Any East Asian Muslims here?

[Askeladd93270]

He proves that he spoke with an angel with the miracles in the Quran and his future sight
Devil cannot know the future nor design it
You realise you're only projecting rn Lol
Go pick up a book
Starting from here

Surah At-Takwir - 1-29 - Quran.com

Read and listen to Surah At-Takwir. The Surah was revealed in Mecca, ordered 81 in the Quran. The Surah title means "The Overthrowing" in English and ...

quran.com

The devil can't predict the future? yeah you're done

 

[Kayra139]

The devil can't predict the future? yeah you're done

That's the only thing you can do than blantly denying typical christcuck to be replaced
I'm glad I'm not a polytheist who took a man that uses the toilet in literal sense as my lord otherwise I'd be this bigoted JFL

 

[Askeladd93270]

christcuck

You see why yall are evil selfish and think you're superior when you're the most unferior? It's bc that's devil traits yall are brainwashed since birth Like hitler was doing to the kids in germany and now you think this isn't weird what would he know about jesus, jesus would never put someone through the pain of crucifixion just to lie to humans everything he does is calculated so that it's moral to us yall doesn't Have morals yall are animals like " allah" doesnt care about Judas You doesn't care about the others it represents yall and you can't deny that yall are thrice more evil on average

 

[Kayra139]

You see why yall are evil selfish and think you're superior when you're the most unferior? It's bc that's devil traits yall are brainwashed since birth Like hitler was doing to the kids in germany and now you think this isn't weird what would he know about jesus, jesus would never put someone through the pain of crucifixion just to lie to humans everything he does is calculated so that it's moral to us yall doesn't Have morals yall are animals like " allah" doesnt care about Judas You doesn't care about the others it represents yall and you can't deny that yall are thrice more evil on average

not a molecule

 

[Magnus Ironblood]

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Caged

 

[Askeladd93270]

not a molecule

That's what I thought

 

[Kayra139]

That's what I thought

Surah At-Takwir - 1-29 - Quran.com

Read and listen to Surah At-Takwir. The Surah was revealed in Mecca, ordered 81 in the Quran. The Surah title means "The Overthrowing" in English and ...

quran.com

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

If you can speak hindu,

If you cannot speak hindu but english,

Reddit guy got absolutely fucking IQmogged so hard and debunked to the point where he ghosted the guy snd started editing all his messages, if the first proof you sent me is wrong, I think ill refrain from watching a bunch of white cucks who CANT even speak Arabic try debunking a Quran. And of course rhe Hindu nigga is tryna go against the Quran LOL

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

You see why yall are evil selfish and think you're superior when you're the most unferior? It's bc that's devil traits yall are brainwashed since birth Like hitler was doing to the kids in germany and now you think this isn't weird what would he know about jesus, jesus would never put someone through the pain of crucifixion just to lie to humans everything he does is calculated so that it's moral to us yall doesn't Have morals yall are animals like " allah" doesnt care about Judas You doesn't care about the others it represents yall and you can't deny that yall are thrice more evil on average

Islam teaches humility, justice, and mercy not superiority. Muslims honor Jesus as a prophet and believe God protected him from crucifixion out of dignity, not denial. If you really had truth on your side, you wouldn’t need to speak with so much hate.
“They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him — but it was made to appear so to them…”


(Surah An-Nisā’ 4:157)



“Do not walk upon the earth arrogantly. Indeed, you will never tear the earth [apart], and you will never reach the mountains in height.”


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“No one who has an atom’s weight of pride in his heart will enter Paradise.”

 

[Askeladd93270]

Islam teaches humility, justice, and mercy not superiority. Muslims honor Jesus as a prophet and believe God protected him from crucifixion out of dignity, not denial. If you really had truth on your side, you wouldn’t need to speak with so much hate.
“They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him — but it was made to appear so to them…”


(Surah An-Nisā’ 4:157)



“Do not walk upon the earth arrogantly. Indeed, you will never tear the earth [apart], and you will never reach the mountains in height.”


(





“No one who has an atom’s weight of pride in his heart will enter Paradise.”

So is someone wants to be proud to be muslim he's done? No paradise for him?

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

So is someone wants to be proud to be muslim he's done? No paradise for him?

What does this mean

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

How many people do you think do that. Maybe let’s highball.. 100k out of 1.9 billion

0.00526%

The Transatlantic Slave Trade LOL

“Your slaves are your brothers. Feed them with what you eat, clothe them with what you wear. Do not burden them beyond their ability. If you do, then help them.”


(Sahih al-Bukhari 30, Sahih Muslim 1661

Hitler was also baptized many times…

It’s not about what Muslims or Christian’s do


It’s about what their dogma says


Yes bad Christians is slavery and shit sure whatever nobody cares this isn’t off importance because they are bad Christina’s who aren’t following their religion. However when Muslims enslave rape and bully other races they are following their seen their satanic demonic Mohammeden pedophile death cult because Mohammed had slaves he raped women he was a pedophile and sold 2 blacks for one Arab


So yes Islam teaches it is fine. Christianity teaches it is evil


Hitler was also an Neo pagan he used Christianity to trick his German population but his closest consorts admit that behind closed does he hard Christianity with an Insajne passion. Also there’s only one baptism any more is sacrilege

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

They only reason why those chinks aren’t Mohammedans is because the caliphate decided they wanted to fight christcums and expand into Iberia rather than take their chinky lands.

And you faggot Muslims got rkt beaten and raped and then colonised by the Europeans for trying lol stupid Mo Mo faggot

 

[robtical]

Reddit guy got absolutely fucking IQmogged so hard and debunked to the point where he ghosted the guy snd started editing all his messages, if the first proof you sent me is wrong, I think ill refrain from watching a bunch of white cucks who CANT even speak Arabic try debunking a Quran. And of course rhe Hindu nigga is tryna go against the Quran LOL

Did you read the whole conversation? "IQmogged" All he has done is refuse to accept and question the accuracy of claim of "Arabic scholar". "No, this is not what it says" All he has done is refuse to accept the evidence and claim it is not what it says. Ofc muslim cannot win without dishonesty. Without lies, islam dies. Ofc, its also more convenient to just ignore the variations closely discussed in other videos. If only you were interested in the truth instead of being intellectually dishonest. At end of day, for those spade is a spade, they will leave islam.


Weird religion, aisha(mother of ummah) getting her tits sucked while muhammad(prophet) gets buttfucked by guys

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

Did you read the whole conversation? "IQmogged" All he has done is refuse to accept and question the accuracy of claim of "Arabic scholar". "No, this is not what it says" All he has done is refuse to accept the evidence and claim it is not what it says. Ofc muslim cannot win without dishonesty. Without lies, islam dies. Ofc, its also more convenient to just ignore the variations closely discussed in other videos. If only you were interested in the truth instead of being intellectually dishonest. At end of day, for those spade is a spade, they will leave islam.


Weird religion, aisha(mother of ummah) getting her tits sucked while muhammad(prophet) gets buttfucked by guys

Watch this video the sheikh perfectly explains the misunderstanding. You guys just run with any evidence you can to bring the quran down. Especially people who can’t even understand the Arabic language

 

[robtical]

Watch this video the sheikh perfectly explains the misunderstanding. You guys just run with any evidence you can to bring the quran down. Especially people who can’t even understand the Arabic language

"You guys just run with any evidence you can to bring the quran down." Lets see who runs.

Why the same guy say different thing here in video and says it should never be admitted in front of masses that there are different quran? I timestamped for you, so dont need watch entire video. Just his clip

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

"You guys just run with any evidence you can to bring the quran down." Lets see who runs.

Why the same guy say different thing here in video and says it should never be admitted in front of masses that there are different quran? I timestamped for you, so dont need watch entire video. Just his clip

That was 2 years ago. The video I sent you is 1 year ago.

The Qur’an was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ in different dialects (Arabic styles) to accommodate the various tribes of Arabia. • These are known as the Ten Mutawatir Qirā’āt, and each of them has slight variations in pronunciation, not in meaning or core content. • Examples: Hafs ‘an ‘Asim (most widespread today), Warsh ‘an Nafi‘, Qalun, etc.



authentic qirā’āt come from the same Qur’an, same Arabic content, same message, and were all taught by the Prophet ﷺ. • The variations are in: • Vocalization (how words are pronounced) • Spelling without vowel marks Synonyms used in a few places (e.g., tabayyanu vs. tathabbatu — both mean “verify”).

Here’s a simple English example for your dindu brain. Brits say “colour” while Americans say “color”

Now you tell me. Is it the same meaning?

 

[Gamerspyy786]

What led you into looking into Islam? I’m Muslim btw

 

[robtical]

That was 2 years ago. The video I sent you is 1 year ago.

The Qur’an was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ in different dialects (Arabic styles) to accommodate the various tribes of Arabia. • These are known as the Ten Mutawatir Qirā’āt, and each of them has slight variations in pronunciation, not in meaning or core content. • Examples: Hafs ‘an ‘Asim (most widespread today), Warsh ‘an Nafi‘, Qalun, etc.



authentic qirā’āt come from the same Qur’an, same Arabic content, same message, and were all taught by the Prophet ﷺ. • The variations are in: • Vocalization (how words are pronounced) • Spelling without vowel marks Synonyms used in a few places (e.g., tabayyanu vs. tathabbatu — both mean “verify”).

Here’s a simple English example for your dindu brain. Brits say “colour” while Americans say “color”

Now you tell me. Is it the same meaning?

Timestamped again. It is literally the video you posted in first part.



Running away from the fact the same guy accepted different quran? Again running away, when in the first reply i posted included videos of different quran explanation and how they differ in meaning. But ofc you won't watch, since you are here to do propaganda. Another abdul just gonna deny the evidence and cope with his prophet who got buttfucked and aisha who got her tits sucked by multiple men.


Are you going to dodge and run again?

 

[StuntmanMike]

SEA niggers worship my Big White Turk Cock

 

[pprimus43]

What led you into looking into Islam? I’m Muslim btw

My life feels like a very very difficult and frustrating test. Islam is the only major religion that claims life to be a test. I find pure monotheism to be somwhat philsophically compelling. My main concerns are it sounds too good to be true. Like a God that promises all humans heaven as long as they believe?

 

[robtical]

My life feels like a very very difficult and frustrating test. Islam is the only major religion that claims life to be a test. I find pure monotheism to be somwhat philsophically compelling. My main concerns are it sounds too good to be true. Like a God that promises all humans heaven as long as they believe?

Why you think allah knows about afterlife when it got the science of this world wrong? Sun sets in muddy water? Body is made from bones first, skin later? Sperm comes from the spine of men and women? Flat earth?

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

Timestamped again. It is literally the video you posted in first part.



Running away from the fact the same guy accepted different quran? Again running away, when in the first reply i posted included videos of different quran explanation and how they differ in meaning. But ofc you won't watch, since you are here to do propaganda. Another abdul just gonna deny the evidence and cope with his prophet who got buttfucked and aisha who got her tits sucked by multiple men.


Are you going to dodge and run again?

The guy in that video is 2 years ago

Timestamped again. It is literally the video you posted in first part.



Running away from the fact the same guy accepted different quran? Again running away, when in the first reply i posted included videos of different quran explanation and how they differ in meaning. But ofc you won't watch, since you are here to do propaganda. Another abdul just gonna deny the evidence and cope with his prophet who got buttfucked and aisha who got her tits sucked by multiple men.


Are you going to dodge and run again?

Yes, the guy in the timestamp speaking is right there is changes in recitation, letters and sometimes even words, but the definition is the same.

Surah Al-Baqarah 2:259: • Hafs: nunshizuha (نُنشِزُهَا) — “raise them” • Other Qirā’ah: nunshiruha (نُنشِرُهَا) — “bring them back to life” Both are correct and supported by authentic chains from the Prophet




The Qur’an was revealed in multiple dialects to different Arab tribes, however
All lead to the same meaning and guidance

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

My life feels like a very very difficult and frustrating test. Islam is the only major religion that claims life to be a test. I find pure monotheism to be somwhat philsophically compelling. My main concerns are it sounds too good to be true. Like a God that promises all humans heaven as long as they believe?

No, everyone wont automatically go to heaven
“Whoever has an atom’s weight of faith in his heart will be taken out of the Fire.”

meaning if you are a sinner, but still believe in Allah even a little bit you will be placed in hell fire for the amount of bad deeds you have, than eventually be placed in paradise for eternity.

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

Why you think allah knows about afterlife when it got the science of this world wrong? Sun sets in muddy water? Body is made from bones first, skin later? Sperm comes from the spine of men and women? Flat earth?

Completely wrong. But okay

 

[pprimus43]

No, everyone wont automatically go to heaven
“Whoever has an atom’s weight of faith in his heart will be taken out of the Fire.”

meaning if you are a sinner, but still believe in Allah even a little bit you will be placed in hell fire for the amount of bad deeds you have, than eventually be placed in paradise for eternity.

Are you Muslim

 

[childishkillah]

Mohamed didn't speak with an angel he clearly spoke with the devil you probably know too how evil most of the muslims are except Pakistanis theyre good ppl I speak from experien

What a dumbfuck statement. Make no sense. The devil manipulated the prophet Mohamed PBUH, to destroy idolatry and pagan gods in the Kaaba and in turn the devil said that the only god is that of Abraham, Moses, Jesus (Born of a virgin, which the Jews of the prophet's clan denied). Find other way to cope

 

[robtical]

The guy in that video is 2 years ago

Yes, the guy in the timestamp speaking is right there is changes in recitation, letters and sometimes even words, but the definition is the same.

Surah Al-Baqarah 2:259: • Hafs: nunshizuha (نُنشِزُهَا) — “raise them” • Other Qirā’ah: nunshiruha (نُنشِرُهَا) — “bring them back to life” Both are correct and supported by authentic chains from the Prophet




The Qur’an was revealed in multiple dialects to different Arab tribes, however
All lead to the same meaning and guidance

Completely wrong. But okay

Same game. Every muslim. Don't accept evidence and deny everything. Give zero evidence.

 

[Gamerspyy786]

My life feels like a very very difficult and frustrating test. Islam is the only major religion that claims life to be a test. I find pure monotheism to be somwhat philsophically compelling. My main concerns are it sounds too good to be true. Like a God that promises all humans heaven as long as they believe?

Right, I see what you’re saying.

The general consensus in Islam is that every believer will go to heaven so long as he doesn’t associate anything with the one true God. (Allah)

The general consensus of this part

. Like a God that promises all humans heaven as long as they believe?

Is that eventually every person that believes in Allah as one and the messengers sent by him will go to heaven. There will be people on the day of judgement who were scholars, people who gave in charity, and people who died in the cause of Allah however they did all of this for worldly gain/praise, and not truly for the cause of Allah and the betterment of their afterlife. Because of their harmful intention, although being believers, they will be sent to Hellfire first for having ill intentions in their hearts.

Every person who ever lived will be judged for what they did, as well as their intentions for doing so. This is why in Islam the general consensus of murder is that it’s haram (forbidden) however in instances of war and self Defense it doesn’t become haram in those cases. So yes belief matters, but so does intention.

 

[Gamerspyy786]

Also don’t believe in the negative propaganda about Islam here, people tend to make up lies due to personal hatred they have for the religion

 

[Askeladd93270]

z 1

What a dumbfuck statement. Make no sense. The devil manipulated the prophet Mohamed PBUH, to destroy idolatry and pagan gods in the Kaaba and in turn the devil said that the only god is that of Abraham, Moses, Jesus (Born of a virgin, which the Jews of the prophet's clan denied). Find other way to cope

Yeah if the devils wants to he can make a man to try to stop the idolatry and pagan

 

[childishkillah]

z 1

Yeah if the devils wants to he can make a man to try to stop the idolatry and pagan

???

 

[pprimus43]

 

[robtical]

Also don’t believe in the negative propaganda about Islam here, people tend to make up lies due to personal hatred they have for the religion

Lmao, which one is real quran?

I posted video of islamic scholar accept there are variations in quran. I posted evidence of different quran translations after "dialect" changes. Where is your evidence? If quran isn't preserved, then islam is already wrong since allah says he will protect it

I ask again abdul, where is your evidence?

 

[pprimus43]

Lmao, which one is real quran? View attachment 3879223

I posted video of islamic scholar accept there are variations in quran. I posted evidence of different quran translations after "dialect" changes. Where is your evidence? If quran isn't preserved, then islam is already wrong since allah says he will protect it
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I ask again abdul, where is your evidence?

@Gamerspyy786 what's your response to this critique?

 

[Gamerspyy786]

@Gamerspyy786 what's your response to this critique?

Lmao, which one is real quran? View attachment 3879223

I posted video of islamic scholar accept there are variations in quran. I posted evidence of different quran translations after "dialect" changes. Where is your evidence? If quran isn't preserved, then islam is already wrong since allah says he will protect it
View attachment 3879229


I ask again abdul, where is your evidence?

The 7 Qiraat are ways of reciting it, e.g when to stop your breath and which letters to elongate. 90% of the world uses the same Qiraat, Hafs 'an 'Asim, and online on youtube and such this is the usually only Qiraat you will hear, but in some places in Africa they still have the other Qiraat preserved.


But word by word, there is no difference in the Quran. The content of the Quran is the same, think of Qiraats as accents.


Christian televangelists who don't understand what a Qiraat is think this means there are 7 different books but a simple google search tells you this isn't true.

The context and over arching meaning of the Quran will always remain the same despite these 7 different Qiraat, there will always be zero contradictions within the Quran and in comparison to the Qiraat themselves.

So to answer your question yes the Quran is preserved, just because there’s different ways of pronouncing the words does not contradict God’s claim that the Quran will be preserved. It will 100% be preserved till the end of times.

 

[robtical]

@Gamerspyy786 what's your response to this critique?

I recommend you if you are really interested in finding out reality of quran. Listen to christian prince. One thing you will notice is the ex-muslims open and argue from quran, hadith and all other islamic texts. While muslims have no reply except make up their own. If you watch the videos, you will easily notice how muslim try to bend things to their way. Truth is ex-muslim have more respect of islamic texts and scriptures than muslims themselves. If you are truly interested in truth, i really suggest look at the arguments against the religion. I do not want you to devote your life to lies. Because i must inform you, punishment for leaving islam according to islamic scripture is DEATH.

Now that we have established that leaving islam = only by death.

What is difference between muslim and non-muslim?

Wait a minute, the kafir means someone who neglects prayer 5 times a day? I thought the abdul was right when he said just believe in one god. But this is not what islam says, why does abdul not have any respect for his religion?


First the say islam is scientific, turns out sun sets in water.

sperm comes from backbone of men and female,

THIS IS FROM QURAN.

Surah At-Tariq - 1-17 - Quran.com

Read and listen to Surah At-Tariq. The Surah was revealed in Mecca, ordered 86 in the Quran. The Surah title means "The Nightcommer" in English and co...

quran.com

BUT WASN'T IT THIS ABDUL SAYING I AM WRONG BUT OKAY?

Why do they never give evidence? Why do they have no respect for their own islam?


They claimed islam is right in science, science got debunked. They claim there is only one quran, 30+ showed up. They claimed its only dialect difference(muslims and islamic scholar). Then same islamic scholar claims there is hole in the narrative. Lastly, ex-muslims opened up the quran and show how the so-called "dialect" differences turns out to be differences in meaning? OFC, typical strategy is to just deny the evidence and run away from it. Do propoganda and play victim, while it is the ex-muslims opening and showing you evidence from QURAN and islamic scriptures!

Why trust muslim when ex-muslims are one opening up quran and hadith, showing evidence?

I would recommend watch christian prince and watch him debate muslims while muslims have zero arguement and just resort to twisting their OWN ISLAMIC SCRIPTURES. I do not want you to waste your life on false religion when there is so much evidence against it.

 

[pprimus43]

I recommend you if you are really interested in finding out reality of quran. Listen to christian prince. One thing you will notice is the ex-muslims open and argue from quran, hadith and all other islamic texts. While muslims have no reply except make up their own. If you watch the videos, you will easily notice how muslim try to bend things to their way. Truth is ex-muslim have more respect of islamic texts and scriptures than muslims themselves. If you are truly interested in truth, i really suggest look at the arguments against the religion. I do not want you to devote your life to lies. Because i must inform you, punishment for leaving islam according to islamic scripture is DEATH.

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Now that we have established that leaving islam = only by death.

What is difference between muslim and non-muslim?

View attachment 3879291


Wait a minute, the kafir means someone who neglects prayer 5 times a day? I thought the abdul was right when he said just believe in one god. But this is not what islam says, why does abdul not have any respect for his religion?


First the say islam is scientific, turns out sun sets in water.
View attachment 3879309


sperm comes from backbone of men and female,

View attachment 3879310

THIS IS FROM QURAN.

Surah At-Tariq - 1-17 - Quran.com

Read and listen to Surah At-Tariq. The Surah was revealed in Mecca, ordered 86 in the Quran. The Surah title means "The Nightcommer" in English and co...

quran.com

BUT WASN'T IT THIS ABDUL SAYING I AM WRONG BUT OKAY?
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Why do they never give evidence? Why do they have no respect for their own islam?


They claimed islam is right in science, science got debunked. They claim there is only one quran, 30+ showed up. They claimed its only dialect difference(muslims and islamic scholar). Then same islamic scholar claims there is hole in the narrative. Lastly, ex-muslims opened up the quran and show how the so-called "dialect" differences turns out to be differences in meaning? OFC, typical strategy is to just deny the evidence and run away from it. Do propoganda and play victim, while it is the ex-muslims opening and showing you evidence from QURAN and islamic scriptures!

Why trust muslim when ex-muslims are one opening up quran and hadith, showing evidence?

I would recommend watch christian prince and watch him debate muslims while muslims have zero arguement and just resort to twisting their OWN ISLAMIC SCRIPTURES. I do not want you to waste your life on false religion when there is so much evidence against it.

Are you Christian or Atheist yourself?

 

[pprimus43]

 

[robtical]

The 7 Qiraat are ways of reciting it, e.g when to stop your breath and which letters to elongate. 90% of the world uses the same Qiraat, Hafs 'an 'Asim, and online on youtube and such this is the usually only Qiraat you will hear, but in some places in Africa they still have the other Qiraat preserved.


But word by word, there is no difference in the Quran. The content of the Quran is the same, think of Qiraats as accents.


Christian televangelists who don't understand what a Qiraat is think this means there are 7 different books but a simple google search tells you this isn't true.

The context and over arching meaning of the Quran will always remain the same despite these 7 different Qiraat, there will always be zero contradictions within the Quran and in comparison to the Qiraat themselves.

So to answer your question yes the Quran is preserved, just because there’s different ways of pronouncing the words does not contradict God’s claim that the Quran will be preserved. It will 100% be preserved till the end of times.

Then why is there difference in meaning? You claim there is no difference, yet provide zero evidence. I have shown the islamic scholar who admitted like you, it is way of reciting. Then i showed same islamic scholar accepting there is hole in narrative and not to discuss in public. Now i have shown you what the differences are and anyone who wants to stick to truth can see the difference in meaning. Why do you not debunk the difference in meaning and show evidence?

Are they SLAVE OF MOST GRACIOUS or WITH THE MOST GRACIOUS?

This is one of the 1000s of differences in meaning. What will you debunk when you cannot even debunk one? Why couldn't allah protect the quran? When it says, it is allah who will protect.

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Why does the abdul run away and not say the 7 quran say the same thing? Claiming its "dialect" difference, but when its opened, why can the abdul not say its same meaning? Later accepts you are right and runs from question. Without LIES, ISLAM DIES.

Quran of HAFS claims sun run fixed course, while Quran of Ibn Masud claims sun does not run fixed course.

Now i want you to tell me, does sun run its fixed course or does it not? Then prove that the quran that states your answer is the quran from "allah"

What and where is your evidence? Repeating lies won't make it the truth. Muh dialect.

P.S.: Both the quran meaning are wrong btw, It is earth that rotates around sun. Aka another scientific thing quran got wrong.

 

[robtical]

Are you Christian or Atheist yourself?

I am agnostic, religion has never been part of my household. I believe in god and try to be good person. God does not affect my life. Reason i am against islam is that it is against non-muslims and allows slavery.

 

[pprimus43]

I am agnostic, religion has never been part of my household. I believe in god and try to be good person. God does not affect my life. Reason i am against islam is that it is against non-muslims and allows slavery.

So are you a Deist? Someone who believes in God but not in any human prophet?

 

[superpsycho]

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caged at this shit

 

[robtical]

So are you a Deist? Someone who believes in God but not in any human prophet?

No because it includes rejection of human prophet. I believe human prophet may have arrived or may not have arrived. I do not think about these stuff much at all because it doesn't make difference in my life. I cannot reject when i have not read about all religious ideologies. Its just that it does not make a difference in my life, so can't be bothered. Maybe it exist, maybe not.

I believe god exists because otherwise, i would be nihilist wordview in "godless" world.Ii do not want to be nihilist. And try to do what i think is right.

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

Then why is there difference in meaning? You claim there is no difference, yet provide zero evidence. I have shown the islamic scholar who admitted like you, it is way of reciting. Then i showed same islamic scholar accepting there is hole in narrative and not to discuss in public. Now i have shown you what the differences are and anyone who wants to stick to truth can see the difference in meaning. Why do you not debunk the difference in meaning and show evidence?

View attachment 3879340


Are they SLAVE OF MOST GRACIOUS or WITH THE MOST GRACIOUS?

This is one of the 1000s of differences in meaning. What will you debunk when you cannot even debunk one? Why couldn't allah protect the quran? When it says, it is allah who will protect.

View attachment 3879343



[TIME-STAMPED]

Why does the abdul run away and not say the 7 quran say the same thing? Claiming its "dialect" difference, but when its opened, why can the abdul not say its same meaning? Later accepts you are right and runs from question. Without LIES, ISLAM DIES.

Quran of HAFS claims sun run fixed course, while Quran of Ibn Masud claims sun does not run fixed course.

Now i want you to tell me, does sun run its fixed course or does it not? Then prove that the quran that states your answer is the quran from "allah"

What and where is your evidence? Repeating lies won't make it the truth. Muh dialect.

P.S.: Both the quran meaning are wrong btw, It is earth that rotates around sun. Aka another scientific thing quran got wrong.

Yes, what you showed is 2 different recitations (qiraat) qiraat= different ways of reciting the Quran. Are they sort of different, I guess an Islam hater can say it. And I understand why you can. “Slaves of the most gracious” describes WHO they are. “with the most gracious” is WHERE they are.
One talks about identity and the other talks about position and honor.
It’s like saying “hes the kings advisor”
And also “he’s with the king”
Same person, same idea two valid ways of saying it.
And you also brought up the verse of Allah saying he protected the Quran. Which is 10% true. The Qiraat (recitations) are definitely apart of the protection. The Prophet PBUH taught multiple correct ways to recite. Making it easier for other tribes to recite and to give more meaning. So in reality nothing was changed.

Recitations are how the Quran is read out loud and DONT always match their rasm (letters)

The Quran has two ways of preservation

Rasm- writing style

Qiraat- recitations prophet pbuh taught these to his companions memorized them, yes, slight word changes can happen. But the deeper meaning will stay the same like how I told you with the verse in the YouTube video previously in this message.

Here’s more: “Malik” vs “Mālik” in Surah fatihah both mean “king” and “master” sounds different but you can interpret as the same.

IMPORTANT: there is unauthentic qiraat (shaadhdh) thst are rejected by scholars. The 10 MAIN qiraat is what everybody goes by.
Now for the sun claim: Surah Yā-Sīn (36:38) says: “And the sun runs to its appointed place”

this verse is showing the sun moving in its designated placed ot path or orbit. From a “science “ perspective as you say this csn be interpreted as the suns movement within the galaxy “appointed place” definitely suggest motion. The sun does rotate the milkway galaxy This verse is also in the

HAFS recitation as I checked.
Also give me the verse of ibn masuds claim of the sun. The claim you have about masud is definitely not backed by anything significant.

You also csn find unauthentic fabricated qiraat/rasm on the internet

@Gamerspyy786 @pprimus43 @Gengar

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

I am agnostic, religion has never been part of my household. I believe in god and try to be good person. God does not affect my life. Reason i am against islam is that it is against non-muslims and allows slavery.

“Your servants are your brothers. Allah has placed them under your authority. So whoever has a brother under his authority, let him feed him from what he eats and clothe him with what he wears. Do not burden them with what they cannot bear. And if you do, then help them.”


— Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 30;

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

Are you Muslim

Yes, I am Muslim

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

It’s not about what Muslims or Christian’s do


It’s about what their dogma says


Yes bad Christians is slavery and shit sure whatever nobody cares this isn’t off importance because they are bad Christina’s who aren’t following their religion. However when Muslims enslave rape and bully other races they are following their seen their satanic demonic Mohammeden pedophile death cult because Mohammed had slaves he raped women he was a pedophile and sold 2 blacks for one Arab


So yes Islam teaches it is fine. Christianity teaches it is evil


Hitler was also an Neo pagan he used Christianity to trick his German population but his closest consorts admit that behind closed does he hard Christianity with an Insajne passion. Also there’s only one baptism any more is sacrilege

verses snd evidence?

 

[Gamerspyy786]

Yes, what you showed is 2 different recitations (qiraat) qiraat= different ways of reciting the Quran. Are they sort of different, I guess an Islam hater can say it. And I understand why you can. “Slaves of the most gracious” describes WHO they are. “with the most gracious” is WHERE they are.
One talks about identity and the other talks about position and honor.
It’s like saying “hes the kings advisor”
And also “he’s with the king”
Same person, same idea two valid ways of saying it.
And you also brought up the verse of Allah saying he protected the Quran. Which is 10% true. The Qiraat (recitations) are definitely apart of the protection. The Prophet PBUH taught multiple correct ways to recite. Making it easier for other tribes to recite and to give more meaning. So in reality nothing was changed.

Recitations are how the Quran is read out loud and DONT always match their rasm (letters)

The Quran has two ways of preservation

Rasm- writing style

Qiraat- recitations prophet pbuh taught these to his companions memorized them, yes, slight word changes can happen. But the deeper meaning will stay the same like how I told you with the verse in the YouTube video previously in this message.

Here’s more: “Malik” vs “Mālik” in Surah fatihah both mean “king” and “master” sounds different but you can interpret as the same.

IMPORTANT: there is unauthentic qiraat (shaadhdh) thst are rejected by scholars. The 10 MAIN qiraat is what everybody goes by.
Now for the sun claim: Surah Yā-Sīn (36:38) says: “And the sun runs to its appointed place”

this verse is showing the sun moving in its designated placed ot path or orbit. From a “science “ perspective as you say this csn be interpreted as the suns movement within the galaxy “appointed place” definitely suggest motion. The sun does rotate the milkway galaxy This verse is also in the

HAFS recitation as I checked.
Also give me the verse of ibn masuds claim of the sun. The claim you have about masud is definitely not backed by anything significant.

You also csn find unauthentic fabricated qiraat/rasm on the internet

@Gamerspyy786 @pprimus43 @Gengar

Thank you for clarifying bro.

I myself am I not some scholar and I wish I knew more about my religion so speaking about matters I’m not educated in is very risky for myself

 

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Yes, what you showed is 2 different recitations (qiraat) qiraat= different ways of reciting the Quran. Are they sort of different, I guess an Islam hater can say it. And I understand why you can. “Slaves of the most gracious” describes WHO they are. “with the most gracious” is WHERE they are.
One talks about identity and the other talks about position and honor.
It’s like saying “hes the kings advisor”
And also “he’s with the king”
Same person, same idea two valid ways of saying it.
And you also brought up the verse of Allah saying he protected the Quran. Which is 10% true. The Qiraat (recitations) are definitely apart of the protection. The Prophet PBUH taught multiple correct ways to recite. Making it easier for other tribes to recite and to give more meaning. So in reality nothing was changed.

Recitations are how the Quran is read out loud and DONT always match their rasm (letters)

The Quran has two ways of preservation

Rasm- writing style

Qiraat- recitations prophet pbuh taught these to his companions memorized them, yes, slight word changes can happen. But the deeper meaning will stay the same like how I told you with the verse in the YouTube video previously in this message.

Here’s more: “Malik” vs “Mālik” in Surah fatihah both mean “king” and “master” sounds different but you can interpret as the same.

IMPORTANT: there is unauthentic qiraat (shaadhdh) thst are rejected by scholars. The 10 MAIN qiraat is what everybody goes by.
Now for the sun claim: Surah Yā-Sīn (36:38) says: “And the sun runs to its appointed place”

this verse is showing the sun moving in its designated placed ot path or orbit. From a “science “ perspective as you say this csn be interpreted as the suns movement within the galaxy “appointed place” definitely suggest motion. The sun does rotate the milkway galaxy This verse is also in the

HAFS recitation as I checked.
Also give me the verse of ibn masuds claim of the sun. The claim you have about masud is definitely not backed by anything significant.

You also csn find unauthentic fabricated qiraat/rasm on the internet

@Gamerspyy786 @pprimus43 @Gengar

You have changed the meaning of verses and divided into context of "WHO" and "WHERE". Aka twist everything to your confirmation bias. It just proves, ALLAH was not able to protect quran.

What you mean give me the verse of ibn masuds claim? Have you even seen the video?


He clearly shows both quran and the meaning. Watch again i timestamped.

Which one is right and which one belongs to allah?

The sun runs:
-on its fixed course for a term.
-with no fixed course for a term.


FIXED COURSE OR NOT!


From what i can see, first its quran is preserved to dot.

Then it was recitations are changed but meaning is same.

Now it is meaning has changed but "DEEPER MEANING" will stay the same.

Why has allah been unable to protect quran? Looks like denial of evidence and twisting everything to your confirmation bias is the only way islam can do so.