Bimax side profile aesthetics basics - Tyrion case study

[Acromegaly_Chad]

It's time to add another bimax case study to the list and enlargen the public blackpill knowledge about surgical aesthetic requirements. We will analyse the infamous case of Tyrion and what exactly went wrong in his case.

In this before we can see:
- not all red lines are parallel as they ideally should, only the upper two (a genioplasty could fix the lower one)
- his nose to philtrum angle is around 95° which is in the acceptable range between 85° - 95° for ideal aesthetic looks.
- yellow marked: his flat cheek line (contraindication for bimax, these people are prone to look like chimps, it can be somewhat compensated with tear through fillers for example) and his recessed, deep set nasal base (also a contraindication for bimax).
- Also in yellow: a relatively steep jawline, which is a possible hint for a steep occlusional plane and an indicator for CCW, and therefore contraindicator for linear or CW advancements.

None of this was considered in the surgical plan, as we will see. This is the after:

- The mid red line is now off, this is why his maxilla looks chimp alike
- the yellow marked nasal base is still recessive and doesn't compensate the large advancement of the maxillary alveolar arch
- his occlusional plane remained steep, which is unnatural with such forward growth
- his nose to philtrum angle is at an almost perfect 90° but looks dysharmonious due to the recessive basal base


Let's have a look at what should have been done instead:

- a rhinoplasty, that adds height and mass to the nose, especially the angle of his nasal ridge (dorsum nasi) should have been changed so that the 3 red lines are perfectly parallel
- his ramus should have been vertically lengthened and his jawline made less steep, as marked with yellow lines.
- furthermore his chin should have been slightly shortened vertically, to allow the 3 red lines to perfectly match
- it's interesting, that the yellow marked and still recessive nasal base doesn't appear to be that much of an issue now - not everything has to be perfect.

The final conclusion is what I've been saying for quite a while now: the aesthetic component of a bimax surgery has to consider soft tissue heavily, maybe even as much as the scelettal situation. And we need to take a holistic approach, consider the nose, nasal base, different ratios, angles and parallel lines, as well as markers for natural looking forward growth (flat jawline, no steep occlusional plane) and how this has to be considered in a surgical plan.

These lines, angles and ratios should serve you as a guide when analyzing and morphing your own side profile. It works like magic.

Tagging some bimaxcels: @lasthope @ht-normie-ascending @spain @NewJawSzn @subhuman incel @Pumanator @one job away

 

[Deleted member 10615]

his nasal bridge was recessed? was that due to maxilla or just genes?

 

[Deleted member 5786]

@subhuman incel
@Deusmaximus

 

[sorrowfulsad]

those changes you made will literally do 0 irl changes tho

 

[deepweb1298]

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

those changes you made will literally do 0 irl changes tho

He would probably still look uncanny bevause of his eyebrows and the flat cheek lines etc. but it's a lot better, also I was very conservative with morphing.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Why is a flat cheek line and recessed nasal base a contraindication? I thought those are indicators of recession and needing Lefort/Bimax?

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

Why is a flat cheek line and recessed nasal base a contraindication? I thought those are indicators of recession and needing Lefort/Bimax?

They are mostly indicators for midface hypoplasia and that combined with lefort 1 advancement can make you look like a chimp, it's just that you are more prone to the risk.
It's also party of the reason why class 2 patients tend to ascend better and more natural looking than class 3 patients

 

[deepweb1298]

Why is a flat cheek line and recessed nasal base a contraindication? I thought those are indicators of recession and needing Lefort/Bimax?

Correct me if i'm wrong but you would need a Le Fort II to make everything balanced i.e. moving the actual nasal bone forward. In Le Fort I you may overproject maxilla without moving nasal bones.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

They are mostly indicators for midface hypoplasia and that combined with lefort 1 advancement can make you look like a chimp, it's just that you are more prone to the risk.
It's also party of the reason why class 2 patients tend to ascend better and more natural looking than class 3 patients

What's the best way to fix midface hypoplasia with class 3 without being chimpmaxxed?

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

What's the best way to fix midface hypoplasia with class 3 without being chimpmaxxed?

Sometimes a lefort 1 is perfectly fine, sometimes tear through fillers will do the job, sometimes you need midface implants and in the worst case a modified lefort 3

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

his nasal bridge was recessed? was that due to maxilla or just genes?

Both

 

[Deleted member 14848]

It's time to add another bimax case study to the list and enlargen the public blackpill knowledge about surgical aesthetic requirements. We will analyse the infamous case of Tyrion and what exactly went wrong in his case.

View attachment 1346680

In this before we can see:
- not all red lines are parallel as they ideally should, only the upper two (a genioplasty could fix the lower one)
- his nose to philtrum angle is around 95° which is in the acceptable range between 85° - 95° for ideal aesthetic looks.
- yellow marked: his flat cheek line (contraindication for bimax, these people are prone to look like chimps, it can be somewhat compensated with tear through fillers for example) and his recessed, deep set nasal base (also a contraindication for bimax).
- Also in yellow: a relatively steep jawline, which is a possible hint for a steep occlusional plane and an indicator for CCW, and therefore contraindicator for linear or CW advancements.

None of this was considered in the surgical plan, as we will see. This is the after:

View attachment 1346666

View attachment 1346667

- The mid red line is now off, this is why his maxilla looks chimp alike
- the yellow marked nasal base is still recessive and doesn't compensate the large advancement of the maxillary alveolar arch
- his occlusional plane remained steep, which is unnatural with such forward growth
- his nose to philtrum angle is at an almost perfect 90° but looks dysharmonious due to the recessive basal base


Let's have a look at what should have been done instead:

View attachment 1346672


View attachment 1346673

- a rhinoplasty, that adds height and mass to the nose, especially the angle of his nasal ridge (dorsum nasi) should have been changed so that the 3 red lines are perfectly parallel
- his ramus should have been vertically lengthened and his jawline made less steep, as marked with yellow lines.
- furthermore his chin should have been slightly shortened vertically, to allow the 3 red lines to perfectly match
- it's interesting, that the yellow marked and still recessive nasal base doesn't appear to be that much of an issue now - not everything has to be perfect.

The final conclusion is what I've been saying for quite a while now: the aesthetic component of a bimax surgery has to consider soft tissue heavily, maybe even as much as the scelettal situation. And we need to take a holistic approach, consider the nose, nasal base, different ratios, angles and parallel lines, as well as markers for natural looking forward growth (flat jawline, no steep occlusional plane) and how this has to be considered in a surgical plan.

These lines, angles and ratios should serve you as a guide when analyzing and morphing your own side profile. It works like magic.

Tagging some bimaxcels: @lasthope @ht-normie-ascending @spain @NewJawSzn @subhuman incel @Pumanator @one job away

good analysis, I would add that his nose, both the nasal bone and nasal cartialage, is way to small in the after compared to the mouth area
And his lips are way to small too compared to the philtrum/mouth prominence which adds to the baboon look

 

[Deleted member 5786]

If Stallone came there with his profile, what surgeries would you recommend him?

@subhuman incel

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

If Stallone came there with his profile, what surgeries would you recommend him?

View attachment 1346702

@subhuman incel

Trimax

 

[Deusmaximus]

What matters to girls in the end is width from the front, and sharp masculine angles.
For both you need implants.

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

What matters to girls in the end is width from the front, and sharp masculine angles.
For both you need implants.

True. And I'm a narrow jaw cel

But I can't simply use implants because my lips are small and narrow due to bimaxillary retrusion. I got double fucked with narrowness and recession. I fucking hate life and there's no god, justice or whatsoever. I've always been the kid who has helped others, never bullied anyone and got royally fucked during puberty

 

[Deusmaximus]

True. And I'm a narrow jaw cel

He would now need a jaw angle implant to fix the gonial angle, and some nose filler to get rid of the small female pig nose.
What do you think?

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

He would now need a jaw angle implant to fix the gonial angle, and some nose filler to get rid of the small female pig nose.
What do you think?

View attachment 1346705

That would be an option yes. His front is fucked though

 

[Deleted member 14848]

He would now need a jaw angle implant to fix the gonial angle, and some nose filler to get rid of the small female pig nose.
What do you think?

View attachment 1346705

his entire anterior cranium is too short in the first place

 

[deepweb1298]

True. And I'm a narrow jaw cel

But I can't simply use implants because my lips are small and narrow due to bimaxillary retrusion. I got double fucked with narrowness and recession. I fucking hate life and there's no god, justice or whatsoever. I've always been the kid who has helped others, never bullied anyone and got royally fucked during puberty

Thoughts on using mouth widening appliances if you have horizontally small lips? If your lip soft tissue is small could you not use this to slightly widen your lip area?

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looksmax.org

 

[Deusmaximus]

This is retarded tbh, assuming you are saying only front is relevant

At any social interaction you are observed from every angle

I am saying that having width from the front is a very dimorphic and extremely important trait to attract girls.
Someone can look masculine and good on a side profile picture, but still small and narrow from the front. Its very bad if you want to look attractive.
On the other hand, a guy like meeks loks okay on side but impressive from front.
Wide and stright orbital bones, wide later cheekbones, wide gonial width.

No joke, but i once met a girl that only saw my frauded 3/4 profile, and on the date she really dropped a blackpill "you face seemed a bit more wide and strong on your picture"
I have the exact same problem. Pretty good side profile because of forward projecting maxilla and masculine beard fraud. On the side i look narrow, because of small palate/mandible and skull shape:

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

I am saying that having width from the front is a very dimorphic and extremely important trait to attract girls.
Someone can look masculine and good on a side profile picture, but still small and narrow from the front. Its very bad if you want to look attractive.
On the other hand, a guy like meeks loks okay on side but impressive from front.
Wide and stright orbital bones, wide later cheekbones, wide gonial width.

No joke, but i once met a girl that only saw my frauded 3/4 profile, and on the date she really dropped a blackpill "you face seemed a bit more wide and strong on your picture"
I have the exact same problem. Pretty good side profile because of forward projecting maxilla and masculine beard fraud. On the side i look narrow, because of small palate/mandible and skull shape:

https://looksmax.org/threads/narrow-jaw-instant-death.399379/

 

[subhuman incel]

If Stallone came there with his profile, what surgeries would you recommend him?

View attachment 1346702

@subhuman incel

Stallone needs a lefort 3 i think. His undereyes are fucked

 

[Deleted member 5786]

I am saying that having width from the front is a very dimorphic and extremely important trait to attract girls.
Someone can look masculine and good on a side profile picture, but still small and narrow from the front. Its very bad if you want to look attractive.
On the other hand, a guy like meeks loks okay on side but impressive from front.
Wide and stright orbital bones, wide later cheekbones, wide gonial width.

No joke, but i once met a girl that only saw my frauded 3/4 profile, and on the date she really dropped a blackpill "you face seemed a bit more wide and strong on your picture"
I have the exact same problem. Pretty good side profile because of forward projecting maxilla and masculine beard fraud. On the side i look narrow, because of small palate/mandible and skull shape:

look at this wide-faced chad vs narrow fuced cuck :


@subhuman incel

 

[subhuman incel]

Wait he didnt get any ccw rotation? Im so glad people like @SixCRY blackpilled me on ccw, you should always do it except when your occlusal plane is negative. He probably got none or not enough. And recessed nasal base can correct only with lefort 2 Or what other options? @OldVirgin

 

[dakchuh]

Wait he didnt get any ccw rotation? Im so glad people like @SixCRY blackpilled me on ccw, you should always do it except when your occlusal plane is negative. He probably got none or not enough. And recessed nasal base can correct only with lefort 2 Or what other options? @OldVirgin

isn't the nasal base right over where the lefort 1 is cut? shouldn't a ccw lefort 1 advancement increase nasal base projection?

 

[MeinChadf]

It's time to add another bimax case study to the list and enlargen the public blackpill knowledge about surgical aesthetic requirements. We will analyse the infamous case of Tyrion and what exactly went wrong in his case.

View attachment 1346680

In this before we can see:
- not all red lines are parallel as they ideally should, only the upper two (a genioplasty could fix the lower one)
- his nose to philtrum angle is around 95° which is in the acceptable range between 85° - 95° for ideal aesthetic looks.
- yellow marked: his flat cheek line (contraindication for bimax, these people are prone to look like chimps, it can be somewhat compensated with tear through fillers for example) and his recessed, deep set nasal base (also a contraindication for bimax).
- Also in yellow: a relatively steep jawline, which is a possible hint for a steep occlusional plane and an indicator for CCW, and therefore contraindicator for linear or CW advancements.

None of this was considered in the surgical plan, as we will see. This is the after:

View attachment 1346666

View attachment 1346667

- The mid red line is now off, this is why his maxilla looks chimp alike
- the yellow marked nasal base is still recessive and doesn't compensate the large advancement of the maxillary alveolar arch
- his occlusional plane remained steep, which is unnatural with such forward growth
- his nose to philtrum angle is at an almost perfect 90° but looks dysharmonious due to the recessive basal base


Let's have a look at what should have been done instead:

View attachment 1346672


View attachment 1346673

- a rhinoplasty, that adds height and mass to the nose, especially the angle of his nasal ridge (dorsum nasi) should have been changed so that the 3 red lines are perfectly parallel
- his ramus should have been vertically lengthened and his jawline made less steep, as marked with yellow lines.
- furthermore his chin should have been slightly shortened vertically, to allow the 3 red lines to perfectly match
- it's interesting, that the yellow marked and still recessive nasal base doesn't appear to be that much of an issue now - not everything has to be perfect.

The final conclusion is what I've been saying for quite a while now: the aesthetic component of a bimax surgery has to consider soft tissue heavily, maybe even as much as the scelettal situation. And we need to take a holistic approach, consider the nose, nasal base, different ratios, angles and parallel lines, as well as markers for natural looking forward growth (flat jawline, no steep occlusional plane) and how this has to be considered in a surgical plan.

These lines, angles and ratios should serve you as a guide when analyzing and morphing your own side profile. It works like magic.

Tagging some bimaxcels: @lasthope @ht-normie-ascending @spain @NewJawSzn @subhuman incel @Pumanator @one job away

Great high IQ content please do more of these case studies

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Great thread very high iq man.

 

[rubybrrr]

They are mostly indicators for midface hypoplasia and that combined with lefort 1 advancement can make you look like a chimp, it's just that you are more prone to the risk.
It's also party of the reason why class 2 patients tend to ascend better and more natural looking than class 3 patients

Do I have midface hypo plasma that would result in chimp appearance?

 

[rubybrrr]

Typo I’m not that retarded

 

[user47283]

It's time to add another bimax case study to the list and enlargen the public blackpill knowledge about surgical aesthetic requirements. We will analyse the infamous case of Tyrion and what exactly went wrong in his case.

View attachment 1346680

In this before we can see:
- not all red lines are parallel as they ideally should, only the upper two (a genioplasty could fix the lower one)
- his nose to philtrum angle is around 95° which is in the acceptable range between 85° - 95° for ideal aesthetic looks.
- yellow marked: his flat cheek line (contraindication for bimax, these people are prone to look like chimps, it can be somewhat compensated with tear through fillers for example) and his recessed, deep set nasal base (also a contraindication for bimax).
- Also in yellow: a relatively steep jawline, which is a possible hint for a steep occlusional plane and an indicator for CCW, and therefore contraindicator for linear or CW advancements.

None of this was considered in the surgical plan, as we will see. This is the after:

View attachment 1346666

View attachment 1346667

- The mid red line is now off, this is why his maxilla looks chimp alike
- the yellow marked nasal base is still recessive and doesn't compensate the large advancement of the maxillary alveolar arch
- his occlusional plane remained steep, which is unnatural with such forward growth
- his nose to philtrum angle is at an almost perfect 90° but looks dysharmonious due to the recessive basal base


Let's have a look at what should have been done instead:

View attachment 1346672


View attachment 1346673

- a rhinoplasty, that adds height and mass to the nose, especially the angle of his nasal ridge (dorsum nasi) should have been changed so that the 3 red lines are perfectly parallel
- his ramus should have been vertically lengthened and his jawline made less steep, as marked with yellow lines.
- furthermore his chin should have been slightly shortened vertically, to allow the 3 red lines to perfectly match
- it's interesting, that the yellow marked and still recessive nasal base doesn't appear to be that much of an issue now - not everything has to be perfect.

The final conclusion is what I've been saying for quite a while now: the aesthetic component of a bimax surgery has to consider soft tissue heavily, maybe even as much as the scelettal situation. And we need to take a holistic approach, consider the nose, nasal base, different ratios, angles and parallel lines, as well as markers for natural looking forward growth (flat jawline, no steep occlusional plane) and how this has to be considered in a surgical plan.

These lines, angles and ratios should serve you as a guide when analyzing and morphing your own side profile. It works like magic.

Tagging some bimaxcels: @lasthope @ht-normie-ascending @spain @NewJawSzn @subhuman incel @Pumanator @one job away

Wait a post on looksmax that is actually helpful , cant be

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

Do I have midface hypo plasma that would result in chimp appearance? View attachment 1363060

Nasal base is brutally recessed

 

[one job away]

It's time to add another bimax case study to the list and enlargen the public blackpill knowledge about surgical aesthetic requirements. We will analyse the infamous case of Tyrion and what exactly went wrong in his case.

View attachment 1346680

In this before we can see:
- not all red lines are parallel as they ideally should, only the upper two (a genioplasty could fix the lower one)
- his nose to philtrum angle is around 95° which is in the acceptable range between 85° - 95° for ideal aesthetic looks.
- yellow marked: his flat cheek line (contraindication for bimax, these people are prone to look like chimps, it can be somewhat compensated with tear through fillers for example) and his recessed, deep set nasal base (also a contraindication for bimax).
- Also in yellow: a relatively steep jawline, which is a possible hint for a steep occlusional plane and an indicator for CCW, and therefore contraindicator for linear or CW advancements.

None of this was considered in the surgical plan, as we will see. This is the after:

View attachment 1346666

View attachment 1346667

- The mid red line is now off, this is why his maxilla looks chimp alike
- the yellow marked nasal base is still recessive and doesn't compensate the large advancement of the maxillary alveolar arch
- his occlusional plane remained steep, which is unnatural with such forward growth
- his nose to philtrum angle is at an almost perfect 90° but looks dysharmonious due to the recessive basal base


Let's have a look at what should have been done instead:

View attachment 1346672


View attachment 1346673

- a rhinoplasty, that adds height and mass to the nose, especially the angle of his nasal ridge (dorsum nasi) should have been changed so that the 3 red lines are perfectly parallel
- his ramus should have been vertically lengthened and his jawline made less steep, as marked with yellow lines.
- furthermore his chin should have been slightly shortened vertically, to allow the 3 red lines to perfectly match
- it's interesting, that the yellow marked and still recessive nasal base doesn't appear to be that much of an issue now - not everything has to be perfect.

The final conclusion is what I've been saying for quite a while now: the aesthetic component of a bimax surgery has to consider soft tissue heavily, maybe even as much as the scelettal situation. And we need to take a holistic approach, consider the nose, nasal base, different ratios, angles and parallel lines, as well as markers for natural looking forward growth (flat jawline, no steep occlusional plane) and how this has to be considered in a surgical plan.

These lines, angles and ratios should serve you as a guide when analyzing and morphing your own side profile. It works like magic.

Tagging some bimaxcels: @lasthope @ht-normie-ascending @spain @NewJawSzn @subhuman incel @Pumanator @one job away

Weird that I didn’t get the tag. Only came across this thread randomly. I feel like showing a morph is detrimental to a successfully result. Could have seen that coming. Tho it’s not a bad result just not an ascension

 

[justadude]

@Deusmaximus and the guy who keeps saying bimax will never result in good change because angularity and shit is key

How TF is this result so good? View attachment 1346743
i wonder if guy got implants too and is larping?? made him way more angular and I guarantee you actually made him significantly more GL irl

because this guy has a good maxilla but a shit jaw

 

[lilhorizontal32]

Nasal base is brutally recessed

could you post photos of a recessed vs forward grown nasal base?

 

[rubybrrr]

Nasal base is brutally recessed

What should I do? What can I do to fix it? You seem rly smart about harmony

 

[rubybrrr]

A

Nasal base is brutally recessed

Also see here if I fix my mouth protrusion the nose doesn’t look as recessed. Should I get extractions or work on moving the maxilla and nose to match the lips

 

[MeinChadf]

It's time to add another bimax case study to the list and enlargen the public blackpill knowledge about surgical aesthetic requirements. We will analyse the infamous case of Tyrion and what exactly went wrong in his case.

View attachment 1346680

In this before we can see:
- not all red lines are parallel as they ideally should, only the upper two (a genioplasty could fix the lower one)
- his nose to philtrum angle is around 95° which is in the acceptable range between 85° - 95° for ideal aesthetic looks.
- yellow marked: his flat cheek line (contraindication for bimax, these people are prone to look like chimps, it can be somewhat compensated with tear through fillers for example) and his recessed, deep set nasal base (also a contraindication for bimax).
- Also in yellow: a relatively steep jawline, which is a possible hint for a steep occlusional plane and an indicator for CCW, and therefore contraindicator for linear or CW advancements.

None of this was considered in the surgical plan, as we will see. This is the after:

View attachment 1346666

View attachment 1346667

- The mid red line is now off, this is why his maxilla looks chimp alike
- the yellow marked nasal base is still recessive and doesn't compensate the large advancement of the maxillary alveolar arch
- his occlusional plane remained steep, which is unnatural with such forward growth
- his nose to philtrum angle is at an almost perfect 90° but looks dysharmonious due to the recessive basal base


Let's have a look at what should have been done instead:

View attachment 1346672


View attachment 1346673

- a rhinoplasty, that adds height and mass to the nose, especially the angle of his nasal ridge (dorsum nasi) should have been changed so that the 3 red lines are perfectly parallel
- his ramus should have been vertically lengthened and his jawline made less steep, as marked with yellow lines.
- furthermore his chin should have been slightly shortened vertically, to allow the 3 red lines to perfectly match
- it's interesting, that the yellow marked and still recessive nasal base doesn't appear to be that much of an issue now - not everything has to be perfect.

The final conclusion is what I've been saying for quite a while now: the aesthetic component of a bimax surgery has to consider soft tissue heavily, maybe even as much as the scelettal situation. And we need to take a holistic approach, consider the nose, nasal base, different ratios, angles and parallel lines, as well as markers for natural looking forward growth (flat jawline, no steep occlusional plane) and how this has to be considered in a surgical plan.

These lines, angles and ratios should serve you as a guide when analyzing and morphing your own side profile. It works like magic.

Tagging some bimaxcels: @lasthope @ht-normie-ascending @spain @NewJawSzn @subhuman incel @Pumanator @one job away

Which surgeon did this? Augusto?

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

Which surgeon did this? Augusto?

Yes

 

[dakchuh]

lol problem is his maxilla isnt forward enough and his mandible too forward. making his nose taller only covers up that issue. he got botched

 

[dakchuh]

you could probably even move his mandible back a bit more. his SNB angle is way too high i think thats why he chimpmaxxed. probably went full retard with the CCW meme and told the doctor to make it as CCW as possible

 

[dakchuh]

as to how this happened, since the upper and lower teeth have to line up, im guessing he CCW way too much, rotating out his mandible too far. what shouldve been done was less CCW and more anterior projection.

 

[dakchuh]

on second thought...if, however, you want to maintain that same mandible projection as his actual results another possibility is to have a much more projected maxilla like so.

this also looks pretty good. whats needed for this case is once again less CCW but much more anterior projection. in this case although his SNA and SNB angles may be too high, but as long as his ANB angle stays the same as the previous morph it still looks fine. only issue with this is u run the risk of dogmaxxing if you project too much.


in either case bottom line more CCW is not always better. CCW is just to get your ANB angle within optimal range. SNA SNB angles *can* be slightly higher than normal, i think, what really matters is the relationship between upper jaw and lower jaw

 

[dakchuh]

so i figured out how much anterior projection you can get away with. the nasion-subnasale-pogonion line essentially measures that.

around 175 degrees for masc slayer, 170 for pretty boy, 165 to 160 for women. chico is actually around 170. the lower the number the more forward grown. this measurement only works if you arent deformed however so disregard the guy on the right.


for example in this pic his actual is around 171, morph is around 175

special consideration should be made for asians due to their low nasion, so the max they can achieve without looking like they have retruded jaws is probably 170 degrees.

basically since this line only works on non deformed people with properly grown jaws, the only change in angles come from how forward grown your brow ridge is

 

[.👽.]

still looks bad in your morph bro. he looked better before idk why.

 

[dakchuh]

still looks bad in your morph bro. he looked better before idk why.

he looks like a fucking chimp PSL has warped your sense of reality

 

[AlwaysHaveQuestions]

still looks bad in your morph bro. he looked better before idk why.

the morph didnt give him more mid mandible width
now he needs jaw angle implant and side wing
or or... a reverse bsso (honestly)

 

[.👽.]

he looks like a fucking chimp PSL has warped your sense of reality

i mean he looked better before Bimax. ima get bimax too soon and scared of this shit. imagine paying to look worse

 

[Deleted member 7725]

i mean he looked better before Bimax. ima get bimax too soon and scared of this shit. imagine paying to look worse

Same. Imagine waking up from surgery and the nurse gives you a mirror and you see this shit: