bimax Raffaini vs Pagnoni vs Ramieri

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Who is the most skilled surgeon among these three ? Is there any difference in outcome regarding aesthetics?



Obviously Raffaini is the most expensive, Ramieri the cheapest and Pagnoni offer discounts along implants in the same operation.

I've seen several Raffaini cases that ascended godly , even more including females ascension.



He seems to offer good CCW rotation that improves midface and paranasal area that look natural and good looking.
However he might have cherrypicked and hide his bad results.



Pagnoni I didn't see a lot of his results with bimax alone , and some cases have been underwhelming.
Perhaps someone should send me his good results.



Ramieri seems like the best of the bang option as you could save money to get implants later on with Giant's. ( like i need for my browridge/supra/infra/jaw).

A lot of his good results came from his mini chin wing period and he no longer practise it.

 

[savemefromthisfate]

I went to some random ass orthodontist in the U.S, and he wouldn't stop yapping about Raffaini. Dude even compared him to a God. Pagnoni has good bimax results, but I'm still unsure about his decision-making abilities.

 

[vzidel]

Who is the most skilled surgeon among these three ? Is there any difference in outcome regarding aesthetics?



Obviously Raffaini is the most expensive, Ramieri the cheapest and Pagnoni offer discounts along implants in the same operation.

I've seen several Raffaini cases that ascended godly , even more including females ascension.



He seems to offer good CCW rotation that improves midface and paranasal area that look natural and good looking.
However he might have cherrypicked and hide his bad results.



Pagnoni I didn't see a lot of his results with bimax alone , and some cases have been underwhelming.
Perhaps someone should send me his good results.



Ramieri seems like the best of the bang option as you could save money to get implants later on with Giant's. ( like i need for my browridge/supra/infra/jaw).

A lot of his good results came from his mini chin wing period and he no longer practise it.

idk that worldwide renowned instituto maxilofacial place in spain’s also pretty good, their results look nice too

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www.institutomaxilofacial.com

 

[longjohnmong]

sunil richardson tbh

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

idk that worldwide renowned instituto maxilofacial place in spain’s also pretty good, their results look nice too

[:en]Home - Instituto Maxilofacial - Orthognathic, Maxillofacial and Oral Surgery[:]

{:es}Reference center in orthognathic surgery, pioneers in minimally invasive surgery and orthofacial surgery (a more aesthetic-oriented approach){:}

www.institutomaxilofacial.com

i don't like Alfaro :

- he is overpriced like 34 k €.

- he does lot of Dogmaxxing and forward movement without much CCW impaction, results aren't aesthetics and natural lookin
in the Nose / lefort 1 area.

- poor planning as he likes to does 2 to 3 bimaxes per DAY just to make more money, he doesn't care about custom plates
that much and basicly just apply the same fast method for everyone.

also you will recover in just 1 day because of 10 times less
swelling than classic bimax.

- his before/ after are unimpressive , albeit for the LTN guy with short face syndrome that turned out HTN in the after.

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

I went to some random ass orthodontist in the U.S, and he wouldn't stop yapping about Raffaini. Dude even compared him to a God. Pagnoni has good bimax results, but I'm still unsure about his decision-making abilities.

yes Raffaini seems like the best consitency for both female / male aesthetics but he is pricey and refuse to operate ethnics JFL ( i'm white though funny thing to know he is blackpilled and hate brown people like some people on .org ) .

However i didn't see much of Pags' results and the one where pretty underwhelming also not botched, like with no CCW or maxilla downgrafting.

I've been really impressed by some of Ramieri's last results. he seems to get better and better each year , he can do 20mm pogonion advancement now if you ask him specificly to do that.

credits to

BlackpilledPlatypus​

 

[vzidel]

i don't like Alfaro :

- he is overpriced like 34 k €.

- he does lot of Dogmaxxing and forward movement without much CCW impaction, results aren't aesthetics and natural lookin
in the Nose / lefort 1 area.

- poor planning as he likes to does 2 to 3 bimaxes per DAY just to make more money, he doesn't care about custom plates
that much and basicly just apply the same fast method for everyone.

also you will recover in just 1 day because of 10 times less
swelling than classic bimax.

- his before/ after are unimpressive , albeit for the LTN guy with short face syndrome that turned out HTN in the after.

high iq, thank u bhai

 

[HerpDerpson]

Pagnoni offer discounts along implants in the same operation

Is he the one who does rhino in the same procedure?

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

high iq, thank u bhai

the infamous Alfaro line :

i post both his bad and good results, but you can tell it is always the same plan with too few CCW rotation to look natural and mandible always has this " banana look " .

if you're lucky this plan can give you decent results, however for people with downward growth and recession like me the results is often supbar, looks unatural and "moon" like just like the famous DREAM FACE REVEAL

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Is he the one who does rhino in the same procedure?

I don't know if he performs Rhino, i've heard in Italy you can have Mariannetti operating you for rhino the same time as bimax alongside a bimax surgeon but i don't know if its with raffaini, ramieri or pags.

 

[vzidel]

the infamous Alfaro line :

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i post both his bad and good results, but you can tell it is always the same plan with too few CCW rotation to look natural and mandible always has this " banana look " .

if you're lucky this plan can give you decent results, however for people with downward growth and recession like me the results is often supbar, looks unatural and "moon" like just like the famous DREAM FACE REVEAL

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oh no yeah those are terrible, theres only like 2 decent ones, ill probably go with raffiani or pagnoni

 

[fleurybobby]

I don't know if he performs Rhino, i've heard in Italy you can have Mariannetti operating you for rhino the same time as bimax alongside a bimax surgeon but i don't know if its with raffaini, ramieri or pags.

Im pretty sure its Ramieri, they work together in the same clinic

 

[longjohnmong]

oh no yeah those are terrible, theres only like 2 decent ones, ill probably go with raffiani or pagnoni

lmao

 

[longjohnmong]

the infamous Alfaro line :



i post both his bad and good results, but you can tell it is always the same plan with too few CCW rotation to look natural and mandible always has this " banana look " .

if you're lucky this plan can give you decent results, however for people with downward growth and recession like me the results is often supbar, looks unatural and "moon" like just like the famous DREAM FACE REVEAL

Alfaro does tons of CCW rotation. That's literally his thing, and that's what causes the banana jaw. If you have down grown mandible then it's gonna look banana after surgery unless you get jaw implants. Alfaro has by far the most number of published good results.

 

[PlagiocephalyTypeIV]

Who is the most skilled surgeon among these three ? Is there any difference in outcome regarding aesthetics?



Obviously Raffaini is the most expensive, Ramieri the cheapest and Pagnoni offer discounts along implants in the same operation.

I've seen several Raffaini cases that ascended godly , even more including females ascension.



He seems to offer good CCW rotation that improves midface and paranasal area that look natural and good looking.
However he might have cherrypicked and hide his bad results.



Pagnoni I didn't see a lot of his results with bimax alone , and some cases have been underwhelming.
Perhaps someone should send me his good results.



Ramieri seems like the best of the bang option as you could save money to get implants later on with Giant's. ( like i need for my browridge/supra/infra/jaw).

A lot of his good results came from his mini chin wing period and he no longer practise it.

I had bimax and infras with pags a little more than 6 weeks ago. Still swollen but I definitely ascended. He did a great job

 

[the_adonis_truecel]

oh no yeah those are terrible, theres only like 2 decent ones, ill probably go with raffiani or pagnoni

these are all good results dummy

 

[vzidel]

these are all good results dummy

hope you’re larping

 

[LebenistneHure]

What does it look like from the front?

 

[baboon593]

Raffaini solos

 

[fleurybobby]

I had bimax and infras with pags a little more than 6 weeks ago. Still swollen but I definitely ascended. He did a great job

What type of infras did you get? Saddle or just rim?

 

[the_adonis_truecel]

hope you’re larping

no i'm not, tell me what you think is terrible about them, you dont have a clue

 

[vzidel]

no i'm not, tell me what you think is terrible about them, you dont have a clue

holy shit took you a full week to reply, most of them still look recessed as fuck graycel, what do you think is so good about them

 

[the_adonis_truecel]

holy shit took you a full week to reply, most of them still look recessed as fuck graycel, what do you think is so good about them

yeah well i'm not here 24/7 like you incel.

The only one that you can say still looks recessed is the 3rd one from the left

You don't seem familiar with Alfaro, normally the issue that people have with him is that he overadvances, he almost never underadvances.

 

[Eren]

I don’t like Alfaro results at all, they all look the fucking same
I will see the others surferons, can’t afford 40k but if it’s around 20k30k I will give it a shot

 

[mlffff]

I will give you the answer right away.

For jaw surgery alone: Raffaini.
Raffaini is the #1 for jaw surgery because he will analyse your case like no other surgeon and he has the skill to influence your soft tissue which will leave you with the best aesthetic result. Raffaini is #1 no doubt.

For jaw surgery and implants or implants alone: Pagnoni.

I suggest consulting with Raffaini. Pay the 500 euros for the consult. Get the plan with the movements from Raffaini then go to Pagnoni and request those movements if you want to combine the jaw surgery with implants.

Ramieri is a safe middle ground option.

Whatever you do, stay away from Ali Farid Safi. That guy will ruin you and take your money. He has left a friend of mine as well as two other patients with a terrible aesthetic result and severe nerve damage. My friend now has a severe lisp and can't taste anymore. His implants are also cheap and has his brother in law as a designer who has no clue. Dont be conned into having surgery with Safi. He is an amazing manipulator who will gain your trust during the consultation. Beware.

You have Raffaini, Ramieri, Pagnoni.. look no further

 

[Luis]

yes Raffaini seems like the best consitency for both female / male aesthetics but he is pricey and refuse to operate ethnics JFL ( i'm white though funny thing to know he is blackpilled and hate brown people like some people on .org ) .

However i didn't see much of Pags' results and the one where pretty underwhelming also not botched, like with no CCW or maxilla downgrafting.

I've been really impressed by some of Ramieri's last results. he seems to get better and better each year , he can do 20mm pogonion advancement now if you ask him specificly to do that.

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credits to

BlackpilledPlatypus​

This is Ramieri Valerio result?! He’s transitioning away from being super conservative lol

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

This is Ramieri Valerio result?! He’s transitioning away from being super conservative lol

yes since 2023 he became more blackpilled and can give you big movements + ramus widening if you ask him to do so.

This is by far his best result, I was lucky BlacpilledPlatypus shared the before/ after. I wanted to go for Raffaini that charges 32k before heard of this case.

saved me more money for implants. Ramieri is very under rated because pre 2023 he only made conservative movements.