Behavior mogs looks when it comes to securing sex from foids

[9cel]

No, they’re fucking, and many times the girl is the one obsessing over the guy while the guy cheats on her, abuses her, etc. I know this because my sister has a history of dating down and I’ve spent countless hours of my life counseling her about abusive relationships that she had with subhumans. Girls give themselves to subhumans, it’s one of the blackest pills there is.

anecdotal evidence, give a study that suggests why this would be the case and the common scenario and not just an anomaly.

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

no behaviour for your receding hairline

 

[Whatever]

anecdotal evidence, give a study that suggests why this would be the case and the common scenario and not just an anomaly.

This topic would never be thoroughly covered in a study. This is the kind of thing that anecdotal evidence tells the story of and that’s why I’m even on .org, to post and read anecdotes. I don’t need to read some long winded academic bullshit, I’ve lived life, I know what I’ve been around and what I see. And if I see something on the internet that contradicts my real life experience, then I’ll stick with my real life experience, and honestly everyone on here should do the same.

There’s no reason why my sister would be some anomaly. It’s easier for me to believe that there are a lot of girls like my sister, because what made her that way was conditions that a lot of people grow up in. She’s not even the only girl I know who dates down. And I definitely see plenty of girls who I get oneitis for on the spot with some subhuman who I mog, and if you left the house enough then so would you. But I can kinda guess what goes on in those relationships and maybe I shouldn’t be so jealous.

 

[9cel]

This topic would never be thoroughly covered in a study. This is the kind of thing that anecdotal evidence tells the story of and that’s why I’m even on .org, to post and read anecdotes. I don’t need to read some long winded academic bullshit, I’ve lived life, I know what I’ve been around and what I see. And if I see something on the internet that contradicts my real life experience, then I’ll stick with my real life experience, and honestly everyone on here should do the same.

There’s no reason why my sister would be some anomaly. It’s easier for me to believe that there are a lot of girls like my sister, because what made her that way was conditions that a lot of people grow up in. She’s not even the only girl I know who dates down. And I definitely see plenty of girls who I get oneitis for on the spot with some subhuman who I mog, and if you left the house enough then so would you. But I can kinda guess what goes on in those relationships and maybe I shouldn’t be so jealous.

muh anecdotes. anecdotal evidence isnt considered accurate at measuring the objective truth because of stuff like confirmation bias and tunnel vision, dnrd

 

[6ft4]

This topic would never be thoroughly covered in a study. This is the kind of thing that anecdotal evidence tells the story of and that’s why I’m even on .org, to post and read anecdotes. I don’t need to read some long winded academic bullshit, I’ve lived life, I know what I’ve been around and what I see. And if I see something on the internet that contradicts my real life experience, then I’ll stick with my real life experience, and honestly everyone on here should do the same.

There’s no reason why my sister would be some anomaly. It’s easier for me to believe that there are a lot of girls like my sister, because what made her that way was conditions that a lot of people grow up in. She’s not even the only girl I know who dates down. And I definitely see plenty of girls who I get oneitis for on the spot with some subhuman who I mog, and if you left the house enough then so would you. But I can kinda guess what goes on in those relationships and maybe I shouldn’t be so jealous.

I see this all the time as well as have most people with a decent level of life experience
Have you ever had her explain to you how she meets these subhumans and why she gives them a chance?

As a HTN, In recent years I haven't even had a foid give enough of a shit about me sending them snaps of my HTN face to get into consistent chatting/talking stage (granted I havent really had the motivation for being persistant with it given I'm living rural and meeting a foid would be a masisve hassle to organize)
Pre surgery it would've been easy to assume my face was holding me back but from gaining favour with foids and developing talking stages over snapchat but it was actually way easier for me back then to get a girls interest despite looking back at some of the snaps I sent and they looked shit (more bloated face with an underbite and dogshit camera quality and background)

My current self mogs my former self hard yet girls I tried to engage with online in recent times just weren't interested
I have seen what some MTNs and LTNs look like in selfie cameras and if I was a foid I would be utterly disgusted at seeing their face show up on my screen yet there are HTBs who somehow can develop attraction to objectively unattractive faces.
Fair enough familiarity works on foids, that's old news but how the fuck do they get their foot in the door in the first place to build the familiarity?

Someone just explain to me how foids give these subhumans a chance in the first place to even show their behaviour
Foids must geneuinely feel better about themselves for "giving an ugly guy a chance" like it's a legit kink of theirs and on the opposite end they want to make life for decent looking guys as difficult as possible.
Obviously Chads have it easy but the guys stuck in the decent to fairly goodlooking range who you'd expect to be getting results equivalent to their looks just underperform so hard because there's no foid to take sympathy on them with their kink for going for a guy beneath them but there's also no foid who deems them attractive enough to worship them

What the fuck are the exact specfics of the scenarios where your sister has met these subhumans she fucks?
Why does she let them get their foot in the door and give them a chance?

I could write more on the topic but will leave it at that for now

 

[Whatever]

I see this all the time as well as have most people with a decent level of life experience
Have you ever had her explain to you how she meets these subhumans and why she gives them a chance?

As a HTN, In recent years I haven't even had a foid give enough of a shit about me sending them snaps of my HTN face to get into consistent chatting/talking stage (granted I havent really had the motivation for being persistant with it given I'm living rural and meeting a foid would be a masisve hassle to organize)
Pre surgery it would've been easy to assume my face was holding me back but from gaining favour with foids and developing talking stages over snapchat but it was actually way easier for me back then to get a girls interest despite looking back at some of the snaps I sent and they looked shit (more bloated face with an underbite and dogshit camera quality and background)

My current self mogs my former self hard yet girls I tried to engage with online in recent times just weren't interested
I have seen what some MTNs and LTNs look like in selfie cameras and if I was a foid I would be utterly disgusted at seeing their face show up on my screen yet there are HTBs who somehow can develop attraction to objectively unattractive faces.
Fair enough familiarity works on foids, that's old news but how the fuck do they get their foot in the door in the first place to build the familiarity?

Someone just explain to me how foids give these subhumans a chance in the first place to even show their behaviour
Foids must geneuinely feel better about themselves for "giving an ugly guy a chance" like it's a legit kink of theirs and on the opposite end they want to make life for decent looking guys as difficult as possible.
Obviously Chads have it easy but the guys stuck in the decent to fairly goodlooking range who you'd expect to be getting results equivalent to their looks just underperform so hard because there's no foid to take sympathy on them with their kink for going for a guy beneath them but there's also no foid who deems them attractive enough to worship them

What the fuck are the exact specfics of the scenarios where your sister has met these subhumans she fucks?
Why does she let them get their foot in the door and give them a chance?

I could write more on the topic but will leave it at that for now

Ok, this will be another long .org diary entry, but I've got time. It's funny, apparently me having a sister (we're very close, I'm not saying any of this to shit on her) puts me way ahead of some people in understanding things on here who don't and who need to look up studies because they have no real life experience. Maybe you can even fuck and have relationships with dozens of foids, but because you're so involved in it, you lack the bird's eye vantage point that it takes to get a balanced understanding of things. I was also pretty close with her friends and always had female friends in high school and college so this helped my understanding, even though I was KV until I was 20. I remember this slayer friend I had saying "I wish I had a sister so I could understand girls better" even though he had a constant rotation since high school.

First of all, our parents got divorced when we were teenagers, and our dad was very distant and neglectful even before he left. I'm convinced that the problems between our parents are the cause of all of both mine and her struggles with relationships, with some of mine that I have yet to even get to the bottom of. Certain dynamics that were in our home have always followed us well into adulthood. Both of our parents are legit good looking, but they're both non-NT as fuck, especially our mom who has a hard time with understanding pretty simple things in life and just can't handle life on her own, so much so that she had to move in with me about 3 years ago. Our mom has dated a little bit since the divorce, millionaire guys who look great for their age, but those things ended and she hasn't even tried in several years. She's extremely picky about everything, men included, my sister recognizes this in her and considers it a bad example, so her dating down is among other things like some remedy for our mom's unforgiving standards.

What my sister did get from our mom is the control freak tendency, it was a very maternalistic household that we grew up in, so both me and my sister have it deep in our heads that women lead. And when you have divorced, seemingly asexual and aromantic, non-NT parents you're this huge step behind kids who grew up with parents in a normal relationship - although this is becoming more and more common, so the experiences of me and my sister are if nothing else ahead of their time, everything so many younger zoomers (I was born in 1993 and my sister in 1995) say is so relatable to me. For me this has meant only bothering with girls who approach me and are pretty direct, for my sister this means a lot but one big thing is only dating guys that she thinks she can have control over. Me and my sister's experiences have this symmetry to each other.

Maybe subhumans is a bit harsh, like I said my sister has dated a variety, and if there were any drunken hookups then I don't know, I only know about the ones she dated for at least a few months. The first guy she had a thing with, ya I'll rate him subhuman. Fat, shit face with melted bones and NCT, no style or niche, not popular at school, he had literally nothing going in his favor. But he added my sister on Facebook and sent her a message "you a sexy lady" and I guess since that was the first bit of direct attention that my sister had ever received, boom, he's in via just be first. The uglier guys she has dated - I'd say LTN, they had decent overall phenos but shitty faces with PSL flaws like horseface or shitty eye area, it went something like that each time. They approached her with low inhib, direct attention at just the right time in her life and yes, it struck her right in the "give the ugly guy the chance" chord. It's nothing specific in the guys' behavior that I was able to discern, if anything they acted like desperate retards, it was 100% the low inhib and the timing that made it work. When I see mismatched couples I have those exact questions "how did they meet and at what point did they start to pair off?" and "at what point did she decide to actually have sex with the subhuman?". Maybe the specifics are a little bit different in each case, but 100% for absolute certain low inhib and lucky timing is the constant.

After high school she almost went to the other extreme. She went to a college with a lot of international students and dated this French soccer player, I was so happy for her and wanted them to get married (I want to have a cool brother in law and successful nieces and nephews). She had this group of friends that she would go out with, party hard with, chase after the Chaddiest guys at the school... but this life kinda chewed my sister up and spat her back out. She would call me drunk, crying hysterically, she just couldn't keep up with it. And maybe ever since she has since associated chasing good looking guys with really negative experiences so she didn't wanna do it.

She has never approached guys on impulse, only once that I know of because she called me to tell me about it right afterwards. She was in a gift shop somewhere and this guy who might've been an NHL hockey player walked in, she was in legit awe of this man, but he didn't speak much English and nothing happened. I've been approached way more than once in my life, so what I'll always remember about this is that girls have totally varying inhibition levels... no matter how many low inhib sluts approach you, some girls are so high inhib that you have to approach them.

Even in situations where it should be all about the face, like online dating, my sister still never picked the guy with the best face. She lives in an area with demographics in her favor (extremely high male to female ratio), she downloaded Hinge and got like 300 likes the first 24 hours. And who did she end up with... a manlet 11 years older than her. He has a lot of money and his face is at least average but once again, she could've done better, but she didn't. They're getting married soon.

Again, my experiences are kinda the contrast of hers, this complex I have that came from being raised by a single mother and then my one year in college, experience after experience I had drilled it into my head "let them come to me". So I've never been the one to approach girls, take the lead, I let them come to me and that means when I go into extreme reclusion (like for most of my life) I get nothing. Even making a Hinge with the goal of actually meeting girls and messaging them first is a big step for me, I'm not all the way comfortable with it but I'm forcing myself to do it. I have 8 slays (all 2014-2019) and what's interesting is the only one that I approached first - every other one totally fell in my lap - but the one that I met in a hostel in Europe and approached myself - was by far the hottest, most interesting, best everything girl that I've ever been with. Everything about her and that experience felt so perfect, like I was truly peaking in life. So I know that when you approach the right girl at the right time, the sky is the limit, but it's like you need to have good things happen first or be riding some high in life and the girl will almost magically appear there. My first girl was I'd say 2 PSL points above me on the old scale (5.5 and 7.5) but my pheno and that I'm 6'2" somewhat balanced it out, it made sense to everyone that we were together, but I was still in this talking/dating/friend zone thing for 3 months before we finally fucked. Two points about this: pheno is way more important than face, I think physical attraction is more about phenotype matching than PSL score. And if you put in some kind of work, be it approaching first or being patient until the girl is in the mood, that's how I dated up. And at 6'4" and HTN that would mean you need to do that on top tier girls of certain phenos, obviously the question is how do you meet them.

I have similar questions about being in this awkward middle ground. I feel invisible just walking around, I wasn't 5-10 years ago before I looksmaxxed, I used to get IOIs and approaches but not any more. I don't think I'm too good looking for the girl to feel like she's dating down, but more like I have too many of the good traits (height, big skull and jaw, great skin and hair for 30) of a Chad without the whole package, so with me she doesn't get Chad but she's not really settling either if that's what she wants. And tall mogging guys might remind her of pump and dumps, being rejected, things she's tired of. Call it post-hypergamy, maybe we're entering a post-hypergamous world. I haven't met any girl off of Hinge yet but the 19-20 year old ones are way more receptive, I'm noticing. And this is where some oofy doofy might come in, I did so much cringe shit in front of my first girl that I don't have it in me to do again, but not only did I end up with her, she specifically liked me doing the cringe shit and would come over uninvited just so we could get drunk and laugh hysterically at I don't even remember what and fuck. It's all about blasting their dopamine receptors. I've tried different openers and approaches on Hinge but compliments and oofy doofy get me way more responses. Ugh, I have to run oofy doofy game on girls that seem out of my league again, holy shit, the past really does repeat itself.

 

[6ft4]

Our mom has dated a little bit since the divorce, millionaire guys who look great for their age, but those things ended and she hasn't even tried in several years. She's extremely picky about everything, men included, my sister recognizes this in her and considers it a bad example, so her dating down is among other things like some remedy for our mom's unforgiving standards.

It honestly seems like women fall into one extreme or the other, insane standards for success and looks metrics or no standards for them but seek certain behaviours mostly cuckish/oofy doofy or low IQ retard

What my sister did get from our mom is the control freak tendency. For me this has meant only bothering with girls who approach me and are pretty direct, for my sister this means a lot but one big thing is only dating guys that she thinks she can have control over.

This is what I always felt, foids who date down desire control over the guy, they want to know the guy cant do better than her and wont leave her even tho they fail to realize that if she's willing to date down then other girls are willing to do the same thing so the guy will probably get more chances to date girls of her level
This leaves decent looking guys stuck in looks purgatory since no HTB thinks she can have total control over a HTN in a relationship but if she's going to risk getting pumped and dumped she may as well have hookups with Chads and Chadlites

he first guy she had a thing with, ya I'll rate him subhuman. Fat, shit face with melted bones and NCT, no style or niche, not popular at school, he had literally nothing going in his favor. But he added my sister on Facebook and sent her a message "you a sexy lady" and I guess since that was the first bit of direct attention that my sister had ever received, boom, he's in via just be first. The uglier guys she has dated - I'd say LTN, they had decent overall phenos but shitty faces with PSL flaws like horseface or shitty eye area, it went something like that each time. They approached her with low inhib, direct attention at just the right time in her life and yes, it struck her right in the "give the ugly guy the chance" chord. It's nothing specific in the guys' behavior that I was able to discern, if anything they acted like desperate retards, it was 100% the low inhib and the timing that made it work.

Fuck this is enraging. I've been low inhib more times than I can count in clubs but it's gotten me nowhere except dumpster diving slays.
I know I've only done a handful of daytime cold approaches but why the fuck weren't the average looking chubsters keen to exchange contact details after I demonstrated low inhib. Maybe approaching girls who are objectively below my level and expecting the results I used to get pre 2020 is just out of the question in 2024.
The dynamic I feel when I approach girls who think they're hot is just so shit tho, I sense no submissiveness from them, they just remain stone faced like it's a business meeting where I have to sell a product to them and do everything to gain their approval, it's fucking enraging.
It's like girls only feel a need to reward below average guys for being low inhib because they think he must have a lot of confidence to approach a girl leagues above him when he looks like that but if you're above average looking you don't receive this reward for being confident or low inhib since it's just expected of you while it's a GIGA handicap if you display any moment of high inhib.

After high school she almost went to the other extreme. She went to a college with a lot of international students and dated this French soccer player, I was so happy for her and wanted them to get married (I want to have a cool brother in law and successful nieces and nephews). She had this group of friends that she would go out with, party hard with, chase after the Chaddiest guys at the school... but this life kinda chewed my sister up and spat her back out. She would call me drunk, crying hysterically, she just couldn't keep up with it. And maybe ever since she has since associated chasing good looking guys with really negative experiences so she didn't wanna do it.

Did the guys even do anything bad to her though, Like lets say they meet at a party and fuck then never see each other again, it should be the foids role to pursue after a hookup if she wants anything more.
I suppose a lot of jocks will fuck girls a few times and lead them on then ghost but I've never had that mindset since I'd rather just find a new one night stand than pursue a hookup for a second slay

I've been approached way more than once in my life, so what I'll always remember about this is that girls have totally varying inhibition levels... no matter how many low inhib sluts approach you, some girls are so high inhib that you have to approach them.

What were the circumstances in which you were approached?
I feel there was a span where I was getting approached most nights out but since the foids are drunk it feels meaningless, none even spring to mind off the top of my head meaning none were worth remembering.
Sober circumstances are everything
The times I got approached as a bouncer still live with me but it still triggers enragement by knowing if I was a paying customer they'd be expecting me to impress them rather than them seeking my approval

Even in situations where it should be all about the face, like online dating, my sister still never picked the guy with the best face. She lives in an area with demographics in her favor (extremely high male to female ratio), she downloaded Hinge and got like 300 likes the first 24 hours. And who did she end up with... a manlet 11 years older than her. He has a lot of money and his face is at least average but once again, she could've done better, but she didn't. They're getting married soon.

Fuck I genuinely want her to suffer, no offense.
She makes a mockery of men who are trying to do everything to ascend just to get their looksmatch while already being decent looking meanwhile girls just give these manlets and subhumans a golden ticket without them having any traits that makes them worthy of it.
But I guess there is no such thing as deserving anything in the dating game, the dating game just exists to mentally torture some people and I've been believing in simulation theory more and more by the day

Again, my experiences are kinda the contrast of hers, this complex I have that came from being raised by a single mother and then my one year in college, experience after experience I had drilled it into my head "let them come to me". So I've never been the one to approach girls, take the lead, I let them come to me and that means when I go into extreme reclusion (like for most of my life) I get nothing. Even making a Hinge with the goal of actually meeting girls and messaging them first is a big step for me, I'm not all the way comfortable with it but I'm forcing myself to do it. I have 8 slays (all 2014-2019) and what's interesting is the only one that I approached first - every other one totally fell in my lap - but the one that I met in a hostel in Europe and approached myself - was by far the hottest, most interesting, best everything girl that I've ever been with. Everything about her and that experience felt so perfect, like I was truly peaking in life. So I know that when you approach the right girl at the right time, the sky is the limit, but it's like you need to have good things happen first or be riding some high in life and the girl will almost magically appear there. My first girl was I'd say 2 PSL points above me on the old scale (5.5 and 7.5) but my pheno and that I'm 6'2" somewhat balanced it out, it made sense to everyone that we were together, but I was still in this talking/dating/friend zone thing for 3 months before we finally fucked.

In secondary school I had the same mindset of letting foids come to me which meant no girls in school ever showed interest yet when I went to teen discos girls would ask me to kiss their friends just on the basis of me passing the looks threshold by being average looking.
This made me crave the validation of foids pursuing me so much and it's funny to think that it never got any easier for me than that despite gaining insane amounts of height and lean mass in my later teen years as well as going from a child to man's face.
When I started drinking at 18 I began approaching foids just out of desperation for slays on nights out and I was pretty low inhib but I felt no foids ever came close to being attractive enough for me to want a relationship with them.
I did have two girls beg me to be their boyfriend after slaying them a couple of times to which I agreed but I knew they were destined to fail and sure enough they both broke up with me over not seeing me often enough then wanted me back weeks later.
Complete emotional wrecks who have both fucked utter subhumans then acted like their praise of my traits meant something when they were subhuman fuckers (I'll never touch a subhuman fucker again)

Two points about this: pheno is way more important than face, I think physical attraction is more about phenotype matching than PSL score. And if you put in some kind of work, be it approaching first or being patient until the girl is in the mood, that's how I dated up. And at 6'4" and HTN that would mean you need to do that on top tier girls of certain phenos, obviously the question is how do you meet them.

I think I found the location where my pheno will do the best based on the amount of looks from foids I was getting on the street there but it will still be a challenge to convert any IOIs to meetups or a relationship
It's crazy though how my pheno went from deformed/caricature (underbite with massive chin height) to within the bounds of a normal human face (still with a masc but not caricature chin) and suddenly my success in nightclubs goes to shit.

I have similar questions about being in this awkward middle ground. I feel invisible just walking around, I wasn't 5-10 years ago before I looksmaxxed, I used to get IOIs and approaches but not any more. I don't think I'm too good looking for the girl to feel like she's dating down, but more like I have too many of the good traits (height, big skull and jaw, great skin and hair for 30) of a Chad without the whole package, so with me she doesn't get Chad but she's not really settling either if that's what she wants. And tall mogging guys might remind her of pump and dumps, being rejected, things she's tired of. Call it post-hypergamy, maybe we're entering a post-hypergamous world.

I genuinely believe this to be the case
I wonder how much of the content online about shaming women for being hypergamous and being sluts is changing women's dating strategy, maybe not massively but it wasn't so long ago when there was pretty much zero pushback to girls being giga sluts in college since a certain percentage of men in college were benefitting from it but thanks to all these street interviews and redpill podcasters who's clips will be pushed on tiktok, foids are being bombarded 24/7 with messages about sleeping around lowering their value.

I haven't met any girl off of Hinge yet but the 19-20 year old ones are way more receptive, I'm noticing. And this is where some oofy doofy might come in, I did so much cringe shit in front of my first girl that I don't have it in me to do again, but not only did I end up with her, she specifically liked me doing the cringe shit and would come over uninvited just so we could get drunk and laugh hysterically at I don't even remember what and fuck. It's all about blasting their dopamine receptors. I've tried different openers and approaches on Hinge but compliments and oofy doofy get me way more responses. Ugh, I have to run oofy doofy game on girls that seem out of my league again, holy shit, the past really does repeat itself.

Can you give examples of cringe shit?
I was walking with a girl after a night out recently and I made a post about how I was making her laugh to the point of snorting multiple times without having any idea what I was saying because I was drunk but I hit a moment of sudden soberness where I lost this vibe and she lost interest.
Foids absolutely despise my natural seriousness and inability to be upbeat and "playful" when sober

 

[foreverlawmaxxing]

sex has become a social activity, thus the social dimension is important. but looks get your foot in the door

Yea but why can’t incels understand there is more ways than one to get your foot in the door

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

Unfortnately my brain so so subhuman even getting drunk doesnt lower my inhin and improve my behavior

im scared that being intoxicated would make me even more likely to commit social suicide saying something giga non-nt

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

your logic doesnt really make sense because you could do the exact same thing youve done with "how many slays would i have if sober" and just change it to "how many slays would i have if short" or if ugly and make the same conclusions

 

[Deleted member 72072]

im scared that being intoxicated would make me even more likely to commit social suicide saying something giga non-nt

happened to me when i started complaining to a nt friend how his female friend is dating a “subhuman”. He looked at me like i was crazy

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

happened to me when i started complaining to a nt friend how his female friend is dating a “subhuman”. He looked at me like i was crazy

ive called girls ugly and fat before while completely sober one time i said to a girl her tummy was hanging out her top and she started crying i cant imagine what would happen if i ever got drunk

 

[|Daddy_Zygos|]

Women believe that extraverted behaviour (which is heritable) is a greater predicter that their potential male offspring will reproduce to pass on their genes than if their potential male offspring are physically attractive but behave in a non extraverted manner

Anyone who has taken mdma and went from being rejected by foids to having foids gravitate to them within the same night will know what I'm saying is 100% facts.

how tf do I change my behavior to be more extroverted Like I'm aware looksmaxing helps my confidence put not sure with beign outgoing

 

[spark]

OP's username is 6ft4

he sent me his photo if I remember correctly

he has a very mild case of class III (probably corrected through ortho camouflage) but other than that he has a good looking face

 

[6ft4]

he sent me his photo if I remember correctly

he has a very mild case of class III (probably corrected through ortho camouflage) but other than that he has a good looking face

Cheers, I had the class 3 corrected with bimax and also had genio
I cant say I remember sending many people pics of my face but your description is legit

 

[Olivecel]

Looks start openings, personality & behavior keeps.
Good looks but shitty personality=fuckboy relationships, good looks with a good personality=a healthy relationship.

 

[Deusmaximus]

I am really curious on how you look like. I guess you are already very attractive but have no game without alcohol.

 

[Olivecel]

I am really curious on how you look like. I guess you are already very attractive but have no game without alcohol.

Most guys on here are most likely unattractive.

 

[Whatever]

It honestly seems like women fall into one extreme or the other, insane standards for success and looks metrics or no standards for them but seek certain behaviours mostly cuckish/oofy doofy or low IQ retard

This is what I always felt, foids who date down desire control over the guy, they want to know the guy cant do better than her and wont leave her even tho they fail to realize that if she's willing to date down then other girls are willing to do the same thing so the guy will probably get more chances to date girls of her level
This leaves decent looking guys stuck in looks purgatory since no HTB thinks she can have total control over a HTN in a relationship but if she's going to risk getting pumped and dumped she may as well have hookups with Chads and Chadlites

I've had that question too, if once a subhuman gets lucky with one attractive girl does he start on some hot streak and start living some fantasy. But no, I've never seen anything like that. Guys my sister has dated have said things like “you’re the prettiest girl who has ever liked me” and “I don’t know why you like me, it’s usually short Latinas that do”. And I told her that that is such an insult, run away, but that just didn’t register. Because part of the appeal for the dumpster diving girls is that there’s no competition, or what competition they have they fog easily. My sister is absolutely terrified of having to compete with a girl even close to her level for a guy, I know that runs contrary to what every guy reads about and experiences, but girls like that are out there. She said about how her fiance was "single for 8 years and on Bumble and Hinge the whole time" as if that's not a giant red flag or embarrassing but just totally fine. I've also known couples where the guy dates up and ends up cheating, but he cheats with fat and ugly girls. Which makes sense if he seems them as his natural match, a break from the higher maintenance of the more attractive girl.

I've only ever known one guy, I'd rate him low MTN and he's also ethnic and short, but he always dated way the hell up... this guy was giga NT, giga low inhib, led every conversation, showered everyone he talked to with attention, completely extroverted brain chemistry. But one night his ex and I were trying to study, but she had gotten really high before we met, and she started breaking down and telling me about all this physically and mentally abusive shit that he did, and also how him and that friend group that I was kinda in talked about me basically like I'm not NT. I think back to it and maybe guys with sociopath levels of extroversion get in via that, but once the relationship begins it becomes this trap of head games and abuse that I'm not gonna be jealous of no matter what the girl looks like.

As far as being HTN puts you in something like looks purgatory... yes, if the main thing in a relationship is being used, Chads are of more use to hypergamous foids and low inhib LTN are more use to dumpster diving ones. On Hinge I feel like I’m in looks purgatory, because I'm matching with girls who are top 10% in my area, so the same girls as the Chads match with. I’m in closer competition with the Chads, who have way more NT and status proof on their profile than I do, which seems really helpful in actually getting dates. But the other side of it and I’d say for a healthy and real relationship is that something like HTN or "flawed good looking" is exactly what you wanna be, since the foid feels like she’s getting a real quality guy without the pressure and jealousy of being with a Chad. How do you cross over to that other side, I think it depends on what context the girl sees you in... I disagree with the hard line looks theory “it doesn’t matter how you meet someone”. My experience is that it matters big time, because of how foids compartmentalize. If she’s in a club or online dating, meeting guys the “shopping way”, then she’s gonna play by those rules. But in social circle/work/activities she’ll get to see you regularly, make sense of you, develop a crush, build trust maybe even before you ever talk to her directly. And if a foid is satisfied with just those outlets for meeting guys, she’s not on the apps, then an HTN with the right pheno and style can easily be the best guy she has access to. So once again and the more you break it down, in person > online dating.

Fuck this is enraging. I've been low inhib more times than I can count in clubs but it's gotten me nowhere except dumpster diving slays.
I know I've only done a handful of daytime cold approaches but why the fuck weren't the average looking chubsters keen to exchange contact details after I demonstrated low inhib. Maybe approaching girls who are objectively below my level and expecting the results I used to get pre 2020 is just out of the question in 2024.
The dynamic I feel when I approach girls who think they're hot is just so shit tho, I sense no submissiveness from them, they just remain stone faced like it's a business meeting where I have to sell a product to them and do everything to gain their approval, it's fucking enraging.
It's like girls only feel a need to reward below average guys for being low inhib because they think he must have a lot of confidence to approach a girl leagues above him when he looks like that but if you're above average looking you don't receive this reward for being confident or low inhib since it's just expected of you while it's a GIGA handicap if you display any moment of high inhib.

What that (my sister's first) did for me, because I was like 15 or 16 at the time, was make me from there on associate spam approaching and messaging, sliding into random girls’ DMs, etc. as something desperate loser guys did. “Cool guys have the girls come to them”, and when that started happening to me it was like it was confirmed, I don’t have to resort to that. But without meeting girls in a respectable way I now have to resort to OLD which I just have such a hard time sucking it the fuck up and doing it.

I wanna do daytime cold approaches. I definitely could’ve in the past. I swear it was a different reality because now, even if I was low inhib enough, I just do not see attractive girls who I’d wanna approach anymore. If I go to a store or a restaurant it will be a bunch of boomers and families with kids and maybe some MTBs in a group or something. I had a chance a few months ago to approach a girl I kinda knew, saw one of my yoga teachers at the store, but I was too high inhib. I regret not approaching. It’s really pathetic that I’m 30 and not only can’t approach girls but can’t really initiate conversation with anyone who I don't already know.

I wouldn’t approach them expecting some kind of judgment on my looks and then waiting for IOIs, that actually might be a high inhib mindset. The one time I ever really approached people - when I went to Europe - it wasn’t like “I’m gonna approach girls” it was more like I was talking to everyone. And at the hostel I approached these two French-Canadian girls (I thought they were French at first) and the one just lit up immediately, there was chemistry right away, it went from there and that was the one I slayed. So I know what it feels like when you approach the right girl. If it felt like some business meeting then forget it.

Maybe girls are so used to having creepy old men approach them or catcall them and instantly rejecting that during the day that they can’t really process it when a guy who’s more like their peer does it. And this is more of a US problem, but here there’s so many tweakers and schizos roaming the streets asking people for shit that I might worry about being confused for one of them. I’ve always felt like it’s better to wait until night time, even on Hinge I get more responses when I message after 9 or 10 pm.

If I’m gonna approach, actually I’ll only approach girls I’m legit attracted to, because maybe if she senses some nervousness coming off of me she’ll know it’s attraction, and from there can either give me the chance or just shoo me away. Maybe randomly approaching the right girl at the right time automatically demonstrates low inhib and wakes up the “give the guy the chance” thing. And being legit attracted to her is necessary to make it more real. And ya, you have to wonder if she’s gonna give the chance to a guy who could and should be doing better than her.

Did the guys even do anything bad to her though, Like lets say they meet at a party and fuck then never see each other again, it should be the foids role to pursue after a hookup if she wants anything more.
I suppose a lot of jocks will fuck girls a few times and lead them on then ghost but I've never had that mindset since I'd rather just find a new one night stand than pursue a hookup for a second slay

The worst that I know of is constant head games and psychological manipulation. When my sister was in the midst of her relationships with subhumans she would go into this weird mental fog. And what that came from was, she went into the relationship thinking that she could make the subhuman and his life better, but when that wasn’t happening she would feel defeated. And as soon as another girl entered the picture whatsoever she would freak out.

In 2022 she was dating this horsefaced LTN borderline incel type. This very bland looking girl liked his picture on Insta, that sent my sister into this weird jealous haze, she called me in the middle of night crying about it. Our mom lost it at her, “why the fuck can’t you just date a normal guy”.

The guy before him gave her some STD without telling her. She ignored a red flag that he might have fucked a bunch of really trashy fat girls. I spent about a year warning her about this guy, and I didn’t find out until our mom told me long after the whole thing, because my sister was convinced I would’ve went and killed the guy. They met when he approached her at some activity thing, at just the right time.

What were the circumstances in which you were approached?
I feel there was a span where I was getting approached most nights out but since the foids are drunk it feels meaningless, none even spring to mind off the top of my head meaning none were worth remembering.
Sober circumstances are everything
The times I got approached as a bouncer still live with me but it still triggers enragement by knowing if I was a paying customer they'd be expecting me to impress them rather than them seeking my approval

Last time I got approached was a few months ago after a yoga class. This particular class was heated and sweaty and that’s a distinct pattern, girls really wanna see me hot and sweaty and looking messy. I still remember the first real IOI I ever got from a random foid was when I was walking home drenched in sweat on a really hot day, we were walking towards each other and she said hey in the really low flirty tone.

There are other patterns but the strangest one is this, the more of a mess my life was, the more IOIs and approaches I got. I went through 2 stretches (in 2016 and 2018) of being homeless and sleeping in my car for a little bit and I swear, it was like I was being fucked with. It was like I was high visibility. I would be at the gas station or store and cute girls would legit stare at me, I'd look away and they'd hold the stare. I’ll never forget the way this one stared at me and how pretty she was. I would go to a cafe for wifi and girls would sit near me and strike up a conversation about something. One time this girl gave me a blatant IOI and I fucked her that night, but I never saw her again after that. When my life improved, this slowed down massively.

Fuck I genuinely want her to suffer, no offense.
She makes a mockery of men who are trying to do everything to ascend just to get their looksmatch while already being decent looking meanwhile girls just give these manlets and subhumans a golden ticket without them having any traits that makes them worthy of it.
But I guess there is no such thing as deserving anything in the dating game, the dating game just exists to mentally torture some people and I've been believing in simulation theory more and more by the day

None taken and I'm pretty sure she'll suffer. Because she thinks that marrying a guy who's about to turn 40 and then wanting 4 kids and a custom 4 bedroom house with him is a good idea. My sister has a friend who is like this, tall and really pretty girl but insists on dumpster diving, she gave this fat Mexican guy the chance and the guy left her as a single mother. Dumpster diving really seems like a one way ticket to fuck up your life. I should mention by now that my sister is 5'7" and other girls I know, and girls I see in public with subhumans, are always on the taller side. Taller girls definitely have this "give the guy the chance" attitude, shorter girls are either more hypergamous or just normal. I have way more chemistry with them. I've always felt like taller girls don't like me at all, and the few that ever have put the game on hard mode for me, maybe manlets pass all their shit tests and get to degrade them.

I absolutely believe in something like simulation theory and among many other things that there might be this almost cosmic penalty for not taking the best you can get in this survival of the fittest life. My first girl fogged my second one, not to the point where I was dumpster diving, but instead of taking the next step and making the commitment to my first, my second came along and made things easy for me and took up all my time. And then the next year I was burnt out from too much partying and NT and moved away from that area. Almost 9 years later now and I've never even come close to the chances I had for an LTR that could've been it for me, especially with my first girl. I didn't want that at the time, and maybe it's good it didn't turn out that way, but sometimes I've felt like I'm being punished ever since. For sure what it taught me is that when someone has options, like every girl does, they won't necessarily pick the best and best looking one, they'll pick the one that's maybe the most convenient or whatever.

I think I found the location where my pheno will do the best based on the amount of looks from foids I was getting on the street there but it will still be a challenge to convert any IOIs to meetups or a relationship
It's crazy though how my pheno went from deformed/caricature (underbite with massive chin height) to within the bounds of a normal human face (still with a masc but not caricature chin) and suddenly my success in nightclubs goes to shit.

Nordic foids definitely love tall and robust guys, and they can work with shy guys who aren't the most NT, I've been to Iceland and Norway and Sweden and that was definitely my experience. But the girls were kinda one extreme or the other, either all over me (ie coming up and grinding on me in the club) or they just ignored my tourist presence entirely, so once again it was a let them come to me thing there. If I'm gonna go somewhere to approach girls, 100% it would be France. I don't know if it's my pheno, personality, the way French girls are, or what, but just about every French girl who I've ever met has been fun, funny, easy to talk to and flirty, I feel like I can hold their attention and they'll give me their time, it's exactly what my idea of talking to a girl should be.

Maybe the underbite was giving you kind of an ogreish appeal and made the girls feel degraded (in a good way) when they were being fucked by a robust but kinda caricatureish looking guy. I'd say that underbites are by far the least incelish of the jaw deformities, to even have one obviously you need a lot of bone in the face, especially the posterior maxilla and mandible which is I think by far the most important thing on a white male face.

I genuinely believe this to be the case
I wonder how much of the content online about shaming women for being hypergamous and being sluts is changing women's dating strategy, maybe not massively but it wasn't so long ago when there was pretty much zero pushback to girls being giga sluts in college since a certain percentage of men in college were benefitting from it but thanks to all these street interviews and redpill podcasters who's clips will be pushed on tiktok, foids are being bombarded 24/7 with messages about sleeping around lowering their value.

I've seen so many weird reels like that lately. I keep seeing some that demand guys go do cold approach daygame. We're entering a new era for sure.

Can you give examples of cringe shit?
I was walking with a girl after a night out recently and I made a post about how I was making her laugh to the point of snorting multiple times without having any idea what I was saying because I was drunk but I hit a moment of sudden soberness where I lost this vibe and she lost interest.
Foids absolutely despise my natural seriousness and inability to be upbeat and "playful" when sober

My first girl is a really bubbly, silly, lighthearted person. We never once had a serious or intellectual conversation. We met working at a restaurant and at that time, I was going through this phase where I was trying to be more extroverted and funny and upbeat. And it was like she was buying it 100%, she just could not get enough of me being silly. She'd come over and we'd watch silly shows or videos and I'd act them out for her. She went through my Facebook and Insta and found the most embarrassing pics and videos and liked them. We'd be walking and I'd start randomly dancing and pull her in and kiss her. Looking back on it, the level of energy that all of this took was so much more than what I normally am, but I was getting so much in return from her that I kept it going. But I felt this kinda imposter syndrome and then I met my second girl, who was way more quiet and chill and I felt so much more relaxed around her, her and her vibe just felt like a more natural fit for me. And that's how I've been ever since, I've never tried to be funny and extroverted again since my second girl and others since didn't need any of that. I don't think I'll ever be the guy that my first girl saw in me with anyone ever again.

Actually felt good to write all that, .org therapy session.

 

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I've had that question too, if once a subhuman gets lucky with one attractive girl does he start on some hot streak and start living some fantasy. But no, I've never seen anything like that. Guys my sister has dated have said things like “you’re the prettiest girl who has ever liked me” and “I don’t know why you like me, it’s usually short Latinas that do”. And I told her that that is such an insult, run away, but that just didn’t register. Because part of the appeal for the dumpster diving girls is that there’s no competition, or what competition they have they fog easily. My sister is absolutely terrified of having to compete with a girl even close to her level for a guy, I know that runs contrary to what every guy reads about and experiences, but girls like that are out there. She said about how her fiance was "single for 8 years and on Bumble and Hinge the whole time" as if that's not a giant red flag or embarrassing but just totally fine. I've also known couples where the guy dates up and ends up cheating, but he cheats with fat and ugly girls. Which makes sense if he seems them as his natural match, a break from the higher maintenance of the more attractive girl.

I was questioning if other decent looking girls might see some LTN is dating a HTB/Staceylite and think that they would fuck him if the chance came up just by virtue of wanting what a prettier girl has but maybe that only applies if the guy is of a certain level where it looks like he must have a decent life to get the girl on merit rather than it being a charity level relationship where its obvious the girl picked him so that she would have all of the power.
Good to get clarification

I've only ever known one guy, I'd rate him low MTN and he's also ethnic and short, but he always dated way the hell up... this guy was giga NT, giga low inhib, led every conversation, showered everyone he talked to with attention, completely extroverted brain chemistry. But one night his ex and I were trying to study, but she had gotten really high before we met, and she started breaking down and telling me about all this physically and mentally abusive shit that he did, and also how him and that friend group that I was kinda in talked about me basically like I'm not NT. I think back to it and maybe guys with sociopath levels of extroversion get in via that, but once the relationship begins it becomes this trap of head games and abuse that I'm not gonna be jealous of no matter what the girl looks like.

typical story of the short extrovert (also ethnic in this case) that gets way beyond what his physical genes should warrant
Honestly I think if I'm ever in a social circle again where I'm exposed to these guys I'll just beat them up in front of their social circle so they look like a bitch in order to level the playing field.
I have spoken about starting shit on the street with guys in mismatched couples in the past.
I know this is mentalcel posting but just feel like typing it out again

As far as being HTN puts you in something like looks purgatory... yes, if the main thing in a relationship is being used, Chads are of more use to hypergamous foids and low inhib LTN are more use to dumpster diving ones.

I find it interesting how women would shame a foid for having casual sex with a guy who they dont think is super hot yet there is no shame associated with foids being in relationships with utter subhumans many levels lower than themselves lookswise.
It's like how men get a bit of a slagging for dumpster diving for one night stands but still get a pass because they're not investing much into the foid but men will shame men who have a relationship with a fat ugly girl whos below their level since they dont want other men giving out commitment to low level girls. They want the bar for what a girl needs to be in order to get commitment to stay high.
The closest I seen to a foid being shamed for picking physically obscure guys for relationships was girls online asking why ariana grande wont pick a goodlooking man and always gets with goobers.

On Hinge I feel like I’m in looks purgatory, because I'm matching with girls who are top 10% in my area, so the same girls as the Chads match with. I’m in closer competition with the Chads, who have way more NT and status proof on their profile than I do, which seems really helpful in actually getting dates. But the other side of it and I’d say for a healthy and real relationship is that something like HTN or "flawed good looking" is exactly what you wanna be, since the foid feels like she’s getting a real quality guy without the pressure and jealousy of being with a Chad. How do you cross over to that other side, I think it depends on what context the girl sees you in... I disagree with the hard line looks theory “it doesn’t matter how you meet someone”. My experience is that it matters big time, because of how foids compartmentalize. If she’s in a club or online dating, meeting guys the “shopping way”, then she’s gonna play by those rules. But in social circle/work/activities she’ll get to see you regularly, make sense of you, develop a crush, build trust maybe even before you ever talk to her directly. And if a foid is satisfied with just those outlets for meeting guys, she’s not on the apps, then an HTN with the right pheno and style can easily be the best guy she has access to. So once again and the more you break it down, in person > online dating.

legit af

What that (my sister's first) did for me, because I was like 15 or 16 at the time, was make me from there on associate spam approaching and messaging, sliding into random girls’ DMs, etc. as something desperate loser guys did. “Cool guys have the girls come to them”, and when that started happening to me it was like it was confirmed, I don’t have to resort to that. But without meeting girls in a respectable way I now have to resort to OLD which I just have such a hard time sucking it the fuck up and doing it.

I wanna do daytime cold approaches. I definitely could’ve in the past. I swear it was a different reality because now, even if I was low inhib enough, I just do not see attractive girls who I’d wanna approach anymore. If I go to a store or a restaurant it will be a bunch of boomers and families with kids and maybe some MTBs in a group or something. I had a chance a few months ago to approach a girl I kinda knew, saw one of my yoga teachers at the store, but I was too high inhib. I regret not approaching. It’s really pathetic that I’m 30 and not only can’t approach girls but can’t really initiate conversation with anyone who I don't already know.

when I was younger I used to find such a wide range of foids faces attractive because I was judging them by whether I found them fuckable or not but as I've gotten older that youthful lust I had for a huge percentage of girls disappeared and I now judge them based on whether I like their face enough to settle down with them or not and the answer in the vast majority of cases is no although in a Nordic country the percentage of foids with faces I like is considerably higher

I wouldn’t approach them expecting some kind of judgment on my looks and then waiting for IOIs, that actually might be a high inhib mindset. The one time I ever really approached people - when I went to Europe - it wasn’t like “I’m gonna approach girls” it was more like I was talking to everyone. And at the hostel I approached these two French-Canadian girls (I thought they were French at first) and the one just lit up immediately, there was chemistry right away, it went from there and that was the one I slayed. So I know what it feels like when you approach the right girl. If it felt like some business meeting then forget it.

Maybe girls are so used to having creepy old men approach them or catcall them and instantly rejecting that during the day that they can’t really process it when a guy who’s more like their peer does it. And this is more of a US problem, but here there’s so many tweakers and schizos roaming the streets asking people for shit that I might worry about being confused for one of them. I’ve always felt like it’s better to wait until night time, even on Hinge I get more responses when I message after 9 or 10 pm.

I want to stick to daytime approaches because as soon as it enters nighttime and people have started drinking, all the HTNs and Chadlites are out on the street with their inhib levels lowered from alcohol so you're just playing on hard mode again with maximum competition. At least when I approached during the day I felt like I may be the only white HTN who would go out of my way to approach that particular girl in the daytime thus helping my odds and making me stand out.
On dating apps, texting a girl while she's already out drinking is good if you live in a city and can arrange to meet her in a venue or outside it

If I’m gonna approach, actually I’ll only approach girls I’m legit attracted to, because maybe if she senses some nervousness coming off of me she’ll know it’s attraction, and from there can either give me the chance or just shoo me away. Maybe randomly approaching the right girl at the right time automatically demonstrates low inhib and wakes up the “give the guy the chance” thing. And being legit attracted to her is necessary to make it more real. And ya, you have to wonder if she’s gonna give the chance to a guy who could and should be doing better than her.

I can motivate myself for approaching so much more when I'm genuinely attracted
I did a few sober approaches where I almost went on autopilot to approach when I seen them due to being attracted whereas I have to debate internally and try force myself for girls I have average attraction to

The worst that I know of is constant head games and psychological manipulation. When my sister was in the midst of her relationships with subhumans she would go into this weird mental fog. And what that came from was, she went into the relationship thinking that she could make the subhuman and his life better, but when that wasn’t happening she would feel defeated. And as soon as another girl entered the picture whatsoever she would freak out.

In 2022 she was dating this horsefaced LTN borderline incel type. This very bland looking girl liked his picture on Insta, that sent my sister into this weird jealous haze, she called me in the middle of night crying about it. Our mom lost it at her, “why the fuck can’t you just date a normal guy”.

exactly, she's gonna be faced with shit from guys that emotionally damages her regardless of the guys lookslevel in most cases so why not just put up with it and get an attractive guy that's more worth the hassle.
I'd argue she'd be more likely to find a goodlooking higher class man who can maintain a healthy relationship whereas low class uggos are destined to cause turmoil

The guy before him gave her some STD without telling her. She ignored a red flag that he might have fucked a bunch of really trashy fat girls. I spent about a year warning her about this guy, and I didn’t find out until our mom told me long after the whole thing, because my sister was convinced I would’ve went and killed the guy. They met when he approached her at some activity thing, at just the right time.

JFL
aslo the simulation is preventing me from ever meeting an attractive girl via right time right place theory

Last time I got approached was a few months ago after a yoga class. This particular class was heated and sweaty and that’s a distinct pattern, girls really wanna see me hot and sweaty and looking messy. I still remember the first real IOI I ever got from a random foid was when I was walking home drenched in sweat on a really hot day, we were walking towards each other and she said hey in the really low flirty tone.

mirin

There are other patterns but the strangest one is this, the more of a mess my life was, the more IOIs and approaches I got. I went through 2 stretches (in 2016 and 2018) of being homeless and sleeping in my car for a little bit and I swear, it was like I was being fucked with. It was like I was high visibility. I would be at the gas station or store and cute girls would legit stare at me, I'd look away and they'd hold the stare. I’ll never forget the way this one stared at me and how pretty she was. I would go to a cafe for wifi and girls would sit near me and strike up a conversation about something. One time this girl gave me a blatant IOI and I fucked her that night, but I never saw her again after that. When my life improved, this slowed down massively.

there must be something to this, when I was earning €250 per week working a dead end minimum wage job and sleeping on a matress on the floor I was slaying regulalry.
Obviously I was putting myself in the position to slay more than I had before or since but it's like girls can sense when youre at rock bottom in life success wise with no direction and reward you for it sexually.
As soon as my crypto portfolio increased to the point where I felt no need for additional money for survival and no longer have concerns about the direction of my life, my slaying went to zero

None taken and I'm pretty sure she'll suffer. Because she thinks that marrying a guy who's about to turn 40 and then wanting 4 kids and a custom 4 bedroom house with him is a good idea. My sister has a friend who is like this, tall and really pretty girl but insists on dumpster diving, she gave this fat Mexican guy the chance and the guy left her as a single mother. Dumpster diving really seems like a one way ticket to fuck up your life. I should mention by now that my sister is 5'7" and other girls I know, and girls I see in public with subhumans, are always on the taller side. Taller girls definitely have this "give the guy the chance" attitude, shorter girls are either more hypergamous or just normal. I have way more chemistry with them. I've always felt like taller girls don't like me at all, and the few that ever have put the game on hard mode for me, maybe manlets pass all their shit tests and get to degrade them.

Very legit about taller guys giving chances to less attractive guys
The girl who was left as a single mother after getting with a fat mexican got what she paid for in the metaphorical sense
How do you pick a subhuman and not expect to end up with a subhuman outcome?

Also I find it comical how these dumpster diving girls dont understand that picking a guy with worse genes will likely just make him a worse partner in all regards, even if he has money and follows her demands like a lapdog, he more than likely is just less efficient at processing the world (whether it be low sentience etc) which will simply make both of their lives more difficult when he has multiple life fuckups he cant deal in the way that a masculine, good genes man easily could.

Also how are the foids cruel enough to pass on bad genes to their potential sons?
Do they not understand that if they have a son who is exactly like their father, the chance of them finding a dumpster diving foid like themselves is miniscule and they are more than likely setting their son up for a life of incel suffering as a short LTN?
Anti-hypergamy aka foids dumpster diving for LTRs really is a reality bending concept

I know I have been willing to partially dumpster dive for a foid for an LTR but only if it's a case where the foid is fat but holds a lot in her ass and tits which I genuinely find appealing and has an objectively average face but is subjectively very attractive to me.
Meaning she may have LTB SMV but still be physically attractive in my eyes
But it's not like I have the option to select attractive girls since aspieness and being sub Chad holds me back so my dumpster diving is out of necessity rather than choice as it is for goodlooking foids

I absolutely believe in something like simulation theory and among many other things that there might be this almost cosmic penalty for not taking the best you can get in this survival of the fittest life. My first girl fogged my second one, not to the point where I was dumpster diving, but instead of taking the next step and making the commitment to my first, my second came along and made things easy for me and took up all my time. And then the next year I was burnt out from too much partying and NT and moved away from that area. Almost 9 years later now and I've never even come close to the chances I had for an LTR that could've been it for me, especially with my first girl. I didn't want that at the time, and maybe it's good it didn't turn out that way, but sometimes I've felt like I'm being punished ever since. For sure what it taught me is that when someone has options, like every girl does, they won't necessarily pick the best and best looking one, they'll pick the one that's maybe the most convenient or whatever.

Yeah I get you. I dont feel like I've met a girl who was attractive enough and into me enough whereby I've got a cosmic penalty for letting the chance pass me.

Nordic foids definitely love tall and robust guys, and they can work with shy guys who aren't the most NT, I've been to Iceland and Norway and Sweden and that was definitely my experience.

Yeah that's why I think if I find an LTR it will be with a Nordic foid
In the Shittish Isles the penalty for being non NT is so much harsher than the penalty for having every physical failo in the book meaning you dont have any competitive advantage for heightmogging a guy by 9 inches since they can outcompete you with NT
Whereas with nordic foids, if you are tall and robust they can still give you a chance if you're non NT as you said

But the girls were kinda one extreme or the other, either all over me (ie coming up and grinding on me in the club) or they just ignored my tourist presence entirely, so once again it was a let them come to me thing there. If I'm gonna go somewhere to approach girls, 100% it would be France. I don't know if it's my pheno, personality, the way French girls are, or what, but just about every French girl who I've ever met has been fun, funny, easy to talk to and flirty, I feel like I can hold their attention and they'll give me their time, it's exactly what my idea of talking to a girl should be.

Maybe the underbite was giving you kind of an ogreish appeal and made the girls feel degraded (in a good way) when they were being fucked by a robust but kinda caricatureish looking guy. I'd say that underbites are by far the least incelish of the jaw deformities, to even have one obviously you need a lot of bone in the face, especially the posterior maxilla and mandible which is I think by far the most important thing on a white male face.

Yeah I think that was the case. My underbite was fairly minor during my slaying peak due to camoflauge orthodontics (altho it looks weird seeing old pics now) so it was mild enough to allow me to slay average and below average girls, but still enough of a deformity that below average chubby girls felt comfortable with me due to me having a flaw so theyre thinking they'll get a 6'4 roided guy that hotter girls might turn down.
I was capable of kissing hot girls in clubs but never slaying them which I always put down to my underbite holding me back with legit attractive girls.
I feel having enough mandible mass really is crucial for club slaying (even if it was excessive in my case)
Funnily enough there was a full underbitecel MTN who posted to PSL years ago who claimed to slay 20 girls from tinder in a year (in america) and posted a sex tape with a cute girls where his performance was shit but she didnt seem turned off by it.
I went on a bit of a tangent there but felt like bringing that up

I've seen so many weird reels like that lately. I keep seeing some that demand guys go do cold approach daygame. We're entering a new era for sure.



My first girl is a really bubbly, silly, lighthearted person. We never once had a serious or intellectual conversation. We met working at a restaurant and at that time, I was going through this phase where I was trying to be more extroverted and funny and upbeat. And it was like she was buying it 100%, she just could not get enough of me being silly. She'd come over and we'd watch silly shows or videos and I'd act them out for her. She went through my Facebook and Insta and found the most embarrassing pics and videos and liked them. We'd be walking and I'd start randomly dancing and pull her in and kiss her. Looking back on it, the level of energy that all of this took was so much more than what I normally am, but I was getting so much in return from her that I kept it going. But I felt this kinda imposter syndrome and then I met my second girl, who was way more quiet and chill and I felt so much more relaxed around her, her and her vibe just felt like a more natural fit for me. And that's how I've been ever since, I've never tried to be funny and extroverted again since my second girl and others since didn't need any of that. I don't think I'll ever be the guy that my first girl saw in me with anyone ever again.

Actually felt good to write all that, .org therapy session.

Good post with lots of useful info

 

[Darkeningstar]

Actually felt good to write all that

More posts like these would be needed, but they should be read without prejudice

 

[forevergymcelling]

This is why I am starting to see things from the position that attempting to save whites from race mixxing as a whole is something that wont be achieved and it would actually be best of chavs just interbreed with ethnics so that they can be even more clearly distinguishable from normal whites and create their own hybrid race of subhumans that we will share zero common features with.

Anyone who has taken mdma and went from being rejected by foids to having foids gravitate to them within the same night will know what I'm saying is 100% facts.

This 100%. This was the night I realised how important behavior was. I felt like a god

 

[Malu]

I am pretty high inhib about most interactions with women in general but I can still slay most Mid to HTB and even some stacy lites and I do not consider myself to be in the 99.8th percentile. Probably around 88th percentile facially

 

[Germania]

No surprise, everything matters

 

[autistic_tendencies]

I am pretty high inhib about most interactions with women in general but I can still slay most Mid to HTB and even some stacy lites and I do not consider myself to be in the 99.8th percentile. Probably around 88th percentile facially

Rules don’t apply to chads you pinhead

 

[Richard_Hungwell]

lowIQs being extremely attractive to women cannot be understated

HighIQs are always incel nerds

It's because low IQ people are more fun to be around, let's be honest. They're way more easily amused/impressed, and still have a sense of child-like wonder. They're typically low inhib, so they just blurt out whatever stupid shit pops into their head, so they're usually very entertaining and funny. Women mainly care about being entertained by their man.

High IQ people are usually either autismmaxxed nerds with zero social skills or sense of humor that take everything too seriously...or they're a complete psychopath who thinks everything is funny, even stuff that shouldn't be. High IQ people are oftentimes very arrogant too and look down on others and may have a doomer mindset, which again makes them not too enjoyable to hang around for long. Either that, or they're paralyzed with doubt and super high inhib so they never leave their dwelling.

Most want to hang around fun, happy people...not sad sacks of shit who whine about how horrible everything is 24/7 (even if they're technically right).

 

[๕ඞChick3ncu1ry]

As someone with 103 slays while under the influence of alcohol/drugs and only one slay while sober thanks to meeting a giga whore Polish foid from an anonymous app who would've fucked me regardless even if I looked like Quasimodo, behaviour mogs looks for slaying.

If we take my 40 or so slays where I pre arranged to meet a girl from online (then drank alcohol to help me stay NT and give me the low inhib to escalate) and ponder what would've happened had I been sober for all of those meetings, maybe I would've gotten 10 slays but I doubt it would be any more than that

If we take my 50 or so slays where I showed up to a venue and brought a girl home, I would say this slay tally would be maximum 3 if I was sober for all of those nights out. There's a good chance it would be 0 but I will assume that due to being sober I'd eventually find something that works to get a foid to fuck every once in a blue moon thanks to trial and error.

You may point me to how on online dating it is basically the guys with the top 2% of profiles doing nearly all of the slaying.
Surely that means looks are the most important factor by far right?
Well if we assume that online dating neutralizes behaviour across different personality types so that there's no benefit to being an extravert over an introvert (assuming only text is used to create meetups, no facetime or NT expression snaps) then that just goes to show just how rare your looks need to be in order to compensate for not being able to demonstrate certain behaviours like is the case in real life

If online dating didn't exist and only the top 2% most attractive looking men ever had a girlfriend or sex due to foids only looking towards elite looks rather than behavior, imagine how fucked up the market and society would be.
This is utterly unfathomable because of how many LTNs you currently see on the streets with girlfriends, often MTB and even HTB.

You could say it's not only the top 2% of men lookswise who have managed to slay or get a girlfriend from online dating, but the guys below this level usually have a very NT profile showing them with friends and an exciting life (behaviour) which just goes back once again to showing behaviour trumping looks.
This is why basement selfies of goodlooking guys fail compared to the type of guy just mentioned.

When I was in college I had 6 slays from dating apps and when I spoke to the NT house party druggies who I lived with one year, out of 5 guys none of them had ever met a girl from a dating app despite all of them having tinder for years. One of them claimed 50 irl slays which was believable given he was seen as the leader and was giga NT, the rest all got foids here and there through social circle.

This is just a mild example of the discrepancy between slaying via irl compared to slaying from dating apps.
The NTs who didnt meet the looks threshold to even get one girl to meet any of them were slaying girls irl thanks to their behaviour while the 6'4 aspie HTN gymcel who had zero social circle slays met the looks threshold to fuck 6 girls from online.


Now lets push things further and ask ourselves why would an average white foid who is in a position to be with an average or above man of her own race choose to be with an ethnic who is physically and mentally ineferior to an average man of her own race?
It's because there are certain behaviours we can observe among the bottom of the barrell within the white race that overlaps with the behaviour of ethnics.
A chav white will be able to relate to the behaviour of an ethnic eons before they will ever be able to relate to the behaviour of a non subhuman white.

This is why I am starting to see things from the position that attempting to save whites from race mixxing as a whole is something that wont be achieved and it would actually be best of chavs just interbreed with ethnics so that they can be even more clearly distinguishable from normal whites and create their own hybrid race of subhumans that we will share zero common features with.

In shitty low paid jobs that young, low class foids work in, they will be surrounded by ethnics all day and because of how much they select for behaviour over looks and race, they will interbreed with these ethhnics in significant numbers.
Since ethnics see white women as the prize, they will aim to have mixed children that look like mongrel abominations.
In contrast, during the crusades, whites didn't even consider sand subhuman women to be worth raping or taking to breed with since they would produce inferior offspring so they just massacred them once they took control of their cities.

The main issue I see is white foids who could've been raised completely normally, being forced to sit in a classroom with loudmouth shitskins who soak up all of the attention in the classroom thus disrupting the natural order.
Because of the white man's nature to co operate so that everyone benefits while the ethnics nature is to use brutish tactics to disrupt others in a bid to get their own way, foids may start to think that the disruptive, race to the bottom pattern of behavior holds some merit when they see ethnics being rewarded for it because teachers are afraid to discipline little shitskin rats properly due to fear of being called racist.
There should be no fucking reason for a white female to ever be put in a room that allows them to observe this ethnic behaviour.

Low sentience behaviour, particuarly extraversion(the low sentient kind) is sought after by women far more than goodlooks with non extraverted behaviour will ever be since its a womans imperative to keep men in an animalistic non ascended state

It is female's imperative to keep males in an animalistic non ascended state

No matter how hard men try to ascend beyond the physical realm by ascending spiritually and mentally, females do everything they can to drag men back down into an animalistic state of materialism. They walk around strangers in public as close to naked as possible but without exposing the...

looksmax.org

Women believe that extraverted behaviour (which is heritable) is a greater predicter that their potential male offspring will reproduce to pass on their genes than if their potential male offspring are physically attractive but behave in a non extraverted manner


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Anyone who has taken mdma and went from being rejected by foids to having foids gravitate to them within the same night will know what I'm saying is 100% facts.
The looks threshold you need to pass to offset having no opportunity to demonstrate your behaviour is 98th percentile (online dating)
The looks threshold you need to pass to offset behaving suboptimally when you actually meet the girl irl is like 99.8th percentile

Looks theory (beyond what every human is instinctively aware of from the age of 5) is just a fantasy for aspies who never fit in and the resentment from this created the belief that they deserve to be treated by people in a manner which THEY would treat PSL Gods.
Behaviour theory's level of legitimacy is what aspies think Looks theory level of legitimacy is
While status theory is more potent than behaviour theory since you can slay with status without requiring behaviour (eg, me slaying sober thorugh bouncer game while only having one sober slay as the active pursuer of the foid) but that's a discussion for a different day

Body will speak for itself

 

[Deleted member 49341]

@ascension

 

[laaltin]

ethnics living in OP's head rentfree, did some bbc mogger take your oneitis jfl

 

[copamine]

 

[Hero of the Imperium]

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Extraversion at 0.33
"Socialsexual attitude" (prudishness or not) at 0.2

 

[Infernal]

True, literally 10 chicks in my hs class who werent attracted at me at start of hs became through years as I was literally behaving better and better because of positive reinforcements

@Whatever @6ft4 Nice chat though 6ft4 drop that hatred towards ethnics/subhumans or whatever it is, wont get you anything

Btw @Whatever if you are still in such situation where you want to approach but cant force yourself to, and approaching yourself is the best way, pm me I will try to help you, even though best advice is just go out and do it

 

[stamaster21]

lowIQs being extremely attractive to women cannot be understated

HighIQs are always incel nerds

its not iq its the looks, HIgh iq people tend to spend more time reading and studying because they lack in the looks department so they lack a social life and alot of sexual and social options.

 

[sasha777]

103 slays
Essay
No pics

Interesting

 

[Whatever]

True, literally 10 chicks in my hs class who werent attracted at me at start of hs became through years as I was literally behaving better and better because of positive reinforcements

@Whatever @6ft4 Nice chat though 6ft4 drop that hatred towards ethnics/subhumans or whatever it is, wont get you anything

Btw @Whatever if you are still in such situation where you want to approach but cant force yourself to, and approaching yourself is the best way, pm me I will try to help you, even though best advice is just go out and do it

I’ve been through similar situations. I’ve moved around a lot in life, went to different schools and worked different jobs and the pattern was always:
1. Enter new environment or life situation
2. Come out of my shell a little bit
3. Make friends (guys and girls) and get invited to stuff
4. Girls were attracted, good shit happened
5. I moved and had to start all over.

But since I’m not in anything like that now, and might not be ever again (I’m 30 now), I have to go at meeting girls on my own and that maybe that includes doing approaches. I’ll pm you boyo.

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

As someone with 103 slays while under the influence of alcohol/drugs and only one slay while sober thanks to meeting a giga whore Polish foid from an anonymous app who would've fucked me regardless even if I looked like Quasimodo, behaviour mogs looks for slaying.

If we take my 40 or so slays where I pre arranged to meet a girl from online (then drank alcohol to help me stay NT and give me the low inhib to escalate) and ponder what would've happened had I been sober for all of those meetings, maybe I would've gotten 10 slays but I doubt it would be any more than that

If we take my 50 or so slays where I showed up to a venue and brought a girl home, I would say this slay tally would be maximum 3 if I was sober for all of those nights out. There's a good chance it would be 0 but I will assume that due to being sober I'd eventually find something that works to get a foid to fuck every once in a blue moon thanks to trial and error.

You may point me to how on online dating it is basically the guys with the top 2% of profiles doing nearly all of the slaying.
Surely that means looks are the most important factor by far right?
Well if we assume that online dating neutralizes behaviour across different personality types so that there's no benefit to being an extravert over an introvert (assuming only text is used to create meetups, no facetime or NT expression snaps) then that just goes to show just how rare your looks need to be in order to compensate for not being able to demonstrate certain behaviours like is the case in real life

If online dating didn't exist and only the top 2% most attractive looking men ever had a girlfriend or sex due to foids only looking towards elite looks rather than behavior, imagine how fucked up the market and society would be.
This is utterly unfathomable because of how many LTNs you currently see on the streets with girlfriends, often MTB and even HTB.

You could say it's not only the top 2% of men lookswise who have managed to slay or get a girlfriend from online dating, but the guys below this level usually have a very NT profile showing them with friends and an exciting life (behaviour) which just goes back once again to showing behaviour trumping looks.
This is why basement selfies of goodlooking guys fail compared to the type of guy just mentioned.

When I was in college I had 6 slays from dating apps and when I spoke to the NT house party druggies who I lived with one year, out of 5 guys none of them had ever met a girl from a dating app despite all of them having tinder for years. One of them claimed 50 irl slays which was believable given he was seen as the leader and was giga NT, the rest all got foids here and there through social circle.

This is just a mild example of the discrepancy between slaying via irl compared to slaying from dating apps.
The NTs who didnt meet the looks threshold to even get one girl to meet any of them were slaying girls irl thanks to their behaviour while the 6'4 aspie HTN gymcel who had zero social circle slays met the looks threshold to fuck 6 girls from online.


Now lets push things further and ask ourselves why would an average white foid who is in a position to be with an average or above man of her own race choose to be with an ethnic who is physically and mentally ineferior to an average man of her own race?
It's because there are certain behaviours we can observe among the bottom of the barrell within the white race that overlaps with the behaviour of ethnics.
A chav white will be able to relate to the behaviour of an ethnic eons before they will ever be able to relate to the behaviour of a non subhuman white.

This is why I am starting to see things from the position that attempting to save whites from race mixxing as a whole is something that wont be achieved and it would actually be best of chavs just interbreed with ethnics so that they can be even more clearly distinguishable from normal whites and create their own hybrid race of subhumans that we will share zero common features with.

In shitty low paid jobs that young, low class foids work in, they will be surrounded by ethnics all day and because of how much they select for behaviour over looks and race, they will interbreed with these ethhnics in significant numbers.
Since ethnics see white women as the prize, they will aim to have mixed children that look like mongrel abominations.
In contrast, during the crusades, whites didn't even consider sand subhuman women to be worth raping or taking to breed with since they would produce inferior offspring so they just massacred them once they took control of their cities.

The main issue I see is white foids who could've been raised completely normally, being forced to sit in a classroom with loudmouth shitskins who soak up all of the attention in the classroom thus disrupting the natural order.
Because of the white man's nature to co operate so that everyone benefits while the ethnics nature is to use brutish tactics to disrupt others in a bid to get their own way, foids may start to think that the disruptive, race to the bottom pattern of behavior holds some merit when they see ethnics being rewarded for it because teachers are afraid to discipline little shitskin rats properly due to fear of being called racist.
There should be no fucking reason for a white female to ever be put in a room that allows them to observe this ethnic behaviour.

Low sentience behaviour, particuarly extraversion(the low sentient kind) is sought after by women far more than goodlooks with non extraverted behaviour will ever be since its a womans imperative to keep men in an animalistic non ascended state

It is female's imperative to keep males in an animalistic non ascended state

No matter how hard men try to ascend beyond the physical realm by ascending spiritually and mentally, females do everything they can to drag men back down into an animalistic state of materialism. They walk around strangers in public as close to naked as possible but without exposing the...

looksmax.org

Women believe that extraverted behaviour (which is heritable) is a greater predicter that their potential male offspring will reproduce to pass on their genes than if their potential male offspring are physically attractive but behave in a non extraverted manner


View attachment 3025075


Anyone who has taken mdma and went from being rejected by foids to having foids gravitate to them within the same night will know what I'm saying is 100% facts.
The looks threshold you need to pass to offset having no opportunity to demonstrate your behaviour is 98th percentile (online dating)
The looks threshold you need to pass to offset behaving suboptimally when you actually meet the girl irl is like 99.8th percentile

Looks theory (beyond what every human is instinctively aware of from the age of 5) is just a fantasy for aspies who never fit in and the resentment from this created the belief that they deserve to be treated by people in a manner which THEY would treat PSL Gods.
Behaviour theory's level of legitimacy is what aspies think Looks theory level of legitimacy is
While status theory is more potent than behaviour theory since you can slay with status without requiring behaviour (eg, me slaying sober thorugh bouncer game while only having one sober slay as the active pursuer of the foid) but that's a discussion for a different day

Alcohol bloats you and causes erectile dysfunction

 

[ferbite666]

No, they’re fucking, and many times the girl is the one obsessing over the guy while the guy cheats on her, abuses her, etc. I know this because my sister has a history of dating down and I’ve spent countless hours of my life counseling her about abusive relationships that she had with subhumans. Girls give themselves to subhumans, it’s one of the blackest pills there is.

This only happens in HS or in low class communities with an NT drug dealer/thug. Outside of that, attractive women aren’t getting cheated on and abused by subhumans jfl. Unless the “subhuman” in question is 6’7

 

[ferbite666]

I’ve been through similar situations. I’ve moved around a lot in life, went to different schools and worked different jobs and the pattern was always:
1. Enter new environment or life situation
2. Come out of my shell a little bit
3. Make friends (guys and girls) and get invited to stuff
4. Girls were attracted, good shit happened
5. I moved and had to start all over.

But since I’m not in anything like that now, and might not be ever again (I’m 30 now), I have to go at meeting girls on my own and that maybe that includes doing approaches. I’ll pm you boyo.

Faking NT and extroversion is way too taxing. Not sure how y’all do that tbh.

 

[Achilles]

Good thread, why are the subhuman ethnics seething in the comments though. Where is the based talk

 

[beniman]

 

[Traxanas]

extremely good thread. Niggas wonder why ugly ass black dudes get hella pussy irl, its because of behavior bruh. That shit is more than half of the game irl

behavior and numbers game

it’s all numbers at the end, it doesn’t take much to have “game” unless you wanna go as far as to manipulate

with extroverted behavior you also have to compete against other extroverts, in this case it’s also a status mog battle within large social groups to “win” girls over

it’s all meaningless imo, you guys really want to put this much effort in getting laid as much as possible?

slay quality is more validating

 

[IKnowYourStats]

Agressively pursuing girls is seen as low social-status and poor pedigree here. Only chavs and ethnics do it and it would only work on chav/ethnic women anyways.

chavs/ethnics can slay here, but it will only ever be with other ugly low social-status people.
quantity but no quality. except if the woman is some sort of severely mentally ill whore, maybe.

Truest comment in this whole retarded thread

 

[Deleted member 84469]

As someone with 103 slays while under the influence of alcohol/drugs and only one slay while sober thanks to meeting a giga whore Polish foid from an anonymous app who would've fucked me regardless even if I looked like Quasimodo, behaviour mogs looks for slaying.

If we take my 40 or so slays where I pre arranged to meet a girl from online (then drank alcohol to help me stay NT and give me the low inhib to escalate) and ponder what would've happened had I been sober for all of those meetings, maybe I would've gotten 10 slays but I doubt it would be any more than that

If we take my 50 or so slays where I showed up to a venue and brought a girl home, I would say this slay tally would be maximum 3 if I was sober for all of those nights out. There's a good chance it would be 0 but I will assume that due to being sober I'd eventually find something that works to get a foid to fuck every once in a blue moon thanks to trial and error.

You may point me to how on online dating it is basically the guys with the top 2% of profiles doing nearly all of the slaying.
Surely that means looks are the most important factor by far right?
Well if we assume that online dating neutralizes behaviour across different personality types so that there's no benefit to being an extravert over an introvert (assuming only text is used to create meetups, no facetime or NT expression snaps) then that just goes to show just how rare your looks need to be in order to compensate for not being able to demonstrate certain behaviours like is the case in real life

If online dating didn't exist and only the top 2% most attractive looking men ever had a girlfriend or sex due to foids only looking towards elite looks rather than behavior, imagine how fucked up the market and society would be.
This is utterly unfathomable because of how many LTNs you currently see on the streets with girlfriends, often MTB and even HTB.

You could say it's not only the top 2% of men lookswise who have managed to slay or get a girlfriend from online dating, but the guys below this level usually have a very NT profile showing them with friends and an exciting life (behaviour) which just goes back once again to showing behaviour trumping looks.
This is why basement selfies of goodlooking guys fail compared to the type of guy just mentioned.

When I was in college I had 6 slays from dating apps and when I spoke to the NT house party druggies who I lived with one year, out of 5 guys none of them had ever met a girl from a dating app despite all of them having tinder for years. One of them claimed 50 irl slays which was believable given he was seen as the leader and was giga NT, the rest all got foids here and there through social circle.

This is just a mild example of the discrepancy between slaying via irl compared to slaying from dating apps.
The NTs who didnt meet the looks threshold to even get one girl to meet any of them were slaying girls irl thanks to their behaviour while the 6'4 aspie HTN gymcel who had zero social circle slays met the looks threshold to fuck 6 girls from online.


Now lets push things further and ask ourselves why would an average white foid who is in a position to be with an average or above man of her own race choose to be with an ethnic who is physically and mentally ineferior to an average man of her own race?
It's because there are certain behaviours we can observe among the bottom of the barrell within the white race that overlaps with the behaviour of ethnics.
A chav white will be able to relate to the behaviour of an ethnic eons before they will ever be able to relate to the behaviour of a non subhuman white.

This is why I am starting to see things from the position that attempting to save whites from race mixxing as a whole is something that wont be achieved and it would actually be best of chavs just interbreed with ethnics so that they can be even more clearly distinguishable from normal whites and create their own hybrid race of subhumans that we will share zero common features with.

In shitty low paid jobs that young, low class foids work in, they will be surrounded by ethnics all day and because of how much they select for behaviour over looks and race, they will interbreed with these ethhnics in significant numbers.
Since ethnics see white women as the prize, they will aim to have mixed children that look like mongrel abominations.
In contrast, during the crusades, whites didn't even consider sand subhuman women to be worth raping or taking to breed with since they would produce inferior offspring so they just massacred them once they took control of their cities.

The main issue I see is white foids who could've been raised completely normally, being forced to sit in a classroom with loudmouth shitskins who soak up all of the attention in the classroom thus disrupting the natural order.
Because of the white man's nature to co operate so that everyone benefits while the ethnics nature is to use brutish tactics to disrupt others in a bid to get their own way, foids may start to think that the disruptive, race to the bottom pattern of behavior holds some merit when they see ethnics being rewarded for it because teachers are afraid to discipline little shitskin rats properly due to fear of being called racist.
There should be no fucking reason for a white female to ever be put in a room that allows them to observe this ethnic behaviour.

Low sentience behaviour, particuarly extraversion(the low sentient kind) is sought after by women far more than goodlooks with non extraverted behaviour will ever be since its a womans imperative to keep men in an animalistic non ascended state

It is female's imperative to keep males in an animalistic non ascended state

No matter how hard men try to ascend beyond the physical realm by ascending spiritually and mentally, females do everything they can to drag men back down into an animalistic state of materialism. They walk around strangers in public as close to naked as possible but without exposing the...

looksmax.org

Women believe that extraverted behaviour (which is heritable) is a greater predicter that their potential male offspring will reproduce to pass on their genes than if their potential male offspring are physically attractive but behave in a non extraverted manner


View attachment 3025075


Anyone who has taken mdma and went from being rejected by foids to having foids gravitate to them within the same night will know what I'm saying is 100% facts.
The looks threshold you need to pass to offset having no opportunity to demonstrate your behaviour is 98th percentile (online dating)
The looks threshold you need to pass to offset behaving suboptimally when you actually meet the girl irl is like 99.8th percentile

Looks theory (beyond what every human is instinctively aware of from the age of 5) is just a fantasy for aspies who never fit in and the resentment from this created the belief that they deserve to be treated by people in a manner which THEY would treat PSL Gods.
Behaviour theory's level of legitimacy is what aspies think Looks theory level of legitimacy is
While status theory is more potent than behaviour theory since you can slay with status without requiring behaviour (eg, me slaying sober thorugh bouncer game while only having one sober slay as the active pursuer of the foid) but that's a discussion for a different day

You're right behavior mogs looks because HOLY SHIT my guy you are certainly a weird ass unhinged motherfucker. If you said a fucking fraction of a percent what you say on this site, the average human would move away from you very slowly and probably call the authorities

 

[Deleted member 84469]

No, they’re fucking, and many times the girl is the one obsessing over the guy while the guy cheats on her, abuses her, etc. I know this because my sister has a history of dating down and I’ve spent countless hours of my life counseling her about abusive relationships that she had with subhumans. Girls give themselves to subhumans, it’s one of the blackest pills there is.

This means absolutely nothing because on this faggot site, any guy who is sub Barrett or sub Maher is seen as a subhuman. Even Chico who has "descended" mogs the majority of us and is still "subhuman" on this site. So sure, women "give themselves to subhumans" jfl

 

[Goth]

Seems high iq but this simply isn’t true, you’re seriously saying if you put a introverted 6 foot Damian kater (pretend he’s 6 foot) next to a extrovert subhuman ethnic. women would seriously pick the extrovert subhuman… I don’t think that makes any sense, and it goes completely against the black pill which is objectively true.

 

[Goth]

This means absolutely nothing because on this faggot site, any guy who is sub Barrett or sub Maher is seen as a subhuman. Even Chico who has "descended" mogs the majority of us and is still "subhuman" on this site. So sure, women "give themselves to subhumans" jfl

it’s honestly just wrong tbh black pill is already been proven as the truth idk what all this bullshit cope is…

 

[6ft4]

Seems high iq but this simply isn’t true, you’re seriously saying if you put a introverted 6 foot Damian kater (pretend he’s 6 foot) next to a extrovert subhuman ethnic. women would seriously pick the extrovert subhuman… I don’t think that makes any sense, and it goes completely against the black pill which is objectively true.

Typical black and white thinking autist taking the most extreme outlier to reinforce the "objectively true blackpill" except you couldn't even pick a person who exists in real life, you had to invent a hypothetical mogger
Just pick one of the guys most famous for his face on the entire internet and give him a 4 inch height boost in a bid to disprove what I'm saying theory

The average black male is by definition subhuman due to his face yet extroverted blacks who are average looking by black standards get chosen by women. Thus subhuman ethnics get chosen despite the blackpill

Also Kater is on the spectrum so it genuinely wouldn't surprise me if he was a virgin before he started making those tiktok videos, he was probably called a weirdo and bullied which made foids in school avoid him while they lost their virginities to hierarchy climbing MTNs

 

[Goth]

Typical black and white thinking autist taking the most extreme outlier to reinforce the "objectively true blackpill" except you couldn't even pick a person who exists in real life, you had to invent a hypothetical mogger
Just pick one of the guys most famous for his face on the entire internet and give him a 4 inch height boost in a bid to disprove what I'm saying theory

The average black male is by definition subhuman due to his face yet extroverted blacks who are average looking by black standards get chosen by women. Thus subhuman ethnics get chosen despite the blackpill

Also Kater is on the spectrum so it genuinely wouldn't surprise me if he was a virgin before he started making those tiktok videos, he was probably called a weirdo and bullied which made foids in school avoid him while they lost their virginities to hierarchy climbing MTNs

Doesn’t matter if I invented one there’s many real examples and they don’t even have to be a chad even a htn will be favored over a ltn regardless of wether they are extroverted or introverted. You’re wrong anyway.

And lol at calling me an autist when you wrote this whole essay and many others on an Indian incel forum

 

[Goth]

Doesn’t matter if I invented one there’s many real examples and they don’t even have to be a chad even a htn will be favored over a ltn regardless of wether they are extroverted or introverted. You’re wrong anyway.

And lol at calling me an autist when you wrote this whole essay and many others on an Indian incel forum

@Henry Rollins don’t just rep his shit posts say something you fucking pussy

 

[Whatever]

This means absolutely nothing because on this faggot site, any guy who is sub Barrett or sub Maher is seen as a subhuman. Even Chico who has "descended" mogs the majority of us and is still "subhuman" on this site. So sure, women "give themselves to subhumans" jfl

“Faggot site” that you yourself have over a thousand posts on in barely a month. And I’ve never said anything like that, you’re coming at me with shit that people who aren’t even me said.

I work backwards from reality, if I know a couple then I’ll start looking for what’s right with the guy. Including female gaze and sex appeal, money and status, etc. But even after adjusting for all of that, sometimes the guy just has nothing going for him. LMS is pretty good for looking at a guy, but when looking at how a relationship forms, you should be looking at it from the girl’s perspective of when and how the guy entered her life.

What this means is that you need to be meeting girls at opportune times in their lives (proximity pill), low LMS guys that do are not alone and not incel, higher LMS guys who don’t can be.