Before and after Invisalign! XD (Also before and after skull size))

[mvp2v1]

Another job well-done orthos!

 

[alriodai]

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Another job well-done orthos!

is the before her on the left
and after her on the righT?

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

 

[Erik-Jón]

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Another job well-done orthos!

Oh wtf I’m never getting braces

 

[Growth Plate]

Sticking with my crooked ass teeth I guess

 

[mvp2v1]

is the before her on the left
and after her on the righT?

Correct.

 

[them streets b cold]

the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

 

[puppymaxer]

I mean whats the alternative to this? Fucked up teeth instead? I'm good

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

great game they should do a remaster

 

[mvp2v1]

I mean whats the alternative to this? Fucked up teeth instead? I'm good

Orthotropics

 

[mvp2v1]

Oh wtf I’m never getting braces

I got braces and functional appliances around 13. Wish I was mature enough to research what was being done to me before it wrecked my face (similar to the girl in pic tbh). Orthotropics is the solution (If one can fuck up a face at old age it can be fixed in old age).

 

[Erik-Jón]

I got braces and functional appliances around 13. Wish I was mature enough to research what was being done to me before it wrecked my face (similar to the girl in pic tbh). Orthotropics is the solution (If braces can fuck up your face at old age you can fix it in old age).

Wdym orthotropics

 

[mvp2v1]

Wdym orthotropics

Orthotropics for patients - Orthotropics

The IAFGG represents all those clinicians and technicians who believe that ideal development of the face and jaws is dependent on correct ‘oral posture’.

orthotropics.com

It's basically mewing therapy. They try and speed up the whole process via appliances etc.

 

[Erik-Jón]

Orthotropics for patients - Orthotropics

The IAFGG represents all those clinicians and technicians who believe that ideal development of the face and jaws is dependent on correct ‘oral posture’.

orthotropics.com

It's basically mewing therapy. They try and speed up the whole process via appliances etc.

Not real

 

[Deleted member 15854]

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Another job well-done orthos!

i had extraction retraction ortho bro

 

[Jpg]

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Dumb bitch lost 50% of her jaw just to close that 1 millimeter gap

 

[unlucko]

(If one can fuck up a face at old age it can be fixed in old age).

if true then osteoporosis would have a cure, loss is easier than growth

 

[ascension!]

How? What do you suggest next? I was thinking of getting an INVISALIGN treatment along with orofacial myology rehabilitation.

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

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Another job well-done orthos!

Professional photo vs selfie jfl at dumbcels who think braces can make jaw narrower

 

[mvp2v1]

Professional photo vs selfie jfl at dumbcels who think braces can make jaw narrower

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

Stand in front of a mirror take close pic and zoomed pic from distance theory
Jfl at mewcels copers

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

@thecel thoughts?

 

[fruitgunpop]

What in the actual fuck
Was any teeth extracted?

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

What in the actual fuck
Was any teeth extracted?

Picture was taking from distance

 

[mvp2v1]

What in the actual fuck
Was any teeth extracted?

no

Picture was taking from distance

True but the difference is clear to anyone with a civilized IQ. Just use your eyes

 

[Chadpreetmaybe]

Mewing = life, jfl at non mewers coping with surgery

 

[SoonToAscend]

no

True but the difference is clear to anyone with a civilized IQ. Just use your eyes

Jesus, how the fuck did it happen then? This looks like a glowdown that happens only after infamous 4 on the floor

 

[Chadpreetmaybe]

Who is the first guy and how did he widen his face so much?

 

[ascension!]

How? What do you suggest next? I was thinking of getting an INVISALIGN treatment along with orofacial myology rehabilitation.

Explain pls. @mvp2v1

 

[Chadpreetmaybe]

Who is the first guy and how did he widen his face so much?

@mvp2v1

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

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pedics or tropics?

 

[Mr.Proper]

Invisalign can be used to expand teeth arches too. It's usually extractions and/or retraction which makes things worse.
I wonder, however, if total teeth replacement (such as All-on-8) preserves jaw. Does anybody know?

 

[SoonToAscend]

Invisalign can be used to expand teeth arches too. It's usually extractions and/or retraction which makes things worse.
I wonder, however, if total teeth replacement (such as All-on-8) preserves jaw. Does anybody know?

Wdym all-on-8? What's this?

 

[Mr.Proper]

Wdym all-on-8? What's this?

It's usually for older people or who lost a lot of their teeth in accidents, or their teeth condition is too bad and it's easier to replace them. One dental arch is placed on 8 implants, so, for total teeth replacement it's 16 implants.
Anyway, on topic - classically trained orthodontists prefer straight teeth to anything else in aesthetics, you need to know it when opting for treatments. Sadly, a lot of people blindly trust whatever the doc says and get wrecked for their own money.

 

[SoonToAscend]

It's usually for older people or who lost a lot of their teeth in accidents, or their teeth condition is too bad and it's easier to replace them. One dental arch is placed on 8 implants, so, for total teeth replacement it's 16 implants.
Anyway, on topic - classically trained orthodontists prefer straight teeth to anything else in aesthetics, you need to know it when opting for treatments. Sadly, a lot of people blindly trust whatever the doc says and get wrecked for their own money.

Wait, 16 teeth? Isn't that like... half of what you should have?

 

[Mr.Proper]

Wait, 16 teeth? Isn't that like... half of what you should have?

 

[RAITEIII]

That cant be real. I feel like killing my orthodontist

 

[HerpDerpson]

the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

Not industrial, the agricultural one (invention of bread, rice and other carb-based foods).

 

[It'snotover]

I got braces and functional appliances around 13. Wish I was mature enough to research what was being done to me before it wrecked my face (similar to the girl in pic tbh). Orthotropics is the solution (If one can fuck up a face at old age it can be fixed in old age).

Same. Would kill myself for getting invisalign Light from 13 to 14, i wouldn't be rotting here now

 

[SoonToAscend]

Ah ok, 16 on an arch

 

[SoonToAscend]

Not industrial, the agricultural one (invention of bread, rice and other carb-based foods).

Nah people were fine on that until around 19th century

 

[HerpDerpson]

Nah people were fine on that until around 19th century

They started pulling out rotten teeth as soon as farming was invented. Hunter-gatherers had perfect teeth. You don't have to brush you teeth at all if you only eat meat.
Chewing probably declined earlier, when thermal treatment of meat was invented, but not to the degree eating processed grains caused. No chewing - small jaw - crowding and malocclusion.

 

[Deleted member 20565]

holy shit

 

[SoonToAscend]

They started pulling out rotten teeth as soon as farming was invented. Hunter-gatherers had perfect teeth. You don't have to brush you teeth at all if you only eat meat.
Chewing probably declined earlier, when thermal treatment of meat was invented, but not to the degree eating processed grains caused. No chewing - small jaw - crowding and malocclusion.

Hunter gatherers didn't have perfect teeth

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1318176111

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.23216

Ancestors of humans, even before humans, still had cavities https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95330-x
The truth is: stop the cope, if you have a non-shitty diet with todays technology you can have prettier and stronger teeth than any hunter-gatherer that died of infected wound at a ripe age of 25

Processed foods increase cavities, unprocessed decrease it

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7329164/pdf/nihms-1594610.pdf

After agriculture was invented people still had very, very little overbite, underbite and there were practically no mouth breathers. I remember one time a skull of german peasant from 12th century was confused with that of a hunter gatherer because his jaws were so robust, and medieval peasants ate like 1-3 pounds of bread daily
Sadly I couldn't find the image, nor the other one that showcased the glowdown of British indians

 

[SoonToAscend]

They started pulling out rotten teeth as soon as farming was invented. Hunter-gatherers had perfect teeth. You don't have to brush you teeth at all if you only eat meat.
Chewing probably declined earlier, when thermal treatment of meat was invented, but not to the degree eating processed grains caused. No chewing - small jaw - crowding and malocclusion.

Also even when meat is cooked you still need to chew it. They didn't grind it up or anything

 

[mvp2v1]

Jesus, how the fuck did it happen then? This looks like a glowdown that happens only after infamous 4 on the floor

This is the video I got the pic from. How it happened I'm not sure, I don't fully understand the dynamics of facial bone change. I mean even With something as simple as extractions I struggle to imagine the ways the bones change (although that's a simpler example)

Who is the first guy and how did he widen his face so much?

@mvp2v1

@retard in his thread on palatal expansion he gives an example of how if you place some fresh clay on a table and you press on it it will expand sideways. Its the same with the face, when you apply the right force you will get a certain displacement. In his case and the case of successful mewrs its a vertical shortening and a horizontal expansion.

Explain pls. @mvp2v1

You need to expand the jaws (sagittally and horizontally). If I could go back in time to when I was 13 with really crooked teeth, with what I know now I would have gone to an orthotropist. They would have used appliances which help expand the jaws so that the tongue can then do its thing. Fixed my tongue tie etc...

pedics or tropics?

Dontics

 

[mvp2v1]

Hunter gatherers didn't have perfect teeth

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1318176111

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.23216

Ancestors of humans, even before humans, still had cavities https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95330-x
The truth is: stop the cope, if you have a non-shitty diet with todays technology you can have prettier and stronger teeth than any hunter-gatherer that died of infected wound at a ripe age of 25

Processed foods increase cavities, unprocessed decrease it

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7329164/pdf/nihms-1594610.pdf

After agriculture was invented people still had very, very little overbite, underbite and there were practically no mouth breathers. I remember one time a skull of german peasant from 12th century was confused with that of a hunter gatherer because his jaws were so robust, and medieval peasants ate like 1-3 pounds of bread daily
Sadly I couldn't find the image, nor the other one that showcased the glowdown of British indians

I didnt read the links you sent, but the fact is that the vast majority of ancient humans had very straight teeth. Look at modern day tribes and other primitive humans look at their faces and look at their teeth. The vast majority is perfect:



this isn't a great example bc they are semi-modern but look at the uniformity in their facial structures.

 

[SoonToAscend]

I didnt read the links you sent, but the fact is that the vast majority of ancient humans had very straight teeth. Look at modern day tribes and other primitive humans look at their faces and look at their teeth. The vast majority is perfect:



this isn't a great example bc they are semi-modern but look at the uniformity in their facial structures.

I didn't say they had crooked teeth. Quite the opposite. They had cavities ofc but they had straight teeth - long into the middle ages. Only after 19th century do jaw problems became common

 

[SoonToAscend]

Similar to this, good jaw development but teeth were lost because of the lifelong use of them. Teeth health is one of the few things modern society is better at.

 

[mvp2v1]

This video is quite good as well. John Mew basically researched preferences of the general public vs that of orthodontists and found that orthodontists have different view on ideal beauty, which may influence how they treat faces. Specifically, he found that they prefer flat faces with less cheekbones.