Anyone think society will look like Cyber Punk Edgerunners in 30 years?

[Deleted member 25667]

This assumes corporations overtake governments.

They pretty much already have

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Do you think the current global turmoil + technological progress breed a different world system order that will avoid these pitfalls?

@cantsleep @Witheredly90 @

 

[Deleted member 11126]

They pretty much already have

Its not like one has domination over another. They are so intertwined its hard to find where corporations end and the government begins or vice versa.

Most fortune 500 corps could not survive without some degree of government help whether that be practically free money through debt that is lower then inflation or through various contacts. There are almost no major companies in the past 50 years that haven't been bailed out one way or another. They are separate entities but they work for eachother in various ways. They are very entangled with one another once you get to a billion dollar company it is most likely working with governments one way or another.

 

[Deleted member 11126]

Do you think the current global turmoil + technological progress breed a different world system order that will avoid these pitfalls?

@cantsleep @Witheredly90 @

There's no telling... But I can say that the current reality is a bad sign for the future...

 

[Deleted member 25667]

Do you think the current global turmoil + technological progress breed a different world system order that will avoid these pitfalls?

@cantsleep @Witheredly90 @

What pitfalls .. elab

 

[enchanted_elixir]

What pitfalls .. elab

@Witheredly90 talked about the future having a cyberpunk theme, high tech & low life.

 

[Deleted member 25667]

@Witheredly90 talked about the future having a cyberpunk theme, high tech & low life.

How is that a pitfall exactly?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

How is that a pitfall exactly?

Look at what he said up there. He's worried about drastic inequality and a bit of authoritarianism

 

[Deleted member 11126]

Look at what he said up there. He's worried about drastic inequality and a bit of authoritarianism

Well look at California as a good case study of America's future. Its the most diverse state highest GDP highest poverty highest amount of wealth.

Its basically where America is going massive inequality diversity no real identity and 3rd world tier. But still quite a bit of wealth if you have money and live in silicon valley your kids go to the best schools in the nation/world and your only around rich Whites/Asians. Everything is more extreme the rich and richer the poor are poorer there is no American core or identity just a bunch of transnational mutts from everywhere.

Just less middle class people too. California is a pretty shitty area for a lot of people but it still has so much wealth basically the idea of reasonable priced middle class areas will disappear.

 

[Deleted member 25667]

Look at what he said up there. He's worried about drastic inequality and a bit of authoritarianism

Tbh it's all just baseless speculation at this point. But if the world does turn to a cyberpunk esc "dystopia" ran by mega corporations then we'll probably be seeing a sense of inequality that has never been witnessed before - in a very very bad way

Like literal demigods with a lifespan of 400 and microchipped 300 IQ brains over seeing a class of peasants who are basically just humans without any artificial advancements.

As @Witheredly90 said, fun if you have the wealth and connections, not very fun if you find yourself at the bottom of the hierarchy. But that's how life has always been so idk

 

[Deleted member 11126]

Tbh it's all just baseless speculation at this point. But if the world does turn to a cyberpunk esc "dystopia" ran by mega corporations then we'll probably be seeing a sense of inequality that has never been witnessed before - in a very very bad way

Like literal demigods with a lifespan of 400 and microchipped 300 IQ brains over seeing a class of peasants who are basically just humans without any artificial advancements.

As @Witheredly90 said, fun if you have the wealth and connections, not very fun if you find yourself at the bottom of the hierarchy. But that's how life has always been so idk

California already feels like cyberpunk. Literally homeless people shooting up heroin on the streets and then gated communities a block away worth 10 mil a house. Its just so weird it doesn't look like a 1st world country I legit thought I was in Mexico in parts of LA.

But then in some areas it was super nice too... LA used to be the best place to live in the US. In old pictures you see no homeless people everyone looks pretty well dressed. An average man could work there even buy a house Full House a show from the 80's was modeled off an average family. Where in LA they had a house and 3 kids off an average mans salary no way in hell you could do that now.

The rest of the country will become like this very diverse very poor. Houses super expensive and the country will deteriorate outside the upper class

 

[Deleted member 25667]

California already feels like cyberpunk. Literally homeless people shooting up heroin on the streets and then gated communities a block away worth 10 mil a house. Its just so weird it doesn't look like a 1st world country I legit thought I was in Mexico in parts of LA.

But then in some areas it was super nice too...

Same with new york. The disparity between the economic classes are insane, one borough will be a shithole rampant with homeless guys doing crack and the next you're in manhatten. I can't even imagine what it would be like when the upper classes of society get their hands on genetic engineering and nanotech, it'll be gigaover for poorcels at that point.

But yes kinda feels like we're already in a dystopia, but it's just ever so slowly increasingly getting worse and no one seems to really care

 

[Deleted member 11126]

Same with new york. The disparity between the economic classes are insane, one borough will be a shithole rampant with homeless guys doing crack and the next you're in manhatten. I can't even imagine what it would be like when the upper classes of society get their hands on genetic engineering and nanotech, it'll be gigaover for poorcels at that point.

But yes kinda feels like we're already in a dystopia, but it's just ever so slowly increasingly getting worse and no one seems to really care

It also has a lot to do with the 3rd world coming to the West. In LA people were all speaking Spanish and there was no real identity.

So really the average person is just becoming a poor mutt with no means. The US average IQ has been decreasing since the 70s.

 

[Deleted member 25667]

It also has a lot to do with the 3rd world coming to the West. In LA people were all speaking Spanish and there was no real identity.

So really the average person is just becoming a poor mutt with no means. The US average IQ has been decreasing since the 70s.

The wealth disparity is similar in pretty much all western countries, even the ones that are pseudo white ethno states, but I guess immigration will accelerate it

 

[Deleted member 11126]

The wealth disparity is similar in pretty much all western countries, even the ones that are pseudo white ethno states, but I guess immigration will accelerate it

Yeah but if people are all in a homogeneous society wealth disparity is less important. Its also more likely to work itself out. In a completely mutt society then its easier to divide and control people.

There was a leaked email exchange with Amazon executives where they found the amount of diversity in an amazon facility correlated with less unions. Diverse societies are low trust societies this is why even a slum in Japan is safe your not going to get hurt by homeless people in Japan.

 

[Deleted member 25667]

Yeah but if people are all in a homogeneous society wealth disparity is less important. Its also more likely to work itself out. In a completely mutt society then its easier to divide and control people.

There was a leaked email exchange with Amazon executives where they found the amount of diversity in an amazon facility correlated with less unions. Diverse societies are low trust societies this is why even a slum in Japan is safe your not going to get hurt by homeless people in Japan.

Eastern Asian countries will be the first to be hit by the wave of advanced tech and they're already crumbling despite being ethnically homogenous.

It's predicted that China's population will be half of its current size by the end of the century.

 

[Deleted member 11126]

Eastern Asian countries will be the first to be hit by the wave of advanced tech and they're already crumbling despite being ethnically homogenous.

It's predicted that China's population will be half of its current size by the end of the century.

Yeah but Asia is still a safe place to live at least. I meant more so diverse areas breed less community. People are also more distrusting of one another then a more hostile society and money will matter more.

 

[Deleted member 25667]

Yeah but Asia is still a safe place to live at least. I meant more so diverse areas breed less community. People are also more distrusting of one another then a more hostile society and money will matter more.

True, I agree.

What will be really interesting is when Latin American countries eventually make the tech jump. Jfl i don't event want to imagine what a cartel favela state with nanotech and artificial advancements will look like; will actually be over if you step one foot outside of your house.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

California already feels like cyberpunk. Literally homeless people shooting up heroin on the streets and then gated communities a block away worth 10 mil a house. Its just so weird it doesn't look like a 1st world country I legit thought I was in Mexico in parts of LA.

But then in some areas it was super nice too... LA used to be the best place to live in the US. In old pictures you see no homeless people everyone looks pretty well dressed. An average man could work there even buy a house Full House a show from the 80's was modeled off an average family. Where in LA they had a house and 3 kids off an average mans salary no way in hell you could do that now.

The rest of the country will become like this very diverse very poor. Houses super expensive and the country will deteriorate outside the upper class

And then, Ron DeSantisn becomes president... (It's a joke)

 

[enchanted_elixir]

it'll be gigaover for poorcels at that point.

Giga over would be giga conservative at best to describe that

 

[tallnegga]

We’re already there. The only thing that’s missing is the technology

 

[enchanted_elixir]

It also has a lot to do with the 3rd world coming to the West. In LA people were all speaking Spanish and there was no real identity.

So really the average person is just becoming a poor mutt with no means. The US average IQ has been decreasing since the 70s.

So much so that it feels like a 2nd language for the city?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

There was a leaked email exchange with Amazon executives where they found the amount of diversity in an amazon facility correlated with less unions.

Any theories as to why?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Eastern Asian countries will be the first to be hit by the wave of advanced tech and they're already crumbling despite being ethnically homogenous.

What exactly do you mean here? Advance tech will crumble them? Or?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

diverse areas breed less community.

Sounds good, but I wonder if there's more to that to be honest.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

True, I agree.

What will be really interesting is when Latin American countries eventually make the tech jump. Jfl i don't event want to imagine what a cartel favela state with nanotech and artificial advancements will look like; will actually be over if you step one foot outside of your house.

I wonder what nation would be like the first techno utopia

 

[enchanted_elixir]

True, I agree.

What will be really interesting is when Latin American countries eventually make the tech jump. Jfl i don't event want to imagine what a cartel favela state with nanotech and artificial advancements will look like; will actually be over if you step one foot outside of your house.

Just did some research on what nanotech is. If such tech was weaponized it would be over if you even existed.

Seems like the upsides are just as powerful if not more

 

[Magical Apple]

This show is basically how society is shaping out to be. America is going to be super degen and look like a cyberpunk brazil with the lower classes living in shitholes and the elite living in nice places


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I predict that the coming era will be defined by chaos, and confusion but will be proceeded by an era of stability, conformism and relative prosperity. I am not sure exactly how this will play out.

 

[Magical Apple]

I wonder what nation would be like the first techno utopia

Japan, singapore or south korea. If there is a solution to the crisis of the 21st century they will be the first to figure it out as they are going through it the fastest.

 

[Deleted member 23391]

no, stupid weeb

 

[Mako]

I'd rather live in Cyberpunk than die to a fucking nuke

 

[Deleted member 11126]

So much so that it feels like a 2nd language for the city?

Oh yeah for sure its spoken more then English in many areas.

Any theories as to why?

Why diversity caused less unions to form? Well... high diversity breeds low trust environments. When people don't trust one another they are less likely to work together or cooperate. I mean look at prison they are very diverse places and they form various racial gangs that's really the natural order when you have a very diverse place without police keeping a lid on things. I could go into the reasons humans are like this but you'll have to do your own research just keep in mind groups have evolved in group preferences for thousands of years.

If people are relatively racially the same race is no longer an issue so they are more likely to work together on bigger issues like their own well beings but this doesn't work if everyone distrusts eachother. Same thing the media is doing on a larger scale they can easily divide the races to distract from larger issues if there was less diversity people would be more unified like in Japan.