Bimax side profile aesthetics basics - Tyrion case study

[.👽.]

Same. Imagine waking up from surgery and the nurse gives you a mirror and you see this shit:

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his whole upper third is too far behind i think sometimes getting optimal jaw results is not good

 

[Titbot]

It's time to add another bimax case study to the list and enlargen the public blackpill knowledge about surgical aesthetic requirements. We will analyse the infamous case of Tyrion and what exactly went wrong in his case.

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In this before we can see:
- not all red lines are parallel as they ideally should, only the upper two (a genioplasty could fix the lower one)
- his nose to philtrum angle is around 95° which is in the acceptable range between 85° - 95° for ideal aesthetic looks.
- yellow marked: his flat cheek line (contraindication for bimax, these people are prone to look like chimps, it can be somewhat compensated with tear through fillers for example) and his recessed, deep set nasal base (also a contraindication for bimax).
- Also in yellow: a relatively steep jawline, which is a possible hint for a steep occlusional plane and an indicator for CCW, and therefore contraindicator for linear or CW advancements.

None of this was considered in the surgical plan, as we will see. This is the after:

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- The mid red line is now off, this is why his maxilla looks chimp alike
- the yellow marked nasal base is still recessive and doesn't compensate the large advancement of the maxillary alveolar arch
- his occlusional plane remained steep, which is unnatural with such forward growth
- his nose to philtrum angle is at an almost perfect 90° but looks dysharmonious due to the recessive basal base


Let's have a look at what should have been done instead:

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- a rhinoplasty, that adds height and mass to the nose, especially the angle of his nasal ridge (dorsum nasi) should have been changed so that the 3 red lines are perfectly parallel
- his ramus should have been vertically lengthened and his jawline made less steep, as marked with yellow lines.
- furthermore his chin should have been slightly shortened vertically, to allow the 3 red lines to perfectly match
- it's interesting, that the yellow marked and still recessive nasal base doesn't appear to be that much of an issue now - not everything has to be perfect.

The final conclusion is what I've been saying for quite a while now: the aesthetic component of a bimax surgery has to consider soft tissue heavily, maybe even as much as the scelettal situation. And we need to take a holistic approach, consider the nose, nasal base, different ratios, angles and parallel lines, as well as markers for natural looking forward growth (flat jawline, no steep occlusional plane) and how this has to be considered in a surgical plan.

These lines, angles and ratios should serve you as a guide when analyzing and morphing your own side profile. It works like magic.

Tagging some bimaxcels: @lasthope @ht-normie-ascending @spain @NewJawSzn @subhuman incel @Pumanator @one job away

Here my bimax movement from side profile

 

[AlwaysHaveQuestions]

Here my bimax movement from side profile

what genio cut is this called

 

[Titbot]

what genio cut is this called

Wedge genio

 

[.👽.]

Here my bimax movement from side profile

isnt this mostly genio?

 

[dakchuh]

Here my bimax movement from side profile

looks like they gave you some clockwise rotation. looks good

 

[Eduardo DOV]

hmmm. nah.
only thing that is right is the nasal base thing. and it seems you morphed the nose's surface projection? its about the total nose projection from the face.

The chimp looks is cause by the nose/mouth area. It has nothing to do with the under eye area being weak(henry cavill for reference).

A round/recessed nose cause that look on blacks and asians. A tall philtrum cause that look.
Thats the case here, we have a tall philtrum and a small rounded nose.

Here is the proof:
I changed some other things, but those are the main things I think.
And thats hard as fuck to change, specially the nose thing, dont even know if its possible to do this to be honest. Would require a lefort II osteotomie, dont even know how it would look. Also changed the shape of it.

 

[WhiteGoodman]

They are mostly indicators for midface hypoplasia and that combined with lefort 1 advancement can make you look like a chimp, it's just that you are more prone to the risk.
It's also party of the reason why class 2 patients tend to ascend better and more natural looking than class 3 patients

Is class 2 overbite?

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Is class 2 overbite?

yup

 

[WhiteGoodman]

yup

Think I will book an ortho trip and see what they say with X-Rays.

 

[Ronaldo37]

Bump

 

[hypergamy]

so i figured out how much anterior projection you can get away with. the nasion-subnasale-pogonion line essentially measures that.

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around 175 degrees for masc slayer, 170 for pretty boy, 165 to 160 for women. chico is actually around 170. the lower the number the more forward grown. this measurement only works if you arent deformed however so disregard the guy on the right.


for example in this pic his actual is around 171, morph is around 175
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special consideration should be made for asians due to their low nasion, so the max they can achieve without looking like they have retruded jaws is probably 170 degrees.

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basically since this line only works on non deformed people with properly grown jaws, the only change in angles come from how forward grown your brow ridge is

how to measure the nasion-subnasale-pogonion?

 

[hypergamy]

Same. Imagine waking up from surgery and the nurse gives you a mirror and you see this shit:

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damn.

How to make sure this doesn't occur?

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

damn.

How to make sure this doesn't occur?

bump

 

[randomvanish]

one of the worst analyses I've ever seen on this forum. blue lines, red lines. there is specific reasoning and names for placement of all this.

 

[hypergamy]

on second thought...if, however, you want to maintain that same mandible projection as his actual results another possibility is to have a much more projected maxilla like so.View attachment 1396072

this also looks pretty good. whats needed for this case is once again less CCW but much more anterior projection. in this case although his SNA and SNB angles may be too high, but as long as his ANB angle stays the same as the previous morph it still looks fine. only issue with this is u run the risk of dogmaxxing if you project too much.


in either case bottom line more CCW is not always better. CCW is just to get your ANB angle within optimal range. SNA SNB angles *can* be slightly higher than normal, i think, what really matters is the relationship between upper jaw and lower jaw

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Are these graphs the ideal angle?

 

[Deleted member 8869]

It's time to add another bimax case study to the list and enlargen the public blackpill knowledge about surgical aesthetic requirements. We will analyse the infamous case of Tyrion and what exactly went wrong in his case.

View attachment 1346680

In this before we can see:
- not all red lines are parallel as they ideally should, only the upper two (a genioplasty could fix the lower one)
- his nose to philtrum angle is around 95° which is in the acceptable range between 85° - 95° for ideal aesthetic looks.
- yellow marked: his flat cheek line (contraindication for bimax, these people are prone to look like chimps, it can be somewhat compensated with tear through fillers for example) and his recessed, deep set nasal base (also a contraindication for bimax).
- Also in yellow: a relatively steep jawline, which is a possible hint for a steep occlusional plane and an indicator for CCW, and therefore contraindicator for linear or CW advancements.

None of this was considered in the surgical plan, as we will see. This is the after:

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- The mid red line is now off, this is why his maxilla looks chimp alike
- the yellow marked nasal base is still recessive and doesn't compensate the large advancement of the maxillary alveolar arch
- his occlusional plane remained steep, which is unnatural with such forward growth
- his nose to philtrum angle is at an almost perfect 90° but looks dysharmonious due to the recessive basal base


Let's have a look at what should have been done instead:

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- a rhinoplasty, that adds height and mass to the nose, especially the angle of his nasal ridge (dorsum nasi) should have been changed so that the 3 red lines are perfectly parallel
- his ramus should have been vertically lengthened and his jawline made less steep, as marked with yellow lines.
- furthermore his chin should have been slightly shortened vertically, to allow the 3 red lines to perfectly match
- it's interesting, that the yellow marked and still recessive nasal base doesn't appear to be that much of an issue now - not everything has to be perfect.

The final conclusion is what I've been saying for quite a while now: the aesthetic component of a bimax surgery has to consider soft tissue heavily, maybe even as much as the scelettal situation. And we need to take a holistic approach, consider the nose, nasal base, different ratios, angles and parallel lines, as well as markers for natural looking forward growth (flat jawline, no steep occlusional plane) and how this has to be considered in a surgical plan.

These lines, angles and ratios should serve you as a guide when analyzing and morphing your own side profile. It works like magic.

Tagging some bimaxcels: @lasthope @ht-normie-ascending @spain @NewJawSzn @subhuman incel @Pumanator @one job away

bro i will get bimax next month i would pay you via paypal if you were to give me quality advice on planning etc

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

It's time to add another bimax case study to the list and enlargen the public blackpill knowledge about surgical aesthetic requirements. We will analyse the infamous case of Tyrion and what exactly went wrong in his case.

View attachment 1346680

In this before we can see:
- not all red lines are parallel as they ideally should, only the upper two (a genioplasty could fix the lower one)
- his nose to philtrum angle is around 95° which is in the acceptable range between 85° - 95° for ideal aesthetic looks.
- yellow marked: his flat cheek line (contraindication for bimax, these people are prone to look like chimps, it can be somewhat compensated with tear through fillers for example) and his recessed, deep set nasal base (also a contraindication for bimax).
- Also in yellow: a relatively steep jawline, which is a possible hint for a steep occlusional plane and an indicator for CCW, and therefore contraindicator for linear or CW advancements.

None of this was considered in the surgical plan, as we will see. This is the after:

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- The mid red line is now off, this is why his maxilla looks chimp alike
- the yellow marked nasal base is still recessive and doesn't compensate the large advancement of the maxillary alveolar arch
- his occlusional plane remained steep, which is unnatural with such forward growth
- his nose to philtrum angle is at an almost perfect 90° but looks dysharmonious due to the recessive basal base


Let's have a look at what should have been done instead:

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View attachment 1346673

- a rhinoplasty, that adds height and mass to the nose, especially the angle of his nasal ridge (dorsum nasi) should have been changed so that the 3 red lines are perfectly parallel
- his ramus should have been vertically lengthened and his jawline made less steep, as marked with yellow lines.
- furthermore his chin should have been slightly shortened vertically, to allow the 3 red lines to perfectly match
- it's interesting, that the yellow marked and still recessive nasal base doesn't appear to be that much of an issue now - not everything has to be perfect.

The final conclusion is what I've been saying for quite a while now: the aesthetic component of a bimax surgery has to consider soft tissue heavily, maybe even as much as the scelettal situation. And we need to take a holistic approach, consider the nose, nasal base, different ratios, angles and parallel lines, as well as markers for natural looking forward growth (flat jawline, no steep occlusional plane) and how this has to be considered in a surgical plan.

These lines, angles and ratios should serve you as a guide when analyzing and morphing your own side profile. It works like magic.

Tagging some bimaxcels: @lasthope @ht-normie-ascending @spain @NewJawSzn @subhuman incel @Pumanator @one job away

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