if you got the opportunity to, why not?
what if someone has a really narrow pallate and fwhr and also wants to get his face wider?. also its a good preparotary procedure for bimax right?
I mean the hassle aint worth it, i mena if you do need it you are most likely a bimax patient too, so we talking 3-5 years of this bs
No one gets wider face from palatte expanders. I mean the change is expanding like a pyramid from teeths aswell, not aesthetic in any form really. You expand 10 mm at the suture, maybe you get 2 at the zygos lol. And then you over did it
yea for sure, i mean people in the akrway community allways care more about looks but have the airway as an excuse
I mean it would be klife saver really young when you can move bone with a simple exapnder. But after 16 i dont know, then its too much hassle
i remember when users were shutting down all talk about bimax+ bc of the n2 implant lmfaoooo. just another nothingburger with all the biggest glazers nowhere to be found now
"Oh no bro it will double my jaw width bro I will ascend just like Bass bro"
it doesnt change shit lmao
Yes bro I’m going to ascend just like bwython and wear that fucking faggot ass face pull head gear while I wage slave my life away
Makes nose wider(hard to fix with rhibo when the entire hole is wider), makes zygos at most 2-3 mm wider if you over expand, can cause more assymetry, bad for teeth roots, can cause a indent at the suture so the lips looks bad, can cause tmj issues, can make the smile weird because and make less holloe cheeks since you expand lower more then upper(pyramid expansion)
Ramieri himself can even tell you that it makes no significant change to lip width. This is just a cope
I mean i have seen clear result of noticeable lip width change after mse, even braces can chnage perceived width slightly. But with mse you meed to overdo it to get a big change. And your nose will widen with a faster rate
Maybe if you overdo it then yeah. But Ramieri himself has said the relationship between lip width and palette width is not that linear. There is plenty of cases where you can have narrow lips but a wide palette and so on. You'll end up doing MSE for unnoticeable changes on average
I mean its not linear and 1 to 1. But if you expand you will get wider lips, but it usually isnt the most aesthetic width you gain either way. Prob like 5 mm expansion might give 1 mm lip width, 10 gives 2 mm. Small but for sure something. And depends on case
I have an overly wide face, wide palette but my lips are on the narrow side at like 1.3 1.4 mouth to nose lol
i mean lip width is genetic, but if you have narrow palate and lose hanging lips without teeth support you lose put on potential lip width.
I mean if you have a clinically narrow palate u should be expanding regardless
I mean not really if not the nasal aperture isnt really bad
That is what people do marpe for
Truly in awe at how long it takes to surgerycel
I mean you orthodontics are slow as hell, most othe surgeries can be done fast
imagine having do class3 decomp which takes the most time + marpe before
I would ropeimagine having do class3 decomp which takes the most time + marpe before
Yea ortho work is hell on earth
just imagine getting the marpe off, teeth put it the place they were before and ortho tells you ts will take another 2 years to EVEN get a surgery which will make any difference
I wanted to rope so hard after my first surgery, no feeling worse sitting in recovery seeing first signs of subpar result while having a now empty bank account with no income. At least people who are going through decomp wake up with a hope.
It makes me lol when I am browsing orthodontists' instagrams who work with maxfacs and in the before/afters posts' descriptions they sometimes put "We offered this patient 2 options, 1. Get bimax + orthodontics treatment, 2. Orthodontics only" and I shit you not 90% of the time after that it says "The patient chose option number 2.".
Angryimagine having do class3 decomp which takes the most time + marpe before
Yea thats brutal man, unfortuntley its more common then people think to get subpar results
The widening of the zygomas could lead to slight lips widening because of the stretching of the muscles
Yes but for people who actually need It, the nose widening part is actually a good thing, and from the results I've seen the zygos were way more prominent. And obviously every single looksmaxxing method has a bunch of side effects, so according to your logic no one should do It.
Not many lookmaxxing stuff has so many negaitve aesthetic complications even if it goes "right". Mse is not lookmaxxing, its functional
Literally every single looksmax has health and aesthetic complications, and I'm aware it's functional but I was talking about how It improves facial aesthetics as well
Real
Never ever seen a good ascension from mse, if you have some prove me wrong
Broski I'm thinking to get this sh!t
, I'm 16 tho. I feel so much issues in my face or maybe I'm overanalyzing.
Yea better smile is good, but the negatives in my opionion outweight the smile. And its not certain the smile sill look better since a wider nose and chnages in the bone structure can make smile worse even if teeth are better and less buccal coridor
Not many people need the level of expansion that MSE or SARME provide anyway, if they do, might as well risk it and have the asymmetry corrected during bimax. The nose changes are unfortunately unavoidable and need to hope it isn't that bad, seen some pretty bad ones.
No, blackpillers know it's not a halo. Bad teeth are a falio, but as Thecel found a stacey can have a narrow palete and bad teeth and still be good looking because its the big bones and their positions which make a face good looking. (or in women's case a small skull.)
Sounds fun
