And then..
Nice contradiction. Which is it?
Literally said this so retards like you don't argue semantics but here we are
Oh, so you understood what I meant?
Oooh no, you're a retarded semantic arguing midwit. GTFO my thread, mutt
I am not reading all of that besides the first two replies. Stop with the reddit spacing and reddit font size changing you look faggoty doing that and i can tell you're a teenager. But no it's not a contradiction you simply have never taken a psychology class. When I say it's not a legitimate psychological disorder I mean it's never been listed in the dsm or studied by academia. When I say it's an umbrella for a bunch of different disorders I'm referring to the fact that mainstream media uses psychopathy as an umbrella term for a bunch of actual dsm disorders such as aspd, schizophrenia, narcissism, etc. Not psychologists though. Again psychopathy is not in the dsmAnd then..
Nice contradiction. Which is it?
Literally said this so retards like you don't argue semantics but here we are
Keep arguing your gay semantics when even the most autistic autist could understand what I meant.
Oh, so you understood what I meant?
Oooh no, you're a retarded semantic arguing midwit. GTFO my thread, mutt
Do you know what the dsm is? If you don't please stop trying to debate this.Psychopathic personality disorder | Research Starters | EBSCO Research
<p>Psychopathic Personality Disorder is a psychological condition characterized by egotistical, self-centered, impulsive, and exploitative behaviors, alongside a notable lack of remorse and emotional callousness. Individuals diagnosed with this disorder can often be highly dangerous, committing...www.ebsco.com
SUCK MY DICK NIGGA!!!!
"Hervey Cleckley's influential work, "The Mask of Sanity," outlines key traits of psychopathy, including superficial charm and pathological lying. Assessment typically employs the Hare Psychopathy Checklist–Revised (PCL-R), which evaluates various personality traits and behaviors. Research indicates that psychopathic offenders are qualitatively different from non-psychopathic criminals, displaying higher rates of recidivism and violent behavior."
Hervey Cleckley, please save us, please..
You're literally sledging out writing paragraph reddit spaced responses because I read you like a book for using AI. Nice projection thoughOOo you're mad nigga
do you know what 2+2 is? if you don't please stop trying to debate this
You are literally referencing a psychologist who was around when the general consensus in psychology was that all women secretly wanted a penis and resented men for it. Psychopathy has never, and will never be in the dsm because it's not a legitimate studied disorder. The dsm is the actual academic list of every single psychological disorder. It's not in it. It not being in it is proof you are wrong. What you are doing right now is conflating sociopathy with psychopathy which displays your ignorance on the subject. Why are you still debating this you look like an idiotdo you know what 2+2 is? if you don't please stop trying to debate this
Psychopathic personality disorder | Research Starters | EBSCO Research
<p>Psychopathic Personality Disorder is a psychological condition characterized by egotistical, self-centered, impulsive, and exploitative behaviors, alongside a notable lack of remorse and emotional callousness. Individuals diagnosed with this disorder can often be highly dangerous, committing...
I've already sent this, Hervey Cleckley defines what Psychopathic Personality Disorder is in the first edition of his book released 1941
this link i showed, clearly proves this
"One of the most important and most influential treatises on psychopathic personality disorder was set forth in 1941 by Hervey Cleckley in his book The Mask of Sanity: An Attempt to Reinterpret the So-Called Psychopathic Personality. Cleckley outlined sixteen different core personality traits that define a psychopath, including pathological lying, superficial charm, lack of empathy, and egocentricity. Since the first edition of Cleckley’s book was published, a wealth of research has examined a number of different issues germane to psychopathic personality disorder, including the potential causes and correlates of psychopathy, ways to assess and diagnose psychopathy, and how psychopathic personality disorder relates to violent offending. This line of research has shown that psychopathic criminals are qualitatively and quantitatively different from non-psychopathic offenders."
if you can find the original 1941 book in pdf format and send it to me I will show you, the only ones I can find online are 1950 and post editions.
Unless Beaver, Kevin M. is lying for whatever reason about the idea that Hervey Cleckley in 1941 defined what psychopathic personality disorder is, and I am also lying about it, then cope
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jflll, DSM first came out in 1952 and cleckley's final edition was in 1988.
Dude some random book existing that you found out about from chatgpt means nothing lmfao. A psychological disorder does not exist in the eyes of academia unless it is in the DSM 5, psychopathy is not in the DSM 5 so therefore you are incorrect. The debate literally starts and ends there. You don't know this because you've never taken a psychology class.
Nigga I literally do not care what you have to say as Cleckley dog walks you. You are arguing semantics. Errmm PPD is not a real disorder. Ermm psychopathy is not a recognized term. Ermm sociopath isn't either.. Ermm I don't care, either you are a midwit semantics arguer or you are a mid functioning autist who genuinely cannot comprehend my points because i use terms that aren't in muh DSM-5. Unless I genuinely argue something that specifically goes against the DSM-5 like claiming that you can be diagnosed with ASPD under the age of 18 then suck my dick jfl.
keep crying aspie
Yes, I did know what you meant. You meant ASPD, the disorder most commonly associated with the pseudo psychological term known as psychopathy. I told you that ASPD stands for anti social personality disorder, and I explained to you why its a really bad falo socially. Nice memory, maybe lay off the pot. Stop referencing books you have never read dude. Its not "muh DSM 5" you retard. Its the literal list of every single academically recognized psychological disorder. When you get diagnosed by a psych, you are getting a diagnosis word for word from the DSM. Trying to belittle the DSM is literally like trying to belittle the periodic table to a chemist. It makes you look like an ignorant teenager talking out of his ass about a subject he knows literally nothing about, which you are.Nigga I literally do not care what you have to say as Cleckley dog walks you. You are arguing semantics. Errmm PPD is not a real disorder. Ermm psychopathy is not a recognized term. Ermm sociopath isn't either.. Ermm I don't care, either you are a midwit semantics arguer or you are a mid functioning autist who genuinely cannot comprehend my points because i use terms that aren't in muh DSM-5. Unless I genuinely argue something that specifically goes against the DSM-5 like claiming that you can be diagnosed with ASPD under the age of 18 then suck my dick jfl.
When I said psychopaths, you knew what I meant
Without cleckley there would be no ASPD
cooope. Find literally any psychologist that specializes in antisocialtards that doesn't hail cleckley as a GodProjection, me thinks
You are not neurodivergent.
You literally do not know a single psychologist because youre still in highschool. My brother is a masters in psych and I took multiple college classes on it, please accept that youre wrong and look into what the DSM is if you want, what you are doing right now is highly autistic behavior. Do you realize that 60 years ago we were unironically sticking ice picks between schizophrenic peoples eyeballs and stirring it around to scramble the brain. We literally did not know shit back then and even still they did not recognize this crackpot you refer to as legitimate academic knowledgeWithout cleckley there would be no ASPD
Projection, me thinks
tbh cope and dnr cause ur just autistically fantasizing about my real life after getting buttraped in an argument
I am logically dominating you in every facet. Ill steel man your entire argument:
already DNR calling cleckley a crazy person, you are the only human being on earth who sees cleckley as a "psuedoscientist"
with your credentials being your brother is doing a psyche MD, infact, my brother is doing an MD in physics and I say einstein was a psuedoscientist freak, his ideas are completely absurd and should be ignored,i mean, back then they were literally trying to use electromagnetism to make anti gravity devices why should i trust anything he says? believe me, please, my brother is doing an MD in physics
Einstein??? Dude, Einstein wrote the fucking theory of relativity, equations that are still being used in 2025 and still accurately predict the phenomenon we observe better than any other theory ever conceived since. And he did this nearly 100 years ago. The guy had godlike level intelligence, completely far cry from some cook who wrote a book about a disorder that is not at all recognized by modern psychology.... That IQmog between you and your brother must be generational. Of mice and men level iq gap.already DNR calling cleckley a crazy person, you are the only human being on earth who sees cleckley as a "psuedoscientist"
mid functioning autists vs finding out what an analogy is
alot our basis for the understanding of ASPD comes from cleckley's work
It's a piss poor analogy, comparing a nobody nutbag to the smartest man in the past 100 years. The entire scientific study of neuroscience was derived from a man who believed that all men secretly wanted to fuck their moms. What's your point? Psychopathy doesn't fucking exist in the DSM lmfao. It's not real and you're wrong, and any scientific literature you read on it isn't scientific literature because it's over 50 years old and defunked. You should talk to your brother more tbhmid functioning autists vs finding out what an analogy is
alot our basis for the understanding of ASPD comes from cleckley's work
and that's full stop
This argument just goes down to whether or not psychopathy is a real term, and as I said before...
So you are goalpost swapping from psychopathy is a recognized disorder to "is psychopathy a real word GADURRR" did you know the word centaur is a real term..? It does not mean it exists in real life. Cut me the sophism please, dumb child, you were not arguing whether or not a word existed, you fucking idiot.This argument just goes down to whether or not psychopathy is a real term, and as I said before...
literally never argued that psychopathy is a recognized term under the DSM
Wtf are the semantics. You just claimed you are arguing whether or not a word is real. You are the one being semantic and retardedly too. Do you not see how retarded you look
Idrc how i look to a semantic merchant tbh
Again, you are arguing whether or not a word is real according to you. Who is semantic.
can you give examples because i honestly think 2 points is only reserved for mid-low functioning
Studies I reference will be provided at the bottom, after the TL;DR
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Autism deducts 1.25 points out of 10
And so do most disorders.
And that's High Functioning Autism, before the cope comes in. No, the fact High functioning autists have 108 iq average instead of 100 is not nearly enough to make up for it. I would not even see it as a fair trade if Autism gave you 140 iq on average.
No, it's not better to be neurodivergent in literally any conceivable way over neurotypical.
No. Masking does NOT WORK.
Long post so TL;DR at the bottom for the low IQcels
One of the most unbelievably overrated variables on this forum is
- IQ
- Sociopathy/Psychopathy
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On the topic of Autism:
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There was this study that completely blackpilled me on autism and neurodivergency. It was a study wanting to see how easy it was for neurotypical [normal people] to recognize whether or not someone had Autism. The results showed that neurotypical people were fucking masters at recognizing whether or not someone had autism, even people barely on the spectrum. The thing was, they did not assign them as them having "autism" but instead they assigned them as "weird" or "creepy" or "awkward" or "off."
If you truly are diagnosed with autism reading this, you might ask yourself "why did the other kids ignore me in nursery/primary school, I was not noticably ugly or weird." It's because you had autism. It's because you had a mental disorder that, without you being able to even recognize it's impact, basically fucked you're childhood social life and social development completely. [Which is why so many people on this site show clear signs of emotional stunting.]
And that is why, Autism deducts 1.25 points out of 10.
If you are 6/10 HTN with autism, you will have the same experience as a 4.75/10 H-LTN neurotypical in the long run, when socializing.
If you are 5/10 MTN with autism, you will have the same experience as a 3.75/10 LTN/Subhuman neurotypical in the long run, when socializing.
Yes, a 5/10 with Autism will get treated like a borderline subhuman, which is to say, he will be completely ignored when trying to making friends.
The neurotypical person will not know why they isolate you. If they are asked by others they might make up reasons in their mind then genuinely believe it. ["he's weird, he's creepy, he's awkward" - same excuses girls make when asked why they bullied an ugly kid]
And no, masking does not work. There is legitimately no way to nullify your autism, only thing you can do is lessen it's impact by having NPC voicelines at the ready to fill in the white noise, and having responses to NPC questions like "what music do you listen to" ready.
"I mask and nobody knows" they might not KNOW you have autism but they can TELL you're different. And even if it did completely work, YEARS OF MASKING HAS BEEN PROVEN TO CAUSE PSYCHOTIC BREAKDOWNS IN NEURODIVERGENT PEOPLE [autists, psychopaths, bpd/HPD havers, depressives, etc] so good luck when you kill your wife and go to jail in 15 years all because of muh masking.
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On the topic of ASPD:
“Though he [the psychopath] may possess a good mind, he does not profit from experience nor does he show the ability to learn from his mistakes.”
-- The Mask of Sanity, Hervey Cleckley (5th ed., 1976)
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I am going to rip the band-aid off from the start: Anti-Social Personality Disorder is a BAD disorder to have - morals aside.
If you have read literally any literature on the disorder, this would be the same as me telling you "the sky is blue."
When you read case studies of people with the disorder, you wonder something, why do all these people make the stupidest mistakes, and WHY are ALL of them alcoholic losers? Yes, people with ASPD are much stupider compared to the average person [85–95 iq average], and this is not because the studies are on prison populations with higher percentages of non whites. There is a reason the median IQ for serial killers in the United States is 86, and that is because ASPD havers are overwhelmingly over represented in serial killing [the same way Jews are over represented in finance--] due to their nature, and because most of them are genuinely stupid, it nukes the median IQ of serial killers.
Most Psychopaths are not Psychopaths because some switch in their brain is flipped off, they are Psychopaths because their brain is legitimately too Stupid to comprehend basic human abilities like sympathy.
The best way to think of ASPD is like this: it is literally Delayed Delinquency. ASPD havers are just Delinquents who just could never grow out of it.
[which is why psychiatrists wait till age 18 before they diagnose anyone with ASPD btw]
What about muh 150-170 IQ Psychopathic CEO with 17.22 billion dollar Net worth?!?!
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"Okay okay, you're right about the average ASPD haver on the street, but wouldn't it be friggin' cool to be a Psychopathic CEO, in the front you're a 55 year old family man with your family dog, perfect house and car, but behind closed doors you're selling Agent Orange to the US military and selling baby formula with way too little nutrients to underdeveloped countries in Africa? With too much money and no care in the world??"
NO
I wouldn't want to be that. I would rather be a neurotypical normie who will experience genuine emotions with other humans and not be at constant risk of having a psychotic breakWhat about muh 145 IQ Sociopathic Slayer
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"Okay bro but imagine you're a young, tall, 23" bideltoid sociopathic slayer, you're a total chick magnet bro! And you don't take shit from anyone, and you're low inhib brooo!!! Wouldn't you want that?!"
NO
I would rather be a NEUROTYPICAL 145iq tall 23" Bideltoid slayer. That "Sociopathic" part is a DOWNGRADE. Sociopaths are borderline RETARDED. READ THE FUCKING LITERATURE. I'M SICK OF THIS RETARDED DARK TRIAD ASPD LARP BULLSHIT.
I would rather be a neurotypical slayer who has a great life rather than a Sociopathic slayer who throws a beer bottle through a bus window because of low inhib antisocial urges and gets a criminal record.
And a ASPD-haver over 125 IQ is as rare as Indian chadlite.
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On the Topic of IQ
and why it barely matters.
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Before I continue, I must admit 3 things.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher salary.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher happiness.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher empathy.
But it is not even top 10 most important variables when being born. It literally only matters if you're either top 0.1% or bottom 0.1%,
and I will DEBOOONK the cope that it is even a top 5 most important variableIQ is simply less important than
- Your looks
- Your height
- Your race
- Your natural health
- Your emotional intelligence
- The country you were born in
- The social/wealth class you're born into
- Parental situation
- Whether or not your parents even love you from birth
- If you're born with a physical disorder
- If you're born with a mental disorder
- The personality your genetics decide for you
- Whether or not you have Autism
- Arguably, even your voice is more important
Literally 12 variables that are more important, and you could maybe argue 2 max are less important.
It is the most overrated variable, the way people talk about it on here, you'd think people with 145+ iq can move objects with their mind.
Unless you're bottom 5% or top 0.1% IQ then your fucking VOICE will make more of a difference than your IQ. People here act like having under 100 IQ is death tier super retard when 50.55% of the UK's population is under that, and like 75-80% of the world's population is under that. [AND I HAVE NEVER TAKEN AN IQ TEST BEFORE I GET ACCUSED OF COPING]Higher IQ does correlate with higher salary.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher happiness.
Higher IQ does correlate with Higher empathy.
But so does all the other variables I mentioned, and they make more of an impact.
And no, you are not a misunderstood 170 IQ genius rotting on a forum of people stupider than you, with your genius just waiting to shine upon all of us once you decide to try. You will end up a 40 yr old internet rotter if you keep thinking like this.TL;DR
Being Autistic is as bad as getting deducted 1.25 face points/10 if you're neurotypical.
Having ASPD/Psychopathy/Sociopathy is always worse than being neurotypical
IQ is not even a top 10 most important variable considering base stats, and is COPE for people who have NOTHING ELSE.
Neurotypiciality will always, and has never not been, LAW.Neurotypical adults watched videos of people, some autistic and some nonautistic, without being told who was autistic.
Do Neurotypical People Like or Dislike Autistic People? - PubMed
<span><b>Why was this study done?:</b> Previous research has found that nonautistic people tend to form less positive first impressions of autistic people than they do of other nonautistic people. These studies have tended to present questions such as "How trustworthy is this person?" or "How...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
They were more likely to dislike the autistic people, often citing reasons like “perceived awkwardness” and “lack of empathy.”
Neurotypical (TD) raters tend to rate autistic adults less favorably on traits like “awkwardness,” “attractiveness,” “dominance,” etc., even when the TD raters don’t know the person is autistic.Do First Impressions of Autistic Adults Differ Between Autistic and Nonautistic Observers? - PMC
Autistic adults receive unfavorable first impressions from typically developing (TD) adults, but these impressions improve when TD adults are made aware of their diagnosis. It remains unclear, however, how autistic adults form first impressions of ...pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
serial killer iq median sourceINB4 "Sociopathy/Psychopathy are not medically recognized terms anymore" I do not care.
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A chadlite who’s genuinely autistic will have the same treatment as a giga neurotypical mtn
as for mid-low functioning autism
this means that a woman SPECIFICALLY chose him as i doubt this nigga is on dating apps or cold approaching, then had sex with him, obviously due to his face. I don't see this being done on a LTN, a girl specifically picking him, then having sex with him. assuming he's chadlite facially irl, and also assuming ltn is 4/10 and chadlite is 7/10
