Any East Asian Muslims here?

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

You have changed the meaning of verses and divided into context of "WHO" and "WHERE". Aka twist everything to your confirmation bias. It just proves, ALLAH was not able to protect quran.

What you mean give me the verse of ibn masuds claim? Have you even seen the video?


He clearly shows both quran and the meaning. Watch again i timestamped.

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Which one is right and which one belongs to allah?

The sun runs:
-on its fixed course for a term.
-with no fixed course for a term.


FIXED COURSE OR NOT!


From what i can see, first its quran is preserved to dot.

Then it was recitations are changed but meaning is same.

Now it is meaning has changed but "DEEPER MEANING" will stay the same.

Why has allah been unable to protect quran? Looks like denial of evidence and twisting everything to your confirmation bias is the only way islam can do so.

Ibn masuds quran wasn’t a literal different Quran but it was a tafsir (interpretation)



Ibn Masusa statement that ‘the sun does not run its course isn’t a denial that the sun moves., he meant that the sun does not move by its own power or will. It moves only because Allah commands it to. So, it’s a theological point emphasizing Allah’s control over creation, not a contradiction to the Quranic verse that says the sun runs its fixed course. Both ideas definitely fit together.
The sun moves on a fixed path appointed by Allah but it has no independent agency .
So he was basically sayijg that the sun moves by only allahs commmand
Ibn masuds quran is definitely apart of early transmission history for sure but it isn’t the same mushaf we use today. The uthman mushaf became the standard.

When the time came to preserve it fully Allah ensured the righr version was collected verified and agreed upon.

Also on yhe first part you said is literally been the same. Just because YOU disagree on how it is doesnt change the fact that THATS how been preserved for over s thousand years.
“Indeed we will surely guard it”

Allah will protect the authentic message and in that verse you showed me before the masud and the masud one, the message stayed the same.

 

[Kayra139]

The 7 Qiraat are ways of reciting it, e.g when to stop your breath and which letters to elongate. 90% of the world uses the same Qiraat, Hafs 'an 'Asim, and online on youtube and such this is the usually only Qiraat you will hear, but in some places in Africa they still have the other Qiraat preserved.


But word by word, there is no difference in the Quran. The content of the Quran is the same, think of Qiraats as accents.


Christian televangelists who don't understand what a Qiraat is think this means there are 7 different books but a simple google search tells you this isn't true.

The context and over arching meaning of the Quran will always remain the same despite these 7 different Qiraat, there will always be zero contradictions within the Quran and in comparison to the Qiraat themselves.

So to answer your question yes the Quran is preserved, just because there’s different ways of pronouncing the words does not contradict God’s claim that the Quran will be preserved. It will 100% be preserved till the end of times.

Mirin your knowledge bro may Allah bless you You are built to deal with the kaffirun

 

[Gamerspyy786]

Mirin your knowledge bro may Allah bless you You are built to deal with the kaffirun

May Allah increase us in knowledge

 

[Gamerspyy786]

Mirin your knowledge bro may Allah bless you You are built to deal with the kaffirun

Oh also I didn’t know more in depth, I took a lot of what I said from a more knowledgeable guy off Reddit

I want to learn more obviously I’m a born Muslim

 

[Kayra139]

Oh also I didn’t know more in depth, I took a lot of what I said from a more knowledgeable guy off Reddit

I want to learn more obviously I’m a born Muslim

Masallah

 

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May Allah increase us in knowledge

Is Music always forbidden in Islam? That’s the main thing holding me back tbh

 

[JasGews69x]

Is Music always forbidden in Islam? That’s the main thing holding me back tbh

Yeah bro

But you can listen to vocal nasheeds or the Quran

 

[Kayra139]

Is Music always forbidden in Islam? That’s the main thing holding me back tbh

There is opinion regarding this over the course of history, I'm a muslim but I listen to it

 

[robtical]

Ibn masuds quran wasn’t a literal different Quran but it was a tafsir (interpretation)



Ibn Masusa statement that ‘the sun does not run its course isn’t a denial that the sun moves., he meant that the sun does not move by its own power or will. It moves only because Allah commands it to. So, it’s a theological point emphasizing Allah’s control over creation, not a contradiction to the Quranic verse that says the sun runs its fixed course. Both ideas definitely fit together.
The sun moves on a fixed path appointed by Allah but it has no independent agency .
So he was basically sayijg that the sun moves by only allahs commmand
Ibn masuds quran is definitely apart of early transmission history for sure but it isn’t the same mushaf we use today. The uthman mushaf became the standard.

When the time came to preserve it fully Allah ensured the righr version was collected verified and agreed upon.

Also on yhe first part you said is literally been the same. Just because YOU disagree on how it is doesnt change the fact that THATS how been preserved for over s thousand years.
“Indeed we will surely guard it”

Allah will protect the authentic message and in that verse you showed me before the masud and the masud one, the message stayed the same.

Aka just deny the evidence and not accept what goes with what you think.

1.Where is your evidence that is tafsir?
Evidence that he meant this? Because it clearly says Ibn Mas'ud recited this "Ayah"(verse of quran)


Again, i ask you "EVIDENCE/REFERENCE"? Making up your own meaning and refusing the accept evidence is no argument at all. Please provide evidence for everything you say so i know it is from islamic scripture, not you making up scenario.

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

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[Uehdbwidbfngj]

Aka just deny the evidence and not accept what goes with what you think.

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1.Where is your evidence that is tafsir?
Evidence that he meant this? Because it clearly says Ibn Mas'ud recited this "Ayah"(verse of quran)


Again, i ask you "EVIDENCE/REFERENCE"? Making up your own meaning and refusing the accept evidence is no argument at all. Please provide evidence for everything you say so i know it is from islamic scripture, not you making up scenario.

Ibn Masud’s reading was one of several early personal mushafs before the Quran was standardized. His version is part of the historical record but was not included in the final, Uthmanic Mushaf the Quran that Allah promised to protect, as stated in Surah Al-Hijr (15:9). This final Mushaf was compiled from multiple authentic sources, approved by the consensus of the companions, including Ibn Masud himself, who accepted it and did not oppose it. As there is no recent Also I apologize for using the “tafsir” wrong. You are right it isnt a tafsir

There is no (maybe old remnants) compiled copy of ibn masuds Quran today, he didn’t even fully finish it. Which shows that he strongly accepted it the uthmanic mushaf. All of the companions agreed which also shows how Allah protected the Quran. The uthmanic Mushaf is what everyvody uses.

my theological interpretation of the sun verse and the fact that Ibn Masud accepted the Uthmanic Quran we can confidently conclude that I was right. The differences in Ibn Masuds recitation don’t mean he had a different Quran, they were early variant readings before the Quran was standardized. The meanings are relatively the same.

As Allah has definitely protected the Quran.

PS: I also looked through your, postings you seem to have a grudge on Muslims JFL

 

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Ibn Masud’s reading was one of several early personal mushafs before the Quran was standardized. His version is part of the historical record but was not included in the final, Uthmanic Mushaf the Quran that Allah promised to protect, as stated in Surah Al-Hijr (15:9). This final Mushaf was compiled from multiple authentic sources, approved by the consensus of the companions, including Ibn Masud himself, who accepted it and did not oppose it. As there is no recent Also I apologize for using the “tafsir” wrong. You are right it isnt a tafsir

There is no (maybe old remnants) compiled copy of ibn masuds Quran today, he didn’t even fully finish it. Which shows that he strongly accepted it the uthmanic mushaf. All of the companions agreed which also shows how Allah protected the Quran. The uthmanic Mushaf is what everyvody uses.

my theological interpretation of the sun verse and the fact that Ibn Masud accepted the Uthmanic Quran we can confidently conclude that I was right. The differences in Ibn Masuds recitation don’t mean he had a different Quran, they were early variant readings before the Quran was standardized. The meanings are relatively the same.

As Allah has definitely protected the Quran.

PS: I also looked through your, postings you seem to have a grudge on Muslims JFL

What everyone use is irrelevant to me, since i am interested in divine part. Keep denying the evidence and accepting what the islamic scholars or humans say. As far as im concerned, you are no longer follower of allah but islamic scholars or "human mind".

Those interpretation are human mind. Not the word of god.

Quran retained to dot --> Quran retained to different dialects --> Quran retained to different meaning but deep meaning is relatively the same. To each their own, at end of day, you will deny any evidence you see. Make up your own interpretation and keep believing what you want.

At end of day, no point arguing anymore. Since you do not consider it opposition, while i consider the recitation opposition, since they have different meaning. The opposing meaning is enough for me as evidence while you accept the standardization which was done to prevent disputes and retain unity. These are all acts of human stepping in. Ibn Masud literally agreed to maintain unity or it would prove allah false.

I have grudge against Islamic preachings, not muslims. May your allah save you from following satanic(human) cult!

 

[Gamerspyy786]

Is Music always forbidden in Islam? That’s the main thing holding me back tbh

It is forbidden in Islam but nobody is perfect. If you cannot give up music that doesn’t disqualify you at all from becoming a Muslim. It’s okay to have you’re faults because at the end of the day every single human being is a sinner

Quran 39:53 says

Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allāh. Indeed, Allāh forgives all sins.1 Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."


There’s reasonings as to why music is haram. It’s a waste of time, it influences people towards degeneracy and makes them forget their purpose here on earth. It leads people away from God which is why practically every scholarly opinion is that music is haram. Theres also Quranic evidences and Hadith stating that music is haram

Here’s a short two minute video going a bit more in depth about the realities of music from an Islamic perspective

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

At end of day, no point arguing anymore. Since you do not consider it opposition, while i consider the recitation opposition, since they have different meaning. The opposing meaning is enough for me as evidence while you accept the standardization which was done to prevent disputes and retain unity. These are all acts of human stepping in. Ibn Masud literally agreed to maintain unity or it would prove allah false.

How it’s always been

 

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