Being a psl authist and having surgery is not it

[lurking truecel]

If you actually want to ascend safely and without being botched. You want to play with the surgeries that are regularly performed and have a high reliability. For example with a rhinoplasty, some things are possible but not regularly performed which makes it risky. Doing a leforte 2+ and obo is not done regularly so the risk is not worth it. Even paranasal with rhino is not performed often so its risky to get a good result. Doing jaw implants is risky because not many surgeon do it and is good with it. (If it was good many good results would be out there)

Its basically just logic, the more rare the surgery the higher the botch rate as their are no data on it and recalibrating from surgeons. Sure you can allways hope and be the "test case" but is it worth it?

I think for a good and reliable ascension you want to look at before and after from common procedures and play with those as your cards on hand and do the best possible with those.

And allways know that a surgeon who doesnt have result on their website or socials is hiding something and is not proud of their result. This is not true all the time but most of the time. Thats why giant is red flag for example. Its like a good looking dude wouldn't hide behind his screen and not show himself if people asked for it, esp if it is a relevant and important situation.

But the thing is i think no guy is ugly enough that doing the normal and commonly done surgeries like fat graft, rhino, infras, maybe jaw implants, normal bimax, cantho, lower eyelid repair, bleoh, genio, genio glossus, chin implant, brow lift, braces, segmental, fme cant ascend enough

 

[monk231]

If you actually want to ascend safely and without being botched. You want to play with the surgeries that are regularly performed and have a high reliability. For example with a rhinoplasty, some things are possible but not regularly performed which makes it risky. Doing a leforte 2+ and obo is not done regularly so the risk is not worth it. Even paranasal with rhino is not performed often so its risky to get a good result. Doing jaw implants is risky because not many surgeon do it and is good with it. (If it was good many good results would be out there)

Its basically just logic, the more rare the surgery the higher the botch rate as their are no data on it and recalibrating from surgeons. Sure you can allways hope and be the "test case" but is it worth it?

I think for a good and reliable ascension you want to look at before and after from common procedures and play with those as your cards on hand and do the best possible with those.

And allways know that a surgeon who doesnt have result on their website or socials is hiding something and is not proud of their result. This is not true all the time but most of the time. Thats why giant is red flag for example. Its like a good looking dude wouldn't hide behind his screen and not show himself if people asked for it, esp if it is a relevant and important situation.

But the thing is i think no guy is ugly enough that doing the normal and commonly done surgeries like fat graft, rhino, infras, maybe jaw implants, normal bimax, cantho, lower eyelid repair, bleoh, genio, genio glossus, chin implant, brow lift, braces, segmental, fme cant ascend enough

agree but even implants are kind of a meme tbh maybe worth if you lack cm of bones

 

[lurking truecel]

agree but even implants are kind of a meme tbh maybe worth if you lack cm of bones

not really, zygo implants is one of the best out there, paranasals could work, chin is common, jaw implants depends but are more risky. infr

 

[ThePrinceOfPersia]

agree but even implants are kind of a meme tbh maybe worth if you lack cm of bones

not really, zygo implants is one of the best out there, paranasals could work, chin is common, jaw implants depends but are more risky. infr

What about infra implants? Lack them hella and it’s one of the first things I’m planning on getting, is it really that useless and should I just get filler there instead?

 

[monk231]

not really, zygo implants is one of the best out there, paranasals could work, chin is common, jaw implants depends but are more risky. infr

ye i think if you really need it inframalar>paranasal>chin (mainly because you can get better results with genio unless you need widening) > jaw implants , btw i remember you had inframalar how did it turn post swelling?

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

If you actually want to ascend safely and without being botched. You want to play with the surgeries that are regularly performed and have a high reliability. For example with a rhinoplasty, some things are possible but not regularly performed which makes it risky.

what do you mean by that?
tip refinement / narrowing & alar base width reduction or some clavicular long nose pipe-dream?

 

[Debetro]

@optimisticzoomer

 

[optimisticzoomer]

@optimisticzoomer

Not reading this paragraph by this retard I have on ignore

 

[lurking truecel]

what do you mean by that?
tip refinement / narrowing & alar base width reduction or some clavicular long nose pipe-dream?

yea if your goal is to make your nose bigger with cartillage build and make it seem longer and doing like in clavs case a totally new tip and elongation is risky. or its a surgery that needs a incredibly good surgeon and mircale to look good almost. which ofc makes it more risky and reliable

 

[william.]

not really, zygo implants is one of the best out there, paranasals could work, chin is common, jaw implants depends but are more risky. infr

saddled infra implants?

 

[lurking truecel]

What about infra implants? Lack them hella and it’s one of the first things I’m planning on getting, is it really that useless and should I just get filler there instead?

i would say for 80 procent its enough with fat grafts but it all depends ofc

 

[lurking truecel]

saddled infra implants?

not too risky

 

[monk231]

What about infra implants? Lack them hella and it’s one of the first things I’m planning on getting, is it really that useless and should I just get filler there instead?

if you want the best angularity you need implants for zygos , hard to recreate the same angularity with fillers you'll be bloated soon with constant use but you can always dissolve ofc so both options are decent depends if you are willing to get constantly touch ups with fillers or not. One thing is that implants come with much more risk and if you don't like them for any reason it will be a pain in the ass to deal with

 

[william.]

yea if your goal is to make your nose bigger with cartillage build and make it seem longer and doing like in clavs case a totally new tip and elongation is risky. or its a surgery that needs a incredibly good surgeon and mircale to look good almost. which ofc makes it more risky and reliable

so fixing a nose like this with open rhino is risky?

 

[lurking truecel]

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so fixing a nose like this with open rhino is risky?

why the hell would you want to fix a nose like this on a girl ? having a smaller nose on both men and women a plus almost allways. unless you got recessed radix

 

[ltn_looksminner]

If you actually want to ascend safely and without being botched. You want to play with the surgeries that are regularly performed and have a high reliability. For example with a rhinoplasty, some things are possible but not regularly performed which makes it risky. Doing a leforte 2+ and obo is not done regularly so the risk is not worth it. Even paranasal with rhino is not performed often so its risky to get a good result. Doing jaw implants is risky because not many surgeon do it and is good with it. (If it was good many good results would be out there)

Its basically just logic, the more rare the surgery the higher the botch rate as their are no data on it and recalibrating from surgeons. Sure you can allways hope and be the "test case" but is it worth it?

I think for a good and reliable ascension you want to look at before and after from common procedures and play with those as your cards on hand and do the best possible with those.

And allways know that a surgeon who doesnt have result on their website or socials is hiding something and is not proud of their result. This is not true all the time but most of the time. Thats why giant is red flag for example. Its like a good looking dude wouldn't hide behind his screen and not show himself if people asked for it, esp if it is a relevant and important situation.

But the thing is i think no guy is ugly enough that doing the normal and commonly done surgeries like fat graft, rhino, infras, maybe jaw implants, normal bimax, cantho, lower eyelid repair, bleoh, genio, genio glossus, chin implant, brow lift, braces, segmental, fme cant ascend enough

Valid , which btw makes older surgeons better than younger ones

 

[ltn_looksminner]

What’s your opinion on eye color depigmentation with laser

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

If you actually want to ascend safely and without being botched. You want to play with the surgeries that are regularly performed and have a high reliability. For example with a rhinoplasty, some things are possible but not regularly performed which makes it risky. Doing a leforte 2+ and obo is not done regularly so the risk is not worth it. Even paranasal with rhino is not performed often so its risky to get a good result. Doing jaw implants is risky because not many surgeon do it and is good with it. (If it was good many good results would be out there)

Its basically just logic, the more rare the surgery the higher the botch rate as their are no data on it and recalibrating from surgeons. Sure you can allways hope and be the "test case" but is it worth it?

I think for a good and reliable ascension you want to look at before and after from common procedures and play with those as your cards on hand and do the best possible with those.

And allways know that a surgeon who doesnt have result on their website or socials is hiding something and is not proud of their result. This is not true all the time but most of the time. Thats why giant is red flag for example. Its like a good looking dude wouldn't hide behind his screen and not show himself if people asked for it, esp if it is a relevant and important situation.

But the thing is i think no guy is ugly enough that doing the normal and commonly done surgeries like fat graft, rhino, infras, maybe jaw implants, normal bimax, cantho, lower eyelid repair, bleoh, genio, genio glossus, chin implant, brow lift, braces, segmental, fme cant ascend enough

Or just get fillers. If your problems are shit like narrow jaw, raccsed chin, flat midface, bad temples, bad foread fillers can help.

 

[lurking truecel]

Or just get fillers. If your problems are shit like narrow jaw, raccsed chin, flat midface, bad temples, bad foread fillers can help.

Yea something like that could help shortterm for sure

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

Yea something like that could help shortterm for sure

If u get botched u can just dissolve them and redo it. When with surgery there's no going back and your fucked for ever

 

[monk231]

If u get botched u can just dissolve them and redo it. When with surgery there's no going back and your fucked for ever

Ye def go for fillers route if you don't need a lot of mass. Also i don't know if i would still like an implant inside my face when i'm 50 or something all i care about is looking the best during my prime

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

Ye def go for fillers route if you don't need a lot of mass. Also i don't know if i would still like an implant inside my face when i'm 50 or something all i care about is looking the best during my prime

This.

 

[lurking truecel]

If u get botched u can just dissolve them and redo it. When with surgery there's no going back and your fucked for ever

Ye def go for fillers route if you don't need a lot of mass. Also i don't know if i would still like an implant inside my face when i'm 50 or something all i care about is looking the best during my prime

Fillers look bad within 10 years and is not dissolvable for most part. Sure small enhancements can be done. But then you probably dont need it at all

 

[monk231]

Fillers look bad within 10 years and is not dissolvable for most part. Sure small enhancements can be done. But then you probably dont need it at all

I mean ye i agree with hyaluronic acid there can be some build up with time but you can still dissolve >90% at least with ultra sound guided hyaluronidase if not more so it won't look bad at all unless you sagged your skin with dozens of ml of fillers each time before which makes you an actual candidate to implants in that case , another great option is radiesse on bone this will actually always dissolves 100% of the times naturally it's only risky because you can't dissolve it manually like ha if you get botched and lasts 1-2 years

 

[william.]

why the hell would you want to fix a nose like this on a girl ? having a smaller nose on both men and women a plus almost allways. unless you got recessed radix

on a man, it was jus an example.

yes a recessed radix, nasal bridge and a upturned base. probably with bone grafting or implant.
is that risky?

 

[lurking truecel]

on a man, it was jus an example.

yes a recessed radix, nasal bridge and a upturned base. probably with bone grafting or implant.
is that risky?

Yea, and even on a man this nose would be pretty decent

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

Fillers look bad within 10 years and is not dissolvable for most part. Sure small enhancements can be done. But then you probably dont need it at all

No they wont

 

[lurking truecel]

No they wont

Depends on the area, ypu def dont want fillers in the submental region or infra region migrate so you irreversible and lifetime bloated

 

[william.]

Yea, and even on a man this nose would be pretty decent

looks pretty shit on men imo


but it would worsen after lefort 1 too, so that kinda nose with more recession?

 

[LEFORT17]

If you actually want to ascend safely and without being botched. You want to play with the surgeries that are regularly performed and have a high reliability. For example with a rhinoplasty, some things are possible but not regularly performed which makes it risky. Doing a leforte 2+ and obo is not done regularly so the risk is not worth it. Even paranasal with rhino is not performed often so its risky to get a good result. Doing jaw implants is risky because not many surgeon do it and is good with it. (If it was good many good results would be out there)

Its basically just logic, the more rare the surgery the higher the botch rate as their are no data on it and recalibrating from surgeons. Sure you can allways hope and be the "test case" but is it worth it?

I think for a good and reliable ascension you want to look at before and after from common procedures and play with those as your cards on hand and do the best possible with those.

And allways know that a surgeon who doesnt have result on their website or socials is hiding something and is not proud of their result. This is not true all the time but most of the time. Thats why giant is red flag for example. Its like a good looking dude wouldn't hide behind his screen and not show himself if people asked for it, esp if it is a relevant and important situation.

But the thing is i think no guy is ugly enough that doing the normal and commonly done surgeries like fat graft, rhino, infras, maybe jaw implants, normal bimax, cantho, lower eyelid repair, bleoh, genio, genio glossus, chin implant, brow lift, braces, segmental, fme cant ascend enough

everything based except the marketing/posting results online.

 

[lurking truecel]

everything based except the marketing/posting results online.

I mean maybe not true for bimax surgeries as its medical procedure

 

[LEFORT17]

I mean maybe not true for bimax surgeries as its medical procedure

yeah it probably also depends in which country the surgeon is /law/privacy. mine does lf2-3, obo,... to cantho, rhino and still only posts ct or crazy covered pics where u can see 10% of the face

 

[LEFORT17]

yeah it probably also depends in which country the surgeon is /law/privacy. mine does lf2-3, obo,... to cantho, rhino and still only posts ct or crazy covered pics where u can see 10% of the face

his instagram is dead too, no posts nothing. gives me pagnoni vibes lowkey

 

[lurking truecel]

yeah it probably also depends in which country the surgeon is /law/privacy. mine does lf2-3, obo,... to cantho, rhino and still only posts ct or crazy covered pics where u can see 10% of the face

Hope its not steinbacher

 

[LEFORT17]

Hope its not steinbacher

xd not gonna travel across the world for a 100k bimax which will fuck me up

 

[AustrianMogger]

Gambeling is best.

Life is a gamlbe.
Life is short.
I have like 5 years left.
I would gamble everything to have 2 good last years no more no less

 

[adarsh arya]

Gambeling is best.

Life is a gamlbe.
Life is short.
I have like 5 years left.
I would gamble everything to have 2 good last years no more no less

5 years left ? Nigga u got cancer ow what

 

[AustrianMogger]

5 years left ? Nigga u got cancer ow what

Old age my friend old age.
As an oldcel i can not be risk averse.
Beeing risk shy is for 14 year olds.
Oldcels like me need to take risk but then again i lost 10 iq points by reading this thread
@lurking truecel you now belive doing cartilage and bone grafts to nose is dangerous?
JFL at you.
They do with every rhino in asia and even in europe it isnt uncommon.
Just go to a decent surgeon and not some turkish baffon and easy win.
Paranasal implants have been done by pagnoni and ramieri.
Also saying surgery is permenant is such a cope. If you really get an unpleasent result you can either go to an other surgeon for revision or stay with your surgeon.
You have done trimax and implants with ramieri yet you act like a 13 year old bluepill highschooler

 

[lurking truecel]

Old age my friend old age.
As an oldcel i can not be risk averse.
Beeing risk shy is for 14 year olds.
Oldcels like me need to take risk but then again i lost 10 iq points by reading this thread
@lurking truecel you now belive doing cartilage and bone grafts to nose is dangerous?
JFL at you.
They do with every rhino in asia and even in europe it isnt uncommon.
Just go to a decent surgeon and not some turkish baffon and easy win.
Paranasal implants have been done by pagnoni and ramieri.
Also saying surgery is permenant is such a cope. If you really get an unpleasent result you can either go to an other surgeon for revision or stay with your surgeon.
You have done trimax and implants with ramieri yet you act like a 13 year old bluepill highschooler

Yea doing some grafts is common, but rebuilding a nose and radix is retarded. Like if clav would make his nose less upturned. It would take a really skilled surgeon to basically rebuild the tip because its not a general procedure.

And also you havent done a surgery yet and still you talking like you done all of it. Do the walk and then talk. Its eazy to be a edgey little cuck piller without having any kind of surgery experience.

And i am not saying you shouldn't do it, but you are gambling then. And aure some win so go ahead. I couldnt give two jack shits if someone does obo or leforte 2 or whatever they want. I am happy if i can see the result. But for me ita too high of a risk

 

[AustrianMogger]

Yea doing some grafts is common, but rebuilding a nose and radix is retarded. Like if clav would make his nose less upturned. It would take a really skilled surgeon to basically rebuild the tip because its not a general procedure.

And also you havent done a surgery yet and still you talking like you done all of it. Do the walk and then talk. Its eazy to be a edgey little cuck piller without having any kind of surgery experience.

And i am not saying you shouldn't do it, but you are gambling then. And aure some win so go ahead. I couldnt give two jack shits if someone does obo or leforte 2 or whatever they want. I am happy if i can see the result. But for me ita too high of a risk

I am talking about rhino man.
Not obo or lefort 2
But paranasals or autografts are done regularly.
Not sure what this has to do with clav but yes i will talk to some rhino surgeons soon. Marinietti for sure can do all these things flawlessly but 2 years waiting time damn.

 

[lurking truecel]

I am talking about rhino man.
Not obo or lefort 2
But paranasals or autografts are done regularly.
Not sure what this has to do with clav but yes i will talk to some rhino surgeons soon. Marinietti for sure can do all these things flawlessly but 2 years waiting time damn.

I mean buililding up the bridge and radix slightly is no problem, but if you have a small nose wanting to make it bigger like some peeps want then we have a problem. Its like you just got bogdanoff in turkey and got a piggy nose and now you want a manly nose. That is the problem. Not just adding slight on the ridge.

 

[AustrianMogger]

I mean buililding up the bridge and radix slightly is no problem, but if you have a small nose wanting to make it bigger like some peeps want then we have a problem. Its like you just got bogdanoff in turkey and got a piggy nose and now you want a manly nose. That is the problem. Not just adding slight on the ridge.

but even this. Good rhino surgeons like Raffiani, marinietti can easily do

 

[lurking truecel]

but even this. Good rhino surgeons like Raffiani, marinietti can easily do

I dont think raffaini could, he is mainly doing conservative rhinos. Not adding much

 

[AustrianMogger]

I dont think raffaini could, he is mainly doing conservative rhinos. Not adding much

 

[svarddre]

I just need a good paranasal and jaw implant combo and I’ll be happy enough

 

[lurking truecel]

Just rotation and leforte 1 also if you put a incision between the nostril wings and drag them together you can both add slight height and also narrow the nose from the front

 

[flippasav]

It’s funny how I hate psl autists but I am actually one myself lol

 

[lurking truecel]

It’s funny how I hate psl autists but I am actually one myself lol

I like psl but i dont like when people lose the most important part about looks which is intituion. You go with intuition and then try to explain it with psl theory. Not go with psl authism and ignore reality

 

[Lefor3Laser]

If you actually want to ascend safely and without being botched. You want to play with the surgeries that are regularly performed and have a high reliability. For example with a rhinoplasty, some things are possible but not regularly performed which makes it risky. Doing a leforte 2+ and obo is not done regularly so the risk is not worth it. Even paranasal with rhino is not performed often so its risky to get a good result. Doing jaw implants is risky because not many surgeon do it and is good with it. (If it was good many good results would be out there)

Its basically just logic, the more rare the surgery the higher the botch rate as their are no data on it and recalibrating from surgeons. Sure you can allways hope and be the "test case" but is it worth it?

I think for a good and reliable ascension you want to look at before and after from common procedures and play with those as your cards on hand and do the best possible with those.

And allways know that a surgeon who doesnt have result on their website or socials is hiding something and is not proud of their result. This is not true all the time but most of the time. Thats why giant is red flag for example. Its like a good looking dude wouldn't hide behind his screen and not show himself if people asked for it, esp if it is a relevant and important situation.

But the thing is i think no guy is ugly enough that doing the normal and commonly done surgeries like fat graft, rhino, infras, maybe jaw implants, normal bimax, cantho, lower eyelid repair, bleoh, genio, genio glossus, chin implant, brow lift, braces, segmental, fme cant ascend enough

The good results usually aren't on the internet to see.

Yes easier and more performed procedures have a higher level of success, but take into consideration that anything could still happen, even if it is performed 1000 times, there's no surgeon without botches, the one's who don't have any should not be trusted or they just started (this excludes the requests of patients).

For a reliable ascension, you need to forget your goals you want to reach most of the times since many of them are not possible and risky (bad ROI and many more), go for something realistic and conservative and always take in mind that a botch is possible, even if it's a tooth extraction, bone graft or anything like that.

About giant, the red flag about him is that he calls himself perfect, a good surgeon/designer doesn't call himself the best of the best and also talks about risks and his past botches (depends on how many botches) , this is also a surgeon you can trust.

The key is to just ascend few things and don't think about the rest, know when to stop and always do semi conservative moves, a failed expectation is better than a botched face wich can't be fixed anymore.

Also welcome back lurkingcel

 

[Lefor3Laser]

not really, zygo implants is one of the best out there, paranasals could work, chin is common, jaw implants depends but are more risky. infr

For jaw you just need small implants actually, if you look at any CT, they don't have extremely flared gonions, just a bit flared, then the muscles aka masseters play the big part.