AN OVERVIEW OF AAS AND FACIAL CHANGES

[Avskinov]

BUMP

 

[Avskinov]

@kdev

 

[mirinnnasal]

I actually haven't got deep in to it
but for my knowledge anavar will be the right one
winstrol second
Primobolan

Proviron but depends on shbg level you wanna go doen from baseline

Anyways, consistent use of (aas) will lower it gradually

 

[Avskinov]

Anyways, consistent use of (aas) will lower it gradually

yeah

 

[Ahmed88]

Not a single molecule of evidence/studies + absolute shit thread + kill yourself

 

[Avskinov]

Not a single molecule of evidence/studies + absolute shit thread + kill yourself

YOU READ THE EVIDENCE TOO

 

[Ahmed88]

YOU READ THE EVIDENCE TOO

What the fuck are you talking about mate?

There is no ,,evidence" and everything you said is false

 

[Avskinov]

What the fuck are you talking about mate?

There is no ,,evidence" and everything you said is false

No evidenece i added didnt it load for ya

 

[Avskinov]

No evidenece i added didnt it load for ya

 

[Ahmed88]

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Are you fucking retarded?

This isn’t “evidence” of your claims, it’s studies in children with medical conditions, and some basic facts like endogenous testosterone being involved in normal puberty growth (yeah, no shit mate). And the funny part is most of these actually debunk your whole thread, because they explicitly talk about “catch-up growth,” “normalization of development,” etc.

 

[Avskinov]

Are you fucking retarded?

This isn’t “evidence” of your claims, it’s studies in children with medical conditions, and some basic facts like endogenous testosterone being involved in normal puberty growth (yeah, no shit mate). And the funny part is most of these actually debunk your whole thread, because they explicitly talk about “catch-up growth,” “normalization of development,” etc.

 

[Avskinov]

Are you fucking retarded?

This isn’t “evidence” of your claims, it’s studies in children with medical conditions, and some basic facts like endogenous testosterone being involved in normal puberty growth (yeah, no shit mate). And the funny part is most of these actually debunk your whole thread, because they explicitly talk about “catch-up growth,” “normalization of development,” etc.

You didnt fking read retard I talked about many different shit fucking read what are you gonna say roids will give bones out of your ass after 18+ + read it i said itworks for delayed growth + plus can you read the upper part of this + there isnt any experiment i found for giving roids in healthy childern

 

[Avskinov]

@Peco

 

[Avskinov]

@ICL

 

[v8sandweights]

Not coping cause im 18 or anything but the point you make that significant change not possible at that age is so wrong, I mean anecdotally there’s so many examples but I’ll just name androgenic

 

[Avskinov]

Not coping cause im 18 or anything but the point you make that significant change not possible at that age is so wrong, I mean anecdotally there’s so many examples but I’ll just name androgenic

No it can occur and i didnt say 18 ig i said 18 + yeah if the plate is open why not facial plate closes slower than bone so yeah youre right

 

[Ahmed88]

You didnt fking read retard I talked about many different shit fucking read what are you gonna say roids will give bones out of your ass after 18+

Nigga what?

What is there to read? You just claim shit without evidence, ,, saar pin it at 14 to 16 it will be the best time grow bones and bone mass saar"

 

[Avskinov]

Not coping cause im 18 or anything but the point you make that significant change not possible at that age is so wrong, I mean anecdotally there’s so many examples but I’ll just name androgenic

Yall not reading it well pls rep my guide One guy didnt even read read a single study for delayed growth and now is saying my guide is

 

[Avskinov]

Nigga what?

What is there to read? You just claim shit without evidence, ,, saar pin it at 14 to 16 it will be the best time grow bones and bone mass saar"

Sir im retard sir i dont know how to read sarr Whatever dude just get out from.here and

 

[v8sandweights]

Yall not reading it well pls rep my guide One guy didnt even read read a single study for delayed growth and now is saying my guide is

Yeah I repped dw bhai im mirin the thread and overall message

Just didn’t agree with that specific aspect and im glad you conceded to agreement

Much luck with whatever ur running rn

 

[Avskinov]

@Ahmed88 https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.22918 see this and tell me then we will talk

 

[peterk1287]

Wait till you down regulate and desensitize them

 

[Avskinov]

Wait till you down regulate and desensitize them

Havent talk about counter for this cause i just wanna get straight to point

 

[Ahmed88]

Sir im retard sir i dont know how to read sarr Whatever dude just get out from.here

What?

ARE YOU FUCKING EMPTY IN YOUR HEAD

NONE OF YOUR STUDIES ARE STUDIES IN NORMAL HEALTHY KIDS THEY ARE IN DISEASES LIKE DELAYED PUBERTY AND ENDOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE (TESTOSTERONE IN YOUR BODY) NOT EXOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE YOU NIMWIT

AND HERES THE FUNNY PART THEY LITERALLY SAY ,,The craniofacial measurements were similar in the treated boys as compared with the controls.,
Low doses of testosterone accelerate statural and craniofacial growth… leading towards normalization"

THIS IS ABOUT CATCH UP GROWTH


STEROIDS DONT GROW YOUR FACIAL BONES, THEY SPEED UP GROWTH AND CLOSE YOUR PLATES FASTER

@Ahmed88 https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.22918 see this and tell me then we will talk

I'm going to rape you

What does this have to do with steroids?

It's about facial bones growing in certain ages?????

 

[Avskinov]

What?

ARE YOU FUCKING EMPTY IN YOUR HEAD

NONE OF YOUR STUDIES ARE STUDIES IN NORMAL HEALTHY KIDS THEY ARE IN DISEASES LIKE DELAYED PUBERTY AND ENDOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE (TESTOSTERONE IN YOUR BODY) NOT EXOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE YOU NIMWIT

YOU CAN NOT FIND A GOOD RESEARCH CAUSE OF ETHICAL PURPOSE ONLY MECHANISM WISE PROVEN

+ SEE SECOND STUDY IS NOT ON DELAYED

What?

ARE YOU FUCKING EMPTY IN YOUR HEAD

NONE OF YOUR STUDIES ARE STUDIES IN NORMAL HEALTHY KIDS THEY ARE IN DISEASES LIKE DELAYED PUBERTY AND ENDOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE (TESTOSTERONE IN YOUR BODY) NOT EXOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE YOU NIMWIT

AND HERES THE FUNNY PART THEY LITERALLY SAY ,,The craniofacial measurements were similar in the treated boys as compared with the controls.,
Low doses of testosterone accelerate statural and craniofacial growth… leading towards normalization"

THIS IS ABOUT CATCH UP GROWTH

I REALLY EXPLICITLY MENTIONED THAT STUDY FOR DELAYED GROWTH ONLY IF YOU SEE

STEROIDS DONT GROW YOUR FACIAL BONES, THEY SPEED UP GROWTH AND CLOSE YOUR PLATES FASTER

YOU ARE RIGHT BUT I WANTED TO MENTION IT REALLY BUT I EXPLICITLY WANTED AAS AND FACE CHANGE IN NEXT PART I WILL TAKING ABOUT THIS I TALKED ABOUT THIS IN PREVIOUS THREAD MESSAGE +MY FAULT I DIDNT MENTIONED THIS I CAN EDIT MY THREAD ILL MENTION THIS TOO

 

[Avskinov]

YOU CAN NOT FIND A GOOD RESEARCH CAUSE OF ETHICAL PURPOSE ONLY MECHANISM WISE PROVEN

+ SEE SECOND STUDY IS NOT ON DELAYED

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I REALLY EXPLICITLY MENTIONED THAT STUDY FOR DELAYED GROWTH ONLY IF YOU SEE


YOU ARE RIGHT BUT I WANTED TO MENTION IT REALLY BUT I EXPLICITLY WANTED AAS AND FACE CHANGE IN NEXT PART I WILL TAKING ABOUT THIS I TALKED ABOUT THIS IN PREVIOUS THREAD MESSAGE +MY FAULT I DIDNT MENTIONED THIS I CAN EDIT MY THREAD ILL MENTION THIS TOO

@Ahmed88

 

[Ahmed88]

YOU CAN NOT FIND A GOOD RESEARCH CAUSE OF ETHICAL PURPOSE ONLY MECHANISM WISE PROVEN

+ SEE SECOND STUDY IS NOT ON DELAYED

Even in studies on kids with disease states/problems it says
,,Sex-steroid therapy does not appear to enhance adult height."
,,Normalization of craniofacial dimensions"
,,ccelerated by 2.46 ± 0.82 years during therapy…"
,,Testosterone … was significantly associated with the increased risk of advanced BA in boys."
,,Advanced bone age is associated with reduced remaining growth potential and lower predicted adult height."


Steroids speed up growth -> accelerate bone age -> same growth (or maybe less) and alot of other side effects

I REALLY EXPLICITLY MENTIONED THAT STUDY FOR DELAYED GROWTH ONLY IF YOU SEE

What?

YOU ARE RIGHT BUT I WANTED TO MENTION IT REALLY BUT I EXPLICITLY WANTED AAS AND FACE CHANGE IN NEXT PART I WILL TAKING ABOUT THIS I TALKED ABOUT THIS IN PREVIOUS THREAD MESSAGE +MY FAULT I DIDNT MENTIONED THIS I CAN EDIT MY THREAD ILL MENTION THIS TOO

Fair enough, but why make a thread if you knew roids onlt speed up growth? The roi is in the negatives, and you get severe side effects for 1 year faster growth

 

[Avskinov]

Even in studies on kids with disease states/problems it says
,,Sex-steroid therapy does not appear to enhance adult height."
,,Normalization of craniofacial dimensions"
,,ccelerated by 2.46 ± 0.82 years during therapy…"
,,Testosterone … was significantly associated with the increased risk of advanced BA in boys."
,,Advanced bone age is associated with reduced remaining growth potential and lower predicted adult height."


Steroids speed up growth -> accelerate bone age -> same growth (or maybe less) and alot of other side effects


What?

Fair enough, but why make a thread if you knew roids onlt speed up growth? The roi is in the negatives, and you get severe side effects for 1 year faster growth

ovevriew to successfully biohack next part

 

[Avskinov]

Even in studies on kids with disease states/problems it says
,,Sex-steroid therapy does not appear to enhance adult height."
,,Normalization of craniofacial dimensions"
,,ccelerated by 2.46 ± 0.82 years during therapy…"
,,Testosterone … was significantly associated with the increased risk of advanced BA in boys."
,,Advanced bone age is associated with reduced remaining growth potential and lower predicted adult height."


Steroids speed up growth -> accelerate bone age -> same growth (or maybe less) and alot of other side effects


What?

Fair enough, but why make a thread if you knew roids onlt speed up growth? The roi is in the negatives, and you get severe side effects for 1 year faster growth

so can i tag you in next part

 

[Ahmed88]

so can i tag you in next part

Sure

It better be no bullshit

 

[Avskinov]

Sure

It better be no bullshit

well this also didnt had any bull shit just not clarified well i have tagged you in my older threads

 

[Avskinov]

bump

 

[Kojo]

IN THE WINTER OF THE DARK ALLEY, THERE LIVED A MAN.

A MAN COMING FROM THE MIST OF COLDNESS,

COMMANDING LEGENDS THROUGH THE MOUNTAINS,

BRINGING HOPE TO THE DARK ALLEY.

A NAME FEARED BY LEGENDS AND THE PEOPLE OF ORG,

HIS NAME IS AVSKINOV.
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Hmm , as he was walking and guiding the people through the alley his one ally asked : sir, how does AAS works for facial changes . The legends of legends avskinov shook in fear remembered his past .

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He had past with trauma a pathetic man trolled him he was as fragile and as newbie as he could get at that time . but avskinov didn't lost any
hope . he rose through the fear and now

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CHAPTER 1: UNDERSTANDING THE DARK ALLEY IN SURFACE

Anabolic steroids also known as anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS), are a class of drugs that are structurally related to testosterone, the main male sex hormone, and produce effects by binding to and activating the androgen receptor (AR) . The chemical form of testosterone is (androst-4-en-17β-ol-3-one) . Anabolic refers to the skeletal muscle building properties of AAS, whereas androgenic refers to the induction and maintenance of male secondary sexual characteristics

Anabolic steroid - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Androgen receptor is a nuclear receptor by binding with androgen receptor it releases a series of proteins and genes

The androgen receptor (AR) which is also known as NR3C4 (nuclear receptor subfamily 3, group C, member 4), is a type of nuclear receptor that is activated by binding any of the androgenic hormones, including testosterone and dihydrotestosterone in the cytoplasm and then translocating into the nucleus.


In some cell types, testosterone interacts directly with androgen receptors, whereas, in others, testosterone is converted by 5-alpha-reductase to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), an even more potent agonist for androgen receptor activation

This pub med will tell you fully how androgen receptor works i dnrd some part of this site

Androgen Receptor Structure, Function and Biology: From Bench to Bedside - PMC

The actions of androgens such as testosterone and dihydrotestosterone are mediated via the androgen receptor (AR), a ligand-dependent nuclear transcription factor and member of the steroid hormone nuclear receptor family. Given its widespread ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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CHAPTER 2: LOVE BETWEEN AAS AND RECEPTORS LIKE THE MOUNTAINS AND DARK SKY

There are derivates of test and DHT but as you see you need to follow the one who is guiding you . but the legends of legends Avskinov i want more knowledge , ok as your wish

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Natty lifting is cope. JFL at spending a decade training optimally to end up as looking like someone that has just ended his first cycle. If you're serious about Looksmaxing, you're going to take every shortcut to achieve your goal. Why should I give a shit about roiding? A body halo is...

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WRITINIG THIS FROM PUBMED LEGENDS DOES WHAT LEGENDS WANT

Once in the system, AAS are transported to the tissues bound to binding proteins albumin, sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), corticosteroid-binding globulin (CBG) and orosomucoid. Under physiological conditions, testosterone is predominately bound to the first two, leaving only 1% to 4% of circulating testosterone unbound or free test or single test . SHBG binds testosterone with high love but has a relatively low binding capacity. Conversely albumin binds testosterone with low love and cold heart but has a virtually limitless binding capacity . SHBG is present in the bloodstream as a homodimer . Under physiological conditions about one third of the binding sites is occupied by testosterone, with further occupation by several other steroids rendering about 44% of SHBG-binding sites unbound . With physiological SHBG levels in the 10–56 nmol/L range, it is clear that supraphysiological dosages of testosterone saturate its binding capacity. Besides, supraphysiological dosages strongly decrease circulating SHBG levels. Thus, increasing dosages of testosterone result in a larger fraction of albumin-bound testosterone relative to the SHBG-bound fraction . It is noteworthy that SHBG has very low affinity for other commonly used AAS, such as nandrolone, methenolone, stanozolol, methandienone, fluoxymesterone and oxymetholone which is in slayer jhonas guide

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All this to explain free test btw now this free test will bind to AR (Androgen receptor )

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Testosterone is bioactivated into a more potent androgen in tissues expressing enzymes of the 5α-reductase family. These enzymes catalyze a reduction reaction at carbon 5, adding an α-oriented hydrogen atom. With testosterone as a substrate, this reaction yields the most potent naturally occurring androgen, namely, dihydrotestosterone (DHT). And DHT or test will regulate genes AREs (ANDROGENIC RESPONSE ELEMENTS )

Anabolic–androgenic steroids: How do they work and what are the risks? - PMC

Anabolic–androgenic steroids (AAS) are a class of hormones that are widely abused for their muscle-building and strength-increasing properties in high, nontherapeutic, dosages. This review provides an up-to-date and comprehensive overview on how ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

so what happens is not that AR binding with AAS generate AREs the thing that happen after binding with AAS is that the hormone-AR complex moves into the nucleus, where AR molecules often form dimers (pairs). The complex binds to specific DNA sequences called Androgen Response Elements (AREs) in the promoter/enhancer regions of target genes. These are typically palindromic or direct repeat sequences (e.g., something like AGAACA-NNN-TGTTCT) . Binding recruits co-activators, coregulators, and the basal transcription machinery. This upregulates (or sometimes downregulates) expression of androgen responsive genes which will then lead to muscle growth or muscle hypertrophy in whole body , development of male secondary sexual characteristics and other stuff like facial hair growth sebum production etc
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CHAPTER 3: SIDE EFFECT OF LOVE BETWEEN MOUNTAINS AND DARK SKY AND ITS EFFECT ON FACE OF VILLAGE


1.CHANGES OF BONEs DURING PUBERTY BY BLASTING

. Periosteal bone apposition and remodeling increase facial robusticity.

. Promotes growth of jaw (mandible), chin, brow ridge (supraorbital), cheekbones, and nose. Males develop broader foreheads, longer/stronger lower face, and more angular features.

Testosterone-mediated sex differences in the face shape during adolescence: Subjective impressions and objective features

Sex identification of a face is essential for social cognition. Still, perceptual cues indicating the sex of a face, and mechanisms underlying their d…

www.sciencedirect.com

Craniofacial growth was investigated in boys treated with low-dose testosterone for delayed puberty (> 14 years old; testicular volume < 4 ml; n = 7) and compared with controls (12-14 years; n = 37). Cephalometric radiographs, statural height and pubertal stage were recorded at the start of the study and after 1 year. Craniofacial growth was assessed by nine linear measurements. At the beginning of the study, statural height, mandibular ramus length, upper anterior face height, and total cranial base length were significantly shorter in the delayed puberty boys than in the controls. After 1 year, the growth rate of the statural height, total mandibular length, ramus length, and upper and total anterior face height was significantly higher in the treated boys than in the untreated height-matched controls (n = 7). The craniofacial measurements were similar in the treated boys as compared with the controls. These results show that statural height and craniofacial dimensions are low in boys with delayed puberty. Low doses of testosterone accelerate statural and craniofacial growth, particularly in the delayed components, thus leading towards a normalization of facial dimensions.

TLDR ; works for the guys with late puberty too

Effect of low-dose testosterone treatment on craniofacial growth in boys with delayed puberty - PubMed

<p>Craniofacial growth was investigated in boys treated with low-dose testosterone for delayed puberty (> 14 years old; testicular volume < 4 ml; n = 7) and compared with controls (12-14 years; n = 37). Cephalometric radiographs, statural height and pubertal stage were recorded at the start of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2.CHANGES OF SKIN AND FLUIDS OR FAT DURING PUBERTY


1 .Skin changes associated with AAS appear in the form of acne, which is caused by hypertrophy and an increase in the number of sebaceous glands, and thus increased secretion of sebum . SAAs also cause increased production of skin surface lipids. These changes are caused by increased sebum synthesis through direct binding to the androgen receptor in sebocytes and indirectly through induction of nuclear peroxisome proliferator receptors (PPARs), which are involved in sebaceous cell growth and differentiation

Adolescent acne: association to sex, puberty, testosterone and dihydrotestosterone - PMC

The manifestation of acne in adolescents coincides with the emergence of other androgen-dependent characteristics of puberty such as sweat odor and pubic hair. Yet, little is known about the associations with circulating levels of androgens. Thus, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

ARTICLE: Androgens, Androgen Receptors, and the Skin: From the Laboratory to the Clinic With Emphasis on Clinical and Therapeutic Implications - JDDonline - Journal of Drugs in Dermatology

INTRODUCTION The major steroid sex hormones, androgens and estrogens, play vital roles in maintaining gender characteristics, normal activities of reproductive organs, and other physiologic functions in different organ systems, including...

jddonline.com

THIS PAPER IS BIG HAD TO DNR BUT INCLUDES TOO


Terminal hair growth: Beard, mustache, and facial hair via effects on dermal papilla cells. cause .Androgen receptors are highly expressed in sebocytes and hair follicles


2 .Hypertrophy include skin hypertrophy so Androgens like testosterone and DHT (via AAS or natural surges) contribute to skin roughening or coarser texture primarily through increased thickness, enhanced sebum production, enlarged pores, and changes in epidermal/dermal structure. This is more pronounced on the face due to high densities of androgen receptors (AR) and 5α-reductase enzymes that convert test to potent DHT locally

Pubertal androgen surge drives sexual dimorphism in skin ( natural level of test in puberty and its changes in skin )

Male skin becomes ~20-25% thicker than female skin, with a tougher, rougher texture (thicker stratum corneum and dermis).
Increased sebum leads to oily, shiny skin with visible/coarser pores.
Acne and follicular hyperkeratinization (clogged pores) add to give rough feel.

Most prone areas on face: T-zone (forehead, nose), chin/jawline (high sebaceous activity), cheeks. Genetics (AR sensitivity) and ethnicity influence degree.

Longdom Publishing SL | Open Access Journals

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3.Androgen Response Elements (AREs) → altered expression of genes involved in adipocyte (fat cell) function, lipolysis (fat breakdown), and adipose tissue distribution. Testosterone promotes (male-pattern) fat distribution: less subcutaneous fat in limbs/face, more visceral (abdominal) fat. It reduces fat storage in estrogen-sensitive areas and enhances lipolysis via effects on adipocytes and enzymes.


Test undergoes aromatization to estradiol (estrogen), which can cause temporary fluid retention (bloat/water retention) and contribute to facial puffiness so you will also have bloated look from test reason

Elevated E2 promotes sodium retention in the kidneys (via influences on aldosterone and renin-angiotensin systems), leading to water retention

Does Estrogen Cause Fluid Retention?

This article answer the question does estrogen cause fluid retention. If you are on hormone replacement, birth control or trt, you should read this.

www.swintegrativemedicine.com

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IMP you will get bloat acne face fat reduction and increase facial muscle and rough skin and you will grow a beard and if you pin it at 14 to 16 it will be the best time grow bones and bone mass and if you are 16 like from 17 to 18 the mandibular growth will remain active in many males and some residual changes possible into early 20s but little
Approximate mean ages for lengths (mandible Ar-Me and maxilla PNS-PtA)

Onset: ~8.2–8.9 years
Peak velocity: ~13.3–16 years
Cessation or slowing down : ~19.9–20 years for facial bone growth ofc

Mandible and maxilla grow similarly in timing (earlier onset, later peak/cessation than cranial base). There is substantial individual variation some people finish earlier or later. Angles (e.g., gonial) often have later cessation than linear lengths.
After natural cessation (22+): Bone growth plates are largely fused. AAS won't reopen them for significant new length growth in adults. Any changes would be more about density mineral density , remodeling, or soft tissue/muscle hypertrophy effects

remember bone density is not equal to bone growth or length increase
The study explicitly notes that, looking at averages, both mandible and maxilla cease growth at approximately age 20 in boys.
https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.22918
so this apply same for supra orbital yes there is chance to grow supra till late puberty to early twenties but not as prominent growth as in early age ​

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CHAPTER 4: UNDERSTANDING THE DARK ALLEY IN DEPTH FOR 16 + ( AI FOR EASE )

Facial bones (craniofacial skeleton) do not close like long bone epiphyseal growth plates. Instead, they grow mainly through sutures fibrous joints and periosteal surface apposition/remodeling. Many facial sutures remain patent (open) much longer than cranial sutures, allowing growth into late teens and even early adulthood.


Maxilla (upper jaw): Growth largely completes earlier — often by 12–15 years. Forward/downward growth slows significantly after mid-teens.
Mandible (lower jaw): Continues longer. Peak growth during pubertal spurt (~13–15 years). Significant growth from 16–18 and even 18–20 years in many males. Maturity often reached around 16–18 years, but some residual changes possible up to 20–21+ years.

Facial growth in males 16 to 20 years of age - PubMed

Postpubertal craniofacial skeletal and dental changes were examined from lateral cephalograms taken when subjects were 16, 18, and 20 years of age. The sample consisted of males with no previous orthodontic treatment who had Class I skeletal and dental characteristics. Mandibular growth was...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Supra orbital ( brow ridge ) : Prominence accelerates dramatically during puberty (~12–16/17 years) due to androgen-driven periosteal apposition. Growth/robusticity largely stabilizes or gets really slowed by late teens to early 20s (~18–22 years)

Major sexual dimorphism and robust growth during puberty (12–17/18 years).

Stabilization occurs typically by 18–22 years, depending on the specific dimension (e.g., mandibular length, anterior face height). In ~20% of people, minor changes continue beyond that.

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Relevance to Exogenous Testosterone​

Best window (as discussed): Mid-to-late puberty (~13–17/18 years), when sutures and growth sites are still highly responsive. Low-dose T in delayed puberty boys (>14 years) accelerates mandibular length, ramus, and face height effectively.

After ~18–20: Limited skeletal expansion possible. High androgens may support minor periosteal apposition or density, but not the dramatic growth. Most adult changes are soft tissue (fat redistribution, muscle and skin).
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HOPE I LET YA KNOW

Didn't read a singular molecule of this thread, 99% of the time someone has an opinion on roids and bones it's utter bullshit that's miscomprehended from studies and the literature overall

This is probably shit as fuck

I mean if we're being honest, there's no way people think the distinction in people with a lot of periosteal apposition and people without is their sex steroid levels lmfao there's so much more complex genes and gene responses that determine this, hop off the roid cope for face.

 

[Avskinov]

Didn't read a singular molecule of this thread, 99% of the time someone has an opinion on roids and bones it's utter bullshit that's miscomprehended from studies and the literature overall

This is probably shit as fuck

I mean if we're being honest, there's no way people think the distinction in people with a lot of periosteal apposition and people without is their sex steroid levels lmfao there's so much more complex genes and gene responses that determine this, hop off the roid cope for face.

I SAID ITS COPE FOR FACE MOST LIKELY