Guide Advice on SARMs from coach with 5+ years of experience

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OP does ostarine cause ball shrinkage?
 
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Zeta ascended said:
Rad 140 helped me. Made my bench go from 175x5 lbs to 205x5 lbs in 8 weeks. I also gained 5 pounds

Did u notice any facial bone gains? Curious to know
 
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noped said:
Did u notice any facial bone gains? Curious to know
No
 
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Zeta ascended said:
Rad 140 helped me. Made my bench go from 175x5 lbs to 205x5 lbs in 8 weeks. I also gained 5 pounds
Nothing tbh. You could do that natty if u trained right. Speaking from experience
 
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Did sarms move his maxilla forwards


 
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You don't like ostarine?
 
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Sarms cause suppression and can also fuck up your cholesterol. There's no free lunch. Drug free is the way to be.
crosshold said:
OP does ostarine cause ball shrinkage?
Yes, it will eventually cause suppression. Not as bad as steroids, but why would you want to fuck with your endocrine system for short term gains?
 
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I liked this copypaste. But he never said about negatives. Is it cause of affiliate links? I discussed about SARMS with my friends
 
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FatmanO said:
I liked this copypaste. But he never said about negatives. Is it cause of affiliate links? I discussed about SARMS with my friends

possibly acne and hair loss, your cholesterol will get thrashed, and your hormones will be suppressed

but tbh I did it and i had 0problems. My acne actually decreased (could be because of hormone suppression)
 
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tincelw said:
possibly acne and hair loss, your cholesterol will get thrashed, and your hormones will be suppressed
Yeah but your still young so you might notice it yet. It might fuck up something later n the future for sure
 
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FatmanO said:
Yeah but your still young so you might notice it yet. It might fuck up something later n the future for sure

Yeah thats the problem especially if you dont take blood tests.
but tbh I'm sure that everything will recover
 
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tincelw said:
Yeah thats the problem especially if you dont take blood tests.
but tbh I'm sure that everything will recover
I hope so too
 
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I do believe that SARMs are safer than roids but saying that they have weak side effects is bullshit. Roids have been out for a very long time and because of that people have done a lot of research on them so we know pretty well what side effects you can get from them.
SARMs are relatively new, there hasn't been significant researchs done for most of them yet, so the sides effects are still unknown. People who used them have reported very different sides tho. this dude for example reported temporary vision loss while on andarine, the side effects could possibly happen anywhere in the body since those substances do not work only on the muscle.

If I was to take perfomance enhancing drugs I would take a low dosage of steroids cycle tbh, it's more effective and you know what side effects you will get. Most SARMs cause suppression and hair loss as well unless you are going with something related to HGH like MK677. Roids are way more effective, that's why I would choose them.
 
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Stare said:
Most SARMs cause suppression and hair loss as well unless you are going with something related to HGH like MK677
LMAO they literally don't cause hair loss, since they don't increase DHT, in fact, by lowering T and increasing free T, you get even less DHT so if anything sarms IMPROVE HAIR.

I'm not a broscientists either, I've actually been on SARMs and done bloods before, during, after to confirm this effect and hormonal changes.
 
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LMAO they literally don't cause hair loss, since they don't increase DHT, in fact, by lowering T and increasing free T, you get even less DHT so if anything sarms IMPROVE HAIR.

I'm not a broscientists either, I've actually been on SARMs and done bloods before, during, after to confirm this effect and hormonal changes.
What SARMs have you been on? Lots of them cause hairloss
 
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Stare said:
What SARMs have you been on? Lots of them cause hairloss
LGD-4033, MK677, Ostarine.

They don't cause hair loss, you've gotten a prohormne.

Only retards don't do bloods during, before, after cycle.

I did and my DHT was lower than ever on LGD.
 
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OCDMaxxing said:
LGD-4033, MK677, Ostarine.

They don't cause hair loss, you've gotten a prohormne.

Only retards don't do bloods during, before, after cycle.

I did and my DHT was lower than ever on LGD.
Are you prone to hairloss? If you don't have balding genetics nothing will make you lose hair. Arnold blasted roids for ages and never lost a single hair follicle
 
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Stare said:
Are you prone to hairloss? If you don't have balding genetics nothing will make you lose hair. Arnold blasted roids for ages and never lost a single hair follicle
yes, I am prone to hair loss
 
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OCDMaxxing said:
I did and my DHT was lower than ever on LGD.
is this bad for teens?
 
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tincelw said:
is this bad for teens?
i dunno, I would avoid if I was teen
 
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This is the same guy who wrote the modafinil as well as the viagra thread, larping as a coach. He just pushes some grimy affiliate links to make a few $$, if you cant see this you are low IQ AND low EQ tbh ngl
 
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LifeMaxxing said:
This is the same guy who wrote the modafinil as well as the viagra thread, larping as a coach. He just pushes some grimy affiliate links to make a few $$, if you cant see this you are low IQ AND low EQ tbh ngl
Pretty sure they were tincelw @tincelw, who legitimately does thorough research
 
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Pretty sure they were tincelw @tincelw, who legitimately does thorough research

Ofc research is good, but trying to promote viagra as some sort of looksmaxxing superdrug by tweaking and sugarcoating some studies... come on dude. It’s a pill that makes your dick hard
 
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Can mk-677 cause cancer?
 
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As someone who is actually on a cycle right now (LGD 4033 - 10mg, MK 677 - 5mg, Ostarine - 10mg), I can confirm the positive effects of SARMs; I have gained 5kg in 5.5 weeks, with the worst diet in history; 1/3 of the days I've been in a HEAVY deficit since I work 8-10 HARD hours 5 days a week, and naturally, I hate food, I used to fast for days as a kid as I was always lethargic. Some days I was in surplus due to serious force-feeding, and even then, only 200-300 kcal above maintenance, the other days I would've been within 100 kcal give or take, from my maintenance. My bench 1RM has increased by 17.5kg, my squat by 25kg, and I stopped deadlifting so rip. My arms have grown 1.5 inches, same with my bideltoid. My balls have shrunk a heap though, they used to be about 1.2x the size of a normal chicken egg (apparently that's big according to my mates idk), now they're about 0.9x the size, in just 5.5 weeks. I'm not stressed though cause I've got a super strong PCT protocol, and my mates, who have cycled on the same stuff, as well as a lot stronger and weaker shit, have had similar experiences, and bounced back in just 2-3 weeks.
I trained natty for 2.5 years (lazy, 3 days of low-intensity training per week, on and off every 3-4 months), gaining 12kg, and in just 5.5 weeks of SARMs I've gained 5kg - in both cases, I gained only muscle, and have lost considerable amounts of fat.
Oh and another side effect; GYNO - I naturally have it to a small degree and it has increased a very slight amount, to a degree that it got noticed... Once again though, my mates experienced the same thing, one guy's gyno faded in 4 weeks of PCT, but I'm not dumb, I realise that gyno and androgenic activity is very personal and unique to every individual.
All in all, it's been very worth it, I fill out all of my shirts very easily, get comments about my physique daily, people ask me for advice at the gym which I love cause, as you can see, I like to analyse shit in-depth and help people out.
 
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Following are theoretical benefits as there have been limited human trials for SARMs. This is not because they are dangerous, but because they lack therapeutic application to be funded and approved by FDA. FDA doesn't want to do testing just for something which can be abused for muscle growth.

(((FDA))) trying to cuck us out of our gains fucking faggots.
 
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What's a trustworthy source of SARMS in Canada?
 
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Idontknowlol said:
Can mk-677 cause cancer?
In high doses everything can.
 
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Does it come in a normal package? I want to order it but if my school sees it is from a company called “Chemyo”, then I’ll be in trouble.
 
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DaughterSlaughter said:
Does it come in a normal package? I want to order it but if my school sees it is from a company called “Chemyo”, then I’ll be in trouble.

Yes, I messaged them before asking them this and they said its a discrete box (although i didnt end up ordering from them). Just like you I shipped it to my schools post office lol.
Most sarms sellers are discrete so that it gets through customs quickly, only narrowslabs actually says narrows labs
 
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Has anyone here tried mk677? Tempted.
 
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Too$hort said:
Has anyone here tried mk677? Tempted.
Yep, good shit, but bloats the fuck out of you. Good for edemamaxxing
 
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OCDMaxxing said:
Yep, good shit, but bloats the fuck out of you. Good for edemamaxxing

I wanna grow my frame but it’s prob too late and I heard mk677 for a long time makes u retarded
 
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Stare said:
What SARMs have you been on? Lots of them cause hairloss
LGD lowered my DHT, so it helped my hair
 
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Thoughts on NarrowsLabs or PureRawz for LGD? 2000lbclub @2000lbclub
 
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Can you post a good training program for natties? I copied First programs of the Internet but they don’t work anymore I don’t make any gains anymore
 
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crosshold said:
OP does ostarine cause ball shrinkage?
Yes it did with me and a buddy of mine all the minimal side effects no pct required is just marketing

In studies even 5 mg of sarms reduces test levels by 300 ngdl however it also lowers shbg which makes u feel like ur not suppressed when u are
lasthope said:
Can you post a good training program for natties? I copied First programs of the Internet but they don’t work anymore I don’t make any gains anymore
Have strength days and hypertrophy days you will progress albeit slower
 
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Stare said:
Are you prone to hairloss? If you don't have balding genetics nothing will make you lose hair. Arnold blasted roids for ages and never lost a single hair follicle
Arnold became nw2 by the time he was in his early 30s.roids definately cause hair loss even in individuals who aren't "prone" to hair loss.
 
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I think the “Preventing hair loss” aspect is an unbelievable cope

Unless studies were posted with test subjects it’s just an abysmal claim to help justify the action of taking them for years on end.
 
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2000lbclub said:
I have some experience over the last decade of bodybuilding, researching and coaching, which I can contribute finally after lurking on looksmax.me. Read what I’ve written fully: to my knowledge there is nothing as comprehensive as this available anywhere else online. Sarms will be Illegal in 3months, so you need to order them asap.

What are SARMS?

Selective androgen receptor modulators or SARMs are a novel class of androgen receptor ligands. They have the same effects as steroids but are selective to only muscle and bones. This means that rather than effecting the full body, they effect only bones and muscles (Unlike steroids)


Benefits (gotten from high quality SARMs, shit products that are underdosed/fake won’t achieve these):

1. Great muscle gains (5-10kg weight gain after 8 weeks is expected for rad140/lgd). Dr.Tony Huge and Gregg Doucette agree that one month of SARMs= 6 months of natty training. I’ve seen this first hand on the people I’ve coached.

2. The severity of side-effects are much lower. For example, testosterone, a steroid, has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 100:100. Rad140 has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 90:1. Androgenic are the chemicals that cause side-effects (hair loss, acne), while anabolic chemicals promotes muscle growth. This gives insane gains without any long-term risks.

3. Its taken orally, so there are no injections plus no need for PCT, or AI (a pussy reason but makes a difference to some people)

Following are theoretical benefits as there have been limited human trials for SARMs. This is not because they are dangerous, but because they lack therapeutic application to be funded and approved by FDA. FDA doesn't want to do testing just for something which can be abused for muscle growth.

Theoretically:

4. Potentially increase height (Sarms suppress your hormones, since the androgen binds with androgen receptors to mimic the effect of testosterone. You won't feel low T, but estrogen is suppressed, delaying epiphyseal plate or growth plate closure, increasing the time you can grow)

5. Jaw/shoulder/browridge growth: Since SARMS are selective to muscle and bone, it increases bone growth. However, it is selective to dimorphic traits influenced by testosterone. Thus, bones influenced by estrogen such as hips will grow less causing the development of wide shoulders while hips remain relatively the same.

6. Changes in Fat distribution: Gynoid or estrogenic fat distribution stores fat in thighs and Breast, while Andriod fat distribution (high t) stores it in Abdomen, Chest, Shoulder and neck. This happens because of Estrogen suppression.

7. Prevent hair loss: By suppressing systemic Testosterone levels in the body and competing with Testosterone and DHT for the androgen receptor, androgenic activity in the body is substantially decreased. Suppressing DHT could act similar to Fin and decrease or even reverse hair loss.



SARMS vs steroids:

Steroids still outperform SARMs when it comes to muscle growth. However, sarms are effective enough that it doesn't matter; you can still achieve the most aesthetic body on SARMs within 1-2years. Steroids are for pushing over that limit.

Check out this transformation for example. First pic is SARMs only, and second pic is after steroids



So if your content with a body like shown below, you have no need for steroids


IMPORTANT NOTE

70-80% of sarms are under-dosed or fake. Since it is sold in the grey area as a research chemical, it's not FDA approved, implying companies can sell whatever they want without testing the chemicals. Therefore you want a third party tested source that gives reliable SARMs. The problem is that there are 2 types of tests done on the SARMs, qualitative and quantitative. Qualitative analysis will tell you if something is present in a sample while quantitative analysis gives you purity. Therefore, even if third party testing is used to confirm the substance, the purity is still unconfirmed. SARMs are also relatively expensive to buy (since they are in smaller scale, diminishing returns and lack of optimization makes it harder to produce cheap), so most sources sell under-dosed supplements.

Starting January 1st, Sarms will become illegal and all Chinese manufacturers will have to stop production of SARMs. Simple law of supply and demand, means this will increase prices drastically. The US also wants to make SARMs illegal in 2020 under schedule 3. This means that SARMs will be much harder to purchase, their purity will degrade, and they will become illegal on top of that. So buy it ASAP if you want to get a legit and relatively cheap product.

So unless you order from a third party verified source, you will have shitty-moderate gains. EVERY single person who says that sarms don’t work has bought a bunk product 100%. From the guys I've coached around 10 told me they tried SARMs and made no gains. When I gave them a proper source to buy from, they all made crazy gains. This post has no significance or contribution if it convinces you to go buy some under dosed shit and make no gains so make sure you use a proper source.

trusted source is Chemyo and I’ve recommended it to my athletes. From around 50 guys I’ve coached, not a single one has complained about a bunk product.


Chemyo have 3rd party testing, and even if the product turns out to be bunk, you can send it back if you don't want it. So unless you order from a legit source, don't complain or rant about SARMs not working. I’ve included Chemyo’s link because I don't want this guide to convince you to try SARMs, only for you to get cucked by an underdosed/fake product.


CYCLE GUIDE

Length: All cycles should be 8 weeks long. After 8 weeks, lowered estrogen and increased myostatin decreases gains. No PCT needed but usually time on=time off. However hormones generally recover after 34 days.

RAD 140:

Potent SARM. Good for lean mass gains. Very suppressive but manageable in short cycles.
Dosages Low: 5mg, Average: 10mg, High: 30mg

Dry gains with minimal bloat. Minimal water retention. Extreme strength increases. Strongest Sarm.
Androgenic:Anabolic ratio: 1:90 , as strong as 300mg-500mg testosterone


Studies: (No human trials as of yet)



LGD-4033 (now known as VK-5211 as Viking Therapeutics is taking over development (LGD -> VK is a name change only) )

Potent SARM. Low side effects.
Good for lean mass gains. Suppressive but very manageable for most people. No aromatisation so low gyno risk.
Dosages Low: 1mg (study dose), Average: 4/5mg, High: 10mg (diminishing returns thereafter)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22459616 ^/ ^http://biomedgerontology.oxfordjournals.org/content/68/1/87.long

The only reason to choose LGD over RAD-140 is because it has gone through Phase 1 human trials, other than this Rad140 should be your first choice.



Other recommended PEDS:

MK-677:

a long-acting (24h half life), orally-active, and selective agonist of the ghrelin receptor and a growth hormone secretagogue, mimicking the growth hormone (GH)-stimulating action of the hormone ghrelin.

MK677 significantly increases plasma growth hormone (GH) levels in both animals and humans (80%+). In addition, also stimulates body weight gain in animals. Stimulation of ghrelin causes an increase in hunger. If you follow my program and guide this increased appetite will be beneficial,
Also improves sleep, hair and skin quality


Cardarine:
Ultimate weight loss drug

Improves lipids, cardio increases, heart rate decreases, reduces inflammation, and improves fat oxidation. But don't listen to the idiots saying this is safe. It has been linked to cancer (at 104 week, 4x normal dose, in rats who are susceptible to cancer and were given a cancer promoting drug) However even human studies have been done and nothing was reported, and if you follow my guide it will be safe.







Blackpilled Cycle advice:

Cycle:

10mg Rad140 with 25mg Mk677 for 6 weeks followed by 10mg RAD, 10mg cardarine, and an appetite suppressant (optional). Get your shit from https://www.chemyo.com or else it has a high chance of being fake.

Reasoning for this: Rad140 for gains and minimal bloat. Mk677 for skin and hair (decreases acne and hair loss which is possible from Rad), increases growth hormone (builds new muscle cells) and also increases muscle recovery. Cardarine for weight loss and restoring lipid damage done by Rad140. An optional appetite suppressant to help with fasting.

Training/guide

1. Eat at 500calories above TDEE for 6 weeks. Eat high protein and high calcium for optimal bone and muscle growth.


2. Follow a Hypertrophy program. I made a program specifically for my clients like this: 8 week with 2 meso cycles. Emphasis on shoulders, traps, neck as these have the most androgen receptors, enabling crazy gains on SARMs. No need for deload. Volume and intensity is adjusted for cycle. Abs and arms are also emphasised. Usually for my clients preparing for BB shows I charge $500+ with coaching, but if you just want the program pm me and I'll give it for cheap. If not PPL programs works well also.

3. 1-2 weeks before ending cycle, cut at extreme caloric deficit (water fast even). Since Rad140 is anti-muscle wasting you will lose only fat. This is optimal as you can build muscle easy with a surplus, and quickly cut down the fat. This will give you nice veins and striations and a great dry look.

As a natty you could maybe gain 10kg of weight after a 5 month bulk, and after a long cut at a small deficit lose 5kg of fat and 2.5kg of muscle. Doing this cycle of SARMs, you can lose 5-10kg of pure fat and gain 5-10kg of lean muscle in 8 weeks.


Unlike other coaches I don't force people to bulk and become fat, and then cut it down. Even Vitruvian physique who has good looking aesthetic, looks terrible while bulking. This guy has been training smart for 12 years and still looks bad while bulking. that's why this method is perfect for those who want to gain crazy muscle and stay shredded year round.



If anyone is interested, I can write my approach to muscle building. Just comment and let me know and pm me for any questions/coaching. Hope this helps and clears some of the bullshit around sarms.
How do you know Logan Franklin was just on sarms on that first pic?

Also jfl at some of the claims of rad being as effective as 500 test or that it significantly increases shoulder widht. Just trying to bait some kids into buying his shit
 
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