Another Pagnoni Botch

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As the thread title suggests, I developed various issues from Jaw surgery with this doctor. Immediate open bite two week-post op that has gotten worse (severe open bite now and crossbite, less tongue space/ oral volume, gummy smile). Functionally, I cannot chew at all anymore, can barely close my lips, lower jaw looks long, lower jaw relapsed and rotated clockwise. Lower jaw angle looks worse than BEFORE surgery, as I wasn't really that recessed. More of an asymmetry case, but now I've developed a Mandibular cant.

And of course, the worst is I also have developed very bad NON-union in both sides of my mandible where as one surgeon said "he did a BSSO cut that lacks scientific basis", as there is no bony contact resulting in continual bone resorption. He blamed the hardware failure but multiple surgeons have now confirmed it was his BSSO cut, which of course he will not admit.

And I understand complications can happen with any surgery, but I dislike how anytime I've had any issue I either have gotten ghosted, or the surgeon responds often in a very vague cold manner that doesn't answer my questions. Telling me to visit my Ortho as if they have a magic wand to fix all these severe post-op surgical complications.

He offered me a "free" revision, but I still would have to pay a number of surgical expenses, when in reality I should pay Zero for this severe functional complications, but its not really about the money. Most importantly, I didn't feel he really addressed my concerns, especially as I've suffered so much because of surgery from him and didn't even relay a surgical plan and just expects me to trust him.

And what's worse is I think he doesn't really care, immediately after my surgery he directly told me Multiple times he was bored with surgery to my surprise, after having just operated on me. I also dislike there is literally NO post-op care after you leave Italy which I didn't know, I expected some follow-up at least. Also I dislike that he heavily vapes during consultations which I could maybe ignore if he actually cared.

He is also heavily promoted on Looksmaxx forums, which I used to think was a good thing and had an aesthetic eye, but I found out he is promoted there because Giant Implants works with him, and has a moderator connection. People's posts often get deleted if there if there is a negative review regarding Giant or people he works with.


 
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This is worrying tbh.

From the lack of responsibility of him to the cockiness from vaping. Reminds me of people’s experiences with Raffaini and his ego.

Very concerning that he would say he’s “bored” of surgery.
 
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he made a shitton of money , he no longer feels the need to perform , he just gotta retire at this point
 
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all the surgeons shilled on here are getting exposed

muh alfaro

muh raffaini

muh pagnoni

ramieri is next
 
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all the surgeons shilled on here are getting exposed

muh alfaro

muh raffaini

muh pagnoni

ramieri is next
yeah unfortunately its true....

But I think it's especially true in the case of Bimax, it is a surgery which can and will be botched, and many surgeons don't want to admit when they have botched, due to their ego and reputation.

I made a thread attached below which details a lower risk alternative to bimax, with often better results, I would avoid bimax if possible.

 
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Wings of redemption wings
 
all the surgeons shilled on here are getting exposed

muh alfaro

muh raffaini

muh pagnoni

ramieri is next
Do NOT come after my goat ramieri.
 
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As the thread title suggests, I developed various issues from Jaw surgery with this doctor. Immediate open bite two week-post op that has gotten worse (severe open bite now and crossbite, less tongue space/ oral volume, gummy smile). Functionally, I cannot chew at all anymore, can barely close my lips, lower jaw looks long, lower jaw relapsed and rotated clockwise. Lower jaw angle looks worse than BEFORE surgery, as I wasn't really that recessed. More of an asymmetry case, but now I've developed a Mandibular cant.

And of course, the worst is I also have developed very bad NON-union in both sides of my mandible where as one surgeon said "he did a BSSO cut that lacks scientific basis", as there is no bony contact resulting in continual bone resorption. He blamed the hardware failure but multiple surgeons have now confirmed it was his BSSO cut, which of course he will not admit.

And I understand complications can happen with any surgery, but I dislike how anytime I've had any issue I either have gotten ghosted, or the surgeon responds often in a very vague cold manner that doesn't answer my questions. Telling me to visit my Ortho as if they have a magic wand to fix all these severe post-op surgical complications.

He offered me a "free" revision, but I still would have to pay a number of surgical expenses, when in reality I should pay Zero for this severe functional complications, but its not really about the money. Most importantly, I didn't feel he really addressed my concerns, especially as I've suffered so much because of surgery from him and didn't even relay a surgical plan and just expects me to trust him.

And what's worse is I think he doesn't really care, immediately after my surgery he directly told me Multiple times he was bored with surgery to my surprise, after having just operated on me. I also dislike there is literally NO post-op care after you leave Italy which I didn't know, I expected some follow-up at least. Also I dislike that he heavily vapes during consultations which I could maybe ignore if he actually cared.

He is also heavily promoted on Looksmaxx forums, which I used to think was a good thing and had an aesthetic eye, but I found out he is promoted there because Giant Implants works with him, and has a moderator connection. People's posts often get deleted if there if there is a negative review regarding Giant or people he works with.



@flatcheck213
 
Not trying to defend Pags or discredit the patient, but when you say “another” I feel it’s important to to clarify that this user is almost certainly the user who was recently banned from this site who said he was botched by Pagnoni.

Just mentioning this so people don’t think that they’re two different people who are reporting issues.
 
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all the surgeons shilled on here are getting exposed

muh alfaro

muh raffaini

muh pagnoni

ramieri is next
People desperately need some sort of hope for the "ultimate looksmax", like "at least if I save money and go for that hyped dude (they say he has an eye for aesthetics), I'm pretty much guaranteed to ascend". But reality shows that you can't be ignorant with such things and let it go by itself, plus there are risks of botches even with a decent surgeon and a decent candidate, you should always do your research well and have money for additional stuff/revisions and time for recovery planned.
 
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Not trying to defend Pags or discredit the patient, but when you say “another” I feel it’s important to to clarify that this user is almost certainly the user who was recently banned from this site who said he was botched by Pagnoni.

Just mentioning this so people don’t think that they’re two different people who are reporting issues.
Correct it is them
 

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