atheists that don't know anything about religion shouldn't talk about it

[xye]

realistically if you're calling people goycattle for being religious you have a severe misunderstanding of religion
the first christians were heavily persecuted for their beliefs, they were practically the exact opposite of goycattle
christian theology can be thoroughly justified and explained

 

[Turkic Albanian]

realistically if you're calling people goycattle for being religious you have a severe misunderstanding of religion
the first christians were heavily persecuted for their beliefs, they were practically the exact opposite of goycattle
christian theology can be thoroughly justified and explained

Believing in something based on faith without evidence means taking some desert dwellers word for it from the iron age

It's as sheepish as it gets, gullible mfs

 

[Jason5000]

i respect them as long as they dont use their religion as an excuse to flood the west with infinity immigrants. those are the goycattle.

 

[xye]

Believing in something based on faith without evidence means taking some desert dwellers word for it from the iron age

It's as sheepish as it gets, gullible mfs

there is evidence;
the bible is composed of real writings by the real apostles that were deemed historical documents prior to the compilation of the bible
the bible itself has no contradictions and there are many arguments for the existence of god that logically require you to at least be a deist

 

[wt8zz]

any belief but agnosticism is cope

 

[LXR]

If any religion can only backed up assertions then it is useless to argue as followers always tend to resort to these assertions. Key point, Muslims amd Christians always come back to the argument "But the Bible/Quran is true because God made it" and "God is truth because Bible/Quran says so". Pointless to argue with such assertions

 

[Turkic Albanian]

there is evidence;
the bible is composed of real writings by the real apostles that were deemed historical documents prior to the compilation of the bible
the bible itself has no contradictions and there are many arguments for the existence of god that logically require you to at least be a deist

Your "evidence" is based on hearsay and anecdotes both of which are notoriously unreliable.

As for the point you make about deism- this can not be completely ruled out although there's not much reason to believe in that either

Makes more sense to assume reality stretches back infinitely thereby discarding the need for a creator to set the cogs into motion

Occam's razor supports this, the fewest assumptions is that the natural world is self sustaining and is the only thing proven to exist so why would you add a God to the equation which raises even more questions than answers

Reality is infinitely more vast and complex than you or any God could possibly come up with

Which ever way you look at it you have to assume it's infinite, and if something always existed then it doesn't need to be created

 

[mistermogsalot]

realistically if you're calling people goycattle for being religious you have a severe misunderstanding of religion
the first christians were heavily persecuted for their beliefs, they were practically the exact opposite of goycattle
christian theology can be thoroughly justified and explained

most retards think they can debunk 2000 years worth of philosophy and classical theism because they cant understand metaphors in religious text , historically religion and atheism was very philosophically inclined and academic , unfortunately these past few hundred years its become full of diluted arguments from both sides

 

[mistermogsalot]

Your "evidence" is based on hearsay and anecdotes both of which are notoriously unreliable.

As for the point you make about deism- this can not be completely ruled out although there's not much reason to believe in that either

Makes more sense to assume reality stretches back infinitely thereby discarding the need for a creator to set the cogs into motion

Occam's razor supports this, the fewest assumptions is that the natural world is self sustaining and is the only thing proven to exist so why would you add a God to the equation which raises even more questions than answers

Reality is infinitely more vast and complex than you or any God could possibly come up with

Which ever way you look at it you have to assume it's infinite, and if something always existed then it doesn't need to be created

occams razor just states that if you can prove something well you dont need to add an entity , but this doesnt really work here as we've accepted the fact that the universe pretty much did have a beginning , most accepted theory is the "big bang" (which ironically was thought of by a catholic priest before mocked by atheists and than being accepted as a rational theory to the beginning of the universe) occams razor doesnt really support this at all because we still need a "necessary being" for the beginning of the universe because it is contingent and that being we call God , all respect ofc to your opinion

 

[Turkic Albanian]

occams razor just states that if you can prove something well you dont need to add an entity , but this doesnt really work here as we've accepted the fact that the universe pretty much did have a beginning , most accepted theory is the "big bang" (which ironically was thought of by a catholic priest before mocked by atheists and than being accepted as a rational theory to the beginning of the universe) occams razor doesnt really support this at all because we still need a "necessary being" for the beginning of the universe because it is contingent and that being we call God , all respect ofc to your opinion

The big bang was just the origin of our universe, it would be extremely naive and would underestimate the true scale of reality if you took the model on face value as being the absolute starting point of all existence

It's not, it's just the starting point of out particular pocket universe in a sea of infinite universes stretching back infinitely into the past

We just can't see beyond that horizon because we lack a theory of everything- we don't have a theory that reconciles quantum mechanics and gravity but once we do these questions will be answered and I'll be proven right. This seems to be the general consensus in cosmology but atm it's extremely difficult to prove. But the main thing is that it's plausible, your God on the other hand is not a plausible explanation to anything, it just complicates the issue with what is essentially magic

 

[Tenres]

@Turkic Albanian @mistermogsalot It is not the consensus among cosmologists today (in fact it's the opposite) that the Big bang was the beginning of the universe. Most just take it to be a dense hot space with unusually low entropy

 

[milkshake_addict]

religious cope....

 

[Bipolar2Cel]

Atheists can cope all they want, I have had multiple experiences that can only be explained by there being a higher power or I just keep running into one in a billion scenarios. That alone is proof for me, I don't just need to listen to or read books lol. I used to be an edgy atheist too but realize Christianity makes perfect sense, the Bible is also a very blackpilled book kind of everything in it is based and explains the world and human condition perfectly. Also would have roped if I didn't believe in anything and found life pointless lol.

i respect them as long as they dont use their religion as an excuse to flood the west with infinity immigrants. those are the goycattle.

Yeah that shit is disgusting, tons of Christians are blue pilled dumb cattle as fuck. Tons are beta cuck feminists too. Most churches suck ass too.

 

[Turkic Albanian]

@Turkic Albanian @mistermogsalot It is not the consensus among cosmologists today (in fact it's the opposite) that the Big bang was the beginning of the universe. Most just take it to be a dense hot space with unusually low entropy

That's right

 

[blinkers]

Exactly, most people are high uneducated in religion and philosophy and debate like there life’s depend on with absolute no evidence or real reason or proof, it because of there own personal ego and beliefs. No one would like to admit there wrong

 

[LeanByDecemer]

Religion was built for men like me to stop spreading their seed

 

[blinkers]

Religion was built for men like me to stop spreading their seed

I’m not even religious but religion legit encourages having a family

 

[Turkic Albanian]

The more I read up and researched about the universe, quantum physics and philosophy the more I realised that the natural world has no creator

Got to a point that now to even bring up this notion of a God has become laughable, borderline ridiculous. It's more likely we are living in a simulation than we were created by a magic man but I don't believe in either, the natural world has more than enough to sustain reality

 

[LeanByDecemer]

I’m not even religious but religion legit encourages having a family

only worth with virgin
religion died the second women started having lifetime body count over 1

 

[Tenres]

only worth with virgin
religion died the second women started having lifetime body count over 1

Do you think in a natural environment women would be Virgins? Religion is quite literally a way to control women from being promiscuous.

 

[mistermogsalot]

The big bang was just the origin of our universe, it would be extremely naive and would underestimate the true scale of reality if you took the model on face value as being the absolute starting point of all existence

It's not, it's just the starting point of out particular pocket universe in a sea of infinite universes stretching back infinitely into the past

We just can't see beyond that horizon because we lack a theory of everything- we don't have a theory that reconciles quantum mechanics and gravity but once we do these questions will be answered and I'll be proven right. This seems to be the general consensus in cosmology but atm it's extremely difficult to prove. But the main thing is that it's plausible, your God on the other hand is not a plausible explanation to anything, it just complicates the issue with what is essentially magic

The more I read up and researched about the universe, quantum physics and philosophy the more I realised that the natural world has no creator

Got to a point that now to even bring up this notion of a God has become laughable, borderline ridiculous. It's more likely we are living in a simulation than we were created by a magic man but I don't believe in either, the natural world has more than enough to sustain reality

this just violates classical theism and lowers it to nothing but meaningless magic because it doesnt make sense to you , it also violates occams razor because to avoid a beginning of anything you need to go infinitely backwards , even in the borde - guth - vilenkin explains that even in a multiverse cosmology it demonstrates that every universe while expanding still has a space time boundary ( a beginning , even if the big bang was the beginning of OUR universe and there was something before , we cant keep going backwards infinitely because ) think of it like this , a chain that keeps linking backwards like universes , still needs a beginning ceiling or pole to hang on , regardless you seem educated and i still respect the iq

 

[Tenres]

The more I read up and researched about the universe, quantum physics and philosophy the more I realised that the natural world has no creator

Got to a point that now to even bring up this notion of a God has become laughable, borderline ridiculous. It's more likely we are living in a simulation than we were created by a magic man but I don't believe in either, the natural world has more than enough to sustain reality

Whats the argument you have against God?

 

[Turkic Albanian]

Whats the argument you have against God?

Read my above posts

 

[LeanByDecemer]

Do you think in a natural environment women would be Virgins? Religion is quite literally a way to control women from being promiscuous.

true, I'm not against religion, but it's efficacy in the modern era is just laughable

 

[Tenres]

this just violates classical theism and lowers it to nothing but meaningless magic because it doesnt make sense to you , it also violates occams razor because to avoid a beginning of anything you need to go infinitely backwards , even in the borde - guth - vilenkin explains that even in a multiverse cosmology it demonstrates that every universe while expanding still has a space time boundary ( a beginning , even if the big bang was the beginning of OUR universe and there was something before , we cant keep going backwards infinitely because ) think of it like this , a chain that keeps linking backwards like universes , still needs a beginning ceiling or pole to hang on , regardless you seem educated and i still respect the iq

I don't think this argument will ever work because for the theist God is either timeless sans creation or timeless simpliciter and causes time, and so the naturalist loses nothing by supposing that some atemporal, physical aspect of the universe brings about time.

Edit: and there's at least a few arguments that plausibly support a past infinite universe.

 

[sub3forfemcels]

Youre like the low iq quiet kid in class
Shush lil bro

 

[mistermogsalot]

Do you think in a natural environment women would be Virgins? Religion is quite literally a way to control women from being promiscuous.

in general no , yeah to an extent religion has been used to regulate human promiscuity , but due to the agricultural revolution when people stopped being so nomadic and settled down , men who owned that land wanted to pass it down to their children, they didnt want their wives to be promiscuous and pass down land to kids that werent theirs , so i dont think religion is fully to blame for this because that revolution was like 10,000 years ago

 

[mistermogsalot]

Youre like the low iq quiet kid in class
Shush lil bro

u talking to me sir

 

[sub3forfemcels]

u talking to me sir

Foid

 

[Tenres]

in general no , yeah to an extent religion has been used to regulate human promiscuity , but due to the agricultural revolution when people stopped being so nomadic and settled down , men who owned that land wanted to pass it down to their children, they didnt want their wives to be promiscuous and pass down land to kids that werent theirs , so i dont think religion is fully to blame for this because that revolution was like 10,000 years ago

Yeah that's fair.

 

[Turkic Albanian]

this just violates classical theism and lowers it to nothing but meaningless magic because it doesnt make sense to you , it also violates occams razor because to avoid a beginning of anything you need to go infinitely backwards , even in the borde - guth - vilenkin explains that even in a multiverse cosmology it demonstrates that every universe while expanding still has a space time boundary ( a beginning , even if the big bang was the beginning of OUR universe and there was something before , we cant keep going backwards infinitely because ) think of it like this , a chain that keeps linking backwards like universes , still needs a beginning ceiling or pole to hang on , regardless you seem educated and i still respect the iq

An infinite chain has no beginning, literally, it stretches back for ever

Are you making the argument that existence can't be infinite because it would have taken infinitely long to get to this point we are at now? I disagree with that, we are just In a particular weighted branch of the infinite chain. Even infinities have weight distribution, some infinities are larger than others and are more likely to occur.

Regardless I think the true overarching substance of reality is the wave function that just keeps branching off in the abstract hilberts space and all physical manifestations are dictated by the vector that keeps branching off infinitely

The universal wave function although merely an abstraction would have to be the closest thing to a "God" I can think of

now you may ask why even this exists? Well, it doesn't technically exist it's just an abstraction, but if I had to answer the question I'd say it's just a brute fact. Why would you ever think that nothingness is the default scenario? True nothingness is merely an abatraction of the human mind, there's no such thing and it was never even a possibility.

Causality loses all meaning when we describe existence as a whole. Human beings evolved on the planes of Africa with brains designed for pattern recognition as it helped us survive. The universe itself doesn't work that way, it had no cause, reality always existed

 

[CFKgator]

Water

 

[amvi0rr]

realistically if you're calling people goycattle for being religious you have a severe misunderstanding of religion
the first christians were heavily persecuted for their beliefs, they were practically the exact opposite of goycattle
christian theology can be thoroughly justified and explained

You are a retard if u belive in faith, destiny,hell,heaven , the god bs

 

[amvi0rr]

An infinite chain has no beginning, literally, it stretches back for ever

Are you making the argument that existence can't be infinite because it would have taken infinitely long to get to this point we are at now? I disagree with that, we are just In a particular weighted branch of the infinite chain. Even infinities have weight distribution, some infinities are larger than others and are more likely to occur.

Regardless I think the true overarching substance of reality is the wave function that just keeps branching off in the abstract hilberts space and all physical manifestations are dictated by the vector that keeps branching off infinitely

The universal wave function although merely an abstraction would have to be the closest thing to a "God" I can think of

now you may ask why even this exists? Well, it doesn't technically exist it's just an abstraction, but if I had to answer the question I'd say it's just a brute fact. Why would you ever think that nothingness is the default scenario? True nothingness is merely an abatraction of the human mind, there's no such thing and it was never even a possibility.

Causality loses all meaning when we describe existence as a whole. Human beings evolved on the planes of Africa with brains designed for pattern recognition as it helped us survive. The universe itself doesn't work that way, it had no cause, reality always existed

Sm nigga will spam contingency shit on this great reply