity is still unconfirmed. SARMs are also relatively expensive to buy (since they are in smaller scale, diminishing returns and lack of optimization makes it harder to produce cheap), so most sources sell under-dosed supplements.

Starting January 1st, Sarms will become illegal and all Chinese manufacturers will have to stop production of SARMs. Simple law of supply and demand, means this will increase prices drastically. The US also wants to make SARMs illegal in 2020 under schedule 3. This means that SARMs will be much harder to purchase, their purity will degrade, and they will become illegal on top of that. So buy it ASAP if you want to get a legit and relatively cheap product.

So unless you order from a third party verified source, you will have shitty-moderate gains. EVERY single person who says that sarms don’t work has bought a bunk product 100%. From the guys I've coached around 10 told me they tried SARMs and made no gains. When I gave them a proper source to buy from, they all made crazy gains. This post has no significance or contribution if it convinces you to go buy some under dosed shit and make no gains so make sure you use a proper source.

trusted source is Chemyo and I’ve recommended it to my athletes. From around 50 guys I’ve coached, not a single one has complained about a bunk product.


Chemyo have 3rd party testing, and even if the product turns out to be bunk, you can send it back if you don't want it. So unless you order from a legit source, don't complain or rant about SARMs not working. I’ve included Chemyo’s link because I don't want this guide to convince you to try SARMs, only for you to get cucked by an underdosed/fake product.


CYCLE GUIDE

Length: All cycles should be 8 weeks long. After 8 weeks, lowered estrogen and increased myostatin decreases gains. No PCT needed but usually time on=time off. However hormones generally recover after 34 days.

RAD 140:

Potent SARM. Good for lean mass gains. Very suppressive but manageable in short cycles.
Dosages Low: 5mg, Average: 10mg, High: 30mg

Dry gains with minimal bloat. Minimal water retention. Extreme strength increases. Strongest Sarm.
Androgenic:Anabolic ratio: 1:90 , as strong as 300mg-500mg testosterone


Studies: (No human trials as of yet)



LGD-4033 (now known as VK-5211 as Viking Therapeutics is taking over development (LGD -> VK is a name change only) )

Potent SARM. Low side effects.
Good for lean mass gains. Suppressive but very manageable for most people. No aromatisation so low gyno risk.
Dosages Low: 1mg (study dose), Average: 4/5mg, High: 10mg (diminishing returns thereafter)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22459616 ^/ ^http://biomedgerontology.oxfordjournals.org/content/68/1/87.long

The only reason to choose LGD over RAD-140 is because it has gone through Phase 1 human trials, other than this Rad140 should be your first choice.



Other recommended PEDS:

MK-677:

a long-acting (24h half life), orally-active, and selective agonist of the ghrelin receptor and a growth hormone secretagogue, mimicking the growth hormone (GH)-stimulating action of the hormone ghrelin.

MK677 significantly increases plasma growth hormone (GH) levels in both animals and humans (80%+). In addition, also stimulates body weight gain in animals. Stimulation of ghrelin causes an increase in hunger. If you follow my program and guide this increased appetite will be beneficial,
Also improves sleep, hair and skin quality


Cardarine:
Ultimate weight loss drug

Improves lipids, cardio increases, heart rate decreases, reduces inflammation, and improves fat oxidation. But don't listen to the idiots saying this is safe. It has been linked to cancer (at 104 week, 4x normal dose, in rats who are susceptible to cancer and were given a cancer promoting drug) However even human studies have been done and nothing was reported, and if you follow my guide it will be safe.







Blackpilled Cycle advice:

Cycle:

10mg Rad140 with 25mg Mk677 for 6 weeks followed by 10mg RAD, 10mg cardarine, and an appetite suppressant (optional). Get your shit from https://www.chemyo.com or else it has a high chance of being fake.

Reasoning for this: Rad140 for gains and minimal bloat. Mk677 for skin and hair (decreases acne and hair loss which is possible from Rad), increases growth hormone (builds new muscle cells) and also increases muscle recovery. Cardarine for weight loss and restoring lipid damage done by Rad140. An optional appetite suppressant to help with fasting.

Training/guide

1. Eat at 500calories above TDEE for 6 weeks. Eat high protein and high calcium for optimal bone and muscle growth.


2. Follow a Hypertrophy program. I made a program specifically for my clients like this: 8 week with 2 meso cycles. Emphasis on shoulders, traps, neck as these have the most androgen receptors, enabling crazy gains on SARMs. No need for deload. Volume and intensity is adjusted for cycle. Abs and arms are also emphasised. Usually for my clients preparing for BB shows I charge $500+ with coaching, but if you just want the program pm me and I'll give it for cheap. If not PPL programs works well also.

3. 1-2 weeks before ending cycle, cut at extreme caloric deficit (water fast even). Since Rad140 is anti-muscle wasting you will lose only fat. This is optimal as you can build muscle easy with a surplus, and quickly cut down the fat. This will give you nice veins and striations and a great dry look.

As a natty you could maybe gain 10kg of weight after a 5 month bulk, and after a long cut at a small deficit lose 5kg of fat and 2.5kg of muscle. Doing this cycle of SARMs, you can lose 5-10kg of pure fat and gain 5-10kg of lean muscle in 8 weeks.


Unlike other coaches I don't force people to bulk and become fat, and then cut it down. Even Vitruvian physique who has good looking aesthetic, looks terrible while bulking. This guy has been training smart for 12 years and still looks bad while bulking. that's why this method is perfect for those who want to gain crazy muscle and stay shredded year round.



If anyone is interested, I can write my approach to muscle building. Just comment and let me know and pm me for any questions/coaching. Hope this helps and clears some of the bullshit around sarms.
 
Last edited:
2000lbclub

2000lbclub

2000lb total, 5+ years coaching experience
Joined
Dec 17, 2019
Posts
6
Reputation
75
Time online
6h 26m
LowTierNormie said:
1 month of Sarms is equal to 6 months of Natty Training? Hard to believe tbh

Results of 8week rad cycle at 11.25mg ED
Do you think this could have been achieved in less than 6months of natty lifting?

This is not an outlier either, Check for cycle reports online; Adding 50lb to bench in 8weeks is the norm.
 
tincelw

tincelw

what would jordan do?
Joined
Oct 20, 2018
Posts
3,370
Reputation
6,162
Time online
124d 20h 57m
Good shit bro
what do u think about YK-11?
 
balding17yomanletcel

balding17yomanletcel

Abused Dog
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Posts
14,207
Reputation
19,445
Time online
135d 6h 45m
Dnr bro, you might want to add tldr for me
 
2000lbclub

2000lbclub

2000lb total, 5+ years coaching experience
Joined
Dec 17, 2019
Posts
6
Reputation
75
Time online
6h 26m
tincelw said:
Good shit bro
what do u think about YK-11?
Yk11 is different from Rad140 and LGD because it has the same chemical backbone as testosterone and DHT. Its technically also a SARM because it selectively activates the androgen receptor, but this term is applied loosely (even trenbolone is referred as a SARM in animal models)

Just by looking at how YK11 is synthesised (Combining DHT, Hydroxyflutamide, ascorbic acid, and β-glycerol phosphate) we can deduce that its a steroid and is less selective than the other true SARMS

Also its half life is 4hours which makes it tricky to dose.
balding17yomanletcel said:
Dnr bro, you might want to add tldr for me
If you can’t read something for 15minutes, SARMS are not for you
 
tincelw

tincelw

what would jordan do?
Joined
Oct 20, 2018
Posts
3,370
Reputation
6,162
Time online
124d 20h 57m
2000lbclub said:
Yk11 is different from Rad140 and LGD because it has the same chemical backbone as testosterone and DHT. Its technically also a SARM because it selectively activates the androgen receptor, but this term is applied loosely (even trenbolone is referred as a SARM in animal models)

Just by looking at how YK11 is synthesised (Combining DHT, Hydroxyflutamide, ascorbic acid, and β-glycerol phosphate) we can deduce that its a steroid and is less selective than the other true SARMS

Also its half life is 4hours which makes it tricky to dose.

Good to know thanks
 
R

Rezzbaby

Trainee
Joined
Sep 2, 2019
Posts
96
Reputation
104
Time online
10d 3h 1m
I live near this sarms lab so for me it would be cheaper: https://sarmking.com/

Do you if this site is legit or not?

2000lbclub said:
I have some experience over the last decade of bodybuilding, researching and coaching, which I can contribute finally after lurking on looksmax.me. Read what I’ve written fully: to my knowledge there is nothing as comprehensive as this available anywhere else online. Sarms will be Illegal in 3months, so you need to order them asap.

What are SARMS?

Selective androgen receptor modulators or SARMs are a novel class of androgen receptor ligands. They have the same effects as steroids but are selective to only muscle and bones. This means that rather than effecting the full body, they effect only bones and muscles (Unlike steroids)


Benefits (gotten from high quality SARMs, shit products that are underdosed/fake won’t achieve these):

1. Great muscle gains (5-10kg weight gain after 8 weeks is expected for rad140/lgd). Dr.Tony Huge and Gregg Doucette agree that one month of SARMs= 6 months of natty training. I’ve seen this first hand on the people I’ve coached.

2. The severity of side-effects are much lower. For example, testosterone, a steroid, has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 100:100. Rad140 has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 90:1. Androgenic are the chemicals that cause side-effects (hair loss, acne), while anabolic chemicals promotes muscle growth. This gives insane gains without any long-term risks.

3. Its taken orally, so there are no injections plus no need for PCT, or AI (a pussy reason but makes a difference to some people)

Following are theoretical benefits as there have been limited human trials for SARMs. This is not because they are dangerous, but because they lack therapeutic application to be funded and approved by FDA. FDA doesn't want to do testing just for something which can be abused for muscle growth.

Theoretically:

4. Potentially increase height (Sarms suppress your hormones, since the androgen binds with androgen receptors to mimic the effect of testosterone. You won't feel low T, but estrogen is suppressed, delaying epiphyseal plate or growth plate closure, increasing the time you can grow)

5. Jaw/shoulder/browridge growth: Since SARMS are selective to muscle and bone, it increases bone growth. However, it is selective to dimorphic traits influenced by testosterone. Thus, bones influenced by estrogen such as hips will grow less causing the development of wide shoulders while hips remain relatively the same.

6. Changes in Fat distribution: Gynoid or estrogenic fat distribution stores fat in thighs and Breast, while Andriod fat distribution (high t) stores it in Abdomen, Chest, Shoulder and neck. This happens because of Estrogen suppression.

7. Prevent hair loss: By suppressing systemic Testosterone levels in the body and competing with Testosterone and DHT for the androgen receptor, androgenic activity in the body is substantially decreased. Suppressing DHT could act similar to Fin and decrease or even reverse hair loss.



SARMS vs steroids:

Steroids still outperform SARMs when it comes to muscle growth. However, sarms are effective enough that it doesn't matter; you can still achieve the most aesthetic body on SARMs within 1-2years. Steroids are for pushing over that limit.

Check out this transformation for example. First pic is SARMs only, and second pic is after steroids



So if your content with a body like shown below, you have no need for steroids


IMPORTANT NOTE

70-80% of sarms are under-dosed or fake. Since it is sold in the grey area as a research chemical, it's not FDA approved, implying companies can sell whatever they want without testing the chemicals. Therefore you want a third party tested source that gives reliable SARMs. The problem is that there are 2 types of tests done on the SARMs, qualitative and quantitative. Qualitative analysis will tell you if something is present in a sample while quantitative analysis gives you purity. Therefore, even if third party testing is used to confirm the substance, the purity is still unconfirmed. SARMs are also relatively expensive to buy (since they are in smaller scale, diminishing returns and lack of optimization makes it harder to produce cheap), so most sources sell under-dosed supplements.

Starting January 1st, Sarms will become illegal and all Chinese manufacturers will have to stop production of SARMs. Simple law of supply and demand, means this will increase prices drastically. The US also wants to make SARMs illegal in 2020 under schedule 3. This means that SARMs will be much harder to purchase, their purity will degrade, and they will become illegal on top of that. So buy it ASAP if you want to get a legit and relatively cheap product.

So unless you order from a third party verified source, you will have shitty-moderate gains. EVERY single person who says that sarms don’t work has bought a bunk product 100%. From the guys I've coached around 10 told me they tried SARMs and made no gains. When I gave them a proper source to buy from, they all made crazy gains. This post has no significance or contribution if it convinces you to go buy some under dosed shit and make no gains so make sure you use a proper source.

trusted source is Chemyo and I’ve recommended it to my athletes. From around 50 guys I’ve coached, not a single one has complained about a bunk product.


Chemyo have 3rd party testing, and even if the product turns out to be bunk, you can send it back if you don't want it. So unless you order from a legit source, don't complain or rant about SARMs not working. I’ve included Chemyo’s link because I don't want this guide to convince you to try SARMs, only for you to get cucked by an underdosed/fake product.


CYCLE GUIDE

Length: All cycles should be 8 weeks long. After 8 weeks, lowered estrogen and increased myostatin decreases gains. No PCT needed but usually time on=time off. However hormones generally recover after 34 days.

RAD 140:

Potent SARM. Good for lean mass gains. Very suppressive but manageable in short cycles.
Dosages Low: 5mg, Average: 10mg, High: 30mg

Dry gains with minimal bloat. Minimal water retention. Extreme strength increases. Strongest Sarm.
Androgenic:Anabolic ratio: 1:90 , as strong as 300mg-500mg testosterone


Studies: (No human trials as of yet)



LGD-4033 (now known as VK-5211 as Viking Therapeutics is taking over development (LGD -> VK is a name change only) )

Potent SARM. Low side effects.
Good for lean mass gains. Suppressive but very manageable for most people. No aromatisation so low gyno risk.
Dosages Low: 1mg (study dose), Average: 4/5mg, High: 10mg (diminishing returns thereafter)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22459616 ^/ ^http://biomedgerontology.oxfordjournals.org/content/68/1/87.long

The only reason to choose LGD over RAD-140 is because it has gone through Phase 1 human trials, other than this Rad140 should be your first choice.



Other recommended PEDS:

MK-677:

a long-acting (24h half life), orally-active, and selective agonist of the ghrelin receptor and a growth hormone secretagogue, mimicking the growth hormone (GH)-stimulating action of the hormone ghrelin.

MK677 significantly increases plasma growth hormone (GH) levels in both animals and humans (80%+). In addition, also stimulates body weight gain in animals. Stimulation of ghrelin causes an increase in hunger. If you follow my program and guide this increased appetite will be beneficial,
Also improves sleep, hair and skin quality


Cardarine:
Ultimate weight loss drug

Improves lipids, cardio increases, heart rate decreases, reduces inflammation, and improves fat oxidation. But don't listen to the idiots saying this is safe. It has been linked to cancer (at 104 week, 4x normal dose, in rats who are susceptible to cancer and were given a cancer promoting drug) However even human studies have been done and nothing was reported, and if you follow my guide it will be safe.







Blackpilled Cycle advice:

Cycle:

10mg Rad140 with 25mg Mk677 for 6 weeks followed by 10mg RAD, 10mg cardarine, and an appetite suppressant (optional). Get your shit from https://www.chemyo.com/?ref=42 or else it has a high chance of being fake.

Reasoning for this: Rad140 for gains and minimal bloat. Mk677 for skin and hair (decreases acne and hair loss which is possible from Rad), increases growth hormone (builds new muscle cells) and also increases muscle recovery. Cardarine for weight loss and restoring lipid damage done by Rad140. An optional appetite suppressant to help with fasting.

Training/guide

1. Eat at 500calories above TDEE for 6 weeks. Eat high protein and high calcium for optimal bone and muscle growth.


2. Follow a Hypertrophy program. I made a program specifically for my clients like this: 8 week with 2 meso cycles. Emphasis on shoulders, traps, neck as these have the most androgen receptors, enabling crazy gains on SARMs. No need for deload. Volume and intensity is adjusted for cycle. Abs and arms are also emphasised. Usually for my clients preparing for BB shows I charge $500+ with coaching, but if you just want the program pm me and I'll give it for cheap. If not PPL programs works well also.

3. 1-2 weeks before ending cycle, cut at extreme caloric deficit (water fast even). Since Rad140 is anti-muscle wasting you will lose only fat. This is optimal as you can build muscle easy with a surplus, and quickly cut down the fat. This will give you nice veins and striations and a great dry look.

As a natty you could maybe gain 10kg of weight after a 5 month bulk, and after a long cut at a small deficit lose 5kg of fat and 2.5kg of muscle. Doing this cycle of SARMs, you can lose 5-10kg of pure fat and gain 5-10kg of lean muscle in 8 weeks.


Unlike other coaches I don't force people to bulk and become fat, and then cut it down. Even Vitruvian physique who has good looking aesthetic, looks terrible while bulking. This guy has been training smart for 12 years and still looks bad while bulking. that's why this method is perfect for those who want to gain crazy muscle and stay shredded year round.



If anyone is interested, I can write my approach to muscle building. Just comment and let me know and pm me for any questions/coaching. Hope this helps and clears some of the bullshit around sarms.
 
J

Joodz

Adept
Joined
Oct 21, 2019
Posts
112
Reputation
111
Time online
2d 55m
2000lbclub said:
Check out this transformation for example. First pic is SARMs only, and second pic is after steroids
Great guide. But this is wrong. The first pic is Logan Franklin peeled to compete. He is a top tier competitor......
 
2000lbclub

2000lbclub

2000lb total, 5+ years coaching experience
Joined
Dec 17, 2019
Posts
6
Reputation
75
Time online
6h 26m
Joodz said:
Great guide. But this is wrong. The first pic is Logan Franklin peeled to compete. He is a top tier competitor......
Glad my guide helped you.

You’re right bro. I took the photos from Aleksandar mitrevskis instagram account. In 2015 he posted a picture of Logan as a physique goal. My bad

This photo illustrates my point better: He was on sarms in 2017, and started with juice late 2018

Hard to say because even certificates of authentication can be forged very easily. Your best bet is just to see some reviews on reddit as those are most likely unbiased.

I don't want to recommend something which I’ve never used, but is it worth it potentially compromising on your health,gains, and wellbeing just to save a couple bucks?
Rezzbaby said:
I live near this sarms lab so for me it would be cheaper: https://sarmking.com/

Do you if this site is legit or not?
 
balding17yomanletcel

balding17yomanletcel

Abused Dog
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Posts
14,207
Reputation
19,445
Time online
135d 6h 45m
2000lbclub said:
Yk11 is different from Rad140 and LGD because it has the same chemical backbone as testosterone and DHT. Its technically also a SARM because it selectively activates the androgen receptor, but this term is applied loosely (even trenbolone is referred as a SARM in animal models)

Just by looking at how YK11 is synthesised (Combining DHT, Hydroxyflutamide, ascorbic acid, and β-glycerol phosphate) we can deduce that its a steroid and is less selective than the other true SARMS

Also its half life is 4hours which makes it tricky to dose.

If you can’t read something for 15minutes, SARMS are not for you
I have mental impairment bro not cool tbh, might shove ur sarms up your ass
 
Potatoshoe12

Potatoshoe12

Professional
Joined
Mar 29, 2019
Posts
997
Reputation
748
Time online
7d 6h 4m
I dont see a point in getting past your genetic potential, meaning around 90kg at around 12-14% BF at 184cm average frame. In that state you mog normies to death and it doesnt look comical. Sarms are a quick way to get there, steroids are faster one.
 
D

Deleted member 685

Zephir
Joined
Dec 16, 2018
Posts
27,685
Reputation
37,309
Time online
181d 21h 59m
Would the height benefits be too late at 17? I'm not sure what the best is to get at my age
 
loox

loox

.
Joined
Oct 5, 2019
Posts
9,904
Reputation
29,887
Time online
309d 15h 26m
good thread though. solid read. unfortunately i already bought my sarms so you're not gonna get any money from that referral link from me.
Potatoshoe12 said:
I dont see a point in getting past your genetic potential, meaning around 90kg at around 12-14% BF at 184cm average frame. In that state you mog normies to death and it doesnt look comical. Sarms are a quick way to get there, steroids are faster one.
agreed. I never understood why people say "you should reach your genetic potential before using sarms/steroids"

literally the whole point is getting to your natural potential faster so you don't waste years of your life looking like shit
Gudru said:
Would the height benefits be too late at 17? I'm not sure what the best is to get at my age
use mk677 100%. i think the rad140 and lgd4033 height increase theory is a little overblown, but they could enhance your facial and clavicular bone development so i would recommend them too.
 
D

Deleted member 685

Zephir
Joined
Dec 16, 2018
Posts
27,685
Reputation
37,309
Time online
181d 21h 59m
looxmakser49 said:
good thread though. solid read. unfortunately i already bought my sarms so you're not gonna get any money from that referral link from me.

agreed. I never understood why people say "you should reach your genetic potential before using sarms/steroids"

literally the whole point is getting to your natural potential faster so you don't waste years of your life looking like shit

use mk677 100%. i think the rad140 and lgd4033 height increase theory is a little overblown, but they could enhance your facial and clavicular bone development so i would recommend them too.
Yeah I'm getting MK soon, not sure what a good European source would be though. Definetly still wanted to use sarms for gymcelling though
looxmakser49 said:
good thread though. solid read. unfortunately i already bought my sarms so you're not gonna get any money from that referral link from me.

agreed. I never understood why people say "you should reach your genetic potential before using sarms/steroids"

literally the whole point is getting to your natural potential faster so you don't waste years of your life looking like shit

use mk677 100%. i think the rad140 and lgd4033 height increase theory is a little overblown, but they could enhance your facial and clavicular bone development so i would recommend them too.
I wanted to give hexarelin and cjc dac a try
 
tincelw

tincelw

what would jordan do?
Joined
Oct 20, 2018
Posts
3,370
Reputation
6,162
Time online
124d 20h 57m
Gudru said:
Yeah I'm getting MK soon, not sure what a good European source would be though. Definetly still wanted to use sarms for gymcelling though

I wanted to give hexarelin and cjc dac a try

Didn't you say mk677 grew your nose? careful buddy boyo, don't become like elfmaxx @elfmaxx who after ranting that mk677 grew his nose tried it again and ended up growing his nose even more.
 
Yahyeet

Yahyeet

Zephir
Joined
Jun 18, 2019
Posts
3,392
Reputation
2,843
Time online
86d 10h 49m
I lift since age 15 so I have 7 years of natty lifting. It’s legit but very slow
 
G

GetThatBread

Retired
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Posts
2,257
Reputation
3,230
Time online
69d 18h 22m
Which bones do they affect? Facial or it’s random
 
loox

loox

.
Joined
Oct 5, 2019
Posts
9,904
Reputation
29,887
Time online
309d 15h 26m
GetThatBread said:
Which bones do they affect? Facial or it’s random
basically all your bones except the pelvic bones. I assume the ones that would change the most are your clavicles/rib cage and facial bones.
 
Deleted member 3593

Deleted member 3593

Zephir
Joined
Oct 20, 2019
Posts
2,169
Reputation
2,562
Time online
57d 6h 25m
SARMs change your bones? WHere is this information come from?

EDIT: oh "theoretically"
 
D

Deleted member 685

Zephir
Joined
Dec 16, 2018
Posts
27,685
Reputation
37,309
Time online
181d 21h 59m
tincelw said:
Didn't you say mk677 grew your nose? careful buddy boyo, don't become like elfmaxx @elfmaxx who after ranting that mk677 grew his nose tried it again and ended up growing his nose even more.
Nah it was big regardless lmao, just stressed a bit over it
 
tincelw

tincelw

what would jordan do?
Joined
Oct 20, 2018
Posts
3,370
Reputation
6,162
Time online
124d 20h 57m
Gudru said:
Nah it was big regardless lmao, just stressed a bit over it

bro let me know how it goes. It's the one thing holding me back from trying mk677
 
B

Barbarossa_

If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying
Joined
Nov 24, 2019
Posts
1,337
Reputation
2,030
Time online
24d 2h 4m
Joined Dec 17, 2019
Messages 4

And has affiliate links all over his post!

Nice try but go fuck yourself and spam somewhere else
 
Last edited:
Deleted member 656

Deleted member 656

C'est la Guerre
Joined
Dec 12, 2018
Posts
7,768
Reputation
12,795
Barbarossa_ said:
Joined Dec 17, 2019
Messages 4

And has affiliate links all over his post!

Nice try but go fuck yourself and spam somewhere else
Just use another source tbh
 
Deleted member 3593

Deleted member 3593

Zephir
Joined
Oct 20, 2019
Posts
2,169
Reputation
2,562
Time online
57d 6h 25m
Barbarossa_ said:
Joined Dec 17, 2019
Messages 4

And has affiliate links all over his post!

Nice try but go fuck yourself and spam somewhere else

hahaha he was mentioning tony huge in his post no wonder. dude is a shit scammer and baits 18 year olds into buying 20 week sarm cycle with 4 compounds JFL.
 
Maxillacel

Maxillacel

Professional
Joined
Dec 2, 2019
Posts
931
Reputation
917
Time online
20d 5h 26m
tesla iq thread
 
D

Deleted member 3328

Banned
Joined
Sep 28, 2019
Posts
20,902
Reputation
39,972
Time online
198d 13h 20m
I'm getting it for sure
Someone has a reliable store link for Europe?
 
tincelw

tincelw

what would jordan do?
Joined
Oct 20, 2018
Posts
3,370
Reputation
6,162
Time online
124d 20h 57m
Barbarossa_ said:
Joined Dec 17, 2019
Messages 4

And has affiliate links all over his post!

Nice try but go fuck yourself and spam somewhere else

who cares tbh. Not like he is just spamming the link without contributing.
6ft1 said:
I'm getting it for sure
Someone has a reliable store link for Europe?

I ordered some shit from guy called MickSwig JFL. It was cheap af and he seemed like a nice guy, but its very small scale. If its good I'll let u know. he sent it in a porn video cover for me lol
 
D

Deleted member 3328

Banned
Joined
Sep 28, 2019
Posts
20,902
Reputation
39,972
Time online
198d 13h 20m
tincelw said:
who cares tbh. Not like he is just spamming the link without contributing.


I ordered some shit from guy called MickSwig JFL. It was cheap af and he seemed like a nice guy, but its very small scale. If its good I'll let u know. he sent it in a porn video cover for me lol
Ok lol
 
Zeta ascended

Zeta ascended

Satire
Joined
Sep 10, 2018
Posts
6,779
Reputation
9,996
Time online
117d 19h 5m
Rad 140 helped me. Made my bench go from 175x5 lbs to 205x5 lbs in 8 weeks. I also gained 5 pounds
 
G

GetThatBread

Retired
Joined
Nov 1, 2019
Posts
2,257
Reputation
3,230
Time online
69d 18h 22m
looxmakser49 said:
basically all your bones except the pelvic bones. I assume the ones that would change the most are your clavicles/rib cage and facial bones.

is there studies proven your facial bones will change? And if so; what way? Will you have a shorter midface? Zygomatic protrusion? Lower third Etc etc
 
tincelw

tincelw

what would jordan do?
Joined
Oct 20, 2018
Posts
3,370
Reputation
6,162
Time online
124d 20h 57m
6ft1 said:
but seriously,

Maxmusclelabs has good prices compared to the other sources, but since 3weeks they have ghosted me because they are out of stock.

Besides that Narrowslabs and Chemyo are the most trusted imo, the only problem is that Narrowslabs ships the package in a large style envelope which says "NARROWS LABS" lol
 
B

Barbarossa_

If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying
Joined
Nov 24, 2019
Posts
1,337
Reputation
2,030
Time online
24d 2h 4m
tincelw said:
who cares tbh. Not like he is just spamming the link without contributing.


I ordered some shit from guy called MickSwig JFL. It was cheap af and he seemed like a nice guy, but its very small scale. If its good I'll let u know. he sent it in a porn video cover for me lol
"Starting January 1st, Sarms will become illegal and all Chinese manufacturers will have to stop production of SARMs. Simple law of supply and demand, means this will increase prices drastically. The US also wants to make SARMs illegal in 2020 under schedule 3. This means that SARMs will be much harder to purchase, their purity will degrade, and they will become illegal on top of that. So buy it ASAP if you want to get a legit and relatively cheap product"

You know this is the same shit that all internet marketers do so you can buy there shit for a quick buck?!
Order now stock is low!!!

And I care because all "his couching experience" would be fake as fuck and everything he mentioned is copy pasted and fake!
There are a lot of young people reading this BS and they might believe it.

Now I'mma stop posting here cuz I want this thread to die and I suggest all of you to do the same
L @Lorsss GTFIH
 
2000lbclub

2000lbclub

2000lb total, 5+ years coaching experience
Joined
Dec 17, 2019
Posts
6
Reputation
75
Time online
6h 26m
Barbarossa_ said:
Joined Dec 17, 2019
Messages 4

And has affiliate links all over his post!

Nice try but go fuck yourself and spam somewhere else
Calm down bro, if affiliate links are not allowed my bad. The information is legit and not copied (only for the compound details there's some copied information as it has already been discussed on this forum_
 
Deleted member 656

Deleted member 656

C'est la Guerre
Joined
Dec 12, 2018
Posts
7,768
Reputation
12,795
Barbarossa_ said:
"Starting January 1st, Sarms will become illegal and all Chinese manufacturers will have to stop production of SARMs. Simple law of supply and demand, means this will increase prices drastically. The US also wants to make SARMs illegal in 2020 under schedule 3. This means that SARMs will be much harder to purchase, their purity will degrade, and they will become illegal on top of that. So buy it ASAP if you want to get a legit and relatively cheap product"

You know this is the same shit that all internet marketers do so you can buy there shit for a quick buck?!
Order now stock is low!!!

And I care because all "his couching experience" would be fake as fuck and everything he mentioned is copy pasted and fake!
There are a lot of young people reading this BS and they might believe it.

Now I'mma stop posting here cuz I want this thread to die and I suggest all of you to do the same
L @Lorsss GTFIH
There has been mention before numerous times that SARMs will be made illegal in 2020. It's not like OP is wrong per se, but he's obviously made the whole thread to try to make some money. The thread should function as part of a wider dialogue on SARMs. Let the gymcel experts come in and criticise the cycle.
 
tincelw

tincelw

what would jordan do?
Joined
Oct 20, 2018
Posts
3,370
Reputation
6,162
Time online
124d 20h 57m
Alarico8 said:
There has been mention before numerous times that SARMs will be made illegal in 2020. It's not like OP is wrong per se, but he's obviously made the whole thread to try to make some money. The thread should function as part of a wider dialogue on SARMs. Let the gymcel experts come in and criticise the cycle.


bro did X @x30001 ever tell you why he was so against SARMS? He told me that if i take sarms it will be the biggest mistake of my life.
 
Deleted member 656

Deleted member 656

C'est la Guerre
Joined
Dec 12, 2018
Posts
7,768
Reputation
12,795
tincelw said:
bro did X @x30001 ever tell you why he was so against SARMS? He told me that if i take sarms it will be the biggest mistake of my life.
Probably for the same reasons he disliked steroids;
- Risk / Reward ratio​
- They're something you have to end. They get you to an end goal you could reach without them anyway, only faster. But in practice the benefit reaching your ideal physique faster would bring is negligable.​

Keep in mind anti-aging was everything to him, and he knew his shit thoroughly. He didn't believe his prime was rapidly approaching its end because he was convinced he could look 20 at 40, and be in better physical health than he is now. There is no rush. Whether that's true or not remains to be seen.

"Biggest mistake of your life" is a little strong but because of his own miserable experience with phenibut I think he was just hyper paranoid about unknowns.
 
loox

loox

.
Joined
Oct 5, 2019
Posts
9,904
Reputation
29,887
Time online
309d 15h 26m
GetThatBread said:
is there studies proven your facial bones will change? And if so; what way? Will you have a shorter midface? Zygomatic protrusion? Lower third Etc etc
high androgenicity has been proven to have an effect on mandibular and brow ridge protrusion, and potentially zygomatic protrusion as well. it will not affect the length of your mid-face; it's impossible for hormones to make you skull smaller. Mid face and FWHR is determined prenatally and during very young developmental years, likely due to your androgen index in prenatal and prepubescent years.
 
bassfreak

bassfreak

Wizard
Joined
Dec 24, 2018
Posts
1,397
Reputation
1,545
Time online
15d 12h 34m
Very high effort and high IQ
GJ :feelsez:
 
Potatoshoe12

Potatoshoe12

Professional
Joined
Mar 29, 2019
Posts
997
Reputation
748
Time online
7d 6h 4m
Gudru said:
Yeah I'm getting MK soon, not sure what a good European source would be though. Definetly still wanted to use sarms for gymcelling though

I wanted to give hexarelin and cjc dac a try
Muscle zone /Hades (polish site) they are cheap af
 
Chintuck22

Chintuck22

Plushy Yoshi 🐸
Joined
May 16, 2019
Posts
7,909
Reputation
20,357
Time online
148d 1h 55m
2000lbclub said:
I have some experience over the last decade of bodybuilding, researching and coaching, which I can contribute finally after lurking on looksmax.me. Read what I’ve written fully: to my knowledge there is nothing as comprehensive as this available anywhere else online. Sarms will be Illegal in 3months, so you need to order them asap.

What are SARMS?

Selective androgen receptor modulators or SARMs are a novel class of androgen receptor ligands. They have the same effects as steroids but are selective to only muscle and bones. This means that rather than effecting the full body, they effect only bones and muscles (Unlike steroids)


Benefits (gotten from high quality SARMs, shit products that are underdosed/fake won’t achieve these):

1. Great muscle gains (5-10kg weight gain after 8 weeks is expected for rad140/lgd). Dr.Tony Huge and Gregg Doucette agree that one month of SARMs= 6 months of natty training. I’ve seen this first hand on the people I’ve coached.

2. The severity of side-effects are much lower. For example, testosterone, a steroid, has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 100:100. Rad140 has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 90:1. Androgenic are the chemicals that cause side-effects (hair loss, acne), while anabolic chemicals promotes muscle growth. This gives insane gains without any long-term risks.

3. Its taken orally, so there are no injections plus no need for PCT, or AI (a pussy reason but makes a difference to some people)

Following are theoretical benefits as there have been limited human trials for SARMs. This is not because they are dangerous, but because they lack therapeutic application to be funded and approved by FDA. FDA doesn't want to do testing just for something which can be abused for muscle growth.

Theoretically:

4. Potentially increase height (Sarms suppress your hormones, since the androgen binds with androgen receptors to mimic the effect of testosterone. You won't feel low T, but estrogen is suppressed, delaying epiphyseal plate or growth plate closure, increasing the time you can grow)

5. Jaw/shoulder/browridge growth: Since SARMS are selective to muscle and bone, it increases bone growth. However, it is selective to dimorphic traits influenced by testosterone. Thus, bones influenced by estrogen such as hips will grow less causing the development of wide shoulders while hips remain relatively the same.

6. Changes in Fat distribution: Gynoid or estrogenic fat distribution stores fat in thighs and Breast, while Andriod fat distribution (high t) stores it in Abdomen, Chest, Shoulder and neck. This happens because of Estrogen suppression.

7. Prevent hair loss: By suppressing systemic Testosterone levels in the body and competing with Testosterone and DHT for the androgen receptor, androgenic activity in the body is substantially decreased. Suppressing DHT could act similar to Fin and decrease or even reverse hair loss.



SARMS vs steroids:

Steroids still outperform SARMs when it comes to muscle growth. However, sarms are effective enough that it doesn't matter; you can still achieve the most aesthetic body on SARMs within 1-2years. Steroids are for pushing over that limit.

Check out this transformation for example. First pic is SARMs only, and second pic is after steroids



So if your content with a body like shown below, you have no need for steroids


IMPORTANT NOTE

70-80% of sarms are under-dosed or fake. Since it is sold in the grey area as a research chemical, it's not FDA approved, implying companies can sell whatever they want without testing the chemicals. Therefore you want a third party tested source that gives reliable SARMs. The problem is that there are 2 types of tests done on the SARMs, qualitative and quantitative. Qualitative analysis will tell you if something is present in a sample while quantitative analysis gives you purity. Therefore, even if third party testing is used to confirm the substance, the purity is still unconfirmed. SARMs are also relatively expensive to buy (since they are in smaller scale, diminishing returns and lack of optimization makes it harder to produce cheap), so most sources sell under-dosed supplements.

Starting January 1st, Sarms will become illegal and all Chinese manufacturers will have to stop production of SARMs. Simple law of supply and demand, means this will increase prices drastically. The US also wants to make SARMs illegal in 2020 under schedule 3. This means that SARMs will be much harder to purchase, their purity will degrade, and they will become illegal on top of that. So buy it ASAP if you want to get a legit and relatively cheap product.

So unless you order from a third party verified source, you will have shitty-moderate gains. EVERY single person who says that sarms don’t work has bought a bunk product 100%. From the guys I've coached around 10 told me they tried SARMs and made no gains. When I gave them a proper source to buy from, they all made crazy gains. This post has no significance or contribution if it convinces you to go buy some under dosed shit and make no gains so make sure you use a proper source.

trusted source is Chemyo and I’ve recommended it to my athletes. From around 50 guys I’ve coached, not a single one has complained about a bunk product.


Chemyo have 3rd party testing, and even if the product turns out to be bunk, you can send it back if you don't want it. So unless you order from a legit source, don't complain or rant about SARMs not working. I’ve included Chemyo’s link because I don't want this guide to convince you to try SARMs, only for you to get cucked by an underdosed/fake product.


CYCLE GUIDE

Length: All cycles should be 8 weeks long. After 8 weeks, lowered estrogen and increased myostatin decreases gains. No PCT needed but usually time on=time off. However hormones generally recover after 34 days.

RAD 140:

Potent SARM. Good for lean mass gains. Very suppressive but manageable in short cycles.
Dosages Low: 5mg, Average: 10mg, High: 30mg

Dry gains with minimal bloat. Minimal water retention. Extreme strength increases. Strongest Sarm.
Androgenic:Anabolic ratio: 1:90 , as strong as 300mg-500mg testosterone


Studies: (No human trials as of yet)



LGD-4033 (now known as VK-5211 as Viking Therapeutics is taking over development (LGD -> VK is a name change only) )

Potent SARM. Low side effects.
Good for lean mass gains. Suppressive but very manageable for most people. No aromatisation so low gyno risk.
Dosages Low: 1mg (study dose), Average: 4/5mg, High: 10mg (diminishing returns thereafter)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22459616 ^/ ^http://biomedgerontology.oxfordjournals.org/content/68/1/87.long

The only reason to choose LGD over RAD-140 is because it has gone through Phase 1 human trials, other than this Rad140 should be your first choice.



Other recommended PEDS:

MK-677:

a long-acting (24h half life), orally-active, and selective agonist of the ghrelin receptor and a growth hormone secretagogue, mimicking the growth hormone (GH)-stimulating action of the hormone ghrelin.

MK677 significantly increases plasma growth hormone (GH) levels in both animals and humans (80%+). In addition, also stimulates body weight gain in animals. Stimulation of ghrelin causes an increase in hunger. If you follow my program and guide this increased appetite will be beneficial,
Also improves sleep, hair and skin quality


Cardarine:
Ultimate weight loss drug

Improves lipids, cardio increases, heart rate decreases, reduces inflammation, and improves fat oxidation. But don't listen to the idiots saying this is safe. It has been linked to cancer (at 104 week, 4x normal dose, in rats who are susceptible to cancer and were given a cancer promoting drug) However even human studies have been done and nothing was reported, and if you follow my guide it will be safe.







Blackpilled Cycle advice:

Cycle:

10mg Rad140 with 25mg Mk677 for 6 weeks followed by 10mg RAD, 10mg cardarine, and an appetite suppressant (optional). Get your shit from https://www.chemyo.com/?ref=42 or else it has a high chance of being fake.

Reasoning for this: Rad140 for gains and minimal bloat. Mk677 for skin and hair (decreases acne and hair loss which is possible from Rad), increases growth hormone (builds new muscle cells) and also increases muscle recovery. Cardarine for weight loss and restoring lipid damage done by Rad140. An optional appetite suppressant to help with fasting.

Training/guide

1. Eat at 500calories above TDEE for 6 weeks. Eat high protein and high calcium for optimal bone and muscle growth.


2. Follow a Hypertrophy program. I made a program specifically for my clients like this: 8 week with 2 meso cycles. Emphasis on shoulders, traps, neck as these have the most androgen receptors, enabling crazy gains on SARMs. No need for deload. Volume and intensity is adjusted for cycle. Abs and arms are also emphasised. Usually for my clients preparing for BB shows I charge $500+ with coaching, but if you just want the program pm me and I'll give it for cheap. If not PPL programs works well also.

3. 1-2 weeks before ending cycle, cut at extreme caloric deficit (water fast even). Since Rad140 is anti-muscle wasting you will lose only fat. This is optimal as you can build muscle easy with a surplus, and quickly cut down the fat. This will give you nice veins and striations and a great dry look.

As a natty you could maybe gain 10kg of weight after a 5 month bulk, and after a long cut at a small deficit lose 5kg of fat and 2.5kg of muscle. Doing this cycle of SARMs, you can lose 5-10kg of pure fat and gain 5-10kg of lean muscle in 8 weeks.


Unlike other coaches I don't force people to bulk and become fat, and then cut it down. Even Vitruvian physique who has good looking aesthetic, looks terrible while bulking. This guy has been training smart for 12 years and still looks bad while bulking. that's why this method is perfect for those who want to gain crazy muscle and stay shredded year round.



If anyone is interested, I can write my approach to muscle building. Just comment and let me know and pm me for any questions/coaching. Hope this helps and clears some of the bullshit around sarms.
You are meaning 500mg dosage right?
 
Deleted member 3593

Deleted member 3593

Zephir
Joined
Oct 20, 2019
Posts
2,169
Reputation
2,562
Time online
57d 6h 25m
SARMs are so fucking tempting but I’m having a hard time buying “minimal side effects.” Never know it may cause cancer and every drops like flies 10 years from now. Testosterone is more studied, cheaper, and more effective but loaded with looksmin sides.
 

Similar threads

Dan5301
Replies
7
Views
370
TITUS
TITUS
Aliens95
Replies
6
Views
102
Aliens95
Aliens95
Cardiologyscribe
Replies
7
Views
138
Cardiologyscribe
Cardiologyscribe

Users who are viewing this thread

Top