Average, i want bimax on org example

[FutureSlayer]

No doctor in the world does a leforte 1 only for rotation, you have to be mentally retarded to both pay that amount and take all the risk for no advancement.

are you retarded? lmao you have no clue what you’re talking about




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[Snicket]

I dont think her maxilla was to good before, but she was a good surgery case because she had extreme lower mandible recession that created lip incompetence which made the surgery well worth

I meant that her upper maxilla was decent, definitely way above average for most class 2s. It's a very interesting case to me because the midface itself is not as downward grown as the jaws.

That's why surgeons make a distinction between the occlusion and the skeletal base.

 

[lurking truecel]

are you retarded? lmao you have no clue what you’re talking about




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Good job proving my point, two short face victims doing leforte 1 with down graft 3 mm +, downgraft or forward movements you can do leforte 1 for but not only for the rotation

 

[lurking truecel]

I meant that her upper maxilla was decent, definitely way above average for most class 2s. It's a very interesting case to me because the midface itself is not as downward grown as the jaws.

That's why surgeons make a distinction between the occlusion and the skeletal base.

Her nose(radix) isnt but her under eye area shows that her upper maxilla retruded too. Probably a high cut leforte 1 too

 

[FutureSlayer]

Good job proving my point, two short face victims doing leforte 1 with down graft 3 mm +, downgraft or forward movements you can do leforte 1 for but not only for the rotation

and? neither impaction nor downgraftinf are advancing movements

 

[2marc1]

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Imagine this guy moving the leforte 1 area forward when his upper lip is infront of his nose already, this guy is already dog maxxed and he wants bimax. People on this forum are so lost when it comes to surgeries. This guy has a short nose and teeth protagnism. A genio could ascend his chin some because its further back then his lower lip.

And also doing bimax without a medical issue must be the most retarded shot ever, wasting years of your life for nothing. Because if you dont look deformed bimax does nothing litteraly.(Clear recession)

genio or maybe bsso idk his jaw looks short, maybe just a chin wing would do the job

 

[lurking truecel]

and? neither impaction nor downgraftinf are advancing movements

Yea but its significant movements, not just cutting of the bone and rotating

 

[lurking truecel]

genio or maybe bsso idk his jaw looks short, maybe just a chin wing would do the job

Bsso cannot be done if not overbite

 

[2marc1]

Bsso cannot be done if not overbite

interesting

 

[Snicket]

Her nose(radix) isnt but her under eye area shows that her upper maxilla retruded too. Probably a high cut leforte 1 too

Interesting point. Her upper maxilla is retruded and downward grown true but not anything like as badly as the jaws.

The woman had a much better skeletal base than the average class 2.
I think that’s why this case looks so good. Even from the front. It’s difficult to even tell that she had downward growth in the after.

I’ve seen plenty of High LF1 cases. They don’t fix downward growth at all. They’re best for non downward grown class 3s.

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

hes lightskin he just need to wear colored contacts and he will be Lightskin God

 

[lurking truecel]

Interesting point. Her upper maxilla is retruded and downward grown true but not anything like as badly as the jaws.

The woman had a much better skeletal base than the average class 2.
I think that’s why this case looks so good. Even from the front. It’s difficult to even tell that she had downward growth in the after.

I’ve seen plenty of High LF1 cases. They don’t fix downward growth at all. They’re best for non downward grown class 3s.

Yea maybe better then normal true, nah high cut doesn't change much but yea she probably had higher then subspinal then some surgeons do much

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

He needs single jaw surgery and genio

 

[normie_joe]

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Imagine this guy moving the leforte 1 area forward when his upper lip is infront of his nose already, this guy is already dog maxxed and he wants bimax. People on this forum are so lost when it comes to surgeries. This guy has a short nose and teeth protagnism. A genio could ascend his chin some because its further back then his lower lip.

And also doing bimax without a medical issue must be the most retarded shot ever, wasting years of your life for nothing. Because if you dont look deformed bimax does nothing litteraly.(Clear recession)

Lefort 1 has some serious trade offs that many here underestimate severely. I would've been ecstatic if mine didn't require any upper jaw movement.

 

[normie_joe]

I wouldnt do downgrafting to much then

It's exactly 15 mm

Vertical movements have no effect on the philtrum BTW, it's only maxilla advancement and setback.

The risk of too much anterior downgrafting is looking like a horse.

Alfaro classic