Are you religious?

[Zalmoxis]

I havent seen a hallucination so idk. If god is so powerful why can't he just give me the same hallucination? Also these hallucinations can't be proven either so unless i get one myself i can't really give an opinion on it.

If someone hallucinates god and claims they got divine intellect. They are either right or wrong.
You say you cannot know if they are right or wrong? right?

 

[Zalmoxis]

I see why you have more posts than rep, absolute retard. If something conscious didn't make it then it is an accident. If the universe is eternal it explains nothing, it'd make more sense for nothing to exist.

i dont see how my reputation on an incel forum thats not what it was anymore is relevant to the topic. are you saying that it is illogical to think the universe was created by something eternal without a concious property. Or are you saying then if that were the case there would be no meaning
?

 

[neverstresssss]

If someone hallucinates god and claims they got divine intellect. They are either right or wrong.
You say you cannot know if they are right or wrong? right?

Yeah there is no way of knowing if they really got hallucinations or not. But my point is why cant god, a all powerful devine intellect give every person the same hallucination? There really isn't a reason that he can't, if he did everyone on earth would know the true religion and basically all wars would stop simply because everyone would unite. However this hasnt't happened so there is still debate and there always will be. Humans will always be divided, some say its because of race or beliefs but IMO its religion. If all religion was wiped off Earth and completely forgotten about life would be great.

 

[Meteor21]

i dont see how my reputation on an incel forum thats not what it was anymore is relevant to the topic. are you saying that it is illogical to think the universe was created by something eternal without a concious property. Or are you saying then if that were the case there would be no meaning
?

Read what I said

 

[Zalmoxis]

Read what I said

its easier for me if you clarify. i dont understand what you meant

 

[Zalmoxis]

Yeah there is no way of knowing if they really got hallucinations or not. But my point is why cant god, a all powerful devine intellect give every person the same hallucination? There really isn't a reason that he can't, if he did everyone on earth would know the true religion and basically all wars would stop simply because everyone would unite. However this hasnt't happened so there is still debate and there always will be. Humans will always be divided, some say its because of race or beliefs but IMO its religion. If all religion was wiped off Earth and completely forgotten about life would be great.

Yeah i mean if you believe in science then you can TEHNICALLY prove if the hallucination happened or not as it is a physical process. But you're right GOD could give us certainty that he exists as he is omnipotent. He could end all suffering obviously. but he doesnt. A christian could say that we are complex beings with free will. Which is paradoxical (free will) and incompatible with modern science. yeah and the last part with separation i dont necesarilily agree personally

 

[neverstresssss]

Yeah i mean if you believe in science then you can TEHNICALLY prove if the hallucination happened or not as it is a physical process. But you're right GOD could give us certainty that he exists as he is omnipotent. He could end all suffering obviously. but he doesnt. A christian could say that we are complex beings with free will. Which is paradoxical (free will) and incompatible with modern science. yeah and the last part with separation i dont necesarilily agree personally

Well religion has been the dividing factor for centuries. Just imagine if we didn't even need to have this conversation rn about whether god exists or not. Imagine if everyone followed the same faith. This alone would get rid of nearly all terrible things going on in the world rn.
Judging from your responses im guessing you are religious. What religion do you follow?

 

[Zalmoxis]

I see why you have more posts than rep, absolute retard. If something conscious didn't make it then it is an accident. If the universe is eternal it explains nothing, it'd make more sense for nothing to exist.

universe needs a cause you agree with this right. The other scenario states that the universe is both eternal and self necessary. Tell me how is this ilogical or whatever your qrititque was
]

 

[Meteor21]

universe needs a cause you agree with this right. The other scenario states that the universe is both eternal and self necessary. Tell me how is this ilogical or whatever your qrititque was
]

Why would it be self-necessary? That makes no fucking sense. Necessary for what? No universe, no necessity.

 

[Zalmoxis]

Why would it be self-necessary? That makes no fucking sense. Necessary for what? No universe, no necessity. View attachment 4831530

you do realize it retarded to ask why something is self necessary its in the fucking name its necesarry for itself, it will be like me asking you why god is self necessary so answer. I do think the second scenario is weaker than the first for context

 

[Meteor21]

you do realize it retarded to ask why something is self necessary its in the fucking name its necesarry for itself, it will be like me asking you why god is self necessary so answer. I do think the second scenario is weaker than the first for context

If you can't tell me why it's necessary then it isn't. A necessary universe is a fictional concept.

 

[Zalmoxis]

If you can't tell me why it's necessary then it isn't. A necessary universe is a fictional concept.

can you explain how god is different? Yes you can classify it as a fictional concept as i cannot prove it.

 

[Meteor21]

can you explain how god is different? Yes you can classify it as a fictional concept as i cannot prove it.

Go to r/atheism, I can't be asked with this shit. I never argued God is necessary if there is no life. Only if there is life. I explained why.

 

[Zalmoxis]

Go to r/atheism, I can't be asked with this shit. I never argued God is necessary if there is no life. Only if there is life. I explained why.

ok, lets assume there is life

 

[Zalmoxis]

can you please not answer this sarcastically: how irrational am i being if you could measure it throughout the "debate"?

 

[Zalmoxis]

Go to r/atheism, I can't be asked with this shit. I never argued God is necessary if there is no life. Only if there is life. I explained why.

.

 

[Zalmoxis]

Go to r/atheism, I can't be asked with this shit. I never argued God is necessary if there is no life. Only if there is life. I explained why.

i started this thread because i was stimmed up and now the concerta is wearing off this is why i am asking you this

 

[stonecold trucel]

I believe

 

[griff1234]

What do you think of atheist or religious people?

I think being religious is stupid but at least it might force people some morals

 

[Zalmoxis]

I believe

why

 

[Zalmoxis]

Well religion has been the dividing factor for centuries. Just imagine if we didn't even need to have this conversation rn about whether god exists or not. Imagine if everyone followed the same faith. This alone would get rid of nearly all terrible things going on in the world rn.
Judging from your responses im guessing you are religious. What religion do you follow?

I am not religious lol. I'm close to an agnostic atheist

 

[neverstresssss]

I am not religious lol. I'm close to an agnostic atheist

shi im agnostic athirest too then i didn't even know ts was a thing.

 

[Zalmoxis]

Well religion has been the dividing factor for centuries. Just imagine if we didn't even need to have this conversation rn about whether god exists or not. Imagine if everyone followed the same faith. This alone would get rid of nearly all terrible things going on in the world rn.
Judging from your responses im guessing you are religious.

yeah i guess .its just sometimes hard to answer complex hypotheticals like this with certainty. It's kind of weird if you change to many variables in the world its hard to predict. but i can take a guess and say the world will have less sufffering

 

[stonecold trucel]

why

shit honestly idk but I do believe in god

 

[Zalmoxis]

shi im agnostic athirest too then i didn't even know ts was a thing

most atheists are agnostic actually which just means you cant know if god is real or not. and agnostic atheists are just agnostics but they lean toward atheism

 

[Zalmoxis]

shit honestly idk but I do believe in god

faith