"Ashkenazi Jews are white European"

[hopecel]

this is my response to this @TheStonerOne's thread:

If Ashkenazi Jews aren't "white European" then neither are Southern Italians and Greeks.

One of the (many) reasons why white supremacists why white supremacists exclude Ashkenazim from the oh so exclusive club of "whiteness" is due to their Middle Eastern ancestry. Ironically enough, they use Lazaridis' 2014 study to "prove" that Ashkenazim aren't "white". Before getting into how...

looksmax.org

well I'll give you 6 reasons why you can't compare Ashkenazi Jews to these two and why they're not white European:

1. Ashkenazi aren't white European because they're originally a Semitic group. Sure, they mixed with Europeans a lot and that's why they often look similar to European people. However, we all know their DNA is about 30-60% non-European, depending on a person.
You may compare them to originally non-European Hungarians, Finns and Estonians - well these peoples are more than 95% European GENETIC-WISE. And that brings us to my point number 2.

2. Race is not just about your DNA, it's also about culture and FEELING (internal and external).
Some Romanians or Slovaks will maybe make fun of Hungarians that they're "Mongols" but at the end of the day, they're similar to their neighbours. They're alienated because of their language, not anything else.
Romani people are also heavily mixed with Europeans and their South Asian admixture is sometimes very low, let's say only 20-40%. They sometimes look similar to Europeans. But you know what? Nobody considers them European. The same goes for Jews, whether they be Ashkenazi or even Sephardic - nobody sees them as fellow Europeans simply because they aren't, neither genetically nor culturally.

3. This is kinda addition to my previous two points: if they were "the same as us" they wouldn't had been alienated by Europeans. Not only because of their religion and culture, but also their specific appearance.
I mean just look at antisemitic propaganda in Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Nazi Germany and other countries. If they're the same race, why would you caricature "your fellows" that btw don't even look like your fellows?

4. Ashkenazi Jews just like Sephardic Jews aren't native to Europe, just like Romani people aren't. They're outsiders here. Their native land is in the Levant.
"Swarthy" Southern Europeans are, on the other hand, native to Europe, their countries are their homelands. They're connected to the Mediterranean, just like Northern Europeans are rooted in Scandinavia and so on.
Jews lived in Europe for centuries but that didn't make them European. If an European lives in Africa for 7 centuries, does that make him African?

5. Cherry-picking is annoying because it's inconsistent. Not all Ashkenazis look the same. They're diverse.
"Ashkenazi are light-haired so they're not the real Jews" - well then that means Muhammad al-Yaqoubi, Muhammad's descendant isn't Arab because he's a ginger and looks Celtic. I've seen many blue-eyed Arabs. Does that makes them less Semitic? Also, it's not all about colouring - look at Mark Zuckerberg, he doesn't look white to me.

6. Whiteness as a racial category is a social construct so we can consider white whoever we think (or FEEL!) we should.
In America, even Indians and Arabs are considered white, so are Jews as well. Let me tell you something - whiteness is artifical but if we're making it meaningful then let's stick it to Europeanness. We all know well who's European and who's not so let me tell you in the name of all of us Europeans - Ashkenazi belong to the Levant and Greeks, Sicilians, Sardinians, Portuguese, Albanians, Spaniards, Bulgarians, East Slavs and so on - BELONG TO EUROPE BECAUSE THEIR HOME IS THERE.

@DarkTriadBeliever @Saint Casanova @Olivecel @Copercel

 

[hopecel]

@6ft4 @Debetro @HeavyMetalcel @looksmaxxed @GreekGenes

 

[Copercel]

this is my response to this @TheStonerOne's thread:

If Ashkenazi Jews aren't "white European" then neither are Southern Italians and Greeks.

One of the (many) reasons why white supremacists why white supremacists exclude Ashkenazim from the oh so exclusive club of "whiteness" is due to their Middle Eastern ancestry. Ironically enough, they use Lazaridis' 2014 study to "prove" that Ashkenazim aren't "white". Before getting into how...

looksmax.org

well I'll give you 6 reasons why you can't compare Ashkenazi Jews to these two and why they're not white European:

1. Ashkenazi aren't white European because they're originally a Semitic group. Sure, they mixed with Europeans a lot and that's why they often look similar to European people. However, we all know their DNA is about 30-60% non-European, depending on a person.
You may compare them to originally non-European Hungarians, Finns and Estonians - well these peoples are more than 95% European GENETIC-WISE. And that brings us to my point number 2.

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2. Race is not just about your DNA, it's also about culture and FEELING (internal and external).
Some Romanians or Slovaks will maybe make fun of Hungarians that they're "Mongols" but at the end of the day, they're similar to their neighbours. They're alienated because of their language, not anything else.
Romani people are also heavily mixed with Europeans and their South Asian admixture is sometimes very low, let's say only 20-40%. They sometimes look similar to Europeans. But you know what? Nobody considers them European. The same goes for Jews, whether they be Ashkenazi or even Sephardic - nobody sees them as fellow Europeans simply because they aren't, neither genetically nor culturally.

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3. This is kinda addition to my previous two points: if they were "the same as us" they wouldn't had been alienated by Europeans. Not only because of their religion and culture, but also their specific appearance.
I mean just look at antisemitic propaganda in Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Nazi Germany and other countries. If they're the same race, why would you caricature "your fellows" that btw don't even look like your fellows?

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4. Ashkenazi Jews just like Sephardic Jews aren't native to Europe, just like Romani people aren't. They're outsiders here. Their native land is in the Levant.
"Swarthy" Southern Europeans are, on the other hand, native to Europe, their countries are their homelands. They're connected to the Mediterranean, just like Northern Europeans are rooted in Scandinavia and so on.
Jews lived in Europe for centuries but that didn't make them European. If an European lives in Africa for 7 centuries, does that make him African?

5. Cherry-picking is annoying because it's inconsistent. Not all Ashkenazis look the same. They're diverse.
"Ashkenazi are light-haired so they're not the real Jews" - well then that means Muhammad al-Yaqoubi, Muhammad's descendant isn't Arab because he's a ginger and looks Celtic. I've seen many blue-eyed Arabs. Does that makes them less Semitic? Also, it's not all about colouring - look at Mark Zuckerberg, he doesn't look white to me.

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6. Whiteness as a racial category is a social construct so we can consider white whoever we think (or FEEL!) we should.
In America, even Indians and Arabs are considered white, so are Jews as well. Let me tell you something - whiteness is artifical but if we're making it meaningful then let's stick it to Europeanness. We all know well who's European and who's not so let me tell you in the name of all of us Europeans - Ashkenazi belong to the Levant and Greeks, Sicilians, Sardinians, Portuguese, Albanians, Spaniards, Bulgarians, East Slavs and so on - BELONG TO EUROPE BECAUSE THEIR HOME IS THERE.

@DarkTriadBeliever @Saint Casanova @Olivecel @Copercel

The truth shall be spoken and it does

 

[hopecel]

The truth shall be spoken and it does

and just to add that Ashkenazi Jews are minority in Israel so even if they "sent them back to Europe", most Jews would stay in Israel

Ashkenazi Jews make a majority of Jewish population in the United States tho

 

[Copercel]

and just to add that Ashkenazi Jews are minority in Israel so even if they "sent them back to Europe", most Jews would stay in Israel

Ashkenazi Jews make a majority of Jewish population in the United States tho

Indeed

I self-loathe my half Mizrahi side

 

[hopecel]

Indeed

I self-loathe my half Mizrahi side

why's that, sir? Mizrahi baddies are BOTB @John666282

 

[Jason Voorhees]

My manager is a ashkenazi jew and he looks identical to someone from England absolutely nothing gives him away as jew. Literally as white as they come. You would guess British or Scottish if you saw him.

 

[IraniancelV2]

 

[Copercel]

why's that, sir? Mizrahi baddies are BOTB @John666282

I hate them, they are inferior to the ashkenazis imo

 

[hopecel]

My manager is a ashkenazi jew and he looks identical to someone from England absolutely nothing gives him away as jew. Literally as white as they come. You would guess British or Scottish if you saw him.

okay but then again, I've seen people from the Levant that look Greek or Italian or Slavic does that mean Arabs are vite?

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I'm still in uni YOU GRANDPA

I hate them, they are inferior to the ashkenazis imo

do you like Ethiopian Jewish baddies?

 

[IraniancelV2]

I'm still in uni YOU GRANDPA

 

[whiteegyptian]

Nigga came back and was stronger than ever, keep cooking

 

[Copercel]

do you like Ethiopian Jewish baddies?

Yes

 

[hopecel]

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no I go to actual uni you UNCLE

 

[TheStonerOne]

I never said that Ashkenazi Jews are "white". In fact, I don't believe you can classify such a people by binary concepts of "white" or "non-white". They display far more physical heterogenity than Northern Europeans.

The point is that the above two groups are very genetically similar to Ashkenazi Jews on top of being darker skinned on average. If white supremacists from Stormfront and the like obviously exclude Jews, then it makes sense to exclude people who are CLOSEST to Jews.

I never said Ashkenazi Jews were "white". I'm saying there's too much overlap between Greeks (particularly Island ones), Southern Italians and Ashkenazim (and to a lesser extent Sephardim) to make arbitrary distinctions between them that don't exist.

Saying that Ashkenazi Jews aren't "European" but "Levantine" is a false dilemma fallacy. They're BOTH. How are Ashkenazim not seen as "European" in 2025? Don't extremist pro-Palestinians see them as "purely European" or "European converts" to Judaism? They say that because they're ignoramuses who use Zionist arguments but in reverse.

Also, comparing Ashkenazim to Roma doesn't make sense. Roma have an ancestry that is notably more divergent than Ashkenazim. Levantines are closer to (Southern) Europeans than they are to South Asians.

The ancestry of Southern Italians and Ashkenazim overwhelmingly overlaps. Any genetic comments to one applies to the other. If Ashkenazim "aren't European" then neither are Southern Italians (Sicilians particularly)

Both Sicilians and Ashkenazim (as well as Turkish Jews and to a lesser extent Libyan and Tunisian Jews) have an ancestry that is "admixed Middle Eastern/European").

Also, antisemitism in Europe was largely a Northern European phenomenon. It did take place in Italy, but even Mussolini and the Italian fascists did not understand the German kind of antisemitism and German style antisemitism only became more prominent in Italy after Nordicism spread. Before that, Mediterraneanists in Italy considered Jews to be NATIVE to Italy.

In Greece, again, there just wasn't antisemitism like there was in Germany.

A lot of Northern European specific concepts were imposed on Greece due to myths Greece was a unique progenitor of Western civilisation. But it wasn't and Ancient Greeks never had any affinities with Northern Europeans. Antisemitism being one of them.

The Ancient Greeks and even Romans did not have particularly nice things to say about Northern Europeans. It's also why Edward Said's "Orientalism" doesn't make sense since he's trying to equate things that aren't alike. Imposing anachronistic concepts onto Ancient Greeks and Romans that they never held.

So you can't compare Greece and Italy to Germany.

PS: Also, Northern Italians did say that Southern Italians weren't really European and Italians as a whole were not seen as "white" in either Australia or the United States until the the 20th century and not even its earliest points.

 

[mrdouchebag]

Based and aryanpilled.
Fuck the jews.

 

[hopecel]

I never said that Ashkenazi Jews are "white". In fact, I don't believe you can classify such a people by binary concepts of "white" or "non-white". They display far more physical heterogenity than Northern Europeans.

The point is that the above two groups are very genetically similar to Ashkenazi Jews on top of being darker skinned on average. If white supremacists from Stormfront and the like obviously exclude Jews, then it makes sense to exclude people who are CLOSEST to Jews.

I never said Ashkenazi Jews were "white". I'm saying there's too much overlap between Greeks (particularly Island ones), Southern Italians and Ashkenazim (and to a lesser extent Sephardim) to make arbitrary distinctions between them that don't exist.

because race is not just about appearance

"swarthy" Greeks and Italians are closer to me than European-passing Saudis

Saying that Ashkenazi Jews aren't "European" but "Levantine" is a false dilemma fallacy. They're BOTH. How are Ashkenazim not seen as "European" in 2025? Don't extremist pro-Palestinians see them as "purely European" or "European converts" to Judaism? They say that because they're ignoramuses who use Zionist arguments but in reverse.

they do and they do so because they're dumb

I've already proven why they're not, they belong to Israel and not Europe

Also, comparing Ashkenazim to Roma doesn't make sense. Roma have an ancestry that is notably more divergent than Ashkenazim. Levantines are closer to (Southern) Europeans than they are to South Asians.

that's true but it's not a big deal

Anatolians have ties with Southern Europe, does it mean we should put Albanians and Bulgarians in the same category with Kurds and Armenians?

The ancestry of Southern Italians and Ashkenazim overwhelmingly overlaps. Any genetic comments to one applies to the other. If Ashkenazim "aren't European" then neither are Southern Italians (Sicilians particularly)

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Both Sicilians and Ashkenazim (as well as Turkish Jews and to a lesser extent Libyan and Tunisian Jews) have an ancestry that is "admixed Middle Eastern/European").

that doesn't work like that buddy

Jews are outsiders in Europe while those Southern Europeans are genetically mixed and/or bastardised, but they're still European, they're native to Europe

Also, antisemitism in Europe was largely a Northern European phenomenon. It did take place in Italy, but even Mussolini and the Italian fascists did not understand the German kind of antisemitism and German style antisemitism only became more prominent in Italy after Nordicism spread. Before that, Mediterraneanists in Italy considered Jews to be NATIVE to Italy.

In Greece, again, there just wasn't antisemitism like there was in Germany.

Jews aren't native to Italy nor any other European country

as for antisemitism, you really know nothing if you think it started with Hitler - and I'll stop here since I'm not gonna analyse every single country in Europe and its history of antisemitism - do it on your own but all I can tell you - it existed EVERYWHERE

A lot of Northern European specific concepts were imposed on Greece due to myths Greece was a unique progenitor of Western civilisation. But it wasn't and Ancient Greeks never had any affinities with Northern Europeans. Antisemitism being one of them.

ok, so?

The Ancient Greeks and even Romans did not have particularly nice things to say about Northern Europeans. It's also why Edward Said's "Orientalism" doesn't make sense since he's trying to equate things that aren't alike. Imposing anachronistic concepts onto Ancient Greeks and Romans that they never held.

so what? your point is very pointless

So you can't compare Greece and Italy to Germany.

PS: Also, Northern Italians did say that Southern Italians weren't really European and Italians as a whole were not seen as "white" in either Australia or the United States until the the 20th century and not even its earliest points.

as I said, whiteness is a social construct

if we want it to make sense, let's stick it to Europeanness and that's what I believe in

 

[hopecel]

Based and aryanpilled.
Fuck the jews.

wrong thread, I'm an anti-antisemite

fuck the Nazis and Aryans (Indo-Iranians) have nothing to do with this

 

[lastredeemer]

DNR fuck Eastern European yahud satan spawn

 

[hopecel]

DNR fuck Eastern European yahud satan spawn

they belong to Israel, not Eastern Europe

 

[TheStonerOne]

because race is not just about appearance

"swarthy" Greeks and Italians are closer to me than European-passing Saudis

they do and they do so because they're dumb

I've already proven why they're not, they belong to Israel and not Europe

that's true but it's not a big deal

Anatolians have ties with Southern Europe, does it mean we should put Albanians and Bulgarians in the same category with Kurds and Armenians?

that doesn't work like that buddy

Jews are outsiders in Europe while those Southern Europeans are genetically mixed and/or bastardised, but they're still European, they're native to Europe

Jews aren't native to Italy nor any other European country

as for antisemitism, you really know nothing if you think it started with Hitler - and I'll stop here since I'm not gonna analyse every single country in Europe and its history of antisemitism - do it on your own but all I can tell you - it existed EVERYWHERE

ok, so?

so what? your point is very pointless

as I said, whiteness is a social construct

if we want it to make sense, let's stick it to Europeanness and that's what I believe in

Skin colour has nothing to do with genetic relationships. Saudis are ARABIANS. They're not even closely related to other West Asians! They're not even THAT close to Yemenis. It's also rather rare for a Saudi to have light skin akin to a Northern European whereas intermediate skin is ubiquitous in Southern Europe particularly Greece and Southern Italy.

Again with the false dilemma fallacy. If you're mixed Levantine and European, you're BOTH Levantine AND European. Saying they're not "native to Europe" is factually, scientifically WRONG.

Why the special pleading fallacies? If Ashkenazi Jews are "outsiders" to Europe because of their ancestry, so are Cretans and Southern Italians who have the SAME ancestry and CLUSTER WITH ASHKENAZIM. No, you're wrong in all counts. All these populations are intermediate between Southern Europe and the Middle East. Southern Italians have ALWAYS had a distinctive ancestry to Northern Italians/most Europeans. They split from NItal several thousand years ago. I don't even need to get into Greece because that one is even easier to demonstrate.

Albanians and Bulgarians aren't even the most Middle Eastern shifted "Europeans"; that would be the Maltese (Crete isn't a country). This is a false equivalence fallacy. Ashkenazi Jews cluster with Cretans and Southern Italians. Albanians and Bulgarians do NOT cluster with Kurds and Armenians. Armenia is often considered in the boundaries of "Europe" so they're not even a "separate concept". Besides, we lump in West Asians with Saudis and other Arabians even though all of these populations are genetically closer to Southern Italians than to Arabians. We also lump in divergent "European" groups like the Saami and Sardinians (who are far more distant from each other than a Yemeni is to a Tuscan BTW). If we can't lump in Kurds with Southern Europeans, then we CERTAINLY can't lump in Poles with Southern Italians nor West Asians (Kurds included) with Arabians.

How are Ashkenazim not native to Italy when all research indicates that is the source of a substantial part of their ancestry? Again, because you have a Zionist mentality not too dissimilar to the Nazis. That the Jews of Europe "aren't of Europe". You're not really against antisemitism. You're just for Israel.

I never said antisemitism (which you're not against; you're just for Israel) is unique to Germany; it's largely a Christian phenomenon in general. But it PEAKED in Germany and took on a uniquely destructive form in Germany.

Palestinians have far less admixture from non-Levantine sources than any Jewish group ESPECIALLY the Ashkenazim. They have far stronger ties to the land of PALESTINE than Ashkenazim who became Southern Italian in terms of their genome. Even Cypriots have more Levantine ancestry than both Ashkenazi or Sephardi Jews and they're the most "European" shifted Levantines.

Also, the Ashkenazi Zionists used European settler colonialism in their ideology and actions against the Palestinians.




Even if Ashkenazim were seen as "foreign" to Europe, they're not anymore.

I'm aware "race" and "whiteness" is a social construct. I've been saying that since the day I got here. Don't need to remind me. But ancestry is the part of the very small differences between humans we can determine.

The Ashkenazim developed within Europe. Not debatable. A large of their genome is (South) Italian. Not debatable. Yes, they were seen as outsiders. Not anymore. Not for a long time.

They're European. End of.

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

they're originally a Semitic group.

you've already lost

they're not a semitic group. they're just white people who want to be minorities so bad that they made up their history and used it to take back land from muslims that actually belongs to actual jews

it's kind of like if 500 years from now wiggers convinced the world that they're actually black

it really is that absurd

 

[John666282]

why's that, sir? Mizrahi baddies are BOTB @John666282

 

[hopecel]

Skin colour has nothing to do with genetic relationships. Saudis are ARABIANS. They're not even closely related to other West Asians! They're not even THAT close to Yemenis. It's also rather rare for a Saudi to have light skin akin to a Northern European whereas intermediate skin is ubiquitous in Southern Europe particularly Greece and Southern Italy.

ok, so? they're still European

Again with the false dilemma fallacy. If you're mixed Levantine and European, you're BOTH Levantine AND European. Saying they're not "native to Europe" is factually, scientifically WRONG.

okay, does that mean African-Americans are both African and European they have some white blood?

race is not just about your genes, it's about your feeling and culture as well... your definition of race is kinda racist, you're close to One-drop rule

Why the special pleading fallacies? If Ashkenazi Jews are "outsiders" to Europe because of their ancestry, so are Cretans and Southern Italians who have the SAME ancestry and CLUSTER WITH ASHKENAZIM. No, you're wrong in all counts. All these populations are intermediate between Southern Europe and the Middle East. Southern Italians have ALWAYS had a distinctive ancestry to Northern Italians/most Europeans. They split from NItal several thousand years ago. I don't even need to get into Greece because that one is even easier to demonstrate.

I'm not even claiming Europeans are homogenous since we're not? we're diverse yet we're still Europeans

as for Cretans and Sicilians, they're Europeans with some outsider admixture that come with certain invaders, meanwhile Ashkenazi are outsiders who mixed a lot with Europeans for centuries yet stayed outsiders

again, it's not all about genes, race is more about your feelings, shared values and culture

Albanians and Bulgarians aren't even the most Middle Eastern shifted "Europeans"; that would be the Maltese (Crete isn't a country). This is a false equivalence fallacy. Ashkenazi Jews cluster with Cretans and Southern Italians. Albanians and Bulgarians do NOT cluster with Kurds and Armenians. Armenia is often considered in the boundaries of "Europe" so they're not even a "separate concept". Besides, we lump in West Asians with Saudis and other Arabians even though all of these populations are genetically closer to Southern Italians than to Arabians. We also lump in divergent "European" groups like the Saami and Sardinians (who are far more distant from each other than a Yemeni is to a Tuscan BTW). If we can't lump in Kurds with Southern Europeans, then we CERTAINLY can't lump in Poles with Southern Italians nor West Asians (Kurds included) with Arabians.

again, you're racist and your logic is exclusively based on genetics - there's nothing Mediterraneans have to do with Kurds but there's a lot of things that connect Poles with Sicilians, just like there's a lot of things that connect Arabs with Kurds, Iranians or even Turks

How are Ashkenazim not native to Italy when all research indicates that is the source of a substantial part of their ancestry? Again, because you have a Zionist mentality not too dissimilar to the Nazis. That the Jews of Europe "aren't of Europe". You're not really against antisemitism. You're just for Israel.

I never said antisemitism (which you're not against; you're just for Israel) is unique to Germany; it's largely a Christian phenomenon in general. But it PEAKED in Germany and took on a uniquely destructive form in Germany.

Ashkenazi are a Jewish diaspora in Europe, they're native to Israel and you're antisemitic if you deny that... Italy IS NOT their homeland

Palestinians have far less admixture from non-Levantine sources than any Jewish group ESPECIALLY the Ashkenazim. They have far stronger ties to the land of PALESTINE than Ashkenazim who became Southern Italian in terms of their genome. Even Cypriots have more Levantine ancestry than both Ashkenazi or Sephardi Jews and they're the most "European" shifted Levantines.

again and again, you're racist

you're telling me Jews aren't "real Middle Easterners" because they mixed here and there, have blue eyes sometimes and are more likely to get skin cancer than Arabs all the same stupid arguments which you articulate well but it doesn't make them any more meaningful - Israel have a right to exist even if all the Jews were just 0.1% "genetically" Jewish because the land of Israel belongs to them, not to Palestinians which didn't even have such identity until relatively recent past

Also, the Ashkenazi Zionists used European settler colonialism in their ideology and actions against the Palestinians.

holy bullshit

more than 95% of these points are utter bullshit but I have no time to debunk everything since I already lost more than an hour of time on this nonsense

debating a leftist is like talking to the wall anyway

aww Arabs who have more than 20 states with total area of more than 13 millions of square kilometres can't accept that Jews have a right to have a tiny state in their ancestral homeland with area of 22 thousands of square kilometres (600 times smaller!!!)

I can't take these people seriously... even if Israel was equal to "white ethnostate", it still has a right to exist and to have its own demographical policy... is a state that doesn't allow to get replaced by foreigners "racist"?

Even if Ashkenazim were seen as "foreign" to Europe, they're not anymore.

they are, if you said you're Jewish everyone would associate you with Israel, simply those people are a diaspora here

I'm aware "race" and "whiteness" is a social construct. I've been saying that since the day I got here. Don't need to remind me. But ancestry is the part of the very small differences between humans we can determine.

The Ashkenazim developed within Europe. Not debatable. A large of their genome is (South) Italian. Not debatable. Yes, they were seen as outsiders. Not anymore. Not for a long time.

They're European. End of.

they're not European, just like Romani people aren't European, they're South Asian and all Jews are Middle Eastern, no matter how much they mixed with Europeans

you've already lost

they're not a semitic group. they're just white people who want to be minorities so bad that they made up their history and used it to take back land from muslims that actually belongs to actual jews

it's kind of like if 500 years from now wiggers convinced the world that they're actually black

it really is that absurd

sure

 

[Ghoulish]

this is my response to this @TheStonerOne's thread:

If Ashkenazi Jews aren't "white European" then neither are Southern Italians and Greeks.

One of the (many) reasons why white supremacists why white supremacists exclude Ashkenazim from the oh so exclusive club of "whiteness" is due to their Middle Eastern ancestry. Ironically enough, they use Lazaridis' 2014 study to "prove" that Ashkenazim aren't "white". Before getting into how...

looksmax.org

well I'll give you 6 reasons why you can't compare Ashkenazi Jews to these two and why they're not white European:

1. Ashkenazi aren't white European because they're originally a Semitic group. Sure, they mixed with Europeans a lot and that's why they often look similar to European people. However, we all know their DNA is about 30-60% non-European, depending on a person.
You may compare them to originally non-European Hungarians, Finns and Estonians - well these peoples are more than 95% European GENETIC-WISE. And that brings us to my point number 2.

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2. Race is not just about your DNA, it's also about culture and FEELING (internal and external).
Some Romanians or Slovaks will maybe make fun of Hungarians that they're "Mongols" but at the end of the day, they're similar to their neighbours. They're alienated because of their language, not anything else.
Romani people are also heavily mixed with Europeans and their South Asian admixture is sometimes very low, let's say only 20-40%. They sometimes look similar to Europeans. But you know what? Nobody considers them European. The same goes for Jews, whether they be Ashkenazi or even Sephardic - nobody sees them as fellow Europeans simply because they aren't, neither genetically nor culturally.

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3. This is kinda addition to my previous two points: if they were "the same as us" they wouldn't had been alienated by Europeans. Not only because of their religion and culture, but also their specific appearance.
I mean just look at antisemitic propaganda in Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Nazi Germany and other countries. If they're the same race, why would you caricature "your fellows" that btw don't even look like your fellows?

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4. Ashkenazi Jews just like Sephardic Jews aren't native to Europe, just like Romani people aren't. They're outsiders here. Their native land is in the Levant.
"Swarthy" Southern Europeans are, on the other hand, native to Europe, their countries are their homelands. They're connected to the Mediterranean, just like Northern Europeans are rooted in Scandinavia and so on.
Jews lived in Europe for centuries but that didn't make them European. If an European lives in Africa for 7 centuries, does that make him African?

5. Cherry-picking is annoying because it's inconsistent. Not all Ashkenazis look the same. They're diverse.
"Ashkenazi are light-haired so they're not the real Jews" - well then that means Muhammad al-Yaqoubi, Muhammad's descendant isn't Arab because he's a ginger and looks Celtic. I've seen many blue-eyed Arabs. Does that makes them less Semitic? Also, it's not all about colouring - look at Mark Zuckerberg, he doesn't look white to me.

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6. Whiteness as a racial category is a social construct so we can consider white whoever we think (or FEEL!) we should.
In America, even Indians and Arabs are considered white, so are Jews as well. Let me tell you something - whiteness is artifical but if we're making it meaningful then let's stick it to Europeanness. We all know well who's European and who's not so let me tell you in the name of all of us Europeans - Ashkenazi belong to the Levant and Greeks, Sicilians, Sardinians, Portuguese, Albanians, Spaniards, Bulgarians, East Slavs and so on - BELONG TO EUROPE BECAUSE THEIR HOME IS THERE.

@DarkTriadBeliever @Saint Casanova @Olivecel @Copercel

Blah blah blah white gyal this white gyal dat, i just want a soft assed pawg bro

 

[hopecel]

Blah blah blah white gyal this white gyal dat, i just want a soft assed pawg bro

they belong to dark men

 

[Olivecel]

this is my response to this @TheStonerOne's thread:

If Ashkenazi Jews aren't "white European" then neither are Southern Italians and Greeks.

One of the (many) reasons why white supremacists why white supremacists exclude Ashkenazim from the oh so exclusive club of "whiteness" is due to their Middle Eastern ancestry. Ironically enough, they use Lazaridis' 2014 study to "prove" that Ashkenazim aren't "white". Before getting into how...

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well I'll give you 6 reasons why you can't compare Ashkenazi Jews to these two and why they're not white European:

1. Ashkenazi aren't white European because they're originally a Semitic group. Sure, they mixed with Europeans a lot and that's why they often look similar to European people. However, we all know their DNA is about 30-60% non-European, depending on a person.
You may compare them to originally non-European Hungarians, Finns and Estonians - well these peoples are more than 95% European GENETIC-WISE. And that brings us to my point number 2.

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2. Race is not just about your DNA, it's also about culture and FEELING (internal and external).
Some Romanians or Slovaks will maybe make fun of Hungarians that they're "Mongols" but at the end of the day, they're similar to their neighbours. They're alienated because of their language, not anything else.
Romani people are also heavily mixed with Europeans and their South Asian admixture is sometimes very low, let's say only 20-40%. They sometimes look similar to Europeans. But you know what? Nobody considers them European. The same goes for Jews, whether they be Ashkenazi or even Sephardic - nobody sees them as fellow Europeans simply because they aren't, neither genetically nor culturally.

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3. This is kinda addition to my previous two points: if they were "the same as us" they wouldn't had been alienated by Europeans. Not only because of their religion and culture, but also their specific appearance.
I mean just look at antisemitic propaganda in Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Nazi Germany and other countries. If they're the same race, why would you caricature "your fellows" that btw don't even look like your fellows?

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4. Ashkenazi Jews just like Sephardic Jews aren't native to Europe, just like Romani people aren't. They're outsiders here. Their native land is in the Levant.
"Swarthy" Southern Europeans are, on the other hand, native to Europe, their countries are their homelands. They're connected to the Mediterranean, just like Northern Europeans are rooted in Scandinavia and so on.
Jews lived in Europe for centuries but that didn't make them European. If an European lives in Africa for 7 centuries, does that make him African?

5. Cherry-picking is annoying because it's inconsistent. Not all Ashkenazis look the same. They're diverse.
"Ashkenazi are light-haired so they're not the real Jews" - well then that means Muhammad al-Yaqoubi, Muhammad's descendant isn't Arab because he's a ginger and looks Celtic. I've seen many blue-eyed Arabs. Does that makes them less Semitic? Also, it's not all about colouring - look at Mark Zuckerberg, he doesn't look white to me.

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6. Whiteness as a racial category is a social construct so we can consider white whoever we think (or FEEL!) we should.
In America, even Indians and Arabs are considered white, so are Jews as well. Let me tell you something - whiteness is artifical but if we're making it meaningful then let's stick it to Europeanness. We all know well who's European and who's not so let me tell you in the name of all of us Europeans - Ashkenazi belong to the Levant and Greeks, Sicilians, Sardinians, Portuguese, Albanians, Spaniards, Bulgarians, East Slavs and so on - BELONG TO EUROPE BECAUSE THEIR HOME IS THERE.

@DarkTriadBeliever @Saint Casanova @Olivecel @Copercel

All true but let’s be real, If Ashkenazi are not white neither are Greeks or southern Italians based on their dna similarities.

 

[hopecel]

All true but let’s be real, If Ashkenazi are not white neither are Greeks or southern Italians based on their dna similarities.

brother, whiteness is a social construct - blond-haired blue-eyed Arabs aren't the same race as us Europeans - whiteness only makes sense when we stick it to Europeanness which is why Greeks, Sicilians, Portuguese are 'white' and Ashkenazi aren't

Ashekazi are a mixed group with non-European origin while you are Europeans with some foreign genetic and cultural influence

 

[Olivecel]

brother, whiteness is a social construct - blond-haired blue-eyed Arabs aren't the same race as us Europeans - whiteness only makes sense when we stick it to Europeanness which is why Greeks, Sicilians, Portuguese are 'white' and Ashkenazi aren't

Ashekazi are a mixed group with non-European origin while you are Europeans with some foreign genetic and cultural influence

So Jews aren’t white despite being genetically similar to Sicilians and Greeks, all due to their religion and Semitic cultural identity.

 

[hopecel]

So Jews aren’t white despite being genetically similar to Sicilians and Greeks, all due to their religion and Semitic cultural identity.

pretty much

Jewish homeland is the Levant, your homeland is Europe

whiteness = Europeanness