Anti-Religion thread pt2

[JasGews69x]

dnr n*gga believes the universe came from nothing

 

[theRetard]

He’s wrong and I am right in that part of the argument btw, prove me wrong brainlet.

prove that something needs prove
muh proof is a made up thing muh muh

 

[EmperorVon]

Shalom, Can I get a loan.

IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE MAGICAL DESERT JEW GOD IT’S BECAUSE YOU ARE A KIKE!

 

[EmperorVon]

dnr n*gga believes the universe came from nothing

Prove rabbi Jesus created it with his epic Jewish magic

 

[NinjaRG9]

dnr n*gga believes the universe came from nothing

It came from his superior sperm

 

[iblamexyz]

My first thread was a fail, i will admit it. I simplified and ignored some concepts way too much, i was trying to summarize it altogether without having to get into every single argument for God since- they all are just examples of the same argument.

I’ll be bringing up a specific argument from @theRetard first. Basically he believes that non-existence cannot exist and therefore it means that God exists.

This would mean that everything quite literally exists, and becomes illogical in of itself to have contradicting philosophies all be ‘true’ and exist within the concept of reality. For all of these philosophies to co-exist it must mean that there is one objective reality that is able to hold ground for all of these different perspectives of reality. If not- then this is a completely illogical unreal reality that is based on nothing and cannot be truly understood by anyone. Because its something that should not exist- and yet it exists


The Contingency

An argument from @fk732

1. Logic, reason, and moral absolutes exist.
2. These are immaterial, universal, invariant, and necessary realities.
3. Such realities cannot arise from matter, motion, or chance.
4. Therefore, their existence requires a transcendent, rational source.
5. This source must be personal, rational, and self-existent. God.
6. The denial of God presupposes God, because using logic requires the very framework only He grounds.
7. Therefore, without God, logic, reason, and truth are impossible.

As i’ve said in an elder thread the contingency is literally just a basic fundamental for believing in God, all understands that it requires faith in the idea that an illogical being exists for you to be able to follow something which you know to not be logical

The idea that we MUST have an illogical incomprehensible (non-contingent ‘being’)
is just an assumption and a cop-out from the search for the understanding of our reality. I seriously don’t get how this is thought to be the- “strongest argument for God” when you literally need to believe in a non-contingent being to believe in a christian God in the first place

“Using logic requires the framework that God grounds” again useless thing to mention as your God is literally illogical and needs pre-assumption to exist


all we know are concepts, we know nothing grounded. The ground is nothing except a concept, and so are all these meaningful words which are being spoken… Your concept of a being is nothing more than a concept, so would be your Gods. There’s no realness to anything, as we know none of this to be or to not be


If you are still arguing God’s existence then you are a
tiktokcel // @NinjaRG9

oh it's you

no wonder your an iqlet

all of your threads will keep failing untill you fix these shitty formatting

 

[accelerationist]

He’s wrong and I am right in that part of the argument btw, prove me wrong brainlet.

Von this is all within our head there’s no certainty of anything i do believe that there is a grounded reality but everything that we have come to believe in are just concepts within said reality and your argument becomes paradoxical when the objective existence of the mind is debated

 

[EmperorVon]

It came from his superior sperm

On the first day the magical Jew nutted and it was good - Genesis

 

[accelerationist]

oh it's you

no wonder your an iqlet

all of your threads will keep failing untill you fix these shitty formatting

I just like to write

 

[fashioncel]

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IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE MAGICAL DESERT JEW GOD IT’S BECAUSE YOU ARE A KIKE!

I know OP is a fucking agent,

It's because post isn't fucking retarded or full of hate,
But you can try to trick me again, rabbi.

 

[EmperorVon]

Von this is all within our head there’s no certainty of anything i do believe that there is a grounded reality but everything that we have come to believe in are just concepts within said reality and your argument becomes paradoxical when the objective existence of the mind is debated

What you just said is only possible because of the brain. There are things which exist out of our body but our understanding as humans is limited to what our brain processes and shows it as. Concepts and all of these ideas are created by the mind to understand certain things easier, there’s a reason they formed over time.

 

[NinjaRG9]

I know OP is a fucking agent,

It's because post isn't fucking retarded or full of hate,
But you can try to trick me again, rabbi.

He's not I can confirm he's not

 

[EmperorVon]

I know OP is a fucking agent,

It's because post isn't fucking retarded or full of hate,
But you can try to trick me again, rabbi.

Yes I’m the rabbi because I don’t follow the Jewish religion which worships a literal rabbi. You christcucks are the undisputed champions of mental gymnastics.

 

[Mess]

like nothing dosent exist, because if it didnt exist we wouldnt know about it

 

[accelerationist]

What you just said is only possible because of the brain. There are things which exist out of our body but our understanding as humans is limited to what our brain processes and shows it as. Concepts and all of these ideas are created by the mind to understand certain things easier, there’s a reason they formed by over time.

The idea of a mind and that what we see/understand is true is only a concept, yada yada it gets paradoxical again its not a real debate

 

[fashioncel]

Yes I’m the rabbi because I don’t follow the Jewish religion which worships a literal rabbi. You christcucks are the undisputed champions of mental gymnastics.

I'm not even Christian,

Try again rabbi.

 

[EmperorVon]

I'm not even Christian,

Try again rabbi.

What are you then? A towelhead terrorist? I’m not religious and not Jewish in any way so keep crying for me.

 

[accelerationist]

I'm not even Christian,

Try again rabbi.

Jewisits are unironically based i’ll make a thread on it later

 

[EmperorVon]

The idea of a mind and that what we see/understand is true is only a concept, yada yada it gets paradoxical again its not a real debate

Yes I understand that but I brought up the brain because these religion cucks won’t shut up about metaphysics and their made up concepts as so called proof.

 

[JasGews69x]

Prove rabbi Jesus created it with his epic Jewish magic

Hmph... I'm not a Christian
You can believe in God first without any religion.
The Universe either:
- Came from nothing - which is a contradiction since there is nothing to come out of
- Came by itself - which is a contradiction since you would already exist and if you do then there is no need to create yourself
- Is Eternal - which is also a contradiction since an infinite past is not possible

- Came from something external to itself that has power/knowledge/choice to create which is what people refer to as God

Respond or cry about it

@theRetard

 

[fashioncel]

What are you then? A towelhead terrorist? I’m not religious and not Jewish in any way so keep crying for me.

If "towelhead terrorist" means Muslim then you're right,

Also there's no need to be in denial,
We all know that your last name ends with berg.

 

[EmperorVon]

Hmph... I'm not a Christian
You can believe in God first without any religion.
The Universe either:
- Came from nothing - which is a contradiction since there is nothing to come out of
- Came by itself - which is a contradiction since you would already exist and if you do then there is no need to create yourself
- Is Eternal - which is also a contradiction since an infinite past is not possible

- Came from something external to itself that has power/knowledge/choice to create which is what people refer to as God

Respond or cry about it

@theRetard

That doesn’t mean it needs a divine creator. We only come to this conclusion because of our limited understanding, we can never truly fully understand the universe it’s to vast and complex so we believe there’s some intelligent creator as an answer for things we can’t explain with a universal answer.

 

[EmperorVon]

If "towelhead terrorist" means Muslim then you're right,

Also there's no need to be in denial,
We all know that your last name ends with berg.

Unfortunately it isn’t, I wished I got some of that Jew bucks, If I had that I’d be living in a Jewfornia mansion but unfortunately I’m not.

 

[theRetard]

That doesn’t mean it needs a divine creator. We only come to this conclusion because of our limited understanding, we can never truly fully understand the universe it’s to vast and complex so we believe there’s some intelligent creator as an answer for things we can’t explain with a universal answer.

how did you understand that it's impossible to understand

 

[EmperorVon]

how did you understand that it's impossible to understand

I deduced that from the fact we don’t know everything and we’re still trying to find answers retard. Mirin the extra chromosome brain power on display.

 

[accelerationist]

Hmph... I'm not a Christian
You can believe in God first without any religion.
The Universe either:
- Came from nothing - which is a contradiction since there is nothing to come out of
- Came by itself - which is a contradiction since you would already exist and if you do then there is no need to create yourself
- Is Eternal - which is also a contradiction since an infinite past is not possible

- Came from something external to itself that has power/knowledge/choice to create which is what people refer to as God - which is illogical due to the fact something cannot create itself

 

[Klasik616]

I deduced that from the fact we don’t know everything and we’re still trying to find answers retard. Mirin the extra chromosome brain power on display.

At this point he is just ragebaiting with words.

 

[theRetard]

I deduced that from the fact we don’t know everything and we’re still trying to find answers retard. Mirin the extra chromosome brain power on display.

"we don't know everything" - induction

 

[EmperorVon]

At this point he is just ragebaiting with words.

Yeah probably, he’s got an anime pfp so I wasn’t expecting much

 

[Klasik616]

- Came from something external to itself that has power/knowledge/choice to create which is what people refer to as God - which is illogical due to the fact something cannot create itself

Define the word creation let me see what philosophy you use. You know create / creation is not a scientific term but comes from common sense.

 

[EmperorVon]

"we don't know everything" - induction

Pls tell me every single thing about the universe

 

[theRetard]

At this point he is just ragebaiting with words.

Yeah probably, he’s got an anime pfp so I wasn’t expecting much

you are both just playing with words

 

[EmperorVon]

you are both just playing with words

Should we use pictures like in the books they read to you at special Ed?

 

[accelerationist]

Define the word creation let me see what philosophy you use.

Creation is illogical. You cannot create yourself, only something which exists. Which is not creation

 

[accelerationist]

Should we use pictures like in the books they read to you at special Ed?

Dont be mean to the retard

 

[theRetard]

Dont be mean to the retard

 

[Klasik616]

Creation is illogical. You cannot create yourself, only something which exists. Which is not creation

So laws of physics are true, matter is not created or destroyed it just transforms. Everything was contained and then it exploded and expanded but we are waiting for the contraction of the universe. This will happen for eternity because existence cannot not exist.

 

[accelerationist]

Yuno gasai is tuff

 

[theRetard]

Define the word creation let me see what philosophy you use. You know create / creation is not a scientific term but comes from common sense.

science comes from common sense

 

[EmperorVon]

Don’t worry I’m trying to learn how to deal with you better!

 

[Klasik616]

science comes from common sense

No it comes from math, explain the physicalist paradigm of science. Science changed in the modern era but greek philosophy comes from common sense. Philosophy and science don't touch since the 1500's, read Husserl.

 

[JasGews69x]

That doesn’t mean it needs a divine creator. We only come to this conclusion because of our limited understanding, we can never truly fully understand the universe it’s to vast and complex so we believe there’s some intelligent creator as an answer for things we can’t explain with a universal answer.

No response huh?
Hmph...what I thought...cry me a river of willful ignorance
The cause IS the divine creator... since its not bound by anything

So what if we cant full understand? it still falls under the categories that i mentioned earlier

Knowing how the Universe works doesnt negate anything either
Thats like saying a phone wasnt created because you know how the battery works

Cry again... its the logical necessity which you are willfully ignoring.

- Came from something external to itself that has power/knowledge/choice to create which is what people refer to as God - which is illogical due to the fact something cannot create itself

Which is not what i said...I didnt say it created itself
Something external to the universe itself which means its Eternal and not bound by time like we are

 

[theRetard]

No it comes from math.

can math prove that science is real

 

[accelerationist]

So laws of physics are true, matter is not created or destroyed it just transforms. Everything was contained and then it exploded and expanded but we are waiting for the contraction of the universe. This will happen for eternity because existence cannot not exist, factum.

nigger

 

[accelerationist]

So laws of physics are true, matter is not created or destroyed it just transforms. Everything was contained and then it exploded and expanded but we are waiting for the contraction of the universe. This will happen for eternity because existence cannot not exist, factum.

Agreed, but doesnt explain anything

 

[Klasik616]

can math prove that science is real

Is cause a scientific term. We adapt science to reality but is not describing what our common sense tell us. How do you know laws of gravity without math? Because you see the apple falling, no.

 

[theRetard]

No it comes from math, explain the physicalist paradigm of science. Science changed in the modern era but greek philosophy comes from common sense.

the fact that it describes everything mechanically (physicalism) doesn't mean that it comes from math, you can't even explain with math what "mechanical explanation" means

 

[EmperorVon]

No response huh?
Hmph...what I thought...cry me a river of willful ignorance
The cause IS the divine creator... since its not bound by anything

So what if we cant full understand? it still falls under the categories that i mentioned earlier

Knowing how the Universe works doesnt negate anything either
Thats like saying a phone wasnt created because you know how the battery works

Cry again... its the logical necessity which you are willfully ignoring.

Which is not what i said...I didnt say it created itself
Something external to the universe itself which means its Eternal and not bound by time like we are

Explain how exactly it was the creator only, please prove it you fucking retard. Stop jumping to absurd conclusions like a schizo on meth.

 

[EmperorVon]

the fact that it describes everything mechanically (physicalism) doesn't mean that it comes from math, you can't even explain with math what "mechanical explanation" means

You can explain it with the same thing that understands and processes math, the brain you fucktard.

 

[theRetard]

Is cause a scientific term. We adapt science to reality but is not describing what our common sense tell us.

cause is metaphysical. metaphysics doesn't come from common sense though