Arranged marriage is the solution

[Prøphet]

You can’t prove he existed, no contemporary evidence at all. Nice try though, the burden of proof rests on you.

You can’t prove he existed and you can’t prove he did exist

But you’re better off believing he does than believing he doesnt

Absence of positive evidence doesn’t mean presence of negative evidence

I think it’s clear by looking at human nature whether God does exist or doesnt you’re better off following Jesus regardless

 

[Prøphet]

Anything outside our universe doesn’t matter in this debate because we’re discussing our world not theoretical other universes. Don’t shift the topic because you’re getting owned.

But God doesn’t exist in the confines of our world if he’s infinite and omniscient

If you think he isn’t infinite or omniscient then we’re not talking about the same God

 

[EmperorVon]

You can’t prove he existed and you can’t prove he did exist

But you’re better off believing he does than believing he doesnt

Absence of positive evidence doesn’t mean presence of negative evidence

I think it’s clear by looking at human nature whether God does exist or doesnt you’re better off following Jesus regardless

Pascal’s wager yet again, might as well convert to Islam because who knows… you might be better off following Allah alone

 

[EmperorVon]

But God doesn’t exist in the confines of our world if he’s infinite and omniscient

If you think he isn’t infinite or omniscient then we’re not talking about the same God

According to you he is but the debate is about our world and how it’s all predetermined and his plan, because he designed it exactly that way despite knowing its exact outcome. Don’t run admit this

 

[Prøphet]

Pascal’s wager yet again, might as well convert to Islam because who knows… you might be better off following Allah alone

There’s a greater probability Christianity is true than Islam

Doesnt Mohammed go against God by committing sins and encouraging violence?

 

[EmperorVon]

There’s a greater probability Christianity is true than Islam

Doesnt Mohammed go against God by committing sins and encouraging violence?

Just like the god of the bible who committed acts of violence and genocide, the one who set the pharaohs heart to never change meaning he was controlled and was forced to keep persecuting the Israelites leading to disasters on Egypt.

 

[Prøphet]

Pascal’s wager yet again, might as well convert to Islam because who knows… you might be better off following Allah alone

Islam allows humans to commit “sins for greatness”

Therefore Islam encourages utilitarianism to beings that are limited in knowledge and judgment

That’s completely incoherent, only God can be an accurate utilitarian, humans must accept the deontology of “do not sin” because of how imperfect we are

 

[EmperorVon]

Islam allows humans to commit “sins for greatness”

Therefore Islam encourages utilitarianism to beings that are limited in knowledge and judgment

That’s completely incoherent, only God can be an accurate utilitarian, humans must accept the deontology of “do not sin” because of how imperfect we are

Initially you said we were perfect which means we would never have eaten the apple because we wouldn’t made mistakes but now we’re imperfect because of that. Try to follow the logic

 

[Prøphet]

Just like the god of the bible who committed acts of violence and genocide, the one who set the pharaohs heart to never change meaning he was controlled and was forced to keep persecuting the Israelites leading to disasters on Egypt.

God is able to tell which actions will produce the most good because he knows everything

Humans don’t know everything, which is why God gives us the simple guideline of which actions to do and not do

Islam on the other hand gives humans authority to make judgment and weigh the consequences of their actions

That’s anti god

 

[EmperorVon]

God is able to tell which actions will produce the most good because he knows everything

Humans don’t know everything, which is why God gives us the simple guideline of which actions to do and not do

Islam on the other hand gives humans authority to make judgment and weigh the consequences of their actions

That’s anti god

So god decides how everything will be and is allowed to control the decisions the pharaoh makes directly but the world is a mess because of our own free will. Nice try Christ cuck, it’s nothing but illogical drivel.

 

[Prøphet]

Initially you said we were perfect which means we would never have eaten the apple because we wouldn’t make mistakes but now we’re imperfect. Try to follow the logic

Something can be perfect for a period of time and then become imperfect

Like Earth and Humans

Because the decision that lead to imperfection wasn’t perfect, that decision was simply the beginning of the imperfection

 

[Prøphet]

Initially you said we were perfect which means we would never have eaten the apple because we wouldn’t made mistakes but now we’re imperfect because of that. Try to follow the logic

In other words the moment we made the mistake is when we became imperfect

 

[Prøphet]

According to you he is but the debate is about our world and how it’s all predetermined and his plan, because he designed it exactly that way despite knowing its exact outcome. Don’t run admit this

Just because he always knew what would happen doesnt mean we didn’t choose it

 

[EmperorVon]

In other words the moment we made the mistake is when we became imperfect

But a perfect being would never make that mistake you retard. Do you not understand the flaw in your statement?

 

[EmperorVon]

Just because he always knew what would happen doesnt mean we didn’t choose it

He created everything in a way where he knew how it would all turn out, that doesn’t matter. That’s like saying the ai in a game chose to go to the finish line even though everything was designed in a way it was bound to happen.

 

[Prøphet]

But a perfect being would never make that mistake you retard. Do you not understand the flaw in your statement?

If we were perfect while making the mistake you would be correct

But when Adam and Eve touched the apple they simultaneously became imperfect

A perfect human would never make that decision but an imperfect one would

Adam and Eve were imperfect when they made the decision

Perfection doesn’t necessarily imply eternal perfection

 

[Prøphet]

He created everything in a way where he knew how it would all turn out, that doesn’t matter. That’s like saying the ai in a game chose to go to the finish line even though everything was designed in a way it was bound to happen.

It was bound to happen, so what?

 

[EmperorVon]

It was bound to happen, so what?

That destroys the notion of free will and that our problems are due to us not god. When you just admitted it’s because of your god dumbass. I’d love to see the mental gymnastics to get out of this.

 

[EmperorVon]

If we were perfect while making the mistake you would be correct

But when Adam and Eve touched the apple they simultaneously became imperfect

A perfect human would never make that decision but an imperfect one would

Adam and Eve were imperfect when they made the decision

Perfection doesn’t necessarily imply eternal perfection

The perfect being would never have touched the apple in the first place or deny the will of god dumbass.

 

[Prøphet]

That destroys the notion of free will and that our problems are due to us not god. When you just admitted it’s because of your god dumbass. I’d love to see the mental gymnastics to get out of this.

Adam and eve didn’t specifically make the choice to sin because god created them

They made the choice out of selfishness

They could have made the choice to not eat the apple but they didn’t, they used free will to make that choice, even if it was bound to happen, the cause doesnt negate their choice

It’s a compatibilist view, both free will and determinism can coexist with each other

 

[EmperorVon]

Adam and eve didn’t specifically make the choice to sin because god created them

They made the choice out of selfishness

They could have made the choice to not eat the apple but they didn’t, they used free will to make that choice, even if it was bound to happen, the cause doesnt negate their choice

It’s a compatibilist view, both free will and determinism can coexist with each other

So they’re not perfect like you claimed. They were always capable of selfishness like god designed them to be the same god who knew they would eat the apple because he’s omniscient!

 

[Prøphet]

The perfect being would never have touched the apple in the first place or deny the will of god dumbass.

Do you think just because something is perfect once, that means it can never become imperfect?

 

[EmperorVon]

Do you think just because something is perfect once, that means it can never become imperfect?

If god designed them to be perfect he did a pretty crappy job then.

 

[Prøphet]

If god designed them to be perfect he did a pretty crappy job then.

1. God designs something to be perfect

2. That thing is designed with the ability to make independent choice, outside of God’s control.

3. The thing makes the choice outside of God’s control to sin

4. The thing becomes imperfect not due to God, but due to it’s own choice

Tell me which one of these you disagree with

 

[EmperorVon]

1. God designs something to be perfect

2. That thing is designed with the ability to make independent choice, outside of God’s control.

3. The thing makes the choice outside of God’s control to sin

4. The thing becomes imperfect not due to God, but due to it’s own choice

Tell me which one of these you disagree with

1. God designs something to be perfect which isn’t perfect.
2. That thing is designed to make independent choices in which god already knows every single one of those choices his creation will make.
3. That thing is not perfect as it disobeyed god and chose to eat the apple which a perfect being would never choose to do only an inherently imperfect one.
4. The thing never becomes imperfect it always had to be too make that decision in the first place.

Tell me which one of these you disagree with

 

[Prøphet]

1. God designs something to be perfect which isn’t perfect.
2. That thing is designed to make independent choices in which god already knows every single one of those choices his creation will make.
3. That thing is not perfect as it disobeyed god and chose to eat the apple which a perfect being would never choose to do only an inherently imperfect one.
4. The thing never becomes imperfect it always had to be too make that decision in the first place.

Tell me which one of these you disagree with

1. You left out that the states of perfection and imperfection are separated by time and choice

2. No contradiction here, both of these things are true at once

3. “Inherently” doesn’t fit here. It used to be perfect, now it’s imperfect. The direct cause of this change was their free choice.

4. If a thing always has to be imperfect in order to ever become imperfect, then perfection can only be an eternal and timeless quality, which it isn’t.

 

[EmperorVon]

1. You left out that the states of perfection and imperfection are separated by time and choice

2. No contradiction here, both of these things are true at once

3. “Inherently” doesn’t fit here. It used to be perfect, now it’s imperfect. The direct cause of this change was their free choice.

4. If a thing always has to be imperfect in order to ever become imperfect, then perfection can only be an eternal and timeless quality, which it isn’t.

You left out the fact that a perfect being would never have disobeyed god, do you not understand what made perfect means. They would never make the choice to eat the apple only a non perfect being would ever choose to eat the apple. You seem incapable of understanding basic logic.

 

[Prøphet]

You left out the fact that a perfect being would never have disobeyed god, do you not understand what made perfect means. They would never make the choice to eat the apple only a non perfect being would ever choose to eat the apple. You seem incapable of understanding basic logic.

Bro just answer this with yes or no and I’ll explain my entire thought process

“Is perfection inherently eternal?”

 

[EmperorVon]

Bro just answer this with yes or no and I’ll explain my entire thought process

“Is perfection inherently eternal?”

No. Not necessarily but perfection in this scenario as in a being created to be perfect choosing to disobey its creator means it was never perfect as it would never choose to make that decision which will make it imperfect as the perfect being would not inherently ever make that decision.

 

[Prøphet]

No. Not necessarily but perfection in this scenario as in a being created to be perfect choosing to disobey its creator means it was never perfect as it would never choose to make that decision which will make it imperfect as the perfect being would not inherently ever make that decision.

We weren’t created to be perfect forever

We were created to be perfect period.

Our own free will is the reason our perfection couldn’t be eternal, it existed at one time and then it was gone.

You’re saying a perfect being cannot make an imperfect choice and I agree

I’m saying when we made the choice we were imperfect

Why did we become imperfect when we were perfect before?

Because the result of what we used choice for was imperfect

 

[EmperorVon]

“We weren’t created to be perfect forever” A flaw of gods creation
“We were created to be perfect period.” But makes an imperfect decision relatively recently after its creation
“Our own free will is the reason our perfection couldn’t be eternal, it existed at one time and then it was gone.” Free will to make decisions god knew we would make, creating Adam and Eve in the exact design to make said decisions
“You’re saying a perfect being cannot make an imperfect choice and I agree”
“I’m saying when we made the choice we were imperfect” What I said glad you understand now
“Why did we become imperfect when we were perfect before?” Ooh!
“Because the result of what we used choice for was imperfect” Something a being that was never perfect would do moron
@Prøphet

 

[Prøphet]

“We weren’t created to be perfect forever” A flaw of gods creation
“We were created to be perfect period.” But makes an imperfect decision relatively recently after its creation
“Our own free will is the reason our perfection couldn’t be eternal, it existed at one time and then it was gone.” Free will to make decisions god knew we would make, creating Adam and Eve in the exact design to make said decisions
“You’re saying a perfect being cannot make an imperfect choice and I agree”
“I’m saying when we made the choice we were imperfect” What I said glad you understand now
“Why did we become imperfect when we were perfect before?” Ooh!
“Because the result of what we used choice for was imperfect” Something a being that was never perfect would do moron
@Prøphet

It’s not a flaw, it’s on purpose

If he controlled our choices then we wouldn’t be able to make choices

He knows what choices we’ll make but he chooses not to control them


A being that was once perfect isn’t immune to falling into imperfection, all it takes is an imperfect choice, as soon as a perfect being makes an imperfect choice it becomes imperfect, the perfect being didn’t make the choice, the imperfect version did