Anti-Religion thread

[Samsepioler]

i dont follow religion but i believe there is a force of universe that lets me be a loser

 

[accelerationist]

How is God a moralfag?

 

[NinjaRG9]

Buds got jokes

 

[Kiril Velev]

The colors that you “see” don’t exist and you’re simply delusioned. You can maybe believe that im just a low iq normie who’ll never get muh christ is kang faith but its all about perspectives anyways

Yes you are low iq this argument is impossible to solve I was trying to show you that it is a waste of time low iq for not getting it

 

[zeref74]

I’m no Jew or Mohammeden so miss me with Palestine rubbish

Whites are being replaced with immigration and have low birthrates. It’s over for you now sit down and STFU

Lmao you're so retarded, we already have IVF technology also soon we will have artificial wombs as well. We can pump any race babies with it.

Even if we go along with your logic, even Korea and Japan aren't going extinct anytime soon with their lowest of the low birthrates.

 

[Wexilarious]

Why not focus on judaism ninja?

 

[kiing_ronk]

He’s a western cumskin. All they do is hate god over here that’s why God which they hate is wiping them out . Nature always corrects itself never get it twisted. God sees how these devils bitch about Christ meanwhile Islam is slowly taking over the place. Yeah I say point laugh and watch them but.

Didn’t jews wipe you guys out already

 

[accelerationist]

Yes you are low iq this argument is impossible to solve I was trying to show you that it is a waste of time low iq for not getting it

yes religion is a waste of time/waste of life

 

[theRetard]

Atheism requires you to believe something can come from nothing or that the universe is eternal, also life from non-life. They can't get around causality and the laws that govern the universe so they invoke nonsense arguments. Some will even argue simulation theory, which is like a pseudo God, even atheists find a God like being compeling. Religion may be stupid but it doesn't mean there is no God.

atheists are retarded

 

[NinjaRG9]

yes religion is a waste of time/waste of life

 

[theRetard]

morality isn't man-made, it is not about muh oppressive system

 

[accelerationist]

morality isn't man-made, it is not about muh oppressive system

good argument bro

 

[Kiril Velev]

yes religion is a waste of time/waste of life

The person who was yapping about the in-existence of morality can somehow qualify a wasted life you make 0 sense

 

[theRetard]

good argument bro

indeed, and your arguments are illogical

 

[accelerationist]

indeed, and your arguments are illogical

you’ve yet to elaborate mirin iq

 

[theRetard]

you’ve yet to elaborate mirin iq

so why do you think that there's no logical reasons to believe in god, while his non-existence is literally impossible?
and about morality, it is objective and non-relative

 

[accelerationist]

The person who was yapping about the in-existence of morality can somehow qualify a wasted life you make 0 sense

there’s a difference between your christian morality and my idea of morality. I believe that killing one’s self would be bad, you believe that killing someone else is bad. I don’t focus on some kind of egalitarian system. my morality is fully dependent on however i might intrinsically feel, and hasn’t anything to do with universal goods and badbads. A man who represses himself in the name of morality will be doing something that is bad, because it hinders his own ability to do as he biologically wishes

 

[accelerationist]

so why do you think that there's no logical reasons to believe in god, while his non-existence is literally impossible?
and about morality, it is objective and non-relative

You’re retarded i specifically stated that the focus is on christianity. I obviously mean that a religious God cannot exist, logically ofcourse there must be fathers and mothers

 

[theRetard]

You’re retarded i specifically stated that the focus is on christianity. I obviously mean that a religious God cannot exist, logically ofcourse there must be fathers and mothers

i obviously mean that a religious god exists and it is impossible for him to not exist. jfl at your infantile nihilism btw

 

[accelerationist]

i obviously mean that a religious god exists and it is impossible for him to not exists. jfl at your infantile nihilism btw

lmao all you do is make claims and you don’t elaborate on anything. Literally what am i meant to argue against here? I’ve already made an entire fucking thread about this and you just seem to completely ignore all of my points made? And then you state things which i’ve already argued against at the start of this thread. Go off from that first off if you have any actual argument against me

 

[Mezialix]

Temples cover up the lawlessness while people are attending religious days right here and corruption comes from somewhere

 

[NinjaRG9]

Bup

 

[theRetard]

lmao all you do is make claims and you don’t elaborate on anything. Literally what am i meant to argue against here? I’ve already made an entire fucking thread about this and you just seem to completely ignore all of my points made? And then you state things which i’ve already argued against at the start of this thread. Go off from that first off if you have any actual argument against me

alright, non-existence does not exist
so it is impossible for god to not exist.

and as for your retarded nietzchean morality claims, it is literally barbarian bullshit and incoherent because if morality is what your impulse tells you then your impulse can tell you that morality does not depend on your impulses

 

[NinjaRG9]

alright, non-existence does not exist

 

[theRetard]

wut

 

[NinjaRG9]

wut

Nigga are you deaduzz rn

 

[theRetard]

Nigga are you deaduzz rn

so do you think that non-existence does exist?

 

[accelerationist]

alright, non-existence does not exist
so it is impossible for god to not exist.

and as for your retarded nietzchean morality claims, it is literally barbarian bullshit and incoherent because if morality is what your impulse tells you then your impulse can tell you that morality does not depend on your impulses

Non-existence does not exist- so it is impossible for unicorns to not exist.

If my biology somehow decided to tell me that good and bad does not center around my own feelings. Then of fucking course it wouldnt depend on my feelings? But that isnt the case you’re literally just spouting nonsensical shit. Nothing grounded

And even then. Non-existence still means something, it means that it quite literally does not exist. You can understand this concept regardless of whatever weird paradox you’re trying to reference

 

[theRetard]

Non-existence does not exist- so it is impossible for unicorns to not exist.

yes unicorns do exist, just not materially

If my biology somehow decided to tell me that good and bad does not center around my own feelings. Then of fucking course it wouldnt depend on my feelings? But that isnt the case you’re literally just spouting nonsensical shit. Nothing grounded

yeah they aren't depended on your feelings, i just showed you how retarded your moral subjectivism is, it is self-refuting

And even then. Non-existence still means something, it means that it quite literally does not exist. You can understand this concept regardless of whatever weird paradox you’re trying to reference

no you cannot even think about non-existence, because when you are trying to think about it then it becomes anything rather then nothing, so you cannot even think about non-existence, because it doesn't exist even in your thoughts. JFL.

 

[accelerationist]

yes unicorns do exist, just not materially

So they quite literally don’t exist? Only as a concept. Not something you can sense. God then is a concept within our minds, it exists within. But he is not a material/real thing.

yeah they aren't depended on your feelings, i just showed you how retarded your moral subjectivism is, it is self-refuting

what do you mean by it being objective? What i mean by subjective is that my focus is not on others but instead my own self, i don’t cater to the feelings of others. I may feel bad if i get picked on, but picking on others might make me feel good. It’ll be bad for whomever is being picked on, but not the one who does the picking. Good/bad is dependent on your feelings. As i explained in my first post within this thread universal morality and egalitarianism is repressive and stops you from doing as you want to do because you supposedly find it immoral to act certain ways even if they benefit you and make you feel good. I explained why that is so if you want to actually read for once then go right back to where this all started

no you cannot even think about non-existence, because when you are trying to think about it then it becomes anything rather then nothing, so you cannot even think about non-existence, because it doesn't exist even in your own thoughts

Are you seriously trying to say that because humans can create concepts within their minds that it somehow has anything to do with “existence” in of itself? It is still absent in the material as you yourself seem to understand. It isn’t “real” it’s just a stupid concept. I can very well conceive the concept of there being a God which goes completely against yours

 

[theRetard]

So they quite literally don’t exist? Only as a concept. Not something you can sense. God then is a concept within our minds, it exists within. But he is not a material/real thing.

so only material things are real? then your mind isn't real either, how do you reason it? also your claim about something to exist needs to be sensual is self refuting as well because IT IS ALSO A CONCEPT

what do you mean by it being objective? What i mean by subjective is that my focus is not on others but instead my own self, i don’t cater to the feelings of others. I may feel bad if i get picked on, but picking on others might make me feel good. It’ll be bad for whomever is being picked on, but not the one who does the picking. Good/bad is dependent on your feelings. As i explained in my first post within this thread universal morality and egalitarianism is repressive and stops you from doing as you want to do because you supposedly find it immoral to act certain ways even if they benefit you and make you feel good. I explained why that is so if you want to actually read for once then go right back to where this all started

so what if acting moral make you feel good?
and as i said, your subjectivism on morals is self refuting because your feeling can say you that morals are not dependent on your feelings, you avoid this argument btw

Are you seriously trying to say that because humans can create concepts within their minds that it somehow has anything to do with “existence” in of itself? It is still absent in the material as you yourself seem to understand. It isn’t “real” it’s just a stupid concept. I can very well conceive the concept of there being a God which goes completely against yours

so why do you think that these are humans who create concepts? why don't we discover them from the world of ideas? or from external world? Also the concept that something needs to be material to be real is self refuting, because it means that your thoughts aren't real either, so how do you even think about that something needs to be material to exist if thoughts according to you "do not exist"?

 

[accelerationist]

so only material things are real? then your mind isn't real either, how do you reason it? also your claim about something to exist needs to be sensual is self refuting as well because IT IS ALSO A CONCEPT

so what if acting moral make you feel good?
and as i said, your subjectivism on morals is self refuting because your feeling can say you that morals are not dependent on your feelings, you avoid this argument btw

so why do you think that these are humans who create concepts? why don't we discover them from the world of ideas? or from external world? Also the concept that something needs to be material to be real is self refuting, because it means that your thoughts aren't real either, so how do you even think about that something needs to be material to exist if thoughts according to you "do not exist"?

using paradoxes to make an argument for God is severely retarded seeing as it can go both ways. And its funny how you have to use these tiktok arguments for God which intrinsically also are just as incomprehensible as the God you claim to exist.

Even if you can conceive the concept of God into “existence” he is still merely a concept that isn’t grounded in “reality” as you believe it to be. My mind may be real; and my ability to conceive concepts aswell. But it doesnt manifest into the external. It exists within the imagination. imagination exists and is a part of reality, but imagined things don’t become real outside the mind, obviously.

My biology and the biology of everyone does not play by the rules of a universal morality. I explained my stance on morality, i don’t get why you continue to exclaim this idea that i believe people’s morality is instinctively subjective and different from one another. When we all biologically/instinctively have the same moral stance, our feelings come first before anyone else. Your weird hypothetical that it can be something else applies to literally everything lol. The only reason as to why somebody would feel good from causing good unto others is either due to the fact that itd make them feel good about themselves (within society, the more morally-righteous you are, the more of a “good” person you are. Which subconsciously means to be attractive. and consciously means to fit into the concept of a person of value.) or because they believe in some kind of karmic cycle or spiritual bullshit which also half plays into my first point regarding why one would feel good out of being moral.

Your english is super hard to comprehend also, but my real critique is in regards of your weird paradox argument. It isnt grounded in anything, it doesnt even really prove or disprove anything. Its like grabbing at anything that you can to try and prove some kind of stupid point. Maybe its 1+1 is 2 to you, but i can conceive this concept that 1+1 is 3 into existence. And then it’ll somehow make YOU wrong, even though i myself can’t provide much of a logical reason as to why two bananas would cause three bananas to exist. Whilst you can provide logic to back up your claim of 1+1 = 2.

Again it is just real within your imagination, its still illogical and doesn’t provide anything

 

[theRetard]

using paradoxes to make an argument for God is severely retarded seeing as it can go both ways. And its funny how you have to use these tiktok arguments for God which intrinsically also are just as incomprehensible as the God you claim to exist.

Even if you can conceive the concept of God into “existence” he is still merely a concept that isn’t grounded in “reality” as you believe it to be. My mind may be real; and my ability to conceive concepts aswell. But it doesnt manifest into the external. It exists within the imagination. imagination exists and is a part of reality, but imagined things don’t become real outside the mind, obviously.

my diddy blud, that concept of existence and reality also exist in your head, and the idea of there's some external world also exists in your head, so it makes your claim about it self-refuting. There's no border between internal and external world.

My biology and the biology of everyone does not play by the rules of a universal morality. I explained my stance on morality, i don’t get why you continue to exclaim this idea that i believe people’s morality is instinctively subjective and different from one another. When we all biologically/instinctively have the same moral stance, our feelings come first before anyone else. Your weird hypothetical that it can be something else applies to literally everything lol. The only reason as to why somebody would feel good from causing good unto others is either due to the fact that itd make them feel good about themselves (within society, the more morally-righteous you are, the more of a “good” person you are. Which subconsciously means to be attractive. and consciously means to fit into the concept of a person of value.) or because they believe in some kind of karmic cycle or spiritual bullshit which also half plays into my first point regarding why one would feel good out of being moral.

morality can't be subjective, I already explained to you why. if it differs from person to person, it only means that some of them (or even all of them) are wrong.

Your english is super hard to comprehend also, but my real critique is in regards of your weird paradox argument. It isnt grounded in anything, it doesnt even really prove or disprove anything. Its like grabbing at anything that you can to try and prove some kind of stupid point. Maybe its 1+1 is 2 to you, but i can conceive this concept that 1+1 is 3 into existence. And then it’ll somehow make YOU wrong, even though i myself can’t provide much of a logical reason as to why two bananas would cause three bananas to exist. Whilst you can provide logic to back up your claim of 1+1 = 2.

1+1=3 is self-refuting just like your subjectivism claims. Also 1+1=2 according to you DO NOT EXIST because math is not material JFL.

Again it is just real within your imagination, its still illogical and doesn’t provide anything

the idea if something is real beyond your imagination also exists in your imagination. All your arguments are self-refuting

 

[theRetard]

using paradoxes to make an argument for God is severely retarded seeing as it can go both ways. And its funny how you have to use these tiktok arguments for God which intrinsically also are just as incomprehensible as the God you claim to exist.

Even if you can conceive the concept of God into “existence” he is still merely a concept that isn’t grounded in “reality” as you believe it to be. My mind may be real; and my ability to conceive concepts aswell. But it doesnt manifest into the external. It exists within the imagination. imagination exists and is a part of reality, but imagined things don’t become real outside the mind, obviously.

My biology and the biology of everyone does not play by the rules of a universal morality. I explained my stance on morality, i don’t get why you continue to exclaim this idea that i believe people’s morality is instinctively subjective and different from one another. When we all biologically/instinctively have the same moral stance, our feelings come first before anyone else. Your weird hypothetical that it can be something else applies to literally everything lol. The only reason as to why somebody would feel good from causing good unto others is either due to the fact that itd make them feel good about themselves (within society, the more morally-righteous you are, the more of a “good” person you are. Which subconsciously means to be attractive. and consciously means to fit into the concept of a person of value.) or because they believe in some kind of karmic cycle or spiritual bullshit which also half plays into my first point regarding why one would feel good out of being moral.

Your english is super hard to comprehend also, but my real critique is in regards of your weird paradox argument. It isnt grounded in anything, it doesnt even really prove or disprove anything. Its like grabbing at anything that you can to try and prove some kind of stupid point. Maybe its 1+1 is 2 to you, but i can conceive this concept that 1+1 is 3 into existence. And then it’ll somehow make YOU wrong, even though i myself can’t provide much of a logical reason as to why two bananas would cause three bananas to exist. Whilst you can provide logic to back up your claim of 1+1 = 2.

Again it is just real within your imagination, its still illogical and doesn’t provide anything

your arguments are fucking absurd

 

[Ur fav sub 5]

this thread’s focus is on christianity and nothing else

GOD IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE

Unfortunately this has to be addressed, there are way too many theists that like to argue on whether the existence of God is logical or not. As low iq as it is i still have to make an argument regarding it.

The Christian God is said to be all-powerful- Beyond what we deem to be all-powerful even. He creates and imposes the natural laws of life, and he creates it without any influences. He is the root of “morality” as we know it.

God is said to be the first, the only one really who has no creator.

“Nothing existed before him. He has always been there”

This in itself is illogical and requires faith more than a logical understanding. You "believe" him to be omnipotent and above the so called laws in which he founded and established to not be beyond him. For him to not have a father requires you to “believe” and have faith that God somehow just simply exists.

Understand that your belief in the christian God stems not from a logical understanding; but blind faith.

CHRISTIANITY AND MORALITY IS REPRESSIVE

Not only do you not have a good logical reasoning to believe in God- but you also choose to repress yourself in order to fit into the moralist christ-like perception of life which God endorses.

You choose to blindly follow an incomprehensible being that asks you to repress your own biological/instinctive wants and needs so that you may build a relationship with this guy and go to heaven… You want to build a relationship with something whom you can’t sense nor even comprehend… You repress your own feelings in order to feel good after death, which isnt logically promised; it is just a belief…

You are quite literally cucking your own life for no real comprehensible reason. Repressing your own fucking nature because you don’t want to go against muh morals and God’s teachings.

MORALITY IS CUCKOLDRY

SUPER edgy topic now but it has to be addressed. The only reason as to why you “need” to follow this philosophical concept (morality) is because if you don’t you get severely punished by the law/people that are stronger than you, and then imprisoned for it so that you’ll learn to not misbehave. Aside from that you have no real reason to whatsoever.

Egalitarianism/collective care/communism is just cucking your own individual self in order to protect other people that also, are getting cucked- you’re taught from birth to be a moralist and you are disciplined into behaving morally by your parents and everything around you. If it has to be taught and pushed onto you so hard at such a young age it only means that it is not innate for a human being to care for anyone that isn’t of their own blood. It’s taught via discipline because you need to fear what will happen if you do not align yourself with morality.

“But morality is instinctive bruv” no it fucking isnt. Unless you mean caring for your own blood/family/ethnicity that is. Then of fucking course it’ll be instinctive. But it has nothing to do with being an egalitarian-progressive pussy that will cuck themselves out of living a privileged life because “other people that don’t look like me or even like me will suffer” you’re a cuck trying to give rights for people that you subconsciously feel nothing for. Humans have never “developed into moral beings” that’s just stupid to believe, all animals care for their own families. Killing a deformed or failed baby doesn’t mean you don’t, you quite literally understand that this baby is a deformed subhuman and so you feel no subconscious/innate familiarity with it. Thats why you kill them or eat them because its what you’re supposed to do and its what all animals do to their failed babies. The only reason why you “love” that ugly deformed baby is because you’re an indoctrinated egalitarian pussy that thinks all life deserves a chance. Your disgusting down-syndrome baby is mocked by everyone and bullied/socially excluded at school because they know he’s a deformed loser. And humans still very oftently hold animosity/dislike for their subhuman children.

“No morality=anyone can kill you” i hear this all the fucking time and i seriously would rather live in your weird anarchist scenario where everyone gets killed every few seconds than not have the ability to do as i want to completely. If you believe because the law protects YOU that it is okay to have no real liberty and be oppressed forever then you’re just a pussy and you take life way too seriously

“Morality is needed” only within your multi-cultural multi-racial institutions where everyone is completely different from one another. Only then do we need a government that kills and kidnaps us constantly whenever we do something against one another… And even then we dont need these institutions, they (again) repress you from being an actual human being and doing whatever the fuck you want to do. You don’t NEED to get along with everyone. You don’t NEED a nation, all you need is yourself, aka your blood. You only think morality to be a needed concept because you also think that human beings have to get along and muh trade. Illogical Nonsense which is built upon an illogical not thought out perspective of life

“Morality feels right” only because you were born into a system that indoctrinates, enforces and pushes morality onto its citizens. You were disciplined into being moral and its the only reason why you’re a progressive. Aside from individualism and blah blah blah

Morality can only exist by oppressing immorality, which takes immoral acts to do so. Morality can’t exist without the instinctive part of human nature.

YOU ONLY BELIEVE IN GOD BECAUSE YOU ARGUE WITH CHRISTIANS

Yes, all this time that you’ve been debating the existence of God; you were debating with christians. These are people that conform and abide to the progressive/leftist teachings of the bible. These extremely progressive moralists wholly agree with you on literally everything fundamentally. You’re both moralfags, the only reason why you win debate against these kids is because they are literally on your side. Bring up morality and they crumble, because inherently morality is a religious philosophical idea regarding life. Most people today are christians without knowing it, the only difference between you and the average atheist is that their morality has progressed beyond God’s teachings. But do not forget that God was progressive once upon a time. Coming to europa and cucking the pagans with your God, you were the progressive. And now your own morality has progressed far beyond you. Your traditional views on life are not truly conservative, because you want to conserve what was progressive. And your morality most likely isn’t christian anyway. You’re just a step back from new-age morality. But it doesn’t change that you are within this progressive spectrum…

your sons may be conservative. But they’ll want to conserve the 2000s. Not the 60s and anything before that. Do yourself a favor and give up on morality and try to live as freely as possible, you’re still a pussy who gets punished for not following orders regardless of whether you subconsciously follow it or not.

Engagement bait

 

[accelerationist]

my diddy blud, that concept of existence and reality also exist in your head, and the idea of there's some external world also exists in your head, so it makes your claim about it self-refuting. There's no border between internal and external world.

morality can't be subjective, I already explained to you why. if it differs from person to person, it only means that some of them (or even all of them) are wrong.

1+1=3 is self-refuting just like your subjectivism claims. Also 1+1=2 according to you DO NOT EXIST because math is not material JFL.


the idea if something is real beyond your imagination also exists in your imagination. All your arguments are self-refuting

Again you’re making paradoxical bullshit arguments. Even then God wouldnt exist if its all just concepts. And no, math isnt a concept lol 1+1 is 2 and the numbers are simply just symbols that portray “reality” as we know it. You’re going down a weird path right now boyloboyboyboyo. Arguing that everything is just a concept may be true; but it does not change that this concept of existence and reality is something you also abide by. You 100% believe in and or perceive a “reality” and within this concept of reality your idea of God being “real” AKA more than just imaginary is inherently not true. You believing there’s no border between internal and external is a concept. The belief that internal and external exists is a concept. Belief is a concept. Concept is a concept. Call everything a concept if you will, that is just an incomprehensible part of “reality” that you can’t prove and neither can i. Same way you can’t prove your God to be an actual existing thing whilst i can’t disprove its existence.

“Reality” is a concept. So God is just a concept, if everything is a concept does it not make it all real? No because “real” is a concept and isn’t grounded in “reality.” You have no reason to believe in anything. And honestly, i do find it a bit based to go against the idea of human-made concepts as a whole. And simply “experiencing” “life” as it is, i’ve thought of similar. But again it doesn’t really prove anything, it leaves all unanswered and leaves life full of life.

Maybe it’s all self refuting, as it inevitably would be. To argue incomprehensible paradoxical topics will only leave you self refuting. Because it’s all incomprehensible and seemingly subjective. But within our common concept of concepts and concepts it does seem rather stupid to believe that there’s a christian God out there.

And morality doesnt differ i explained what i meant by subjective and the idea of morality is just an idea and has nothing to do with how we really feel this is blackpill 101 also.

 

[accelerationist]

your arguments are fucking absurd

Life is absurd

 

[accelerationist]

my diddy blud, that concept of existence and reality also exist in your head, and the idea of there's some external world also exists in your head, so it makes your claim about it self-refuting. There's no border between internal and external world.

morality can't be subjective, I already explained to you why. if it differs from person to person, it only means that some of them (or even all of them) are wrong.

1+1=3 is self-refuting just like your subjectivism claims. Also 1+1=2 according to you DO NOT EXIST because math is not material JFL.


the idea if something is real beyond your imagination also exists in your imagination. All your arguments are self-refuting

The concept of existence may exist within my head. But reality is all i see around and surrounding me, how i interpret it may be subjective sure. But there appears to be something. There is a border because the imaginary can’t be sensed through my periphal vision and or logical understanding. It being in my imagination doesn’t mean anything, to argue that its all within our heads so its all just concepts means you believe that symbols manifest themselves somehow into what i can envision and perceive with my eyes. These are things that “exist” although existence may be a concept, but all i see and comprehend is still comprehended and perceived. It all still is “real” somewhat, but your idea of how God can exist cant be comprehended or perceived outside of the imaginary, i dont care if you believe it to be a concept that there is a difference. Because logic proves that to be different.

 

[theRetard]

Again you’re making paradoxical bullshit arguments. Even then God wouldnt exist if its all just concepts. And no, math isnt a concept lol 1+1 is 2 and the numbers are simply just symbols that portray “reality” as we know it. You’re going down a weird path right now boyloboyboyboyo. Arguing that everything is just a concept may be true; but it does not change that this concept of existence and reality is something you also abide by. You 100% believe in and or perceive a “reality” and within this concept of reality your idea of God being “real” AKA more than just imaginary is inherently not true. You believing there’s no border between internal and external is a concept. The belief that internal and external exists is a concept. Belief is a concept. Concept is a concept. Call everything a concept if you will, that is just an incomprehensible part of “reality” that you can’t prove and neither can i. Same way you can’t prove your God to be an actual existing thing whilst i can’t disprove its existence.

“Reality” is a concept. So God is just a concept, if everything is a concept does it not make it all real? No because “real” is a concept and isn’t grounded in “reality.” You have no reason to believe in anything. And honestly, i do find it a bit based to go against the idea of human-made concepts as a whole. And simply “experiencing” “life” as it is, i’ve thought of similar. But again it doesn’t really prove anything, it leaves all unanswered and leaves life full of life.

Maybe it’s all self refuting, as it inevitably would be. To argue incomprehensible paradoxical topics will only leave you self refuting. Because it’s all incomprehensible and seemingly subjective. But within our common concept of concepts and concepts it does seem rather stupid to believe that there’s a christian God out there.

And morality doesnt differ i explained what i meant by subjective and the idea of morality is just an idea and has nothing to do with how we really feel this is blackpill 101 also.

well, we almost came to agreement, only your claim that "you have no reason to belive in anything" is wrong because if you have no reason to believe in anything then i have no reason to believe that there's no reason to believe in anything

Life is absurd

no, it's not

 

[accelerationist]

well, we almost came to agreement, only your claim that "you have no reason to belive in anything" is wrong because if you have no reason to believe in anything then i have no reason to believe that there's no reason to believe in anything

no, it's not

Incomprehensible paradox.

 

[theRetard]

The concept of existence may exist within my head. But reality is all i see around and surrounding me, how i interpret it may be subjective sure. But there appears to be something. There is a border because the imaginary can’t be sensed through my periphal vision and or logical understanding. It being in my imagination doesn’t mean anything, to argue that its all within our heads so its all just concepts means you believe that symbols manifest themselves somehow into what i can envision and perceive with my eyes. These are things that “exist” although existence may be a concept, but all i see and comprehend is still comprehended and perceived. It all still is “real” somewhat, but your idea of how God can exist cant be comprehended or perceived outside of the imaginary, i dont care if you believe it to be a concept that there is a difference. Because logic proves that to be different.

why you did you come back to naive realism again your reasoning is circular here
the idea that something can be known through senses also exists in your mind

 

[accelerationist]

why you did you come back to naive realism again your reasoning is circular here
the idea that something can be known through senses also exists in your mind

Fucking knew you’d say this. Again i can literally perceive everything around me, sense it. There’s something to perceive, i can also sense logicality. The idea of knowing through senses being within my mind doesn’t change how it’s true. The senses tell me whether what you say is logical or not, whether it holds “truth” which means my senses can differentiate truth and incomprehensible bullshit. Now you can again just keep calling all of this a concept within my mind if you want. Because again it’s literally just a paradox argument that you’re using here, but you think exactly like me and see life how i see every single day and you use your senses to dictate whether something is logical or not. I can sense reality, as confusing as it may be. It can all be perceived and sensed and understood through my sensible logic, but your concept of God can’t be.

But you can continue using the same exact paradoxical argument (which also disproves your argument for God) and it won’t change that 1+1 is 2. Sorry that i can’t comprehend this invisible third banana. You can’t either so, don’t get what the point is? Nothing exists? Concepts? Pretty childish nonsense

 

[theRetard]

Fucking knew you’d say this. Again i can literally perceive everything around me, sense it. There’s something to perceive, i can also sense logicality. The idea of knowing through senses being within my mind doesn’t change how it’s true. The senses tell me whether what you say is logical or not, whether it holds “truth” which means my senses can differentiate truth and incomprehensible bullshit. Now you can again just keep calling all of this a concept within my mind if you want. Because again it’s literally just a paradox argument that you’re using here, but you think exactly like me and see life how i see every single day and you use your senses to dictate whether something is logical or not. I can sense reality, as confusing as it may be. It can all be perceived and sensed and understood through my sensible logic, but your concept of God can’t be.

But you can continue using the same exact paradoxical argument (which also disproves your argument for God) and it won’t change that 1+1 is 2. Sorry that i can’t comprehend this invisible third banana. You can’t either so, don’t get what the point is? Nothing exists? Concepts? Pretty childish nonsense

if senses are the truth, then i sense that you are lying

 

[accelerationist]

why you did you come back to naive realism again your reasoning is circular here
the idea that something can be known through senses also exists in your mind

Idealism is self refuting within its own sense since it has alot to do with the belief in the mind and the ideas conceived by the mind. Falling for its own trap, belief in anything seems ignorant then. If all is but ideas within the idea of a mind. You must submit to some sort of realism no matter what, you’ll do this even when rejecting realism and the idea of having ideas/concepts. Because you’ll be perceiving life and going by biology. Which, all is but a concept and not rooted in the concept of reality.

 

[accelerationist]

if senses are the truth, then i sense that you are lying

What am i lying about. Eitherway you can “sense” whatever you want to sense, just as the other people in this thread have chosen to do so. To follow God by faith and concepts. But i don’t believe it to be their senses. Instead a repression of such senses in order to give way for something that makes no sense

 

[theRetard]

Idealism is self refuting within its own sense since it has alot to do with the belief in the mind and the ideas conceived by the mind. Falling for its own trap, belief in anything seems ignorant then. If all is but ideas within the idea of a mind. You must submit to some sort of realism no matter what, you’ll do this even when rejecting realism and the idea of having ideas/concepts. Because you’ll be perceiving life and going by biology. Which, all is but a concept and not rooted in the concept of reality.

how is it self-refuting if the mind is literally an idea? mind is non-material.
also realism and idealism do not fucking confront to each other (realism is an idealistic thing too), only materialism does, but materialism is self-refuting

 

[theRetard]

What am i lying about. Eitherway you can “sense” whatever you want to sense, just as the other people in this thread have chosen to do so. To follow God by faith and concepts. But i don’t believe it to be their senses. Instead a repression of such senses in order to give way for something that makes no sense

why do you use fucking logic, if according to you senses are the truth. SENSES

 

[ShowerCelling]

good ragebait

 

[isis_Bleach]

lets say god is real
he still created a hellacious world where looks are everything and foids got it easy. so i hate him and will sin even if hes real.

 

[accelerationist]

how is it self-refuting if the mind is literally an idea? mind is non-material.
also realism and idealism do not fucking confront to each other (realism is an idealistic thing too), only materialism does, but materialism is self-refuting

Idealism is self refuting due to the fact that you must believe that ideas exist and that non-material exists. You’re speaking within concepts, again its a stupid paradox and there won’t be any kind of ending to the questioning. Reject realism and materialism because its all just concepts. But that thought process in itself can and is just a concept. The argument here ignores the obvious reality by constant questioning of how one comes to conclusions or that their world/system is just a concept and not rooted in some kind of concept-reality which also within idealism does not exist. I think this is pretty silly seeing i can literally see it all to be real, regardless of how much you question me within human-made languages and thought-concepts. I still am understanding of what surrounds me without the need for concepts, these concepts only contextualize what is real. For the most part.

Idealism is just an idea. As cliche as it may sound