Bonesmashing can work but it requires some setup (guide & scientific proof) GTFIH

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Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
Screenshot 2024 05 26 at 31354PM

BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
Screenshot 2024 05 26 at 35003PM

Screenshot 2024 05 26 at 32705PM

σ=E⋅ε
  • σ is the stress
  • E is the Young's modulus
  • ε is the strain
Given:
  • E=13,500 mpa
  • ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6
Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2


877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
Screenshot 2024 05 26 at 60843PM


What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.
Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.
  • Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
  • Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
  • Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
  • Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
  • Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
  • Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
  • Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
  • Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
  • Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
  • Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


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The content of this post, such as graphics, images, text and all other materials, is provided for reference and educational purposes only. The content is not meant to be complete or exhaustive or to be applicable to any specific individual's medical condition.
Hallo assumes no duty to correct or update the website nor to resolve or clarify any inconsistent information that might be a part of the website. This website contains health or medically related materials that can be considered sexually explicit.
This post is not an attempt to practice medicine or provide specific medical advice, and it should not be used to make a diagnosis or to replace or overrule a qualified health care provider's judgment. Users should not rely up this post for medical treatment. The content on this post is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always consult with a qualified and licensed physician or other medical care provider, and follow their advice without delay regardless of anything read on this website.
Use of programs on this post does not establish a doctor–patient relationship.
I am not responsible or liable for any claim, loss or damage resulting from its use by you or any user.
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well formatted and comprehensive

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How far does “nothing under the eye” extend? Cheekbones safe or not?
 
Tldr
 
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U can't just do it by hand by going very fast? It should exert more force than massage gun, won't it be enough
 
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U can't just do it by hand by going very fast? It should exert more force than massage gun, won't it be enough
10 Hz is 10 times per second. Also, it would be very inconsistent.
 
Just apply a constant force, why does it need to oscillate
 
Just apply a constant force, why does it need to oscillate
Dynamic loading was much more effective as it says in the study: "The magnitude of the fluid forces is proportional to loading rate and this explains why bone is more sensitive to dynamic rather than static loading"
 
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Can i use a vibrator
 
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Just construct a machine to smack your face faster than you can react theory.
 
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:banhammer::banhammer::banhammer::banhammer:doing it rn with a hammer
 
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Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
View attachment 2945674
BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
View attachment 2945757
View attachment 2945693
σ=E⋅ε
  • σ is the stress
  • E is the Young's modulus
  • ε is the strain
Given:
  • E=13,500 mpa
  • ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6
Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2


877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
View attachment 2946151

What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.
Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.
  • Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
  • Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
  • Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
  • Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
  • Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
  • Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
  • Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
  • Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
  • Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
  • Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


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This content is not medical advice.
The content of this post, such as graphics, images, text and all other materials, is provided for reference and educational purposes only. The content is not meant to be complete or exhaustive or to be applicable to any specific individual's medical condition.
Hallo assumes no duty to correct or update the website nor to resolve or clarify any inconsistent information that might be a part of the website. This website contains health or medically related materials that can be considered sexually explicit.
This post is not an attempt to practice medicine or provide specific medical advice, and it should not be used to make a diagnosis or to replace or overrule a qualified health care provider's judgment. Users should not rely up this post for medical treatment. The content on this post is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always consult with a qualified and licensed physician or other medical care provider, and follow their advice without delay regardless of anything read on this website.
Use of programs on this post does not establish a doctor–patient relationship.
I am not responsible or liable for any claim, loss or damage resulting from its use by you or any user.
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Dynamic loading was much more effective as it says in the study: "The magnitude of the fluid forces is proportional to loading rate and this explains why bone is more sensitive to dynamic rather than static loading"
They say static, but a rubbing motion is not static
 
i bet somewhere down the line there is gonna be bone building massage machines that electrocute your skull at the same time
 
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They say static, but a rubbing motion is not static
Do you mean pressing something to the bone and rubbing? You originally just said "apply constant force" and did not mention rubbing.
 
Over for my low iq
 
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i bet somewhere down the line there is gonna be bone building massage machines that electrocute your skull at the same time
Something that you put ur face in every night and you come out with perfect bones. Born to early :feelswhy:
 
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Do you mean pressing something to the bone and rubbing? You originally just said "apply constant force" and did not mention rubbing.
Yes, I "bonesmash" by pressing my knuckle at varying angles and applying a strong force in a random rubbing motion
 
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Great post, mirin’ effort. Is there any safe way to bonesmash the infraorbital rim? Perhaps it could be done using a lower frequency and force over a longer period of time. Also, do you intend on using this method yourself? I’m sure your findings would get far more recognition on the forum if you posted a follow-up results post.
 
Yes, I "bonesmash" by pressing my knuckle at varying angles and applying a strong force in a random rubbing motion
Have you gotten any results?
 
Have you gotten any results?
Honestly I don't know, I never took any controlled pics but at times when the swelling is down it does seem different than before, talking mm's though.
 
Most bonesmashing posts and discussions have nothing substantive.




Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
View attachment 2945674
BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
View attachment 2945757
View attachment 2945693
σ=E⋅ε
  • σ is the stress
  • E is the Young's modulus
  • ε is the strain
Given:
  • E=13,500 mpa
  • ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6
Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2


877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
View attachment 2946151

What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.
Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.
  • Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
  • Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
  • Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
  • Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
  • Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
  • Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
  • Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
  • Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
  • Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
  • Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


Main Sources:
This content is not medical advice.
The content of this post, such as graphics, images, text and all other materials, is provided for reference and educational purposes only. The content is not meant to be complete or exhaustive or to be applicable to any specific individual's medical condition.
Hallo assumes no duty to correct or update the website nor to resolve or clarify any inconsistent information that might be a part of the website. This website contains health or medically related materials that can be considered sexually explicit.
This post is not an attempt to practice medicine or provide specific medical advice, and it should not be used to make a diagnosis or to replace or overrule a qualified health care provider's judgment. Users should not rely up this post for medical treatment. The content on this post is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always consult with a qualified and licensed physician or other medical care provider, and follow their advice without delay regardless of anything read on this website.
Use of programs on this post does not establish a doctor–patient relationship.
I am not responsible or liable for any claim, loss or damage resulting from its use by you or any user.
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G need a video demo °_-
 
Most bonesmashing posts and discussions have nothing substantive.




Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
View attachment 2945674
BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
View attachment 2945757
View attachment 2945693
σ=E⋅ε
  • σ is the stress
  • E is the Young's modulus
  • ε is the strain
Given:
  • E=13,500 mpa
  • ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6
Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2


877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
View attachment 2946151

What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.
Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.
  • Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
  • Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
  • Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
  • Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
  • Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
  • Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
  • Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
  • Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
  • Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
  • Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


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inb4 dnr

dnr (only the intro actually),too low iq to understand the graphs i personally use this saaar :
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Great post, mirin’ effort. Is there any safe way to bonesmash the infraorbital rim? Perhaps it could be done using a lower frequency and force over a longer period of time. Also, do you intend on using this method yourself? I’m sure your findings would get far more recognition on the forum if you posted a follow-up results post.
Higher frequency & lower force is what I think you mean. The only issue with the rim is the vessels. If you could identify those and move them out of the way or hit around them you should be good.
 
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Higher frequency & lower force is what I think you mean. The only issue with the rim is the vessels. If you could identify those and move them out of the way or hit around them you should be good.
What massage gun to use and is it safe to smash under the ramus and your supras?
 
Higher frequency & lower force is what I think you mean. The only issue with the rim is the vessels. If you could identify those and move them out of the way or hit around them you should be good.
U calculated 878N for 1cm^2 right, if u look at a hammer what would it's radius be I think 0.5cm (guessed, I'll measure when I get home), so the area will be even less than 1

If u Google search the average force a hammer exert to move a nail by 0.1cm inside a surface is 2500N, so u basically have to exert that much force and use narrower hammer and that should be enough right
 
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Most bonesmashing posts and discussions have nothing substantive.




Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
View attachment 2945674
BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
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σ=E⋅ε
  • σ is the stress
  • E is the Young's modulus
  • ε is the strain
Given:
  • E=13,500 mpa
  • ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6
Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2


877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
View attachment 2946151

What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.
Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.
  • Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
  • Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
  • Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
  • Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
  • Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
  • Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
  • Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
  • Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
  • Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
  • Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


Main Sources:
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The content of this post, such as graphics, images, text and all other materials, is provided for reference and educational purposes only. The content is not meant to be complete or exhaustive or to be applicable to any specific individual's medical condition.
Hallo assumes no duty to correct or update the website nor to resolve or clarify any inconsistent information that might be a part of the website. This website contains health or medically related materials that can be considered sexually explicit.
This post is not an attempt to practice medicine or provide specific medical advice, and it should not be used to make a diagnosis or to replace or overrule a qualified health care provider's judgment. Users should not rely up this post for medical treatment. The content on this post is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always consult with a qualified and licensed physician or other medical care provider, and follow their advice without delay regardless of anything read on this website.
Use of programs on this post does not establish a doctor–patient relationship.
I am not responsible or liable for any claim, loss or damage resulting from its use by you or any user.
inb4 dnr

Legittt thread:love:
 
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This is such a good thread

I got results from using a massage gun with a hammer attachment :feelshmm::feelshmm:
 
How many times a week to do this
 
This is such a good thread

I got results from using a massage gun with a hammer attachment :feelshmm::feelshmm:
How tf did u contrap that without it fallimg off?
 
Wtf i didnt mean to send it that many times wtf happenr
 
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  • Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
kys tranny groomer, I'm not taking HRT you bastard benchod
 
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  • Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
kys tranny groomer, I'm not taking HRT you bastard benchod
LMAOOO that was a joke for lowiq cels. Opposite is true for bones obviously. Test = dimorphism (flaring of the gonians, brow-ridge development, etc)
 
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LMAOOO that was a joke for lowiq cels. Opposite is true for bones obviously. Test = dimorphism (flaring of the gonians, brow-ridge development, etc)
we poles are white lol
 
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