angularity shouldnt be a pillar

[xye]

angularity should be distributed between misc and dimo
when rating female faces 10 ang and 10 dimo is contradictory
and if we change the ideal for angularity for females its gonna be something that isnt very impressive and the top 40% of women will all have 9+ angularity
angularity also isnt as important as any of the other pillars
having poor harmony, misc, or dimo (though dimo less so) can be very brutal
but poor ang? that alone cannot do nearly as much to your face
angularity should be accounted for heavily in ratings but not as an individual pillar

 

[Thief]

Dgaf but +1

 

[xye]

@pfl @killcry @horseman. @ltnbrownacnecel @valentine

 

[samo.]

dnr

 

[Jordan Barrett]

Dgaf but +1

 

[valentine]

 

[xye]

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i mean im not saying it doesnt matter, but making it its own pillar and placing it alongside the likes of harmony and misc is counterproductive, it should be accounted for as part of misc and dimo

 

[valentine]

i mean im not saying it doesnt matter, but making it its own pillar and placing it alongside the likes of harmony and misc is counterproductive, it should be accounted for as part of misc and dimo

harmony formula is problematic i dont like it

 

[6’7whitechad]

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[killcry]

@pfl @killcry @horseman. @ltnbrownacnecel @valentine

I agree but every pillar is important and contributes to the other and its level of contribution is so fine that it can't accurately be represented in any formula that isnt 25/25/25/25, anything else would just be bias

 

[killcry]

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Superb example

 

[killcry]

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@xye How would you deduct him for having no angularity in this kind of system

 

[xye]

harmony formula is problematic i dont like it

i mean a lot of times it can seem as though the rating system is harmony centered but harmony is the backbone of the rating system. without harmony all we have really is just misc (dimo is really just a combination of both misc and harmony but i think that giving it its own pillar IS essential and productive), and misc does not account for proportional flaws, such as esr, tfwhr, and midface ratio which prove very important in facial aesthetics. judging people based off misc entirely leaves a major hole in the rating system, and at that point what REALLY separates us from normies rating faces?

 

[xye]

@xye How would you deduct him for having no angularity in this kind of system

his misc and dimo scores would be notably lower

 

[valentine]

i mean a lot of times it can seem as though the rating system is harmony centered but harmony is the backbone of the rating system. without harmony all we have really is just misc (dimo is really just a combination of both misc and harmony but i think that giving it its own pillar IS essential and productive), and misc does not account for proportional flaws, such as esr, tfwhr, and midface ratio which prove very important in facial aesthetics. judging people based off misc entirely leaves a major hole in the rating system, and at that point what REALLY separates us from normies rating faces?

too high harmony leads to same face syndrome where you start losing uniqueness and become a generic chad

supposedly there's a huge difference in their harmony scores but i think they're on the same looks level

faces with not too high harmony are more memorable and interesting to look at

 

[jeremyy]

angularity should be distributed between misc and dimo
when rating female faces 10 ang and 10 dimo is contradictory
and if we change the ideal for angularity for females its gonna be something that isnt very impressive and the top 40% of women will all have 9+ angularity
angularity also isnt as important as any of the other pillars
having poor harmony, misc, or dimo (though dimo less so) can be very brutal
but poor ang? that alone cannot do nearly as much to your face
angularity should be accounted for heavily in ratings but not as an individual pillar

I remember BGM was obsessed with angularity lmao. Ang this ang that

 

[xye]

I agree but every pillar is important and contributes to the other and its level of contribution is so fine that it can't accurately be represented in any formula that isnt 25/25/25/25, anything else would just be bias

i mean just because it has the status of pillar doesnt mean we should assume everything is equal
i think its pretty obvious that having hollow cheeks and prominent zygos is not on the same par as having top tier misc, which is practically every facial feature that isnt based on proportion, definitely much more important

 

[SilvioMoltisantiDan]

too high harmony leads to same face syndrome where you start losing uniqueness and become a generic chad
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supposedly there's a huge difference in their harmony scores but i think they're on the same looks level

faces with not too high harmony are more memorable and interesting to look at

ramblings dnr harmonylet cope

 

[xye]

too high harmony leads to same face syndrome where you start losing uniqueness and become a generic chad
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supposedly there's a huge difference in their harmony scores but i think they're on the same looks level

faces with not too high harmony are more memorable and interesting to look at

havent really taken either of their harm scores but i dont think somerhalders is as low as some people make it out to be
though i would say both are chads bomer is definitely better looking since he takes harmony, misc, and dimo

 

[valentine]

ramblings dnr harmonylet cope

too high harmony is a flaw
you have low iq

havent really taken either of their harm scores but i dont think somerhalders is as low as some people make it out to be
though i would say both are chads bomer is definitely better looking since he takes harmony, misc, and dimo

 

[killcry]

i mean just because it has the status of pillar doesnt mean we should assume everything is equal
i think its pretty obvious that having hollow cheeks and prominent zygos is not on the same par as having top tier misc, which is practically every facial feature that isnt based on proportion, definitely much more important

Having hollow cheeks and prominent zygos influences several harmony ratios and bone/feature miscellaneous scoring and influences dimorphism lol

So the example u gave is bad

 

[killcry]

too high harmony leads to same face syndrome where you start losing uniqueness and become a generic chad
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supposedly there's a huge difference in their harmony scores but i think they're on the same looks level

faces with not too high harmony are more memorable and interesting to look at

Somerhalder mogs

too high harmony is a flaw
you have low iq

It's not bomer isn't a good example

 

[xye]

too high harmony is a flaw
you have low iq

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well i mean hes deteriorated with age. when i rate bomer im always thinking of this one pic:

nnow that i think about it though his harm prob isnt as high as evb says it is. i saw a thread where sm1 got it at 76

 

[killcry]

well i mean hes deteriorated with age. when i rate bomer im always thinking of this one pic:
View attachment 5603913nnow that i think about it though his harm prob isnt as high as evb says it is. i saw a thread where sm1 got it at 76

Chadlite

 

[xye]

Chadlite

no one you think is chad mogs him

 

[truefoidslayerpqoqo]

angularity should be distributed between misc and dimo
when rating female faces 10 ang and 10 dimo is contradictory
and if we change the ideal for angularity for females its gonna be something that isnt very impressive and the top 40% of women will all have 9+ angularity
angularity also isnt as important as any of the other pillars
having poor harmony, misc, or dimo (though dimo less so) can be very brutal
but poor ang? that alone cannot do nearly as much to your face
angularity should be accounted for heavily in ratings but not as an individual pillar

Dnr

 

[killcry]

no one you think is chad mogs him

They definitely do

 

[valentine]

well i mean hes deteriorated with age. when i rate bomer im always thinking of this one pic:
View attachment 5603913nnow that i think about it though his harm prob isnt as high as evb says it is. i saw a thread where sm1 got it at 76

i dont like it because the dataset was most likely created using very specific faces that all look alike
theres many people with elite level beauty who have large "harmony flaws"
i just associate it with tiktokcels calling everyone harmonylets not realizing that uniqueness is also an important factor to have top tier beauty meaning having 100% wouldnt be ideal because you would just look like a basic chad

 

[killcry]

i dont like it because the dataset was most likely created using very specific faces that all look alike
theres many people with elite level beauty who have large "harmony flaws"
i just associate it with tiktokcels calling everyone harmonylets not realizing that uniqueness is also an important factor to have top tier beauty meaning having 100% wouldnt be ideal because you would just look like a basic chad

This is why eyeballing is law

 

[xye]

i dont like it because the dataset was most likely created using very specific faces that all look alike

dataset was made off of a bunch of noticeably attractive faces that were averaged and the standard deviation was taken

 

[valentine]

dataset was made off of a bunch of noticeably attractive faces that were averaged and the standard deviation was taken

are the "attractive" faces just a bunch of psl autist models or actually good looking faces with high appeal
is this why 1:1 midface and wide esr is "ideal"
they shouldve just used faces of actors with most female fans

 

[xye]

you would just look like a basic chad

honestly imo the basic chad look is ideal you dont need strikingness to be attractive

 

[xye]

they shouldve just used faces of actors with most female fans

no

these cannot be the harmony standard

are the "attractive" faces just a bunch of psl autist models or actually good looking faces with high appeal

a mix of both

 

[killcry]

honestly imo the basic chad look is ideal you dont need strikingness to be attractive

You need to be striking to be high cl

 

[killcry]

no View attachment 5603948View attachment 5603951View attachment 5603952these cannot be the harmony standard

a mix of both

They can or just admit ur appealing to notions that r arbitrary which is the flaw with harmony

 

[valentine]

no

lol
why no
im sure if you really gathered a large enough sample size of faces and averaged it out you would get an attractive face with higher everyday appeal than psl models

and the ideal range of ratios would be different

 

[iblamethievesz]

angularity should be distributed between misc and dimo
when rating female faces 10 ang and 10 dimo is contradictory
and if we change the ideal for angularity for females its gonna be something that isnt very impressive and the top 40% of women will all have 9+ angularity
angularity also isnt as important as any of the other pillars
having poor harmony, misc, or dimo (though dimo less so) can be very brutal
but poor ang? that alone cannot do nearly as much to your face
angularity should be accounted for heavily in ratings but not as an individual pillar

high iq take

 

[xye]

You need to be striking to be high cl

you can be well into the chad range without being very striking

 

[killcry]

lol
why no
im sure if you really gathered a large enough sample size of faces and averaged it out you would get an attractive face with higher everyday appeal than psl models

and the ideal range of ratios would be different

Yup but no one here is a statistician or a scientist so no one will ever do this

 

[killcry]

you can be well into the chad range without being very striking View attachment 5603963

Give me his stats rq to prove he's chad in this photo
And he is striking

 

[xye]

They can or just admit ur appealing to notions that r arbitrary which is the flaw with harmony

any rating is arbitrary

 

[valentine]

you can be well into the chad range without being very striking View attachment 5603963

ok but his coloring is unique and he has an overall softer look to him with lower angularity than most chads which is why his face stands out

 

[xye]

Give me his stats rq to prove he's chad in this photo
And he is striking

id guess his harmonys like 9, misc 8.5, dimo 8, ang 6

 

[xye]

ok but his coloring is unique and he has an overall softer look to him with lower angularity than most chads which is why his face stands out

well i mean you could aloso add that since he has 9 harm he stands out

 

[killcry]

id guess his harmonys like 9, misc 8.5, dimo 8, ang 6

No no no and no lmao

any rating is arbitrary

Not when yk what you're talking about

 

[valentine]

well i mean you could aloso add that since he has 9 harm he stands out

have you actually measured it
with an unedited undistorted shot

 

[xye]

have you actually measured it
with an unedited undistorted shot
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i havent, i heard he has 9 harm
which with my formula would probably not work out because drago has 8.7

 

[xye]

Not when yk what you're talking about

knowing what youre talking about is an arbitrary idea

also what would u rate his pillars

 

[killcry]

knowing what youre talking about is an arbitrary idea

Sure yeah but the difference between me and you is I can actually substantiate things

I can fully explain everything I'm talking about meanwhile you just theorize with loose concepts that you nor anyone else has really bothered to truly think about

The moment you do it begins to fall apart

have you actually measured it
with an unedited undistorted shot
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Bro he looks 13 here

 

[SilvioMoltisantiDan]

too high harmony is a flaw
you have low iq

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what a fucking retarded take