Being ugly/fat/social outcast as a child is the worst failo and it cannot be saved by ascension

[Deleted member 39427]

The effects of this are so detrimental to your self esteem and self image during a critical period of cognitive development, it will likely leave you with self image issues for your whole childhood and basically will effect you for your whole life.

You would need a massive ascension and have to get constant positive feedback loops to sustain good self esteem, and even that may not be enough, and its also much harder to make yourself ascend because your world view will be more blackpilled and you will have little motivation

Ive observed this with a few of my friends and others in my school. People that were fat when they were kids, and are now good looking are always conscious of what they look like. Rough.

 

[DarkLoner94]

damnn brutal

 

[Deleted member 39427]

damnn brutal

Yuh

 

[GabachoCopium]

i was popular in pre school i fell off afterwards

 

[Deleted member 39427]

i was popular in pre school i fell off afterwards

What age is preschool?

 

[GabachoCopium]

What age is preschool?

i have no idea, i was never in pre school

 

[Slayer]

it's like the critical period hypothesis for language learning. miss out on it and you become a cripple for life.

 

[Deleted member 39427]

it's like the critical period hypothesis for language learning. miss out on it and you become a cripple for life.

Critical period hypothesis is a thing for pretty every aspect of development

Ages 0-5 and puberty are the periods where your body and mind are most sensitive to external changes. If it goes wrong in both of those periods is basically over. But the period with the greatest effect is ages 0-5, however i would say that anythint up to like age 10/11 can have massive effects on your social interaction. So brutal

 

[Slayer]

Critical period hypothesis is a thing for pretty every aspect of development

Ages 0-5 and puberty are the periods where your body and mind are most sensitive to external changes. If it goes wrong in both of those periods is basically over. But the period with the greatest effect is ages 0-5, however i would say that anythint up to like age 10/11 can have massive effects on your social interaction. So brutal

and you have so little direct control over it. you're barely an autonomous human at those ages

 

[Deleted member 39427]

and you have so little direct control over it. you're barely an autonomous human at those ages

Yep. So brutal your life is pretty much decided by the time youre 10, unless you have great motivation and power of will

 

[Saint Casanova]

Meanwhile Hernan Drago, Gandy and Cavil were obese and it turned out well for them.

If you know you’re good looking, which you will if you’re blackpilled, you’ll be fine. You might even be narcy like Crisick jfl

 

[Deleted member 39427]

Meanwhile Hernan Drago, Gandy and Cavil were obese and it turned out well for them.

If you know you’re good looking, which you will if you’re blackpilled, you’ll be fine. You might even be narcy like Crisick jfl

They have insane positive feedback loops from being called good looking all the time, and gandy still has insecurities about his nose and ears, dk about drago or cavil

Crisick is only narcy because hes been surrounded by these forums for years, in real life i doubt hes very narcy

 

[DelonLover1999]

Critical period hypothesis is a thing for pretty every aspect of development

Ages 0-5 and puberty are the periods where your body and mind are most sensitive to external changes. If it goes wrong in both of those periods is basically over. But the period with the greatest effect is ages 0-5, however i would say that anythint up to like age 10/11 can have massive effects on your social interaction. So brutal

Both of these periods were good for me but I still became somewhat antisocial after 17ish

brutal

 

[Saint Casanova]

They have insane positive feedback loops from being called good looking all the time, and gandy still has insecurities about his nose and ears, dk about drago or cavil

Crisick is only narcy because hes been surrounded by these forums for years, in real life i doubt hes very narcy

I mean I don’t even remember most things that happened before 8 jfl. Maybe constant abuse will fuck you up but not teasing for example.

 

[fuckingtheuniverse]

Water thread
Literally abused dog syndrome

 

[Deleted member 39427]

I mean I don’t even remember most things that happened before 8 jfl. Maybe constant abuse will fuck you up but not teasing for example.

I mean I don’t even remember most things that happened before 8 jfl. Maybe constant abuse will fuck you up but not teasing for example.

Teasing really will fuck you up. You dont remember it but it massively effected your cognitive development

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6542665/#:~:text=Results%20revealed%20that%20compared%20with,et%20al.%2C%202016).

Heres a study on Monozygotic twins (this genetic influence is controlled) where one was bullied and one wasnt (idk how jfl)

Bullied twin is twice as likely to have Social anxiety and seperation anxiety, and 3 times more likely to be suicidal

 

[Deleted member 39427]

@MaestheticMaso

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4939844/

Sorry, this was the exact study i was referencinf

 

[Deleted member 39427]

Both of these periods were good for me but I still became somewhat antisocial after 17ish

brutal

i had the same thing when i got fat when i was like 12 but id argue that people that were good during these periods have a better capability to escape the cage of being antisocial than those who lived bad lives during that time.

Im gonna guess youre 24 from ur username, theres still time to ascend and get back to where you were, but it will take time to regain your confidence

 

[Saint Casanova]

Teasing really will fuck you up. You dont remember it but it massively effected your cognitive development

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6542665/#:~:text=Results%20revealed%20that%20compared%20with,et%20al.%2C%202016).

Heres a study on Monozygotic twins (this genetic influence is controlled) where one was bullied and one wasnt (idk how jfl)

Bullied twin is twice as likely to have Social anxiety and seperation anxiety, and 3 times more likely to be suicidal

- By teasing I mean more like Banter between friends JFL not really bullying. If that’s the case, it’s over for most. I think for the most part, you wouldn’t be bullied when you’re that young unless you’re really a truecel.

- I’ve skimmed through the study, but one thing I’ll note is that this may be a case of causation and correlation. Typically those who are bullied are often uglier, weaker, less successful ect and this continues throughout life. This is why they may have mental issues rather than the actual fact that bullying caused it. Not saying that bullying doesn’t exacerbate it though.

Most obese losers don’t turn into a multimillionaire 6’3 model like Gandy did.

 

[GnosticDemiurge]

I mean I don’t even remember most things that happened before 8 jfl. Maybe constant abuse will fuck you up but not teasing for example.

Oftentimes they won't tease you but you can tell that they view you as an outsider. That is the worst feeling imo, when you know you are one of the lowest rungs in the friend group. Also follow me back bhai.

 

[Deleted member 39427]

- By teasing I mean more like Banter between friends JFL not really bullying. If that’s the case, it’s over for most. I think for the most part, you wouldn’t be bullied when you’re that young unless you’re really a truecel.

- I’ve skimmed through the study, but one thing I’ll note is that this may be a case of causation and correlation. Typically those who are bullied are often uglier, weaker, less successful ect and this continues throughout life. This is why they may have mental issues rather than the actual fact that bullying caused it. Not saying that bullying doesn’t exacerbate it though.

Most obese losers don’t turn into a multimillionaire 6’3 model like Gandy did.

Yeah but Gandy is an exception to this rule due to how insanely successful and good looking he is.

Your point about them being uglier/weaker/less succesful i disagree with, because, as the study i linked (not that one, the other one, that one was a meta analysis) was done with MZ twins (they look the same, live very similar lives at home, same muscle development, same IQ etc)

Likely the bullying caused the socioeconomic problems and not the socioeconomic problems caused mental illness. This is generally accepted by Psychologists and other scientists

 

[DarkLoner94]

Teasing really will fuck you up. You dont remember it but it massively effected your cognitive development

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6542665/#:~:text=Results%20revealed%20that%20compared%20with,et%20al.%2C%202016).

Heres a study on Monozygotic twins (this genetic influence is controlled) where one was bullied and one wasnt (idk how jfl)

Bullied twin is twice as likely to have Social anxiety and seperation anxiety, and 3 times more likely to be suicidal

Damnn man

 

[GnosticDemiurge]

Yeah but Gandy is an exception to this rule due to how insanely successful and good looking he is.

Your point about them being uglier/weaker/less succesful i disagree with, because, as the study i linked (not that one, the other one, that one was a meta analysis) was done with MZ twins (they look the same, live very similar lives at home, same muscle development, same IQ etc)

Likely the bullying caused the socioeconomic problems and not the socioeconomic problems caused mental illness. This is generally accepted by Psychologists and other scientists

Brutal. Worst part about the constant bullying and negative reinforcement is that it literally warps your brain. You start to become suspicious of even minor victories in life. Every interaction is viewed under a microscope. Once you are in a negative Matthew effect loop it is very hard to break out of that mental trap.

 

[Deleted member 39427]

Brutal. Worst part about the constant bullying and negative reinforcement is that it literally warps your brain. You start to become suspicious of even minor victories in life. Every interaction is viewed under a microscope. Once you are in a negative Matthew effect loop it is very hard to break out of that mental trap.

Absolutely.

 

[Saint Casanova]

Yeah but Gandy is an exception to this rule due to how insanely successful and good looking he is.

Your point about them being uglier/weaker/less succesful i disagree with, because, as the study i linked (not that one, the other one, that one was a meta analysis) was done with MZ twins (they look the same, live very similar lives at home, same muscle development, same IQ etc)

Likely the bullying caused the socioeconomic problems and not the socioeconomic problems caused mental illness. This is generally accepted by Psychologists and other scientists

If that were the case, why are so many bullied nerds in Silicon Valley making millions ? Extreme example but it’s not the only factor and probably quite low on the importance scale in terms of success.

It does make a difference as shown in the study, but the increase in these unwanted traits are not as dramatic as you make it out to seem.

 

[Deleted member 39427]

If that were the case, why are so many bullied nerds in Silicon Valley making millions ? Extreme example but it’s not the only factor and probably quite low on the importance scale in terms of success.

It does make a difference as shown in the study, but the increase in these unwanted traits are not as dramatic as you make it out to seem.

Likely an overwhelming need to prove to themself and others that theyre good enough, because a lifetime of inadequacy, if you have the will and motivation, can make you more driven than those who have always lived comfortable lives

Wanting to prove to your old bullies/those who bellitled you that youre better than them can be a massive driver for success, they likely still have massive self esteem and image issue, but make up for it in money.

 

[Deleted member 39427]

If that were the case, why are so many bullied nerds in Silicon Valley making millions ? Extreme example but it’s not the only factor and probably quite low on the importance scale in terms of success.

It does make a difference as shown in the study, but the increase in these unwanted traits are not as dramatic as you make it out to seem.

Why Highly Successful People Struggle With Low Self-Worth (and How You Can Reclaim Your Self-Worth)

Low self-esteem or low self-worth don’t have to be barriers to success. In this guest post, Jamie Daniel-Far

psychcentral.com

Heres an article about low self esteem in high achievers

 

[Saint Casanova]

Likely an overwhelming need to prove to themself and others that theyre good enough, because a lifetime of inadequacy, if you have the will and motivation, can make you more driven than those who have always lived comfortable lives

Wanting to prove to your old bullies/those who bellitled you that youre better than them can be a massive driver for success, they likely still have massive self esteem and image issue, but make up for it in money.

Likely an overwhelming need to prove to themself and others that theyre good enough, because a lifetime of inadequacy, if you have the will and motivation, can make you more driven than those who have always lived comfortable lives

Wanting to prove to your old bullies/those who bellitled you that youre better than them can be a massive driver for success, they likely still have massive self esteem and image issue, but make up for it in money.

Described most looksmaxxers here jfl. This is why you keep hearing mog this, mog that in these spheres. It’s more about showing superiority over others rather than just finding a gf.

 

[Deleted member 39427]

Described most looksmaxxers here jfl. This is why you keep hearing mog this, mog that in these spheres. It’s more about showing superiority over others rather than just finding a gf.

Yeah pretty much, its also why people like crisick turn narcy. After finally getting his surgery he thinks hes so much better than everyone else on the forum and when he didnt do anything that required any amount of skill and now hes an asshole

 

[Saint Casanova]

Why Highly Successful People Struggle With Low Self-Worth (and How You Can Reclaim Your Self-Worth)

Low self-esteem or low self-worth don’t have to be barriers to success. In this guest post, Jamie Daniel-Far

psychcentral.com

Heres an article about low self esteem in high achievers

There was a point that someone made which sounded interesting.

Apparently the right amount of trauma as a kid leads to a very ambitious and driven mindset. What do you think about that ?

 

[GnosticDemiurge]

Described most looksmaxxers here jfl. This is why you keep hearing mog this, mog that in these spheres. It’s more about showing superiority over others rather than just finding a gf.

Exactly. It's sad really. Once you reach a certain level of understanding about how much genetics and environment can fuck someone up its hard to be mad at them. I've learned to start letting go of my anger and hate imo. No point pushing that onto others who are also struggling. We should be working together.

 

[GnosticDemiurge]

There was a point that someone made which sounded interesting.

Apparently the right amount of trauma as a kid leads to a very ambitious and driven mindset. What do you think about that ?

Makes sense. Too much trauma can make you a complete mentalcel while too much good life can make you a complacent beta. Ideally you should have to struggle hard and be reasonably rewarded for it. Leads to good self-esteem and outcomes.

 

[Saint Casanova]

Exactly. It's sad really. Once you reach a certain level of understanding about how much genetics and environment can fuck someone up its hard to be mad at them. I've learned to start letting go of my anger and hate imo. No point pushing that onto others who are also struggling. We should be working together.

The worst are the liars like Salludon or Shami who mewed their way into a new skull. Fake natties of PSL

 

[GnosticDemiurge]

The worst are the liars like Salludon or Shami who mewed their way into a new skull. Fake natties of PSL

Idk about Salludon but I thought Shami was legit ascension. Both already had good baseline tbh and used angles to make themselves look worse in the beginning imo. Did Shami surgerymaxx?

 

[Deleted member 39427]

There was a point that someone made which sounded interesting.

Apparently the right amount of trauma as a kid leads to a very ambitious and driven mindset. What do you think about that ?

Id say thats right to an extent as too much bullying/trauma will probably just lead to shutting down and suicide, but i also think genetics, role models, home life, and the nature of the trauma are all big determiners of how you get here

For example if your parents always call you worthless, you would probably want to become super successful, rub it in their face and never speak to them again out of spite.

If you are called fat by your peers/bullied for being ugly, and your role models are fat league of legends streamers, you will likely never stop being a fat/ugly.

There is also likely a genetic element/epigenetic element, if your lineage is successful, you will probably be more driven to be successful, and you will also be reinforced to believe that you can be successful when you see the people around you,

And vice versa for those who are in poor/unsuccessful lineage. This is probably why its so so so rare to see a black person from poor areas in america becoming succesful in any field which isnt sport or rapping. Slavery probably had epigenetic effects which still effect them today, possibly making them feel inadequate to be successful/a leader, and also their role models/family members are likely hopeless in terms of escaping their financial situation, and this will rub on to the children, likely through some form of social learning theory.

So yeah theres alot of variable, it depends who you are, the nature of the trauma, your environment, and genetics

 

[Deleted member 21628]

keep sobbing

 

[Clown Show]

To this day, I experience the negative effects of bullying that I got when I was a kid. I made some significant improvements in my life, I looksmaxxed, I increased my status, I received positive reinforcement and I do indeed feel better than before but it's still a long way to go.

I can think of one solution to problems of bullying, but I don't think that it's smart to write about it publicly, if you know what I mean.

I also blame modERn society for amplifying the consequences of bullying. In nature, if someone inflicted some suffERing to you, there wouldn't be any cucked laws that would prevent you from responding naturally to the threat of your well being. In nature, someone bullies you, you naturally take mattERs into your own hands, there is no clown legal system to stop you, and you get some peace of mind aftER you do what has to be done.

 

[Deleted member 39427]

To this day, I experience the negative effects of bullying that I got when I was a kid. I made some significant improvements in my life, I looksmaxxed, I increased my status, I received positive reinforcement and I do indeed feel better than before but it's still a long way to go.

I can think of one solution to problems of bullying, but I don't think that it's smart to write about it publicly, if you know what I mean.

I also blame modERn society for amplifying the consequences of bullying. In nature, if someone inflicted some suffERing to you, there wouldn't be any cucked laws that would prevent you from responding naturally to the threat of your well being. In nature, someone bullies you, you naturally take mattERs into your own hands, there is no clown legal system to stop you, and you get some peace of mind aftER you do what has to be done.

I wondER what you meant

Jokes aside though i dont think you should kill someone for bullying you, thats just a manifestation of their own feelings of inadequacy, i get beating them up but going ER on a bully would be mentalcel tier

 

[JosefMengelecel]

The effects of this are so detrimental to your self esteem and self image during a critical period of cognitive development, it will likely leave you with self image issues for your whole childhood and basically will effect you for your whole life.

You would need a massive ascension and have to get constant positive feedback loops to sustain good self esteem, and even that may not be enough, and its also much harder to make yourself ascend because your world view will be more blackpilled and you will have little motivation

Ive observed this with a few of my friends and others in my school. People that were fat when they were kids, and are now good looking are always conscious of what they look like. Rough.

ugly? no, some normies are ugly
fat? no, some normies are fat fucks
social outcast? absolutely, if you are a social outcast during most important years then you somehow make a few friends or become better looking it won't matter, your mind has been permanently altered forever

 

[DelonLover1999]

i had the same thing when i got fat when i was like 12 but id argue that people that were good during these periods have a better capability to escape the cage of being antisocial than those who lived bad lives during that time.

Im gonna guess youre 24 from ur username, theres still time to ascend and get back to where you were, but it will take time to regain your confidence

i’m 21 actually

I don’t think I’ll ever get back to where I was, since I have changed significantly personality wise and not all of it was for the worse

looks aren’t the main thing bottlenecking me rn, at least not social circle wise (mental state and other factors). I still wanna ascend close to 100% potential, but that’s more for my sake than anything ig

thanks for the words tho, reassuring if anything

 

[Napoleon1800]

The effects of this are so detrimental to your self esteem and self image during a critical period of cognitive development, it will likely leave you with self image issues for your whole childhood and basically will effect you for your whole life.

You would need a massive ascension and have to get constant positive feedback loops to sustain good self esteem, and even that may not be enough, and its also much harder to make yourself ascend because your world view will be more blackpilled and you will have little motivation

Ive observed this with a few of my friends and others in my school. People that were fat when they were kids, and are now good looking are always conscious of what they look like. Rough.

Literally me. Skinny ugly and deformed so therefore became social outcast during high-school and became non nt. Lost my neurotypicality and developed anxiety issues and self hatred. Basically abused dog syndrome. You need gandy level Ascension to escape it

 

[Deleted member 39427]

ugly? no, some normies are ugly
fat? no, some normies are fat fucks
social outcast? absolutely, if you are a social outcast during most important years then you somehow make a few friends or become better looking it won't matter, your mind has been permanently altered forever

if you were ugly/fat, and you were picked on for being ugly/fat

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Just stop being a little bitch and don’t look back , fuck your past
Forward is now
Hahahahhhahha pussies I was bullied so hard feel pity for me please
Hahahab fuck yuu

 

[Deleted member 39427]

Just stop being a little bitch and don’t look back , fuck your past
Forward is now
Hahahahhhahha pussies I was bullied so hard feel pity for me please
Hahahab fuck yuu

Who is this comment aimed towards?

 

[nigtard]

I still have extreme anxiety because of the abused dog I was 5 years ago.Mentally I’m so pessimistic that I single handedly ruined my own life for no reason

 

[klip11]

The effects of this are so detrimental to your self esteem and self image during a critical period of cognitive development, it will likely leave you with self image issues for your whole childhood and basically will effect you for your whole life.

You would need a massive ascension and have to get constant positive feedback loops to sustain good self esteem, and even that may not be enough, and its also much harder to make yourself ascend because your world view will be more blackpilled and you will have little motivation

Ive observed this with a few of my friends and others in my school. People that were fat when they were kids, and are now good looking are always conscious of what they look like. Rough.

This is so true

 

[Deleted member 39427]

I still have extreme anxiety because of the abused dog I was 5 years ago.Mentally I’m so pessimistic that I single handedly ruined my own life for no reason

Im sorry to hear that, wdym by abused dog

 

[Krxmzonzyn]

The effects of this are so detrimental to your self esteem and self image during a critical period of cognitive development, it will likely leave you with self image issues for your whole childhood and basically will effect you for your whole life.

You would need a massive ascension and have to get constant positive feedback loops to sustain good self esteem, and even that may not be enough, and its also much harder to make yourself ascend because your world view will be more blackpilled and you will have little motivation

Ive observed this with a few of my friends and others in my school. People that were fat when they were kids, and are now good looking are always conscious of what they look like. Rough.

 

[T50 Demon]

Does being invisible and low popularity count as being bullied?

 

[Deleted member 39427]

Does being invisible and low popularity count as being bullied?

No