Another Brazilian Surgeon (Dr. Carlos Chrzanowsk)

[duduboy]

Does anyone have more information about Dr. Carlos Chrzanowski in Brazil for orthognathic surgery? I’m researching surgeons for more aesthetic focused cases, like bimax, trimax with advancement and CCW rotation. I have seen some of his results and they seem to have a strong focus on facial harmony and profile changes, but I would like to hear from people with real experience, especially with more complex cases. What do you guys think about his results, 3D planning, approach, and post op? I'm gonna link one of his results with the advancements.

Counter-clockwise rotation of the occlusal plane
Maxillary impaction
9mm maxillary advancement
30mm pogonion advancement
Mandibular angle implants for vertical ramus augmentation / posterior facial height

 

[duduboy]

bump

 

[koops]

You've heard of the antegonial notch

Now witness the antegonial bay

Crazy result overall, doc saved his life

 

[duduboy]

You've heard of the antegonial notch

Now witness the antegonial bay

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Crazy result overall, doc saved his life

for real

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Assuming this isnt some kind of fruad, or something terrible about it isn't disclosed.

Asthetically this look way better then anything forum famous surgeons do.

 

[mateus17]

Does anyone have more information about Dr. Carlos Chrzanowski in Brazil for orthognathic surgery? I’m researching surgeons for more aesthetic focused cases, like bimax, trimax with advancement and CCW rotation. I have seen some of his results and they seem to have a strong focus on facial harmony and profile changes, but I would like to hear from people with real experience, especially with more complex cases. What do you guys think about his results, 3D planning, approach, and post op? I'm gonna link one of his results with the advancements.

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Counter-clockwise rotation of the occlusal plane
Maxillary impaction
9mm maxillary advancement
30mm pogonion advancement
Mandibular angle implants for vertical ramus augmentation / posterior facial height

Oh my god. This is some serious lifefuel results.

 

[IzDrizSub5]

Does anyone have more information about Dr. Carlos Chrzanowski in Brazil for orthognathic surgery? I’m researching surgeons for more aesthetic focused cases, like bimax, trimax with advancement and CCW rotation. I have seen some of his results and they seem to have a strong focus on facial harmony and profile changes, but I would like to hear from people with real experience, especially with more complex cases. What do you guys think about his results, 3D planning, approach, and post op? I'm gonna link one of his results with the advancements.

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Counter-clockwise rotation of the occlusal plane
Maxillary impaction
9mm maxillary advancement
30mm pogonion advancement
Mandibular angle implants for vertical ramus augmentation / posterior facial height

impressive

 

[yussimania]

Assuming this isnt some kind of fruad, or something terrible about it isn't disclosed.

Asthetically this look way better then anything forum famous surgeons do.

Why do you always doubt surgeons outside of the USA?

 

[duduboy]

Why do you always doubt surgeons outside of the USA?

because I live in Brazil, and I haven't find a trustable surgeon in USA yet.

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

because I live in Brazil, and I haven't find a trustable surgeon in USA yet.

Gunson is great but he's expensive.

 

[duduboy]

Gunson is great but he's expensive.

I agree with you, I was considering doing surgery with him before. But I Saw people demonizing him everywhere I searched about and even on his website. I still consider him, but I am trying to find another ones.

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

I agree with you, I was considering doing surgery with him before. But I Saw people demonizing him everywhere I searched about and even on his website. I still consider him, but I am trying to find another ones.

If you look at his before vs after's there better then pretty much everyone else's. That's all you can really go off of. He also did do jawhacks jaw surgery. That guy works 24/7 on jaw surgery stuff, and talks to a ton of oral maxillary surgeons.


That's why this Brazil surgeons work is surprising. As those are much better results then, forum famous surgeons and probably near gunsons level.

 

[duduboy]

If you look at his before vs after's there better then pretty much everyone else's. That's all you can really go off of. He also did do jawhacks jaw surgery. That guy works 24/7 on jaw surgery stuff, and talks to a ton of oral maxillary surgeons.


That's why this Brazil surgeons work is surprising. As those are much better results then, forum famous surgeons and probably near gunsons level.

The sad thing is that arnett isnt operating anymore.

 

[c4z]

Why do you always doubt surgeons outside of the USA?

mostly because they're known for malpractice, but i dont personally doubt them

 

[snowslayer]

If you look at his before vs after's there better then pretty much everyone else's. That's all you can really go off of. He also did do jawhacks jaw surgery. That guy works 24/7 on jaw surgery stuff, and talks to a ton of oral maxillary surgeons.


That's why this Brazil surgeons work is surprising. As those are much better results then, forum famous surgeons and probably near gunsons level.

dont go to carlos he nearly killed someone a couple years ago. He also badly botched 2 friends of mine first case he made a big mistake w the eyelid incision which was used for infras and this led to ectropion. 2nd friend him and his designer fucked up the jaw implants causing terrible implant show, dehiscence and other issues. He only posts the good results online and is SUPER expensive 400 usd consult and a genioplasty alone is 10,000 usd. Trimax is 25,000 usd. Bim an alternative Brazilian surgeon is cheaper and very solid.

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Why do you always doubt surgeons outside of the USA?

If you read the thread you will notice that I said the BRAZILIAN surgeon,(Brazil isn't in the USA btw), results were near as good as one of the best jaw surgeons in the USA.

Your belief that I simply doubt surgeons outside of the USA, is because you lack ability to sufficiently distingue significant difference in aesthetic outcomes.

The next surgery I want to do, is at Rattian in THAILAND. Thailand is actually not part of the USA(I know it's confusing). It's not my fault that AMERICA is a giant place, with cutting tech and concentrated skill. I judge them based on their OUTPUT. Its not on me to ensure proximity of surgical skill is equally distributed world wide.

Now before we move the goal post onto but you said "Assuming this isnt some kind of fraud, or something terrible about it isn't disclosed." That is because surgeons not in the west are well known to doctor their before/after. This isn't the case with European surgeons(see how Europe is also not part of America but is part of the west). Europeans tend not to doctor their before/afters but also don't tend to get great results.

Whereas South Korea for example is like the inverse Europe. They literally photoshop the ever loving shit after every after photo and don't even hide it. It doesn't even look real. Despite that they have one of the best concentration of high skill surgeons, and high quality surgical conditions out side of the US. Different places/markets have different standards/conditions. It's those specifics I judge them on.

DNR;
Correlation does not equal causation.
Photos are not the same as Surgeons.
Brazil/Thailand/South Korea are not parts of the USA.

 

[async]

The next surgery I want to do, is at Rattian in THAILAND

iirc u got fat transfer already right? Did not a lot of the fat survive or is there a different reason you’re getting another session?

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

iirc u got fat transfer already right? Did not a lot of the fat survive or is there a different reason you’re getting another session?

Yeah I did, it had a very high take rate but it was from my rhino surgeon. My rhino guy did a good job on my general face with the fat grafting but only grafted lower under eyes. Bitch actually tried to get me to agree to upper bleth while I was drugged up, and I was like BITCH ILL KILL YOU.

Rattinan really specializes/is best in class at eye work in general. Which I need a ton of. It's very very unsual to get fat grafted in the upper eye area at least from what I've seen. There are a few one offs where its done on some women. Rattinan is kind of trail blazing the upper eye grafting/hunter eye thing.

I also need to get ptosis correction, which if you read steves thread they did for a bunch of guys. It came out really good. Ptosis corrections also very specialized but is more widely available ie any ocular plastic surgeon. But it's not a good idea to get from a rhinoplasty specialist or general facial plastic surgeon. It's one of those surgeries you really don't want to get fucked up.

 

[async]

Yeah I did, it had a very high take rate but it was from my rhino surgeon. My rhino guy did a good job on my general face with the fat grafting but only grafted lower under eyes. Bitch actually tried to get me to agree to upper bleth while I was drugged up, and I was like BITCH ILL KILL YOU.

Rattinan really specializes/is best in class at eye work in general. Which I need a ton of. It's very very unsual to get fat grafted in the upper eye area at least from what I've seen. There are a few one offs where its done on some women. Rattinan is kind of trail blazing the upper eye grafting/hunter eye thing.

I also need to get ptosis correction, which if you read steves thread they did for a bunch of guys. It came out really good. Ptosis corrections also very specialized but is more widely available ie any ocular plastic surgeon. But it's not a good idea to get from a rhinoplasty specialist or general facial plastic surgeon. It's one of those surgeries you really don't want to get fucked up.

Yea makes sense. It’s clear that no clinic can compete when it comes to the hunter eye look solely because of the amount of patients that he’s performed on that allowed him perfect the technique (he owes Steve his life)

I need to get a lower bleph with fat repositioning, fat graft (undereyes only), and possibly ptosis repair. I can’t make up my mind if it’s worth going there for it since I don’t need the main thing they specialize in, or if I should just go to a good clinic in France for these. Hard to choose since I know they’re great at exactly what I need but also would like to avoid the trip there since they are relatively simple procedures.

 

[yussimania]

If you read the thread you will notice that I said the BRAZILIAN surgeon,(Brazil isn't in the USA btw), results were near as good as one of the best jaw surgeons in the USA.

Your belief that I simply doubt surgeons outside of the USA, is because you lack ability to sufficiently distingue significant difference in aesthetic outcomes.

The next surgery I want to do, is at Rattian in THAILAND. Thailand is actually not part of the USA(I know it's confusing). It's not my fault that AMERICA is a giant place, with cutting tech and concentrated skill. I judge them based on their OUTPUT. Its not on me to ensure proximity of surgical skill is equally distributed world wide.

Now before we move the goal post onto but you said "Assuming this isnt some kind of fraud, or something terrible about it isn't disclosed." That is because surgeons not in the west are well known to doctor their before/after. This isn't the case with European surgeons(see how Europe is also not part of America but is part of the west). Europeans tend not to doctor their before/afters but also don't tend to get great results.

Whereas South Korea for example is like the inverse Europe. They literally photoshop the ever loving shit after every after photo and don't even hide it. It doesn't even look real. Despite that they have one of the best concentration of high skill surgeons, and high quality surgical conditions out side of the US. Different places/markets have different standards/conditions. It's those specifics I judge them on.

DNR;
Correlation does not equal causation.
Photos are not the same as Surgeons.
Brazil/Thailand/South Korea are not parts of the USA.

Lol I was just testing to see if I was on ignore

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Yea makes sense. It’s clear that no clinic can compete when it comes to the hunter eye look solely because of the amount of patients that he’s performed on that allowed him perfect the technique (he owes Steve his life)

I need to get a lower bleph with fat repositioning, fat graft (undereyes only), and possibly ptosis repair. I can’t make up my mind if it’s worth going there for it since I don’t need the main thing they specialize in, or if I should just go to a good clinic in France for these. Hard to choose since I know they’re great at exactly what I need but also would like to avoid the trip there since they are relatively simple procedures.

Bleth and fat grafting tend to be easy/forgiving operations. As long as you are not grafting into supraorbital region. IG fat pad repositioning is a bit more specialized as usually its like resecting a bit and grafting as a generic standard. You def need a specialist if you get ptosis correction but any ocular surgeon should be able to do that.

If you go to Rattian thou, you can get other stuff done cheaply so long as its not super hard. We know they are turning people down for Rhino so they won't just say yes if they can't do it. But you could try a variety of things if you want any other work done. Steve got some fat grafted on to his delts for example.

 

[duduboy]

dont go to carlos he nearly killed someone a couple years ago. He also badly botched 2 friends of mine first case he made a big mistake w the eyelid incision which was used for infras and this led to ectropion. 2nd friend him and his designer fucked up the jaw implants causing terrible implant show, dehiscence and other issues. He only posts the good results online and is SUPER expensive 400 usd consult and a genioplasty alone is 10,000 usd. Trimax is 25,000 usd. Bim an alternative Brazilian surgeon is cheaper and very solid.

bim is also good, Thanks for the report about Carlos. I wanna know what do you think about Dr. Augusto Pary.

 

[snowslayer]

bim is also good, Thanks for the report about Carlos. I wanna know what do you think about Dr. Augusto Pary.

hes actually very solid as well, what other surgeons are you considering?

 

[duduboy]

hes actually very solid as well, what other surgeons are you considering?

First I will start with decompensation with an orthodontist who will work with the surgeon I choose, I pretend to consult with this ones: Dr André bim (studied with raffaini and he has solid results), I was considering giving a chance to Carlos because he is Very experient with implants, Burak (he does Very good OBO and I kinda think surgeons who can peform complex surgeries are better, he also has bimax results), Dr Raffaini (not sure yet), Ramieri (probably), Gunson and LACOMS. Tell me what you think, I am probably going to consult with only 3 Max.