At what height is it completely over where limb lengthens surgery is required no matter if the face is htn-chadlite level

[nabiodcels]

I’m talking about mainly the US here’s and other western countries, not the tall European lands or the malnourished countries of Africa and Asia where people are 5’0 jfl. This is mainly referring to America and maybe UK

 

[pahadi mogger]

5’4? 5’5? 5’6? I’m talking about mainly the US here’s and other western countries, not the tall European lands or the malnourished countries of Africa and Asia where people are 5’0 jfl. This is mainly referring to America and maybe UK

5'6" and below in the West is when you enter true LDAR territory unless you're built like a fire hydrant with a face that could stop traffic. Below 5'4"? Yeah, it's LL or cope, no amount of frame or status fully compensates at that point in the sexual marketplace. That said, even at 5'6" you're playing life on hard mode , every inch below 5'8" is another tax on your SMV that has to be paid with other attributes.

 

[mikeperry271]

5'6" and below in the West is when you enter true LDAR territory unless you're built like a fire hydrant with a face that could stop traffic. Below 5'4"? Yeah, it's LL or cope, no amount of frame or status fully compensates at that point in the sexual marketplace. That said, even at 5'6" you're playing life on hard mode , every inch below 5'8" is another tax on your SMV that has to be paid with other attributes.

75% of women in the US have set their minimum height requirement at 5'11 or higher on OLD.
So below 5'11 is already a very dangerous zone.
5'8 is manlet in as it's below the average (5'9 in general and 5'10 for men between 18-24)

 

[nabiodcels]

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75% of women in the US have set their minimum height requirement at 5'11 or higher on OLD.
So below 5'11 is already a very dangerous zone.
5'8 is manlet in as it's below the average (5'9 in general and 5'10 for men between 18-24)

I don’t think 5’8 is Manley lol I’m 5’11 and I’m not much taller than 5’8 or 5’9 is 5’8 death tier height

 

[mikeperry271]

I don’t think 5’8 is Manley lol I’m 5’11 and I’m not much taller than 5’8 or 5’9 is 5’8 death tier height

5'8 is definitely short and in my terms manlet height.
Average for 18-24 year olds is 5'10 in US. Anything under this IS considered short. Whatever manlet is, is your own judgment.
Again, 75% of women on dating apps will NOT date a person under 5'11, so fill that in for yourself.

 

[Snicket]

5'8 is definitely short and in my terms manlet height.
Average for 18-24 year olds is 5'10 in US. Anything under this IS considered short. Whatever manlet is, is your own judgment.
Again, 75% of women on dating apps will NOT date a person under 5'11, so fill that in for yourself.

5ft 8 -9 is a great height for limb lengthening. Literally takes you of manletism.

 

[mikeperry271]

5ft 8 -9 is a great height for limb lengthening. Literally takes you of manletism.

I agree.
However, I would never condone LL. There are so many horror stories and imo it's too risky.
As I previously read another user say on this forum: "A healthy man has a bunch of wishes, a sick man only has one."

 

[davidlaidisme67]

Being below 5’10 is fucked imo

 

[Snicket]

I agree.
However, I would never condone LL. There are so many horror stories and imo it's too risky.
As I previously read another user say on this forum: "A healthy man has a bunch of wishes, a sick man only has one."

I'm 184 cm thankfully.
I've heard the risk profile is good with Paley and other top LL surgeons but you have to fork out something absurd like 200K for it.

 

[mikeperry271]

I'm 184 cm thankfully.
I've heard the risk profile is good with Paley and other top LL surgeons but you have to fork out something absurd like 200K for it.

200k can buy you a lambo and I'd say that'd makes you happier than a couple inches of extra height.

 

[Snicket]

200k can buy you a lambo and I'd say that'd makes you happier than a couple inches of extra height.

Probably although if I were under 5ft 6, I would seriously consider LL.
It must be incredibly demeaning being shorter than 14 year old boys as a fully grown man.

 

[LLcel]

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75% of women in the US have set their minimum height requirement at 5'11 or higher on OLD.
So below 5'11 is already a very dangerous zone.
5'8 is manlet in as it's below the average (5'9 in general and 5'10 for men between 18-24)

this is only in regards to dating apps where standards are skyrocketed.

id say in daily life if u cant fraud to 5,9 - 5,10 youll have to mega compensate with other things.

im 5,11+ with shoes and i height mog 80% of the people i see everyday.

that being said even if u are shorter than someone as long as you're tall enough to stand out in a crowd your face will be analyzed more than height and will attribute to ur smv if its hMTN +

 

[Snicket]

this is only in regards to dating apps where standards are skyrocketed.

id say in daily life if u cant fraud to 5,9 - 5,10 youll have to mega compensate with other things.

im 5,11+ with shoes and i height mog 80% of the people i see everyday.

that being said even if u are shorter than someone as long as you're tall enough to stand out in a crowd your face will stand out more than height and will attribute to ur smv if its hMTN +

Like my new avi, Red balls?

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

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75% of women in the US have set their minimum height requirement at 5'11 or higher on OLD.
So below 5'11 is already a very dangerous zone.
5'8 is manlet in as it's below the average (5'9 in general and 5'10 for men between 18-24)

they set 5'11 as the minimum because thats how tall they think the average 5'9 guy is. women have no actual perception of height, just look at the chart for more than 3 seconds and youll see how flawed it is, in what world is 6'7 the ideal male height jfl. and theres absolutely 0 chance that 55% of women are rejecting a guy because hes 6'1 lmao. they just think 6'1 is 6'3/6'4, and they think 5'10/5'11 is 6'1

 

[superpsycho]

anything under 5’9

 

[superpsycho]

w

they set 5'11 as the minimum because thats how tall they think the average 5'9 guy is. women have no actual perception of height, just look at the chart for more than 3 seconds and youll see how flawed it is, in what world is 6'7 the ideal male height jfl. and theres absolutely 0 chance that 55% of women are rejecting a guy because hes 6'1 lmao. they just think 6'1 is 6'3/6'4, and they think 5'10/5'11 is 6'

women are retarded
i could unironically probably larp 6’0 at 5’10 with short foids unless they are one of those social media fags who carry the tape measures around with them

 

[mikeperry271]

Probably although if I were under 5ft 6, I would seriously consider LL.
It must be incredibly demeaning being shorter than 14 year old boys as a fully grown man.

5'6 is indeed brutal. I think 5'8-5'9 is doable as this is also a serious advantage for gymcelling. Life starts from 5'11 and up tho.

this is only in regards to dating apps where standards are skyrocketed.

Yes of course, not to mention all the men lying on their dating apps. Men that claim 5'11 on dating apps are probably 5'9 irl JFL.

id say in daily life if u cant fraud to 5,9 - 5,10 youll have to mega compensate with other things.

of course. e.g. gymcelling. However, you will still have to approach women in public now, which most men wont do.

im 5,11+ with shoes and i height mog 80% of the people i see everyday.

Come to the Netherlands and let's test that, jfl.

they set 5'11 as the minimum because thats how tall they think the average 5'9 guy is. women have no actual perception of height, just look at the chart for more than 3 seconds and youll see how flawed it is, in what world is 6'7 the ideal male height jfl. and theres absolutely 0 chance that 55% of women are rejecting a guy because hes 6'1 lmao. they just think 6'1 is 6'3/6'4, and they think 5'10/5'11 is 6'1

I agree. Women's perception is kinda flawed due to men lying about their height, but please do realize that this is based on filters women set. A woman can set her filter at minimum 6'4 on a dating app, but might date a 6'0 guy, she just won't his profile on the dating app.

 

[LLcel]

they set 5'11 as the minimum because thats how tall they think the average 5'9 guy is. women have no actual perception of height, just look at the chart for more than 3 seconds and youll see how flawed it is, in what world is 6'7 the ideal male height jfl. and theres absolutely 0 chance that 55% of women are rejecting a guy because hes 6'1 lmao. they just think 6'1 is 6'3/6'4, and they think 5'10/5'11 is 6'1

yes i agree, i cross referenced this point when i noticed how bad my moms depth/field/length perception was while she was driving. its inherently harder for women to perceive things like this which in turns just makes it easier to fraud.

 

[Snicket]

I agree. Women's perception is kinda flawed due to men lying about their height, but please do realize that this is based on filters women set.

I'm 184cm barefoot and never been called short in my life. Height inflation is overhyped bullshit.

 

[mikeperry271]

I'm 184cm barefoot and never been called short in my life. Height inflation is overhyped bullshit.

Brother, even with height inflation 184 is still taller than the average in the tallest country.
You will never get called short.
You just will get called tall less.

 

[LLcel]

5'6 is indeed brutal. I think 5'8-5'9 is doable as this is also a serious advantage for gymcelling. Life starts from 5'11 and up tho.

Yes of course, not to mention all the men lying on their dating apps. Men that claim 5'11 on dating apps are probably 5'9 irl JFL.

of course. e.g. gymcelling. However, you will still have to approach women in public now, which most men wont do.

Come to the Netherlands and let's test that, jfl.

I agree. Women's perception is kinda flawed due to men lying about their height, but please do realize that this is based on filters women set. A woman can set her filter at minimum 6'4 on a dating app, but might date a 6'0 guy, she just won't his profile on the dating app.

i live in the US and go to school in Germany, ive def had instances where much younger guys are floating around 6,2 - 6,5 but it means nothing when they're an ogre or completely lacking bone mass. id have to agree that the Netherlands would be one of the worst if not THE worst place to reside given ur short with an ugly face due to their pheno + height. Geomaxx asap if thats u.

 

[Snicket]

Brother, even with height inflation 184 is still taller than the average in the tallest country.
You will never get called short.
You just will get called tall less.

I know. I don't feel that tall but my height has never held me back.
I feel like height is more of a disqualifying factor while face is qualifying.
Short kills attraction. Face creates it.

 

[They_are_all_whores]

I’m talking about mainly the US here’s and other western countries, not the tall European lands or the malnourished countries of Africa and Asia where people are 5’0 jfl. This is mainly referring to America and maybe UK

5'2 and under maybe 5'4 also

 

[mikeperry271]

live in the US and go to school in Germany, ive def had instances where much younger guys are floating around 6,2 - 6,5 but it means nothing when they're an ogre or completely lacking bone mass

I agree

id have to agree that the Netherlands would be one of the worst if not THE worst place to reside given ur short with an ugly face due to their pheno + height. Geomaxx asap if thats u.

I live in the netherlands and I am good. Don't come here if you're short tho.

I know. I don't feel that tall but my height has never held me back.
I feel like height is more of a disqualifying factor while face is qualifying.

Agree. I think that it doesnt really matter after 5'11, because you will be taller than probably 95% of the women.
However, I think being extremely tall like 6'6+, it's a halo.
I have a close friend that's 6'8 and he's mtn, but has the most slays in our friend group with a bunch of htn's and some cl's (a lot are also in ltr's tho).

 

[echud123]

I’m talking about mainly the US here’s and other western countries, not the tall European lands or the malnourished countries of Africa and Asia where people are 5’0 jfl. This is mainly referring to America and maybe UK

america 5’7-5’6
In the uk about 5’6
These don’t count if you’re a chad though

 

[echud123]

I agree

I live in the netherlands and I am good. Don't come here if you're short tho.

Agree. I think that it doesnt really matter after 5'11, because you will be taller than probably 95% of the women.
However, I think being extremely tall like 6'6+, it's a halo.
I have a close friend that's 6'8 and he's mtn, but has the most slays in our friend group with a bunch of htn's and some cl's (a lot are also in ltr's tho).

Holy 6’8?! It’s over for us

 

[mikeperry271]

Holy 6’8?! It’s over for us

it's quite normal in the netherlands bro
if I walk into the gym at any time you will easily see 4-5 guys that are 200cm+

 

[echud123]

it's quite normal in the netherlands bro
if I walk into the gym at any time you will easily see 4-5 guys that are 200cm+

So if you’re like 5’10 in the Netherlands then no one would bat an eye?

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

w

women are retarded
i could unironically probably larp 6’0 at 5’10 with short foids unless they are one of those social media fags who carry the tape measures around with them

bro if youre 5'10 barefoot you can literally be 6'1 day to day, wear a tall shoe like air max tw (adds 1.8 inches) plus one layer of lifts to add 1 inch (and wont fuck up your walking or shoe fit) and bang youre 6'1, then guess what you can claim 6'2 too

5'10 -> 6'2 easily, see how much height gets frauded, this is why you always need to subtract like 3 inches from womens preferences jfl

 

[Anth0ny]

I’m talking about mainly the US here’s and other western countries, not the tall European lands or the malnourished countries of Africa and Asia where people are 5’0 jfl. This is mainly referring to America and maybe UK

if your under 5'7 are your clavicles, ribcage and everything else are cooked anyways your just gonna look like a stretched framecel lanklet unless you use roids

 

[mikeperry271]

So if you’re like 5’10 in the Netherlands then no one would bat an eye?

I'd say between 5'11 (maybe 5'10 in your case ) and 6'4 nobody would actually notice/care about your height in the Netherlands.
Under that you will be actually considered as short.
Above that people will think you're tall.

 

[superpsycho]

bro if youre 5'10 barefoot you can literally be 6'1 day to day, wear a tall shoe like air max tw (adds 1.8 inches) plus one layer of lifts to add 1 inch (and wont fuck up your walking or shoe fit) and bang youre 6'1, then guess what you can claim 6'2 too

5'10 -> 6'2 easily, see how much height gets frauded, this is why you always need to subtract like 3 inches from womens preferences

i alreaady wear air forces which give me a good amount of height

i dont wanna liftmaxx until i go to uni because then people at my highschool would be suspicious. i want to do it around people i must met for the first time

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

yes i agree, i cross referenced this point when i noticed how bad my moms depth/field/length perception was while she was driving. its inherently harder for women to perceive things like this which in turns just makes it easier to fraud.

yeah testosterone effects visuospatial processing which is the scientific reason women are worse at driving jfl. i said this to a girl once and she was dumbfounded . also men have more volume in brain areas associated with spatial processing

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

i alreaady wear air forces which give me a good amount of height

i dont wanna liftmaxx until i go to uni because then people at my highschool would be suspicious. i want to do it around people i must met for the first time

air forces are shit bro they give like 0.9 inches which is less than the average shoe, you have to consider that everyone else is also wearing shoes, thats why i wear those air max tw i mentioned because theyre the tallest shoe from a known brand (NTpill)

 

[superpsycho]

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air forces are shit bro they give like 0.9 inches which is less than the average shoe, you have to consider that everyone else is also wearing shoes, thats why i wear those air max tw i mentioned because theyre the tallest shoe from a known brand (NTpill)

i just researched airmax tw holy fuark its unironically 2 inches

ill be an inch taller relative to everyone else since most peoples shoes dont give more than an inch

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

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i just researched airmax tw holy fuark its unironically 2 inches

ill be an inch taller relative to everyone else since most peoples shoes dont give more than an inch

exactly bro thats what im saying, im 5'9 barefoot and in those im almost eye to eye with my 6' dad, and im undoubtedly taller than my 5'9 friend who wears loafers all the time which only add like half an inch, the difference is actually crazy and i dont even wear them with lifts (yet ) but it makes me go from feeling shortish-average to feeling actually a bit tall lol

 

[nabiodcels]

5'8 is definitely short and in my terms manlet height.
Average for 18-24 year olds is 5'10 in US. Anything under this IS considered short. Whatever manlet is, is your own judgment.
Again, 75% of women on dating apps will NOT date a person under 5'11, so fill that in for yourself.

You’re using fucking dating apps as your basis lmao many men irl shorter than 5’11 have successful ltr from a young age all the way through adulthood. Ofc on dating apps, they’re gonna mainly want 180cm+ men only and filter out for that cause it’s already rigged against men only dating apps and even an average women is getting messaged from many guys even hundereds of guys

 

[Anth0ny]

 

[zemult]

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75% of women in the US have set their minimum height requirement at 5'11 or higher on OLD.
So below 5'11 is already a very dangerous zone.
5'8 is manlet in as it's below the average (5'9 in general and 5'10 for men between 18-24)

Except most people that are "5'11" on the dating apps aren't actually 5'11.

Jfl @ studies using male's self-reported heights

 

[heightisthetruth]

5'6" and below in the West is when you enter true LDAR territory unless you're built like a fire hydrant with a face that could stop traffic. Below 5'4"? Yeah, it's LL or cope, no amount of frame or status fully compensates at that point in the sexual marketplace. That said, even at 5'6" you're playing life on hard mode , every inch below 5'8" is another tax on your SMV that has to be paid with other attributes.

Facts my uncles statusmaxxed in his native country over for that dork hes 5’3

 

[zemult]

I'd say between 5'11 (maybe 5'10 in your case ) and 6'4 nobody would actually notice/care about your height in the Netherlands.
Under that you will be actually considered as short.
Above that people will think you're tall.

Yeah I only speak for the USA, but a true 5'11 here is on the higher end of average, you're noticeably a bit taller than the average dude

 

[heightisthetruth]

I don’t think 5’8 is Manley lol I’m 5’11 and I’m not much taller than 5’8 or 5’9 is 5’8 death tier height

Anything below 6’0 is death tier for todays market

 

[nabiodcels]

exactly bro thats what im saying, im 5'9 barefoot and in those im almost eye to eye with my 6' dad, and im undoubtedly taller than my 5'9 friend who wears loafers all the time which only add like half an inch, the difference is actually crazy and i dont even wear them with lifts (yet ) but it makes me go from feeling shortish-average to feeling actually a bit tall lol

I’m probably 5’11 barefoot in the morning maybe a little less in the evening and I feel kinda short at my school but then other days, when I get better sleep or something I feel taller

 

[nabiodcels]

Anything below 6’0 is death tier for todays market

Nah I’d anything shorter than 5’10, every inch below 5’10 just gets exponentially worse even 5’9 it’s brutalll. Cause a lot of women assume that a man is 6’0 when he is rlly 5’10 so you can be pretty comfortable in shoes at that height even as a young gen z male jfl. Anything shorter starts to feel short despite the average being 5’9 in the us it’s probably 5’10 for young males

 

[heightisthetruth]

Nah I’d anything shorter than 5’10, every inch below 5’10 just gets exponentially worse even 5’9 it’s brutalll

Depends in europe the dudes who pull are 6 ft and above the manlets mostly get cucked

 

[nabiodcels]

Depends in europe the dudes who pull are 6 ft and above the manlets mostly get cucked

I mainly meant the us also read my edited version of the message I agree tbh tho like most of Europe yea if your under 6ft barefoot you are definitely gonna be struggling with each inch less
If I was in Europe I’d be a truecel as an East African under 6ftcel

 

[heightisthetruth]

I mainly meant the us also read my edited version of the message I agree tbh tho like most of Europe yea if your under 6ft barefoot you are definitely gonna be struggling with each inch less
If I was in Europe I’d be a truecel as an East African under 6ftcel

Feel for u man east africans here are normally tall met a death tier 5 ft 6 ethopian dude never been so over all of his fellow ethopian homies height mogged him

 

[nabiodcels]

Depends in europe the dudes who pull are 6 ft and above the manlets mostly get cucked

I mainly meant the us also read my edited version of the message I agree tbh tho like most of Europe yea if your under 6ft barefoot you are definitely lacking in height as a young male
If I was in Europe I’d be a truecel as an East African under 6ftcel

Feel for u man east africans here are normally tall met a death tier 5 ft 6 ethopian dude never been so over all of his fellow ethopian homies height mogged him

He probably had shorter parents or was an immigrant maybe. People in Ethiopia can be pretty short like especially rural more poor are, but Ethiopian and East African genes in general typically are some of the more taller Africans behind like Sudanese

 

[heightisthetruth]

I mainly meant the us also read my edited version of the message I agree tbh tho like most of Europe yea if your under 6ft barefoot you are definitely lacking in height as a young male
If I was in Europe I’d be a truecel as an East African under 6ftcel

He probably had shorter parents or was an immigrant maybe. People in Ethiopia can be pretty short like especially rural more poor are, but Ethiopian and East African genes in general typically are some of the more taller Africans behind like Sudanese

He was hella lightskin had that mulatto type of coloring