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A massively overlooked part of facial aesthetics is the back of the skull. Mostly people tend to overlook this because you can't see the back of your head in a mirror.

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Which photo in the side-by-side looks better and more aesthetic? Obviously the photo on the left. The flat occipital bone (the bone at the back of the skull) looks way worse, and even creates an illusion that the rest of the face looks less forward grown.

How is this caused?

This is usually developed as an infant, caused by prolonged pressure to the back of their soft malleable skulls. If a baby sleeps on a firm mattress all night, that will cause flattening over time. Usually due to the soft nature of a baby's skull, the flat shape will morph back into a regular looking skull, but in cases of severe and persistent pressure, flatness can last until adulthood, like the morphs above.
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How can you check the back of your skull?

The same way you check anything else in your side, by taking a proper analytical photo from 5 feet away, at head height. If you have long hair at the back, use an elastic band or flatten it down as best you can before you take the photo.

How can I tell if my occipital bone is too flat?

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Here's a ratio to help determine occipital depth. I haven't seen this anywhere else on the forum, but it probably exists somewhere already. By drawing a line perpendicular to the frankfort plane up from the tragus, and marking the point that also intersects the line drawn between the very back of the skull and the browridge, you can use all three of those points to calculate your occiptal depth. In the picture above, the line to the left of the tragus is 0.83x the line to the right, which visually looks ideal. Knowing this ideal, if you calculate yours and it's anywhere from 0.78 - 0.88, you're probably around T1. I can't be bothered to write a proper tier system.

How can I cope with a bad occipital depth?

  • Grow out a hairstyle with lots of length at the back.
  • Wear a hat, cap, or a durag
  • Get skull reshaping/occipital surgery (example below)
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Sorry for low effort thread, probably doesn't help most people, but might help a few ppl
 
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good guide bro mirin effort
 
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Multiple part series (hopefully) on different parts of facial aesthetics

A massively overlooked part of facial aesthetics is the back of the skull. Mostly people tend to overlook this because you can't see the back of your head in a mirror.

View attachment 5607712

Which photo in the side-by-side looks better and more aesthetic? Obviously the photo on the left. The flat occipital bone (the bone at the back of the skull) looks way worse, and even creates an illusion that the rest of the face looks less forward grown.

How is this caused?

This is usually developed as an infant, caused by prolonged pressure to the back of their soft malleable skulls. If a baby sleeps on a firm mattress all night, that will cause flattening over time. Usually due to the soft nature of a baby's skull, the flat shape will morph back into a regular looking skull, but in cases of severe and persistent pressure, flatness can last until adulthood, like the morphs above.
View attachment 5607835View attachment 5607836View attachment 5607838


How can you check the back of your skull?

The same way you check anything else in your side, by taking a proper analytical photo from 5 feet away, at head height. If you have long hair at the back, use an elastic band or flatten it down as best you can before you take the photo.

How can I tell if my occipital bone is too flat?

View attachment 5607796

Here's a ratio to help determine occipital depth. I haven't seen this anywhere else on the forum, but it probably exists somewhere already. By drawing a line perpendicular to the frankfort plane up from the tragus, and marking the point that also intersects the line drawn between the very back of the skull and the browridge, you can use all three of those points to calculate your occiptal depth. In the picture above, the line to the left of the tragus is 0.83x the line to the right, which visually looks ideal. Knowing this ideal, if you calculate yours and it's anywhere from 0.78 - 0.88, you're probably around T1. I can't be bothered to write a proper tier system.

How can I cope with a bad occipital depth?

  • Grow out a hairstyle with lots of length at the back.
  • Wear a hat, cap, or a durag
  • Get skull reshaping/occipital surgery (example below)
    View attachment 5607839


Sorry for low effort thread, probably doesn't help most people, but might help a few ppl
mirin
 
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hows mine?
IMG 0872
 
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tf is that bump
had a brain surgery in june, this is just a complication. just had to have another surgery to clean it up today
 
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no i posted it cuz it looks funny i was expecting it to be laughed at 🫡
you have a thick asf neck tho. Mirin at that at the very least.

thecel made a guide talking about neck ratio


 
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you have a thick asf neck tho. Mirin at that at the very least.

thecel made a guide talking about neck ratio


for sure. was varsity wrestling all throughout high school, then did some mild neck training throughout my bodybuilding days. havent worked out since 2025 and its still pretty big, seems to be one of those muscle groups u never really lose
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(looks way better when lean tho)
 
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for sure. was varsity wrestling all throughout high school, then did some mild neck training throughout my bodybuilding days. havent worked out since 2025 and its still pretty big, seems to be one of those muscle groups u never really lose
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(looks way better when lean tho)
you're huge:Comfy:. cheekbones and jaw shadows already show so pretty nice
 
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Multiple part series (hopefully) on different parts of facial aesthetics

A massively overlooked part of facial aesthetics is the back of the skull. Mostly people tend to overlook this because you can't see the back of your head in a mirror.

View attachment 5607712

Which photo in the side-by-side looks better and more aesthetic? Obviously the photo on the left. The flat occipital bone (the bone at the back of the skull) looks way worse, and even creates an illusion that the rest of the face looks less forward grown.

How is this caused?

This is usually developed as an infant, caused by prolonged pressure to the back of their soft malleable skulls. If a baby sleeps on a firm mattress all night, that will cause flattening over time. Usually due to the soft nature of a baby's skull, the flat shape will morph back into a regular looking skull, but in cases of severe and persistent pressure, flatness can last until adulthood, like the morphs above.
View attachment 5607835View attachment 5607836View attachment 5607838


How can you check the back of your skull?

The same way you check anything else in your side, by taking a proper analytical photo from 5 feet away, at head height. If you have long hair at the back, use an elastic band or flatten it down as best you can before you take the photo.

How can I tell if my occipital bone is too flat?

View attachment 5607796

Here's a ratio to help determine occipital depth. I haven't seen this anywhere else on the forum, but it probably exists somewhere already. By drawing a line perpendicular to the frankfort plane up from the tragus, and marking the point that also intersects the line drawn between the very back of the skull and the browridge, you can use all three of those points to calculate your occiptal depth. In the picture above, the line to the left of the tragus is 0.83x the line to the right, which visually looks ideal. Knowing this ideal, if you calculate yours and it's anywhere from 0.78 - 0.88, you're probably around T1. I can't be bothered to write a proper tier system.

How can I cope with a bad occipital depth?

  • Grow out a hairstyle with lots of length at the back.
  • Wear a hat, cap, or a durag
  • Get skull reshaping/occipital surgery (example below)
    View attachment 5607839


Sorry for low effort thread, probably doesn't help most people, but might help a few ppl
the easiest fix would be growing out your hair right?
 
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you're huge:Comfy:. cheekbones and jaw shadows already show so pretty nice
ya i wasnt just a gym bro i was massive. twinkmaxxing now tho. ive had several options since then so i look nothing like that now
 
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ya i wasnt just a gym bro i was massive. twinkmaxxing now tho. ive had several options since then so i look nothing like that now
search up edolilac on .org for some inspo:Comfy:. he did massater botox
 
the easiest fix would be growing out your hair right?
i have a pretty shitty back of head shape disregarding my joke earlier. it shows through hair thats long all over, through fades, and through short sides long top
 
i have a pretty shitty back of head shape disregarding my joke earlier. it shows through hair thats long all over, through fades, and through short sides long top
ngl a mullet is best for a flat back head
 
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nothings comin up
He deleted. just put the deleted member and number on search and it works:Comfy:
 
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He deleted. just put the deleted member and number on search and it works:Comfy:
does look good but the after seems slightly frauded. still might be worth it though. when i get a kenalog for my rhino swelling i may see if the guy can do this too. who do people go to for this?
 
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does look good but the after seems slightly frauded. still might be worth it though. when i get a kenalog for my rhino swelling i may see if the guy can do this too. who do people go to for this?
if the masseter muscle is a dogshit insert and overdeveloped, it makes you face look puffed up and you cant do anything about it. Im not tell you to go for it btw, I havent seen a proper pic of your face, Im jsut spreading some inspiration. pneumocytosis as well is pretty good to youthmax.:Comfy:
 
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