Beating down ward growth an alternative solution

[Deleted member 3635]

So firstly MSE will add width , facepulling will give you 3-4 mm which is not a lot but mms are miles when it comes to the face here is my proposed alternatives to a lefort

Under eye fatgrafts/fillers to fix hollow eyes + rhino to fix dowardgrown nose/bulbous tip and a 5 aclock shadow/beard for the lower third

 

[Deleted member 8583]

So firstly MSE will add width , facepulling will give you 3-4 mm which is not a lot but mms are miles when it comes to the face here is my proposed alternatives to a lefort

Under eye fatgrafts/fillers to fix hollow eyes + rhino to fix dowardgrown nose/bulbous tip and a 5 aclock shadow/beard for the lower third

facepulling wont give you 4mm stop being autistic

 

[Deleted member 6892]

facepulling wont give you 4mm stop being autistic

With MSE it will according to the cited results

 

[UglyGod360]

Quite literally what I desperately need. Thnx

 

[LILMAXILLA]

why not just modified lefort 3

 

[Deleted member 3635]

why not just modified lefort 3
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the cuts/price/recovery/surgeon that is willing to do it

 

[Deleted member 3635]

facepulling wont give you 4mm stop being autistic

with MSE it will varbrah who was 23 did a before and after scan where it showed 4 MM forward growth

 

[Deleted member 3635]

Quite literally what I desperately need. Thnx

gl brah

 

[Deleted member 8583]

with MSE it will varbrah who was 23 did a before and after scan where it showed 4 MM forward growth

the same varbrah who wont show before/after? jfl

 

[Deleted member 3635]

the same varbrah who wont show before/after? jfl

he showed scans on the greatwork i am pretty sure MSE + facepulling WILL work BUT it needs consistency and results may vary based on bone plasticity age etc

 

[Gremblo]

why not just modified lefort 3
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Is that seriously lefort 3? It seems like lefort 1... Source?

 

[Deleted member 4466]

why not just modified lefort 3
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this is a lefort 1 you fucking retard

 

[curryslayerordeath]

why not just modified lefort 3
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this is a lefort 1 you fucking retard

its both of them lol, u can find the article by obwegeser online

 

[optimisticzoomer]

With MSE it will according to the cited results

Won moon said they've seen up to 3mm in adults, and ting said 1-2mm for adult men

 

[Gremblo]

its both of them lol, u can find the article by obwegeser online

Can you link it?

 

[optimisticzoomer]

I think the best way is my idea of an mse in the back with an alt ramec protocol to loosen the sutures, and a marpe/mse at the front and pull upwards from the one at the front

 

[Deleted member 3635]

Won moon said they've seen up to 3mm in adults, and ting said 1-2mm for adult men

You have to realize these are normies facepulling i want you to imagine this with chewing + hardmewing the maxilla we can get more thumb pulling etc when the sutures all of will have an effect

 

[optimisticzoomer]

You have to realize these are normies facepulling i want you to imagine this with chewing + hardmewing the maxilla we can get more thumb pulling etc when the sutures all of will have an effect

Normies arent facepulling. 3mm has been the max with 1kg each side so 2kg. The only possibility for more is with alt ramec

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Can you link it?

cant find the article again but maybe if you scour a bit you could come across it. theres a lot of old forum posts from years ago talking abt it too, could find some more info there.

 

[Gremblo]

I think the best way is my idea of an mse in the back with an alt ramec protocol to loosen the sutures, and a marpe/mse at the front and pull upwards from the one at the front

Just get an anterior open bite theory

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Just get an anterior open bite theory

Wouldn't happen. anyway, you could attach bands to both appliances, but use more force for the frontal one. Therefore the maxilla rotates, moving up both at back and front, but more at front

Besides, even if you do, once you have shortened your midface, you can do this surgery to fix your open bite:

boom, shorter midface

 

[MedMaxxing]

why not just modified lefort 3
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That's not modified LF3. This was confirmed awhile ago to be a modified high cut LF1. Look at her side profile, the orbital region was not touched, just the higher set LF1 region ending at the paranasal region was moved forward.

 

[Gremblo]

That's not modified LF3. This was confirmed awhile ago to be a modified high cut LF1. Look at her side profile, the orbital region was not touched, just the higher set LF1 region ending at the paranasal region was moved forward.

Bro is this the girl you were talking about the other day?

 

[WTFCGod]

Pulling sideways and forward doesn’t stop down. You are gonna look like a baboon probably if you don’t mew too

 

[optimisticzoomer]

That's not modified LF3. This was confirmed awhile ago to be a modified high cut LF1. Look at her side profile, the orbital region was not touched, just the higher set LF1 region ending at the paranasal region was moved forward.

The paranasal region moved forward though

 

[Deleted member 3635]

Normies arent facepulling. 3mm has been the max with 1kg each side so 2kg. The only possibility for more is with alt ramec

what's altremec

 

[optimisticzoomer]

what's altremec

Alternate Rapid Maxillary Expansion and Constriction (Alt-RAMEC) protocol: A Comprehensive Literature Review

The aim of this comprehensive review is to introduce clinicians to the increasingly popularity Alt-RAMEC procedure, a method commonly used in the treatment of class III malocclusion in the last 15 years. Another application of the literature to enhance ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Deleted member 3635]

Alternate Rapid Maxillary Expansion and Constriction (Alt-RAMEC) protocol: A Comprehensive Literature Review

The aim of this comprehensive review is to introduce clinicians to the increasingly popularity Alt-RAMEC procedure, a method commonly used in the treatment of class III malocclusion in the last 15 years. Another application of the literature to enhance ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

so you are saying we should combine this with MSE?

 

[optimisticzoomer]

so you are saying we should combine this with MSE?

Yes. It loosens the other sutures. One study in kids showed over 2mm more protraction than without it.

It's unstudied in adults, but here's what won moon had to say

 

[curryslayerordeath]

That's not modified LF3. This was confirmed awhile ago to be a modified high cut LF1. Look at her side profile, the orbital region was not touched, just the higher set LF1 region ending at the paranasal region was moved forward.

it is 100% a combination of a modified lefort 3 (her orbitals are moved) and regular lefort 1 inclusive bimax. theres a lot of forum posts on jsf/lookism abt it, but i cant find the original paper from obwegeser again unfortunately.

 

[MedMaxxing]

The paranasal region moved forward though

I know. I said ending there. It moves the paranasal.

 

[MedMaxxing]

Bro is this the girl you were talking about the other day?

No, it was another blonde girl though. Similar case but the one I was talking about was confirmed to be a high LF1. I still fail to see the orbital movement in this one.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

I know. I said ending there. It moves the paranasal.

I thought u meant all the way until the paranasal, as in stops before

 

[Deleted member 3635]

Yes. It loosens the other sutures. One study in kids showed over 2mm more protraction than without it.

It's unstudied in adults, but here's what won moon had to say
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you reckon an ortho would even do this

 

[optimisticzoomer]

you reckon an ortho would even do this

It's you who turns the mse, not the ortho