Am I recessed? Really ugly? What can I do? 16 BTW

[najka]

I don’t know if it’s just the angle or what, but let’s just assume I look like I do in those ugly photos. So, I wasn’t directly breastfed, and things only got worse because of mouthbreathing. I started mouthbreathing around age 9 or 10(covid era)and kept doing it until I was 15. I think I really stopped at 16.

Mouthbreathing did a number on me. Now I’ve got a deep bite, TMJ issues, holy assymetry, narrow ahh palate(I used to have a wide palate bruh), sometimes it's also hard to breathe, a recessed maxilla and jaw/chin, a big nose that sticks out too much—probably because my midface is flat and recessed(big nose but still hard to breathe is js so weird)ect. I honestly don’t think this stuff can be fixed naturally anymore.

I asked ChatGPT about it, and it didn’t sugarcoat anything. It told me straight up that if my bones are already set, I’d probably need real interventions like braces, palate expansion, or even surgeries like Le Fort I or bimaxillary advancement to fix my facial structure and breathing issues. Basically, if your bones are recessed, no amount of natural stuff is going to fully reverse that except if you're really still growing.

All my uncles on my mom’s side are Chads, and my mom looks good too. My dad’s kinda sub-5, but I don’t think this is all from his genetics.

I’ve got a little brother who was breastfed directly and never mouthbreathes, and his forward growth is solid. I used to look way better than him when we were kids, but I messed it up with these habits. I feel like I lost my childhood potential.

Right now, I can’t afford anything like braces or even surgeries, so I’ll probably have to wait until I’m 25 or older to really fix it. But I still want to know everything I might need to do when the time comes.

 

[MaracasMogs]

You are very recesssed.
Change the category of the thread

 

[Foreverbrad]

You have SFS you need trimax.
And hair transplant cause your hairline is shit.
Your nose isn’t actually too big it’s just disproportionate to your lower third. Common normie mistake that leads to pointless rhinoplasties.

Apart from that you’re good (for your race). How is height? Might want LL if you’re short as you probably are.

 

[KJ7]

You have SFS you need trimax.
And hair transplant cause your hairline is shit.
Your nose isn’t actually too big it’s just disproportionate to your lower third. Common normie mistake that leads to pointless rhinoplasties.

Apart from that you’re good (for your race). How is height? Might want LL if you’re short as you probably are.

Have you had any of that done

 

[Zeekie]

ngl I didn't read half of what you said but...

I'm going to be as honest with you as I can, don't mean to insult you, but from a lens of OBJECTIVE FACIAL AESTHETIC STANDARDS, you're ugly, and subjectively too.

• Please shave your mustache.
• You're indeed recessed and a little downgrown.
• Your bigonial width isn't the best.
• Your neck could be thicker.
• You have comedonal acne.
• Your nose is a bit on the wider side and your mouth is pretty short, negatively skewing your mouth-to-width ratio. This is more of a racial trait, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
• Your chin is also on the shorter side in terms of width and length.
• Your eyebrows are not too thick, but they're better than the average! HOWEVER, you have virtually zero brow ridge projection and quite a bit of upper eyelid exposure, and an asymmetry there too.
• Also, please get a better haircut.

We could go over 1000 other facial metrics, but I think that's a little unnecessary, if you were able to fix just half of this you would be significantly more attractive.

As it stands however, you're a LOW TIER-NORMIE (3/10).

 

[Foreverbrad]

Have you had any of that done

I’m getting trimax along with infra in a few months.
My hair is OK for now and I don’t need LL.

 

[Zeekie]

I don’t know if it’s just the angle or what, but let’s just assume I look like I do in those ugly photos. So, I wasn’t directly breastfed, and things only got worse because of mouthbreathing. I started mouthbreathing around age 9 or 10(covid era)and kept doing it until I was 15. I think I really stopped at 16.

Mouthbreathing did a number on me. Now I’ve got a deep bite, TMJ issues, holy assymetry, narrow ahh palate(I used to have a wide palate bruh), sometimes it's also hard to breathe, a recessed maxilla and jaw/chin, a big nose that sticks out too much—probably because my midface is flat and recessed(big nose but still hard to breathe is js so weird)ect. I honestly don’t think this stuff can be fixed naturally anymore.

I asked ChatGPT about it, and it didn’t sugarcoat anything. It told me straight up that if my bones are already set, I’d probably need real interventions like braces, palate expansion, or even surgeries like Le Fort I or bimaxillary advancement to fix my facial structure and breathing issues. Basically, if your bones are recessed, no amount of natural stuff is going to fully reverse that except if you're really still growing.

All my uncles on my mom’s side are Chads, and my mom looks good too. My dad’s kinda sub-5, but I don’t think this is all from his genetics.

I’ve got a little brother who was breastfed directly and never mouthbreathes, and his forward growth is solid. I used to look way better than him when we were kids, but I messed it up with these habits. I feel like I lost my childhood potential.

Right now, I can’t afford anything like braces or even surgeries, so I’ll probably have to wait until I’m 25 or older to really fix it. But I still want to know everything I might need to do when the time comes.View attachment 3909064View attachment 3909054

Okay now I actually bothered to read what you said.

You can't get a palate expander, you're too old for that, it's MSE only. Get braces, get double jaw surgery + genioplasty and you're golden bro.

 

[Foreverbrad]

HOWEVER, you have virtually zero brow ridge projection and quite a bit of upper eyelid exposure, and an asymmetry there too.

This is so difficult to fix by surgery and the result may look uncanny due to race.

 

[FlotPSL]

Please shave your mustach

Is this gpt
If so how did u make it blackpilled?

 

[Zeekie]

This is so difficult to fix by surgery and the result may look uncanny due to race.

Absolutely true, I didn't say he should fix ALL OF THOSE, I was just concentrating on listing his most obvious flaws.

 

[Zeekie]

Is this gpt
If so how did u make it blackpilled?

ChatGPT is too nice to tell anybody that their mouth-to-width ratio is bad, I think

 

[FlotPSL]

ChatGPT is too nice to tell anybody that their mouth-to-width ratio is bad, I think

I thought because of the dots

 

[Zeekie]

I thought because of the dots

Yeah, I guess not too many people like to do the bare minimum when it comes to formatting over here

• I just think it looks nice

 

[iblamemandible7]

Yes you are resesed baised on your cefulametruc analisis

• Red: profail is overly convex
• Blue: Both lip asesments faled
• Yelluw: Unideel labia angel

Hear is sumthing moar ideel

Hear is how your frunt profail wud look

All morffs dun bye @Copercel

 

[iblamemandible7]

ngl I didn't read half of what you said but...

I'm going to be as honest with you as I can, don't mean to insult you, but from a lens of OBJECTIVE FACIAL AESTHETIC STANDARDS, you're ugly, and subjectively too.

• Please shave your mustache.
• You're indeed recessed and a little downgrown.
• Your bigonial width isn't the best.
• Your neck could be thicker.
• You have comedonal acne.
• Your nose is a bit on the wider side and your mouth is pretty short, negatively skewing your mouth-to-width ratio. This is more of a racial trait, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
• Your chin is also on the shorter side in terms of width and length.
• Your eyebrows are not too thick, but they're better than the average! HOWEVER, you have virtually zero brow ridge projection and quite a bit of upper eyelid exposure, and an asymmetry there too.
• Also, please get a better haircut.

We could go over 1000 other facial metrics, but I think that's a little unnecessary, if you were able to fix just half of this you would be significantly more attractive.

As it stands however, you're a LOW TIER-NORMIE (3/10).

Lucks a litel bit chat gee pee tee maxxed All so LTN is 4/10

 

[najka]

 

[najka]

Is it still good to hardmaxx untill 25+?

 

[Zeekie]

Lucks a litel bit chat gee pee tee maxxed All so LTN is 4/10

You fucking retard, fire up your neurons before you post anything.

No, that's not how it works. LTN refers to ratings in the 1.5 to 3/10 range, while MTN covers 3 to 4.5/10. Statistically, most women rate the majority of men around 3 to 4. That means this range represents the population average, by definition, that’s MTN.

Anything below the population average logically falls into LTN or Subhuman, while anything above that enters HTN territory and beyond.

If your argument were true, you'd basically be claiming that most men are LTNs, which doesn’t make statistical sense. You can't have an average that's below the average, that’s a contradiction. Yes, technically the mathematical midpoint of a 1-10 scale is 5.5, but in functional terms, the average rating given is far lower due to rating biases. That’s how the numbers work bro.

And this isn't even my own opinion:

A Concise Guide for Evaluating PSL Ratings and Male Beauty Characteristics

Because there has been an increasing influx of new members to the community. I have taken the initiative to create this manual in order to familiarize new members with the collective standards of beauty and the PSL scale. This guide will provide you with a comprehensive overview of what is...

looksmax.org

 

[Copercel]

Yes you are resesed baised on your cefulametruc analisis

• Red: profail is overly convex
• Blue: Both lip asesments faled
• Yelluw: Unideel labia angel

View attachment 3909172

Hear is sumthing moar ideel

View attachment 3909176View attachment 3909178

Hear is how your frunt profail wud look

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All morffs dun bye @Copercel

Nig what. I did NOT morphed this.

 

[iblamemandible7]

You fucking retard, fire up your neurons before you post anything.

No, that's not how it works. LTN refers to ratings in the 1.5 to 3/10 range, while MTN covers 3 to 4.5/10. Statistically, most women rate the majority of men around 3 to 4. That means this range represents the population average, by definition, that’s MTN.

Anything below the population average logically falls into LTN or Subhuman, while anything above that enters HTN territory and beyond.

If your argument were true, you'd basically be claiming that most men are LTNs, which doesn’t make statistical sense. You can't have an average that's below the average, that’s a contradiction. Yes, technically the mathematical midpoint of a 1-10 scale is 5.5, but in functional terms, the average rating given is far lower, due to rating biases. That’s just how the numbers work.

And this isn't even my own opinion:

A Concise Guide for Evaluating PSL Ratings and Male Beauty Characteristics

Because there has been an increasing influx of new members to the community. I have taken the initiative to create this manual in order to familiarize new members with the collective standards of beauty and the PSL scale. This guide will provide you with a comprehensive overview of what is...

looksmax.org

Hi bhai, unforchunitally you are seveerly retardid

In what world is 1.5/10 an LTN?? 2 and below is for literul subhumans with duformities / freek acksidence. The avurije helfty 18-25 yeer old man is around hi LTN too low MTN, AKA 4.5

Low LTN = 3.75
LTN = 4
Hi LTN = 4.25
Low MTN = 4.75
MTN = 5
Hi MTN = 5.25

ETC

 

[Lumaro]

I don’t know if it’s just the angle or what, but let’s just assume I look like I do in those ugly photos. So, I wasn’t directly breastfed, and things only got worse because of mouthbreathing. I started mouthbreathing around age 9 or 10(covid era)and kept doing it until I was 15. I think I really stopped at 16.

Mouthbreathing did a number on me. Now I’ve got a deep bite, TMJ issues, holy assymetry, narrow ahh palate(I used to have a wide palate bruh), sometimes it's also hard to breathe, a recessed maxilla and jaw/chin, a big nose that sticks out too much—probably because my midface is flat and recessed(big nose but still hard to breathe is js so weird)ect. I honestly don’t think this stuff can be fixed naturally anymore.

I asked ChatGPT about it, and it didn’t sugarcoat anything. It told me straight up that if my bones are already set, I’d probably need real interventions like braces, palate expansion, or even surgeries like Le Fort I or bimaxillary advancement to fix my facial structure and breathing issues. Basically, if your bones are recessed, no amount of natural stuff is going to fully reverse that except if you're really still growing.

All my uncles on my mom’s side are Chads, and my mom looks good too. My dad’s kinda sub-5, but I don’t think this is all from his genetics.

I’ve got a little brother who was breastfed directly and never mouthbreathes, and his forward growth is solid. I used to look way better than him when we were kids, but I messed it up with these habits. I feel like I lost my childhood potential.

Right now, I can’t afford anything like braces or even surgeries, so I’ll probably have to wait until I’m 25 or older to really fix it. But I still want to know everything I might need to do when the time comes.View attachment 3909064View attachment 3909054

you dont need surgeries

 

[iblamemandible7]

you dont need surgeries

No won needs cosmetic surjuries, but it wud definitally help him

 

[MOWANA]

ngl I didn't read half of what you said but...

I'm going to be as honest with you as I can, don't mean to insult you, but from a lens of OBJECTIVE FACIAL AESTHETIC STANDARDS, you're ugly, and subjectively too.

• Please shave your mustache.
• You're indeed recessed and a little downgrown.
• Your bigonial width isn't the best.
• Your neck could be thicker.
• You have comedonal acne.
• Your nose is a bit on the wider side and your mouth is pretty short, negatively skewing your mouth-to-width ratio. This is more of a racial trait, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
• Your chin is also on the shorter side in terms of width and length.
• Your eyebrows are not too thick, but they're better than the average! HOWEVER, you have virtually zero brow ridge projection and quite a bit of upper eyelid exposure, and an asymmetry there too.
• Also, please get a better haircut.

We could go over 1000 other facial metrics, but I think that's a little unnecessary, if you were able to fix just half of this you would be significantly more attractive.

As it stands however, you're a LOW TIER-NORMIE (3/10).

I feel this shit is chatgpt ngl

 

[iblamemandible7]

I feel this shit is chatgpt ngl

It is, he is a reterd

 

[Zeekie]

Hi bhai, unforchunitally you are seveerly retardid

In what world is 1.5/10 an LTN?? 2 and below is for literul subhumans with duformities / freek acksidence. The avurije helfty 18-25 yeer old man is around low MTN, AKA 4.5

Low LTN = 3.75
LTN = 4
Hi LTN = 4.25
Low MTN = 4.5
MTN = 4.75
Hi MTN = 5

ETC

Im gonna appeal to authority as clearly logic and statistics are too hard for your brain to understand.

On the following post, Emeraldglass (here since 2022, 10k posts, 19k rep) and with +83 positive reactions in said post, claims LTN is 1.5-3 and MTN is 3-4.5, consensus already disagrees with you.

But let's go back to the data, and start by even definiting what LTN and MTN are...

• MTN represents the average individual, most people you see on the streets are MTNs, because this is the average level of attractive for a man.
• LTN is below average levels of attractive.

Now let's talk with data, in the book "Dataclysm: Love, Sex, Race, and Identity--What Our Online Lives Tell Us about Our Offline Selves" research is citing suggesting that a large population of women, typically rate the average man as a 2/5, extrapolating that data onto our 1-10 scale we get that the average man is rated a 4/10. Research SHOWS that the average male is a 4/10 in terms of attractive according to women, HENCE AN MTN IS A 4/10.

You're wrong because you're trying to measure average through the mathematical midpoint (5.5/10) but this is inaccurate at best, the average man is not rated a 5.5/10, therefore MTN cannot be 5.5/10.

Case closed.

 

[Zeekie]

I feel this shit is chatgpt ngl

JFL bro, JFL...

 

[iblamemandible7]

Im gonna appeal to authority as clearly logic and statistics are too hard for your brain to understand.

On the following post, Emeraldglass (here since 2022, 10k posts, 19k rep) and with +83 positive reactions in said post, claims LTN is 1.5-3 and MTN is 3-4.5, consensus already disagrees with you.

But let's go back to the data, and start by even definiting what LTN and MTN are...

• MTN represents the average individual, most people you see on the streets are MTNs, because this is the average level of attractive for a man.
• LTN is below average levels of attractive.

Now let's talk with data, in the book "Dataclysm: Love, Sex, Race, and Identity--What Our Online Lives Tell Us about Our Offline Selves" research is citing suggesting that a large population of women, typically rate the average man as a 2/5, extrapolating that data onto our 1-10 scale we get that the average man is rated a 4/10. Research SHOWS that the average male is a 4/10 in terms of attractive according to women, HENCE AN MTN IS A 4/10.

You're wrong because you're trying to measure average through the mathematical midpoint (5.5/10) but this is inaccurate at best, the average man is not rated a 5.5/10, therefore MTN cannot be 5.5/10.

Case closed.

Get of chat gee pee tee sun I want to talk too YOU man to man, BOY YOU NOT NO ROBOT

 

[Zeekie]

Get of chat gee pee tee sun I want to talk too YOU man to man, BOY YOU NOT NO ROBOT

Immaculate ragebait bro, I feel so sorry that you're so utterly stupid that you cannot comprehend when someone actually tries to reason, something you apparently can't do.

Either way, you're wrong in terms of consensus and in terms of mechanistic data, the fact that you completely ignored the argument and had to resort to claiming I use ChatGPT as if that proves anything is evidence enough

 

[najka]

Have you had any of that done

Ofc not

 

[divisionpanzerfaust]

you dont need surgeries

cope

 

[valhalar]

You look fine for your age. Stop overthinking at the moment.

 

[Brian Weber]

I’d fuck u into the dirt boy if u got a chance