Been on 300 test C for a bit now time to run a real cycle(experienced roiders GTFIH)

[TheNigreriaNigtmare]

Hey everyone,

I’m planning a 6-month looksmax stack and aiming for that dry, hard aesthetic while staying hair-conscious and minimizing aging effects.

Here’s what I’m thinking:

• Testosterone Enanthate: 400 mg/week
• Drostanolone Enanthate (Masteron): 200 mg/week
• Methenolone Enanthate (Primobolan): 200 mg/week
• Hair protection: Dutasteride (low dose) + RU-58841 topically
• HGH: 3 IU nightly for skin/joint support
• Extras: Semax, GHK-Cu, Glutathione, and daily Cialis, Ezebimide, Telemasartin, Nabivilol.

Concerns:

• Both Mast and Primo are DHT derivatives—will Dutasteride + RU really be enough to protect my hairline?
• I’ve seen mention that Mast can be especially destructive to hair even with Dut; Primo is milder but still risky.
• Estrogen might crash due to DHT compounds and low TRT, affecting joints and libido.

Questions—Would love your input:

1. Given this stack (Test/Primo/Mast), how hair-safe is it really?
2. What would you run instead to balance looksmax aesthetic gains with long-term skin and hair retention?
3. Should I consider swapping Mast or Primo for more moderate options like low-dose EQ or even Deca (as seen in low-androgen cycles like 200 mg Test + 200 mg Deca)?
4. Any tweaks needed for better hormonal and collagen support?

Thanks for the advice looking to grow hard and clean.

 

[TheNigreriaNigtmare]

Hey everyone,

I’m planning a 6-month looksmax stack and aiming for that dry, hard aesthetic while staying hair-conscious and minimizing aging effects.

Here’s what I’m thinking:

• Testosterone Enanthate: 400 mg/week
• Drostanolone Enanthate (Masteron): 200 mg/week
• Methenolone Enanthate (Primobolan): 200 mg/week
• Hair protection: Dutasteride (low dose) + RU-58841 topically
• HGH: 3 IU nightly for skin/joint support
• Extras: Semax, GHK-Cu, Glutathione, and daily Cialis, Ezebimide, Telemasartin, Nabivilol.

Concerns:

• Both Mast and Primo are DHT derivatives—will Dutasteride + RU really be enough to protect my hairline?
• I’ve seen mention that Mast can be especially destructive to hair even with Dut; Primo is milder but still risky.
• Estrogen might crash due to DHT compounds and low TRT, affecting joints and libido.

Questions—Would love your input:

1. Given this stack (Test/Primo/Mast), how hair-safe is it really?
2. What would you run instead to balance looksmax aesthetic gains with long-term skin and hair retention?
3. Should I consider swapping Mast or Primo for more moderate options like low-dose EQ or even Deca (as seen in low-androgen cycles like 200 mg Test + 200 mg Deca)?
4. Any tweaks needed for better hormonal and collagen support?

Thanks for the advice looking to grow hard and clean.

Oh yeah forgot to mention cologen and elastin health are huge to me what gear is the safest on that I know anavar is really good

 

[pprimus43]

 

[TheNigreriaNigtmare]

 

[IraniancelV2]

Say one last goodbye to your hairline

 

[TheNigreriaNigtmare]

Say one last goodbye to your hairline

 

[IraniancelV2]

Dut does nothing against dht derivatives, it only blocks t to dht conversion.

 

[Dr.D]

Hey everyone,

I’m planning a 6-month looksmax stack and aiming for that dry, hard aesthetic while staying hair-conscious and minimizing aging effects.

Here’s what I’m thinking:

• Testosterone Enanthate: 400 mg/week
• Drostanolone Enanthate (Masteron): 200 mg/week
• Methenolone Enanthate (Primobolan): 200 mg/week
• Hair protection: Dutasteride (low dose) + RU-58841 topically
• HGH: 3 IU nightly for skin/joint support
• Extras: Semax, GHK-Cu, Glutathione, and daily Cialis, Ezebimide, Telemasartin, Nabivilol.

Concerns:

• Both Mast and Primo are DHT derivatives—will Dutasteride + RU really be enough to protect my hairline?
• I’ve seen mention that Mast can be especially destructive to hair even with Dut; Primo is milder but still risky.
• Estrogen might crash due to DHT compounds and low TRT, affecting joints and libido.

Questions—Would love your input:

1. Given this stack (Test/Primo/Mast), how hair-safe is it really?
2. What would you run instead to balance looksmax aesthetic gains with long-term skin and hair retention?
3. Should I consider swapping Mast or Primo for more moderate options like low-dose EQ or even Deca (as seen in low-androgen cycles like 200 mg Test + 200 mg Deca)?
4. Any tweaks needed for better hormonal and collagen support?

Thanks for the advice looking to grow hard and clean.

Throw out mast dose primo higher

 

[chadisbeingmade]

dose primo higher

You fucking imbecile.

 

[Dr.D]

You fucking imbecile.

Nah dude if your carful with Primo it's like the best anabolic compound Mast is kinda ass in terms of gains so all in with primo is reasonable

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Nah dude if your carful with Primo it's like the best anabolic compound Mast is kinda ass in terms of gains so all in with primo is reasonable

I take it you’ve never used steroids in your life from such a retarded comment. Both primo and mast are absolutely utterly worthless. I rather (and have) run Tren than such dogshit.

 

[Noesis]

Dut does nothing against dht derivatives, it only blocks t to dht conversion.

Jfl at people who don't understand 5ar

 

[bobbyp343]

I take it you’ve never used steroids in your life from such a retarded comment. Both primo and mast are absolutely utterly worthless. I rather (and have) run Tren than such dogshit.

Why tren? Why not just use anavar

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Why tren? Why not just use anavar

Var is also worthless. All it gives you is some hardness and midsection lipolysis while completely eviscerating your lipid profile.

Trens only valid use is when starvemaxing.

 

[bobbyp343]

Var is also worthless. All it gives you is some hardness and midsection lipolysis while completely eviscerating your lipid profile.

Trens only valid use is when starvemaxing.

So you are using tren in a deficit to prevent muscle wasting and build size? If so valid as Tren is the only aas that can build size in a deficit. However with health sides and hair risk which is only partially stoppable with RU58841 I don't know if it's worth it.

What dose are you talking? Like 100 ace?

 

[theübermenschboy]

I see you are not the sharpest tool in the shed believing Dut will help against DHT derivatives! Dut only blocks Test to DHT conversion not injected compounds . Make sure to use the RU consistently because that is the only thing that can help

 

[chadisbeingmade]

So you are using tren in a deficit to prevent muscle wasting and build size? If so valid as Tren is the only aas that can build size in a deficit. However with health sides and hair risk which is only partially stoppable with RU58841 I don't know if it's worth it.

What dose are you talking? Like 100 ace?

You’re using it for the glucocorticoid receptor antagonism.

Hair risk can be mitigated for the most part with high conc RU in high conc DMSO. Talking like 10% RU in 20% DMSO at least. Should withstand up to 350mg of Tren, in theory.

You aren’t using it for a prolonged period of time, maybe a month and a bit, to shed off as much fat as humanly possible with no lean mass loss. Risk to your hair and health is extremely minimal.

Most people don’t even have enough muscle to warrant a Tren cut, they can most likely maintain all they have on moderate test dosages. If they want to go down that route, even 10mg ED would be enough for our purpose.

For growth, nothing more than 250-1g Test and GH is needed.

 

[bobbyp343]

B

You’re using it for the glucocorticoid receptor antagonism.

Hair risk can be mitigated for the most part with high conc RU in high conc DMSO. Talking like 10% RU in 20% DMSO at least. Should withstand up to 350mg of Tren, in theory.

You aren’t using it for a prolonged period of time, maybe a month and a bit, to shed off as much fat as humanly possible with no lean mass loss. Risk to your hair and health is extremely minimal.

Most people don’t even have enough muscle to warrant a Tren cut, they can most likely maintain all they have on moderate test dosages. If they want to go down that route, even 10mg ED would be enough for our purpose.

For growth, nothing more than 250-1g Test and GH is needed.

But even 1 month on tren is exposing your body to organ damage and lipid risk. And there are stories of guys with permanent sexual sides from tren I don't get why you couldn't cut on 250 test

 

[chadisbeingmade]

B

But even 1 month on tren is exposing your body to organ damage and lipid risk. And there are stories of guys with permanent sexual sides from tren I don't get why you couldn't cut on 250 test

As I said, most people don’t have enough muscle to warrant a cut with Tren.

Only time i’d do it is when running DNP and doing PSMF.

Yes Tren is toxic. No one ever denied that. It’s high risk, high reward. I didn’t tell anyone to run it in this thread, I said I would rather run it over that dogshit, mast and primo, as it actually does have benefits, unlike the others which are completely worthless.

Some of us don’t like spending ages cutting and would rather shed 8kg of pure fat in a fortnight. Up to you to weight the risk vs reward. It’s not something you can accomplish on 250mg Test without muscle loss.

 

[bobbyp343]

As I said, most people don’t have enough muscle to warrant a cut with Tren.

Only time i’d do it is when running DNP and doing PSMF.

Yes Tren is toxic. No one ever denied that. It’s high risk, high reward. I didn’t tell anyone to run it in this thread, I said I would rather run it over that dogshit, mast and primo, as it actually does have benefits, unlike the others which are completely worthless.

Some of us don’t like spending ages cutting and would rather shed 8kg of pure fat in a fortnight. Up to you to weight the risk vs reward.

Yeah I usually drop to 1k cals and go on 250 test to cut or even TRT dose. I cut with var and it helped in the mirror and with strength but doubt it builds much size.

Primo is hair safe and good but you need to use 300 mg+. It's expensive and hard to source. Why don't you like primo? If I could afford it Id build on test and primo

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Primo is hair safe and good but you need to use 300 mg+. It's expensive and hard to source. Why don't you like primo? If I could afford it Id build on test and primo

Which TikToker do you listen to?

@SlayerJonas @imontheloose

 

[bobbyp343]

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@SlayerJonas @imontheloose

Lots of guys can run primo without hairloss if you can't that doesn't make it unsafe

 

[bobbyp343]

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Which TikToker do you listen to?

@SlayerJonas @imontheloose

I don't use tin Tok I'm from old school aas circles

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Lots of guys can run primo without hairloss if you can't that doesn't make it unsafe

What a fucking retarded argument.

There are lots of guys who don't shed a single fucking strand while blasting grams of tren weekly. You want to tell me Tren is hair safe?

Just like there are plenty of subhumans who have to use 5ARi, topical AA, topical spironolactone, topical estrogen to keep hair. It's called genetics.

I don't use tin Tok I'm from old school aas circles

I highly doubt that. Primo is notorious for literally anally fucking every hair follicle on your head.

 

[bobbyp343]

What a fucking retarded argument.

There are lots of guys who don't shed a single fucking strand while blasting grams of tren weekly. You want to tell me Tren is hair safe?

Just like there are plenty of subhumans who have to use 5ARi, topical AA, topical spironolactone, topical estrogen to keep hair. It's called genetics.


I highly doubt that. Primo is notorious for literally anally fucking every hair follicle on your head.

Im just saying lots of guys of aas forums say primo is hair safe. I have never used it and don't know enough about it

 

[bobbyp343]

What a fucking retarded argument.

There are lots of guys who don't shed a single fucking strand while blasting grams of tren weekly. You want to tell me Tren is hair safe?

Just like there are plenty of subhumans who have to use 5ARi, topical AA, topical spironolactone, topical estrogen to keep hair. It's called genetics.


I highly doubt that. Primo is notorious for literally anally fucking every hair follicle on your head.

Dude why are you such a massive ass. Guarantee your physique looks trash despite AAS

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Im just saying lots of guys of aas forums say primo is hair safe.

You must severely lack reading comprehension abilities in that case.

I have never used it

I’m fully aware, otherwise you would be crying about the fact you need a hair transplant instead of thinking of going to Brazil.

don't know enough about it

“enough” is an overstatement. “Anything” is more appropriate.

Dude why are you such a massive ass.

No, Dude. You’re just a massive retard.

Guarantee your physique looks trash despite AAS

Empty insults after being utterly embarrassed. Whatever makes you sleep at night, dude.

 

[bobbyp343]

You must severely lack reading comprehension abilities in that case.


I’m fully aware, otherwise you would be crying about the fact you need a hair transplant instead of thinking of going to Brazil.


“enough” is an overstatement. “Anything” is more appropriate.


No, Dude. You’re just a massive retard.


Empty insults after being utterly embarrassed. Whatever makes you sleep at night, dude.

Dude you didn't provide a single study or evidence showing Primo is more unsafe at the follicular level than other AAS. So you are saying Tren is more hair safe with RU than primo? I'd genuinely like to see evidence supporting this

 

[TheNigreriaNigtmare]

I take it you’ve never used steroids in your life from such a retarded comment. Both primo and mast are absolutely utterly worthless. I rather (and have) run Tren than such dogshit.

I’m only using Primo to Keep E2 in a good range last time I checked it was 46 and I’m getting bloods again in a bit to see what they are now and on that note is low dose tren a looks min 2:1 test and primo then add in tren as a bonus?

 

[TheNigreriaNigtmare]

I’m only using Primo to Keep E2 in a good range last time I checked it was 46 and I’m getting bloods again in a bit to see what they are now and on that note is low dose tren a looks min 2:1 test and primo then add in tren as a bonus?

My issue is I can’t find primo fucking anywhere I can only find fucking blends with Test/Mast/Primo 2:1:1

 

[TheNigreriaNigtmare]

Dut does nothing against dht derivatives, it only blocks t to dht conversion.

I’ve decided to keep it simple and run 300 test with 150 primo. That way I won’t need an AI, since my E2 should stay moderate and in a good range. If for some reason it doesn’t, I’ll just come off and go back to using an AI. Later on, I might add 150 NPP if my hair can tolerate it, since I’ll already be running dutasteride, which also helps with elastin. At 150 mg, primo isn’t high enough to negatively affect that anyway.

 

[clfuture]

I’ve decided to keep it simple and run 300 test with 150 primo. That way I won’t need an AI, since my E2 should stay moderate and in a good range. If for some reason it doesn’t, I’ll just come off and go back to using an AI. Later on, I might add 150 NPP if my hair can tolerate it, since I’ll already be running dutasteride, which also helps with elastin. At 150 mg, primo isn’t high enough to negatively affect that anyway.

Hey everyone,

I’m planning a 6-month looksmax stack and aiming for that dry, hard aesthetic while staying hair-conscious and minimizing aging effects.

Here’s what I’m thinking:

• Testosterone Enanthate: 400 mg/week
• Drostanolone Enanthate (Masteron): 200 mg/week
• Methenolone Enanthate (Primobolan): 200 mg/week
• Hair protection: Dutasteride (low dose) + RU-58841 topically
• HGH: 3 IU nightly for skin/joint support
• Extras: Semax, GHK-Cu, Glutathione, and daily Cialis, Ezebimide, Telemasartin, Nabivilol.

Concerns:

• Both Mast and Primo are DHT derivatives—will Dutasteride + RU really be enough to protect my hairline?
• I’ve seen mention that Mast can be especially destructive to hair even with Dut; Primo is milder but still risky.
• Estrogen might crash due to DHT compounds and low TRT, affecting joints and libido.

Questions—Would love your input:

1. Given this stack (Test/Primo/Mast), how hair-safe is it really?
2. What would you run instead to balance looksmax aesthetic gains with long-term skin and hair retention?
3. Should I consider swapping Mast or Primo for more moderate options like low-dose EQ or even Deca (as seen in low-androgen cycles like 200 mg Test + 200 mg Deca)?
4. Any tweaks needed for better hormonal and collagen support?

Thanks for the advice looking to grow hard and clean.

please for the love of god do not take primo, at 300 test there is such a low chance you would need to crush your e2 and if you do get estrogen related sides just take a low dose of an AI,I was giga low IQ when I first started roiding but I never touched hair killers like primo. Just take test+dut+ru+Gh for your first cycle, your hair+skin will thank you

 

[TheNigreriaNigtmare]

please for the love of god do not take primo, at 300 test there is such a low chance you would need to crush your e2 and if you do get estrogen related sides just take a low dose of an AI,I was giga low IQ when I first started roiding but I never touched hair killers like primo. Just take test+dut+ru+Gh for your first cycle, your hair+skin will thank you

What about bloating or If I want more growth

 

[clfuture]

What about bloating or If I want more growth

1. roiding for growth of facial bones is a meme, besides if it wasn't a meme how the fuck would dht derivatives help you achieve more growth. It is well known that the only thing dht does is increase penile development, if you are that young (16 and under) then you have a valid reason for using mast, if not then that and primo is retarded to use for "growth"
2. I am assuming this is your first cycle based on just your approach, nothing wrong with that we all stat somewhere. It is an unpopular opinion but the ideal first cycle imo is first, cutting down to 10 percent bf or lower using just trt, like 2 ius gh, and reta, then going on something like 500 test and 4 ius of gh for 20 weeks in a bulk, using an ai when you feel like you have estrogen sides, during this time I do not give a fuck about being chiseled as I am bulking anyways not in a gay gymcel way and graining excess fat, but going from 10 to 13 or 14 percent bf in this time eating in a calorie surplus. Remember, the chisel will always be there when you lean out again.
TLDR, go on a bulk for 20 weeks and just not give a fuck about being chiseled while being on peak gear, use it as a growth period

 

[TheNigreriaNigtmare]

1. roiding for growth of facial bones is a meme, besides if it wasn't a meme how the fuck would dht derivatives help you achieve more growth. It is well known that the only thing dht does is increase penile development, if you are that young (16 and under) then you have a valid reason for using mast, if not then that and primo is retarded to use for "growth"
2. I am assuming this is your first cycle based on just your approach, nothing wrong with that we all stat somewhere. It is an unpopular opinion but the ideal first cycle imo is first, cutting down to 10 percent bf or lower using just trt, like 2 ius gh, and reta, then going on something like 500 test and 4 ius of gh for 20 weeks in a bulk, using an ai when you feel like you have estrogen sides, during this time I do not give a fuck about being chiseled as I am bulking anyways not in a gay gymcel way and graining excess fat, but going from 10 to 13 or 14 percent bf in this time eating in a calorie surplus. Remember, the chisel will always be there when you lean out again.
TLDR, go on a bulk for 20 weeks and just not give a fuck about being chiseled while being on peak gear, use it as a growth period

No I ment muscle growth but this really helped thankyou

 

[Newday*V3]

• Testosterone Enanthate: 400 mg/week
• Drostanolone Enanthate (Masteron): 200 mg/week
• Methenolone Enanthate (Primobolan): 200 mg/week
• Hair protection: Dutasteride (low dose) + RU-58841 topically
• HGH: 3 IU nightly for skin/joint support
• Extras: Semax, GHK-Cu, Glutathione, and daily Cialis, Ezebimide, Telemasartin, Nabivilol.

Pick either mast or primo, btw primo fucking sucks and is super expensive and at that dose it is shit. for example test is 1:1 anabolic and androgenic, primo is only 2:1 jfl. Drop primo, run mast, add low dose tren

Concerns:

• Both Mast and Primo are DHT derivatives—will Dutasteride + RU really be enough to protect my hairline?

Dut will stop 5ar DHT conversion from test but do nothing for DHT derivatives, RU is fine.

• I’ve seen mention that Mast can be especially destructive to hair even with Dut; Primo is milder but still risky.

It is slight brainwash, DHT derivates aren't as detrimental as DHT themselves, you will likely suffer balding from your 5ar enzyme activity with test.

• Estrogen might crash due to DHT compounds and low TRT, affecting joints and libido.

You are running a good amount of test anyway

1. What would you run instead to balance looksmax aesthetic gains with long-term skin and hair retention?

Depends on the person

1. Should I consider swapping Mast or Primo for more moderate options like low-dose EQ or even Deca (as seen in low-androgen cycles like 200 mg Test + 200 mg Deca)?

You can do deca but you will need tamoxifen if using it