Big question regarding going into debt

[Benjibanks]

You have probably seen my story on here already. I need a bimax to possibly ascend to being good looking but it’s taking forever due to insurance. What I haven’t considered though is just going into debt for it. For context I take care of family and already am paying down other debt that has come from that. Personally I don’t spend much. So should I go into large scale debt for a bimax would it be worth it or would I wind up being good looking and broke from it?

 

[Mongrelcel]

is bimax even a good idea? post pics

 

[Deleted member 6380]

don't take it

 

[Deleted member 10172]

You have probably seen my story on here already. I need a bimax to possibly ascend to being good looking but it’s taking forever due to insurance. What I haven’t considered though is just going into debt for it. For context I take care of family and already am paying down other debt that has come from that. Personally I don’t spend much. So should I go into large scale debt for a bimax would it be worth it or would I wind up being good looking and broke from it?

save up money and keep researching options. plus I would consider doing distraction osteogenesis with Dr Shendel if u can. He is in Cali

 

[homo_faber]

is bimax even a good idea? post pics

he had several threads on that topic

 

[homo_faber]

wait until you 40 with looksmaxxing

 

[Mongrelcel]

he had several threads on that topic

so I am supposed to dig trough the forum? JFL

 

[homo_faber]

so I am supposed to dig trough the forum? JFL

no but its already established he needs it, thats what i want to contribute

 

[Mouthbreath]

how do you even get a loan?

do you have a regular income?

 

[Mongrelcel]

no but its already established he needs it, thats what i want to contribute

just went trough this post history and now i remember who it is

ive already left a pretty detailed reply, but i not sure "he needs it" - in fact, im not sure he will look any better with it - he might even look worse

 

[homo_faber]

just went trough this post history and now i remember who it is

ive already left a pretty detailed reply, but i not sure "he needs it" - in fact, im not sure he will look any better with it - he might even look worse

his face is textbook recessed, he has breathing issues as far as i remember and a surgeon already agrees to operate on him

looking worse? based on what are you making these assumptions

 

[Mongrelcel]

his face is textbook recessed, he has breathing issues as far as i remember and a surgeon already agrees to operate on him

he is recessed but its not just his lf1 thats recessed

looking worse? based on what are you making these assumptions

on the basis that if you advance the lf1 while the rest of maxilla remains recessed its gonna look stupid
i concluded that what OP needs is lf2 or lf3
im not saying that getting a lf1 will 100% look bad (it might even help OP), but I cant myself imagine how would it look like. What im afraid of is that it even further highlight the recession

 

[homo_faber]

he is recessed but its not just his lf1 thats recessed


on the basis that if you advance the lf1 while the rest of maxilla remains recessed its gonna look stupid
i concluded that what OP needs is lf2 or lf3
im not saying that getting a lf1 will 100% look bad (it might even help OP), but I cant myself imagine how would it look like. What im afraid of is that it even further highlight the recession

i think he should listen to his surgeon who has cephs and experience to tell him what is possible or not possible

 

[Benjibanks]

so I am supposed to dig trough the forum? JFL

Pics are shitty but it’s gets the idea across

 

[Benjibanks]

he is recessed but its not just his lf1 thats recessed


on the basis that if you advance the lf1 while the rest of maxilla remains recessed its gonna look stupid
i concluded that what OP needs is lf2 or lf3
im not saying that getting a lf1 will 100% look bad (it might even help OP), but I cant myself imagine how would it look like. What im afraid of is that it even further highlight the recession

Well lf2 and 3 aren’t gonna happen in country and I’m not having a third world shady fuck cut my skull open. I’m talking to plastic surgeons as well to see what my options with fillers and implants are.

i think he should listen to his surgeon who has cephs and experience to tell him what is possible or not possible

I’m gonna be honest the reason I’m so focused on bimax is because it’s the only thing I’ve been told on here that was confirmed by a real doctor. I still have to have talk details but he seems pretty blackpilled about looks from how he talks. Question is if it’s worth basically fucking up my finances to get it done

 

[homo_faber]

Well lf2 and 3 aren’t gonna happen in country and I’m not having a third world shady fuck cut my skull open. I’m talking to plastic surgeons as well to see what my options with fillers and implants are.


I’m gonna be honest the reason I’m so focused on bimax is because it’s the only thing I’ve been told on here that was confirmed by a real doctor. I still have to have talk details but he seems pretty blackpilled about looks from how he talks. Question is if it’s worth basically fucking up my finances to get it done

how old are you again? late tweenties right?

 

[TITUS]

You should consider the possibility that you may end up broke and looking like shit, there is plenty of chimp faced bimax, so be ready to spend some more on undereye implants and whatnot.
With that face and your age, if you already got a "family" and if you mean by that, a wife and some kids, then don't waste your time with a bimax.

 

[Benjibanks]

You should consider the possibility that you may end up broke and looking like shit, there is plenty of chimp faced bimax, so be ready to spend some more on undereye implants and whatnot.
With that face and your age, if you already got a "family" and if you mean by that, a wife and some kids, then don't waste your time with a bimax.

Let me clear up family means my folks mom dad siblings etc. and how am I gonna look worse? Everyone says bimax is the best surgery.

 

[Benjibanks]

how old are you again? late tweenties right?

Yep I’m 28

 

[Ricochet]

Avoid debt. Seriously it makes you feel like a slave

 

[Benjibanks]

Avoid debt. Seriously it makes you feel like a slave

I know. I’m paying of debt that I had no choice about going into and feeling great about it. I don’t wanna go back into that but I also really need to fix my looks

 

[Ricochet]

I know. I’m paying of debt that I had no choice about going into and feeling great about it. I don’t wanna go back into that but I also really need to fix my looks

Focus of gymmaxxing, hygienemaxxing, stylemaxxing, etc for now and save your money so you can pay for surgery without taking debt. Taking on debt was the biggest financial mistake of my life, I HIGHLY recommend you stay away from it

 

[homo_faber]

Yep I’m 28

so if you wouldnt take an loan when would be you be able to afford it? realistically speaking

 

[homo_faber]

Focus of gymmaxxing, hygienemaxxing, stylemaxxing, etc for now and save your money so you can pay for surgery without taking debt. Taking on debt was the biggest financial mistake of my life, I HIGHLY recommend you stay away from it

it really depends on what you use the money for, i wouldnt say taking loans is a generell mistake. and considering his age at some point op doesnt need to worry about his maxilla or looks anymore. there is a certain time window when it comes to physical attractivness

 

[Benjibanks]

it really depends on what you use the money for, i wouldnt say taking loans is a generell mistake. and considering his age at some point op doesnt need to worry about his maxilla or looks anymore. there is a certain time window when it comes to physical attractivness

It would take 1-2 years. Problem is I’ve got other things I’m paying down in the meantime so I’m paying down debt instead of saving. I’m basically doing the ‘single dad’ lifestyle and trying to fix looks issues at the same time.

 

[TITUS]

Are you doing the softmaxes? Why don't you save some cash while gymmaxing and whatnot.

 

[Benjibanks]

Are you doing the softmaxes? Why don't you save some cash while gymmaxing and whatnot.

I’ve been doing that. Thing is my problems don’t get fixed with softmaxing. Gym is legit but my mid face makes me look like shit no matter what weight I am. Still gonna keep working out for gains though

 

[Howl]

Don't go into debt for a surgery lol. Debt is lifemin af. If you can't afford surgery focusing on making money should be a high priority.

 

[Benjibanks]

Don't go into debt for a surgery lol. Debt is lifemin af. If you can't afford surgery focusing on making money should be a high priority.

I’m not planning on it I just am weighing the option of improved look versus debt. And how much better I’m actually going to look as well. I want to do implants or fillers but everyone says those are a bad idea. They’re much cheaper though and if they help maybe bump me up above a 5 where I’m good looking that would be worth it. And no debt with those also

 

[Mongrelcel]

Question is if it’s worth basically fucking up my finances to get it done

no
i dont think its worth doing for you at all. The psl increase is dubious, and it will be little at best

 

[Deleted member 10524]

your mandible doesn't even look recessed compared to your maxilla, doubt it would ascend

 

[Benjibanks]

no
i dont think its worth doing for you at all. The psl increase is dubious, and it will be little at best

Well what would you suggest then? Because everyone here and the max fac I talked to says I have a recessed maxilla.

 

[Benjibanks]

your mandible doesn't even look recessed compared to your maxilla, doubt it would ascend

He’s talking about a double jaw surgery since my bite is fine according to him. He called it a maxillary mandibular advancement

 

[Mongrelcel]

your mandible doesn't even look recessed compared to your maxilla, doubt it would ascend

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Well what would you suggest then? Because everyone here and the max fac I talked to says I have a recessed maxilla.

man you DO have recessed maxilla, but I cant suggest anything realistic
its one of those "unfixable failos"

 

[FacialAesthetics]

If you have breathing issues why can't you use that to your doctor so your insurance can cover it? Instead of being cosmetic, it'll be more a necessity for your health

 

[Benjibanks]

your mandible doesn't even look recessed compared to your maxilla, doubt it would ascend

So my mandible is recessed too? I’m confused

 

[Benjibanks]

If you have breathing issues why can't you use that to your doctor so your insurance can cover it? Instead of being cosmetic, it'll be more a necessity for your health

I’m going to try for insurance but I don’t have a guarantee they won’t try and tell me to do something else for apnea. Also the max fac that wants to do 8mm advancement isn’t covered by my insurance so I have to find one I trust will care about looks

 

[Benjibanks]

this

man you DO have recessed maxilla, but I cant suggest anything realistic
its one of those "unfixable failos"

So what am I supposed to do. Aside from necking myself over it

 

[homo_faber]

So my mandible is recessed too? I’m confused

the guy has obviously no idea what he is talking about it lmao. confuses maxilla with mandible

keep in mind that many people here are 16 year old curry high school students who live with their parents, talk weirdly and piss their pants about literally everything and anything. they often cant talk to girls and get cortisol spikes before an easy highschool exam that was designed for illiterate monkeys. their RISK AVERSION is off the charts. anything that goes beyond skincream is TOO risky for them. of course these people tell you not do any surgery ever. of course these people will tell you to not take any loan ever. these people still get POCKET MONEY from their parents. they never did an investment in their life (and yes, your face and health is an investment. an investment in life quality)

fact is:

- your maxilla is recessed
- you have health issues
- your surgeons confirmed this. surgeon using objective measurement and angles to determining this
- surgery would solve not only your aesthetic problem but also your functional breathing problems
- implants and filler cant solve the problems of an recessed maxilla in an aesthetical pleasing way (no, nasal implants wont solve shit in your case). fillers also wont be cheaper then surgery in the long run since they only last a few month
- you are approaching 30 so time is an factor (do you know if you have to wear braces before and/or after? if yes the whole process can take years. you say that you need at least 2 years for saving enough money (and that only if everything goes perfectly). you will be 30 sth when it starts, maybe 33 when it ends. risks of surgery complications raise exponentially the older you get. you might walk with braces as an 32 year old guy in your office. or what if you start to bald? cant think of anything more ridiculous then a 33 year old bald guy asking for surgery for aesthetic reasons.)

given these facts i wouldnt exclude the possibilty of an loan right from the start. but i dont know your financial situation that only you know. look at the stats, look how much interest you would have to pay and then decide based on facts.

 

[Benjibanks]

the guy has obviously no idea what he is talking about it lmao. confuses maxilla with mandible

keep in mind that many people here are 16 year old curry high school students who live with their parents, talk weirdly and piss their pants about literally everything and anything. they often cant talk to girls and get cortisol spikes before an easy highschool exam that was designed for illiterate monkeys. their RISK AVERSION is off the charts. anything that goes beyond skincream is TOO risky for them. of course these people tell you not do any surgery ever. of course these people will tell you to not take any loan ever. these people still get POCKET MONEY from their parents. they never did an investment in their life (and yes, your face and health is an investment. an investment in life quality)

fact is:

- your maxilla is recessed
- you have health issues
- your surgeons confirmed this. surgeon using objective measurement and angles to determining this
- surgery would solve not only your aesthetic problem but also your functional breathing problems
- implants and filler cant solve the problems of an recessed maxilla in an aesthetical pleasing way (no, nasal implants wont solve shit in your case). fillers also wont be cheaper then surgery in the long run since they only last a few month
- you are approaching 30 so time is an factor (do you know if you have to wear braces before and/or after? if yes the whole process can take years. you say that you need at least 2 years for saving enough money (and that only if everything goes perfectly). you will be 30 sth when it starts, maybe 33 when it ends. risks of surgery complications raise exponentially the older you get. you might walk with braces as an 32 year old guy in your office. or what if you start to bald? cant think of anything more ridiculous then a 33 year old bald guy asking for surgery for aesthetic reasons.)

given these facts i wouldnt exclude the possibilty of an loan right from the start. but i dont know your financial situation that only you know. look at the stats, look how much interest you would have to pay and then decide based on facts.

Thanks I appreciate the thought out reply. Honestly I’m going to try for insurance first obviously but I worry that I will have trouble finding a max fac who gives a crap about looks. Also since the advancement is going to be through bimax I’d have to account for some kind of mid face fill as well unless the upper jaw advancement somehow affects my mid face/cheek bone area which I’ve heard is possible now counting on it though.
Also I should be safe as far as balding. The men in my family all had hair that outlived them

 

[homo_faber]

Thanks I appreciate the thought out reply. Honestly I’m going to try for insurance first obviously but I worry that I will have trouble finding a max fac who gives a crap about looks. Also since the advancement is going to be through bimax I’d have to account for some kind of mid face fill as well unless the upper jaw advancement somehow affects my mid face/cheek bone area which I’ve heard is possible now counting on it though.
Also I should be safe as far as balding. The men in my family all had hair that outlived them

ok that with the hair is very good news.

find out if you need to wear braces before surgery now.

also - for obvious reasons yo should consult with at least 3 different surgeons before you make any decision

 

[Benjibanks]

ok that with the hair is very good news.

find out if you need to wear braces before surgery now.

also - for obvious reasons yo should consult with at least 3 different surgeons before you make any decision

Working on the multiple surgeons part. The one that I liked and have spoken to said I wouldn’t need braces. Not sure if other surgeons will differ which is why I need to speak to them. Also for what it’s worth my bite is apparently fine so the operation would strictly be advancing both jaws without fucking up my occlusion

 

[Mongrelcel]

keep in mind that many people here are 16 year old curry high school students who live with their parents, talk weirdly and piss their pants about literally everything and anything. they often cant talk to girls and get cortisol spikes before an easy highschool exam that was designed for illiterate monkeys. their RISK AVERSION is off the charts. anything that goes beyond skincream is TOO risky for them. of course these people tell you not do any surgery ever. of course these people will tell you to not take any loan ever. these people still get POCKET MONEY from their parents. they never did an investment in their life (and yes, your face and health is an investment. an investment in life quality)

lotta big words and you havent even proven how I was wrong

 

[TITUS]

I think you could end up getting the chimp look, maybe fix your NCT or undereye support, if you really want to go the surgery route.
You should ponder what you are trying to achieve with surgery, you want to get a gf/wife? is it going to help you getting a better job position? just to "look better"? Is it going to do anything for you at all?
Softmaxes like gym, skincare routine, etc. are usually also healthmaxes.
Maybe try to grow a minox beard.

 

[Benjibanks]

I think you could end up getting the chimp look, maybe fix your NCT or undereye support, if you really want to go the surgery route.
You should ponder what you are trying to achieve with surgery, you want to get a gf/wife? is it going to help you getting a better job position? just to "look better"? Is it going to do anything for you at all?
Softmaxes like gym, skincare routine, etc. are usually also healthmaxes.
Maybe try to grow a minox beard.

It’s for improvement on everything. I’m in Cali so looks are valued a lot. I could legit have job improvement from it and obviously looks can only help in dating. I don’t see how the chimp thing would happen since I’m planning on 8 mm in do worry that whatever I do won’t improvement enough to truly ‘ascend’ me.

 

[Benjibanks]

lotta big words and you havent even proven how I was wrong

You never answered me. What would you suggest since the maxilla is unfixable in your opinion

 

[Benjibanks]

It’s for improvement on everything. I’m in Cali so looks are valued a lot. I could legit have job improvement from it and obviously looks can only help in dating. I don’t see how the chimp thing would happen since I’m planning on 8 mm in do worry that whatever I do won’t improvement enough to truly ‘ascend’ me.

Honestly I just want to have all the advantages of being the ‘hot guy’ ‘good looking guy’ whatever. I don’t have to be the top male model I just want to be in the attractive category. Trouble is I honestly don’t know if I have the base to get there in any way

 

[Deleted member 10172]

how do you even get a loan?

do you have a regular income?

They have credit cards specifically for surgery and can’t they just charge ur credit card

 

[Benjibanks]

They have credit cards specifically for surgery and can’t they just charge ur credit card

I know that part. I don’t want sure about loans specific for surgery. The question is whether I want a 600 a month bill for the next five years

 

[Deleted member 10172]

I know that part. I don’t want sure about loans specific for surgery. The question is whether I want a 600 a month bill for the next five years

How much is your surgery going to cost