Bonesmashing can work but it requires some setup (guide & scientific proof) GTFIH

[yyamann]

beautiful thread

 

[hallo]

beautiful thread

 

[LilJojo]

Most bonesmashing posts and discussions have nothing substantive.

Spoiler: Mandatory Thread Reading Music

Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
View attachment 2945674
BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
View attachment 2945757
View attachment 2945693

Spoiler: Calculations

σ=E⋅ε

• σ is the stress
• E is the Young's modulus
• ε is the strain

Given:

• E=13,500 mpa
• ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6

Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2

877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
View attachment 2946151

Spoiler: Bonesmashing Scar Tissue

What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.

Spoiler: Supplements

Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.

• Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
• Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
• Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
• Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
• Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
• Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
• Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
• Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
• Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
• Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


Main Sources:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4467092/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743123/

This content is not medical advice.
The content of this post, such as graphics, images, text and all other materials, is provided for reference and educational purposes only. The content is not meant to be complete or exhaustive or to be applicable to any specific individual's medical condition.
Hallo assumes no duty to correct or update the website nor to resolve or clarify any inconsistent information that might be a part of the website. This website contains health or medically related materials that can be considered sexually explicit.
This post is not an attempt to practice medicine or provide specific medical advice, and it should not be used to make a diagnosis or to replace or overrule a qualified health care provider's judgment. Users should not rely up this post for medical treatment. The content on this post is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always consult with a qualified and licensed physician or other medical care provider, and follow their advice without delay regardless of anything read on this website.
Use of programs on this post does not establish a doctor–patient relationship.
I am not responsible or liable for any claim, loss or damage resulting from its use by you or any user.
inb4 dnr

Hitting your cheekbones with a hammer randomly every 30 minutes with difference pressure each hit will NOT help you. There’s a reason you can’t expand the palate without screws. Pressure to the bone outside will not change it. Only inside. Fucking retard

 

[hallo]

Hitting your cheekbones with a hammer randomly every 30 minutes with difference pressure each hit will NOT help you. There’s a reason you can’t expand the palate without screws. Pressure to the bone outside will not change it. Only inside. Fucking retard

What gave you the idea that I would want the pressure to be changing each hit?
Expanding the palate is a completely different process, and you bringing that up shows how lowiq you really are. Palate expansion involves a split across the sutures, which of course requires a pulling apparatus.

Two completely different things

Pressure to the bone outside will not change it. Only inside. Fucking retard

This was so dumb I am not even going to waste my time breaking it down for you.

 

[DR. NICKGA]

This thread is like a wolf in sheep clothing

It look good writen, it looks like its gonna work
But NO, you gonna break you face

 

[hallo]

This thread is like a wolf in sheep clothing

It look good writen, it looks like its gonna work
But NO, you gonna break you face

Well tbh 8.75 N of force are light taps which cannot break your face.

 

[DR. NICKGA]

Well tbh 8.75 N of force are light taps which cannot break your face.

Well try it on you own, report the results

Preferable bone scans on you whole face

 

[hallo]

Well try it on you own, report the results

Preferable bone scans on you whole face

Maybe ill do a spot on my wrist, and ask my radiology bros to do a scan. I don't want to add any projection anywhere on my face.

 

[5’6 Darktriad]

Most bonesmashing posts and discussions have nothing substantive.

Spoiler: Mandatory Thread Reading Music

Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
View attachment 2945674
BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
View attachment 2945757
View attachment 2945693

Spoiler: Calculations

σ=E⋅ε

• σ is the stress
• E is the Young's modulus
• ε is the strain

Given:

• E=13,500 mpa
• ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6

Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2

877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
View attachment 2946151

Spoiler: Bonesmashing Scar Tissue

What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.

Spoiler: Supplements

Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.

• Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
• Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
• Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
• Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
• Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
• Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
• Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
• Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
• Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
• Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


Main Sources:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4467092/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743123/

This content is not medical advice.
The content of this post, such as graphics, images, text and all other materials, is provided for reference and educational purposes only. The content is not meant to be complete or exhaustive or to be applicable to any specific individual's medical condition.
Hallo assumes no duty to correct or update the website nor to resolve or clarify any inconsistent information that might be a part of the website. This website contains health or medically related materials that can be considered sexually explicit.
This post is not an attempt to practice medicine or provide specific medical advice, and it should not be used to make a diagnosis or to replace or overrule a qualified health care provider's judgment. Users should not rely up this post for medical treatment. The content on this post is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always consult with a qualified and licensed physician or other medical care provider, and follow their advice without delay regardless of anything read on this website.
Use of programs on this post does not establish a doctor–patient relationship.
I am not responsible or liable for any claim, loss or damage resulting from its use by you or any user.
inb4 dnr

What type of massage gun ? Can link some video/photos elaborating on how to use it and how to attach hard objects to it like a hammer for better results ?

 

[cr7mane]

this looks very good, but are the effects permanent or do they constantly need the pressure to maintain the growth?

 

[cr7mane]

@hallo

 

[Funnyunenjoyer1]

Most bonesmashing posts and discussions have nothing substantive.

Spoiler: Mandatory Thread Reading Music

Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
View attachment 2945674
BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
View attachment 2945757
View attachment 2945693

Spoiler: Calculations

σ=E⋅ε

• σ is the stress
• E is the Young's modulus
• ε is the strain

Given:

• E=13,500 mpa
• ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6

Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2

877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
View attachment 2946151

Spoiler: Bonesmashing Scar Tissue

What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.

Spoiler: Supplements

Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.

• Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
• Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
• Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
• Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
• Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
• Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
• Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
• Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
• Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
• Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


Main Sources:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4467092/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743123/

This content is not medical advice.
The content of this post, such as graphics, images, text and all other materials, is provided for reference and educational purposes only. The content is not meant to be complete or exhaustive or to be applicable to any specific individual's medical condition.
Hallo assumes no duty to correct or update the website nor to resolve or clarify any inconsistent information that might be a part of the website. This website contains health or medically related materials that can be considered sexually explicit.
This post is not an attempt to practice medicine or provide specific medical advice, and it should not be used to make a diagnosis or to replace or overrule a qualified health care provider's judgment. Users should not rely up this post for medical treatment. The content on this post is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always consult with a qualified and licensed physician or other medical care provider, and follow their advice without delay regardless of anything read on this website.
Use of programs on this post does not establish a doctor–patient relationship.
I am not responsible or liable for any claim, loss or damage resulting from its use by you or any user.
inb4 dnr

highiqcel, does chewing also helps regenerating new bone like adding some bone to ramus?

 

[Funnyunenjoyer1]

ple

Most bonesmashing posts and discussions have nothing substantive.

Spoiler: Mandatory Thread Reading Music

Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
View attachment 2945674
BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
View attachment 2945757
View attachment 2945693

Spoiler: Calculations

σ=E⋅ε

• σ is the stress
• E is the Young's modulus
• ε is the strain

Given:

• E=13,500 mpa
• ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6

Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2

877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
View attachment 2946151

Spoiler: Bonesmashing Scar Tissue

What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.

Spoiler: Supplements

Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.

• Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
• Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
• Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
• Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
• Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
• Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
• Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
• Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
• Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
• Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


Main Sources:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4467092/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743123/

This content is not medical advice.
The content of this post, such as graphics, images, text and all other materials, is provided for reference and educational purposes only. The content is not meant to be complete or exhaustive or to be applicable to any specific individual's medical condition.
Hallo assumes no duty to correct or update the website nor to resolve or clarify any inconsistent information that might be a part of the website. This website contains health or medically related materials that can be considered sexually explicit.
This post is not an attempt to practice medicine or provide specific medical advice, and it should not be used to make a diagnosis or to replace or overrule a qualified health care provider's judgment. Users should not rely up this post for medical treatment. The content on this post is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always consult with a qualified and licensed physician or other medical care provider, and follow their advice without delay regardless of anything read on this website.
Use of programs on this post does not establish a doctor–patient relationship.
I am not responsible or liable for any claim, loss or damage resulting from its use by you or any user.
inb4 dnr

please post indepth guide too U gained a new follower

 

[ㅤㅤㅤㅤClavicular]

highiqcel, does chewing also helps regenerating new bone like adding some bone to ramus?

Forced mastication causes ramus growth yea

 

[Funnyunenjoyer1]

Forced mastication causes ramus growth yea

yeah I saw an xray of some black guy adding bone to his ramus just by excessive chewing

 

[Funnyunenjoyer1]

Forced mastication causes ramus growth yea

how much neuton of force you need for forced mastication to add bone to ramus?

 

[PsychoH]

Most bonesmashing posts and discussions have nothing substantive.

Spoiler: Mandatory Thread Reading Music

Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
View attachment 2945674
BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
View attachment 2945757
View attachment 2945693

Spoiler: Calculations

σ=E⋅ε

• σ is the stress
• E is the Young's modulus
• ε is the strain

Given:

• E=13,500 mpa
• ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6

Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2

877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
View attachment 2946151

Spoiler: Bonesmashing Scar Tissue

What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.

Spoiler: Supplements

Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.

• Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
• Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
• Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
• Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
• Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
• Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
• Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
• Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
• Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
• Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


Main Sources:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4467092/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743123/

This content is not medical advice.
The content of this post, such as graphics, images, text and all other materials, is provided for reference and educational purposes only. The content is not meant to be complete or exhaustive or to be applicable to any specific individual's medical condition.
Hallo assumes no duty to correct or update the website nor to resolve or clarify any inconsistent information that might be a part of the website. This website contains health or medically related materials that can be considered sexually explicit.
This post is not an attempt to practice medicine or provide specific medical advice, and it should not be used to make a diagnosis or to replace or overrule a qualified health care provider's judgment. Users should not rely up this post for medical treatment. The content on this post is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always consult with a qualified and licensed physician or other medical care provider, and follow their advice without delay regardless of anything read on this website.
Use of programs on this post does not establish a doctor–patient relationship.
I am not responsible or liable for any claim, loss or damage resulting from its use by you or any user.
inb4 dnr

bump good thread OP

 

[cr7mane]

Forced mastication causes ramus growth yea

do u know if the bone growth caused from bonesmashing is permanent or not?I heard in order to keep the new growth you need to consistently bonesmash, if not theyll go away.

 

[likenesss]

do u know if the bone growth caused from bonesmashing is permanent or not?I heard in order to keep the new growth you need to consistently bonesmash, if not theyll go away.

No nigger its not muscle

 

[cr7mane]

No nigger its not muscle

so it is permanent?sorry for asking again, i just want to be 100% sure.Thank you.

 

[hallo]

how much neuton of force you need for forced mastication to add bone to ramus?

I'll make another thread on this. Do you want to be tagged?

 

[hallo]

What type of massage gun ? Can link some video/photos elaborating on how to use it and how to attach hard objects to it like a hammer for better results ?

New thread coming i'll tag you

 

[cr7mane]

New thread coming i'll tag you

is it ok if im tagged as well, also I just wanted clarification from you because i believe ur the most trustworthy.Is the results from bonesmashing permanent?

 

[Bigmoneyballer]

10 Hz is 10 times per second. Also, it would be very inconsistent.

can't I just do it for 1 time per second for 10 minutes?

 

[Bigmoneyballer]

Yes, I "bonesmash" by pressing my knuckle at varying angles and applying a strong force in a random rubbing motion

does it show noticeable results?

 

[5’6 Darktriad]

New thread coming i'll tag you

Better make it good man i wanna fix my subhuman orbitals

 

[maarda]

New thread coming i'll tag you

Can you tag me too

 

[LilJojo]

Forced mastication causes ramus growth yea

In studies done on rats*

 

[MoreCopeMoreRope]

Most bonesmashing posts and discussions have nothing substantive.

Spoiler: Mandatory Thread Reading Music

Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
View attachment 2945674
BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
View attachment 2945757
View attachment 2945693

Spoiler: Calculations

σ=E⋅ε

• σ is the stress
• E is the Young's modulus
• ε is the strain

Given:

• E=13,500 mpa
• ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6

Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2

877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
View attachment 2946151

Spoiler: Bonesmashing Scar Tissue

What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.

Spoiler: Supplements

Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.

• Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
• Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
• Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
• Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
• Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
• Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
• Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
• Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
• Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
• Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


Main Sources:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4467092/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743123/

This content is not medical advice.
The content of this post, such as graphics, images, text and all other materials, is provided for reference and educational purposes only. The content is not meant to be complete or exhaustive or to be applicable to any specific individual's medical condition.
Hallo assumes no duty to correct or update the website nor to resolve or clarify any inconsistent information that might be a part of the website. This website contains health or medically related materials that can be considered sexually explicit.
This post is not an attempt to practice medicine or provide specific medical advice, and it should not be used to make a diagnosis or to replace or overrule a qualified health care provider's judgment. Users should not rely up this post for medical treatment. The content on this post is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always consult with a qualified and licensed physician or other medical care provider, and follow their advice without delay regardless of anything read on this website.
Use of programs on this post does not establish a doctor–patient relationship.
I am not responsible or liable for any claim, loss or damage resulting from its use by you or any user.
inb4 dnr

Stop stealing the flow

 

[MrGentleman]

Is there a way to reverse bone smashing tho? I’ve hit my brow ridge with the roof of my car and my eyes look unsymmetrical since 2 weeks, please help

 

[drxkes]

Most bonesmashing posts and discussions have nothing substantive.

Spoiler: Mandatory Thread Reading Music

Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
View attachment 2945674
BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
View attachment 2945757
View attachment 2945693

Spoiler: Calculations

σ=E⋅ε

• σ is the stress
• E is the Young's modulus
• ε is the strain

Given:

• E=13,500 mpa
• ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6

Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2

877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
View attachment 2946151

Spoiler: Bonesmashing Scar Tissue

What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.

Spoiler: Supplements

Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.

• Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
• Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
• Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
• Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
• Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
• Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
• Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
• Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
• Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
• Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


Main Sources:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4467092/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743123/

This content is not medical advice.
The content of this post, such as graphics, images, text and all other materials, is provided for reference and educational purposes only. The content is not meant to be complete or exhaustive or to be applicable to any specific individual's medical condition.
Hallo assumes no duty to correct or update the website nor to resolve or clarify any inconsistent information that might be a part of the website. This website contains health or medically related materials that can be considered sexually explicit.
This post is not an attempt to practice medicine or provide specific medical advice, and it should not be used to make a diagnosis or to replace or overrule a qualified health care provider's judgment. Users should not rely up this post for medical treatment. The content on this post is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always consult with a qualified and licensed physician or other medical care provider, and follow their advice without delay regardless of anything read on this website.
Use of programs on this post does not establish a doctor–patient relationship.
I am not responsible or liable for any claim, loss or damage resulting from its use by you or any user.
inb4 dnr

based is it proven the bones actually grow back denser though and how much improvement can you expect

 

[yoshisand]

Most bonesmashing posts and discussions have nothing substantive.

Spoiler: Mandatory Thread Reading Music

Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
View attachment 2945674
BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
View attachment 2945757
View attachment 2945693

Spoiler: Calculations

σ=E⋅ε

• σ is the stress
• E is the Young's modulus
• ε is the strain

Given:

• E=13,500 mpa
• ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6

Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2

877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
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Spoiler: Bonesmashing Scar Tissue

What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.

Spoiler: Supplements

Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.

• Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
• Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
• Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
• Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
• Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
• Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
• Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
• Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
• Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
• Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


Main Sources:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4467092/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743123/

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inb4 dnr

Gonions safe?

 

[Deleted member 71223]

Most bonesmashing posts and discussions have nothing substantive.

Spoiler: Mandatory Thread Reading Music

Terms:
Osteocytes = Regulate where to make new bone.
Osteoblasts = Make new bone.
Osteoclasts = Dissolve and break down old or damaged bone.
Process:
As force is applied to the bone, fluid is pushed back and forth through space surrounding the osteocytes. The fluid has viscosity that creates stress on the osteocyte cell membrane and drag forces on the extracellular tethering proteins.
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BTW this study basically put human and rat arm bones in a machine that bent it a certain amount.

Osteoclasts target microcracks within bone tissue preferentially and remove compromised bone tissue. The damaged tissue is then replaced by new bone tissue. If damage accumulates faster than the tissue can be repaired, larger microcracks develop and propagate to form a stress fracture (we don't want that).

I examined the information in the study and determined the amount of force required to achieve bone hypertrophy on facial bones given a young's modulus of 13,500 Megapascal (MPa).
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Spoiler: Calculations

σ=E⋅ε

• σ is the stress
• E is the Young's modulus
• ε is the strain

Given:

• E=13,500 mpa
• ε=650 microstrain = 650×10−6650×10−6

Let's calculate the stress first:

σ=13,500×106Pa×650×10−6

σ=13,500×650Pa

σ=8,775,000Pa

Next, we need to find the force (F). Stress is defined as force per unit area (A):

σ=FA

Rearranging for F:

F=σ⋅A

F=877.5N for 1 cm^2

877.5 N would fuck you up so lets use 1mm^2 instead with would give you 8.775 Newtons.

TLDR: At the highest frequency (10 Hz) you would need to strike the bone with a object with the surface area of 1mm^2 with the force of 8.775 Newtons for 60 seconds and then rest for 8 hours.
This can only maybe be accomplished with a massage gun with something like a basketball needle attached to the end. To me it seems like you would have to seriously overshoot the force and time in order to compensate for all the underlying tissue that occlude the bone.

I actually see a way to do this at home with a masagegun, smartphone, and other household items. I can post a in-depth guide if there is interest. Most likely I will increase the surface area and therefore the force because a BBall needle would cause damage.
View attachment 2946151

Spoiler: Bonesmashing Scar Tissue

What I think is more likely to produce filling results is increasing scar tissue volume, which is 100% proven to work. I will elaborate if there is interest. Also, if you train MMA and you feel bumps along your shin it may be a bone spur but you cannot introduce that force to your facial bones, which are less dense and prone to breaking. In addition, a-lot of current bone smashing methods are imprecise -> you can't produce aesthetic results.

Spoiler: Supplements

Parathyroid Hormone (PTH):PTH is secreted by the parathyroid glands to increase blood calcium levels. It acts directly on bones and kidneys and indirectly on intestines via vitamin D. When blood calcium levels are low, PTH release increases, enhancing osteoclast activity through RANKL, leading to more calcium in the plasma. High calcium levels inhibit PTH release through CaSR, reducing bone resorption.

Estrogen:Estrogen deficiency leads to increased bone resorption, reducing bone mass. Estrogen influences factors regulating osteoblasts and osteoclasts, blocking IL-6 production, which hinders bone resorption. Osteoclast survival increases without estrogen, accelerating bone turnover.

Calcitonin:Released from thyroid C cells in response to high calcium levels, calcitonin inhibits osteoclast activity, reducing bone resorption. While it plays a minor role in adult calcium homeostasis, it is significant in childhood skeletal development and can treat osteoporosis.

Growth Hormone (GH):GH, secreted by the pituitary gland, stimulates bone formation and resorption via IGF. It promotes osteoblast proliferation and osteoclastic activity, favoring overall bone formation.

Glucocorticoids:These hormones decrease bone formation by enhancing osteoclast survival and causing osteoblast death. They increase RANKL action and decrease osteoprotegerin (OPG), which usually inhibits RANKL-RANK interaction, thus promoting bone resorption.

Thyroid Hormone:Thyroid hormones (TSH, T4, T3) stimulate osteoblastic activity and bone elongation at the epiphyseal plate. Hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism affect bone turnover rates, with high thyroid hormone levels increasing both osteoblast and osteoclast activity, leading to higher bone turnover.

• Calcium: Essential for bone health, calcium is directly involved in bone formation and maintenance. Ensuring adequate calcium intake can help support bone mineral density and strength.
• Vitamin D: Facilitates calcium absorption in the intestines and plays a role in bone remodeling. Adequate levels of vitamin D are crucial for maintaining optimal calcium levels in the bloodstream.
• Vitamin K2: Works synergistically with vitamin D to ensure that calcium is deposited in the bones rather than in the arteries. Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin, a protein that binds calcium to the bone matrix.
• Magnesium: Necessary for converting vitamin D into its active form, magnesium also supports calcium absorption and bone mineralization.
• Estrogen (or Phytoestrogens): For individuals with estrogen deficiency, phytoestrogens (found in soy products and flaxseeds) or hormone replacement therapy (under medical supervision) can help reduce bone resorption and support bone density.
• Collagen: The primary protein in bones, collagen supplements may help support bone structure and integrity.
• Boron: A trace mineral that supports the metabolism of minerals involved in bone development, including calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
• Zinc: Essential for bone tissue renewal and mineralization, zinc also supports the activity of osteoblasts, the cells responsible for bone formation.
• Strontium: A mineral that has been shown to help improve bone density by stimulating osteoblast activity and reducing osteoclast activity.
• Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Found in fish oil, omega-3s can reduce inflammation and support bone formation by enhancing osteoblast activity and reducing bone resorption

How to do:
1. Take massage gun
2. Record the gun oscillating in slow motion with your phone against a ruler backdrop.
3. With the video and high-school physics you can gather the acceleration and frequency that it produces.
4. Weigh the end tip and you can get the force in newtons as well. F = MA
5. If it is not roughly 10 Hz and 8.89 N of force than add weight to the tip and remeasure.
6. Attach blunt object with 1mm^2 of surface area at the tip.
7. Find a spot you can repeatedly hit. Maybe by measuring from landmarks. For ex: 2cm from the right eyebrow and down 5 cm.
8. Smoke crack
9. Hit for 60 seconds and rest 8 hours.
10. Obviously it is nonnegotiable to not hit arteries, veins, etc. Use a stethoscope or your finger to listen for pulses. A red light can also elucidate vessels. Choose a spot that has minimal fat. NOTHING UNDER THE EYE. If you see discoloration stop immediately.


Main Sources:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4467092/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743123/

This content is not medical advice.
The content of this post, such as graphics, images, text and all other materials, is provided for reference and educational purposes only. The content is not meant to be complete or exhaustive or to be applicable to any specific individual's medical condition.
Hallo assumes no duty to correct or update the website nor to resolve or clarify any inconsistent information that might be a part of the website. This website contains health or medically related materials that can be considered sexually explicit.
This post is not an attempt to practice medicine or provide specific medical advice, and it should not be used to make a diagnosis or to replace or overrule a qualified health care provider's judgment. Users should not rely up this post for medical treatment. The content on this post is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Always consult with a qualified and licensed physician or other medical care provider, and follow their advice without delay regardless of anything read on this website.
Use of programs on this post does not establish a doctor–patient relationship.
I am not responsible or liable for any claim, loss or damage resulting from its use by you or any user.
inb4 dnr

Can I bone smash my infras very lightly and carefully and get growth?

 

[Dickdazzler]

Ok, i trust the phyiscs, but how will we measure about 9 newtons? is it like some impulse -momentum calculation? run those calculations for me high iq cel

 

[Dickdazzler]

Can I bone smash my infras very lightly and carefully and get growth?

yeah

 

[Deleted member 71223]

yeah

It’s been working, getting more compliments on my eyes

 

[rickysalomano]

why not undereye

 

[alpslover]

why not undereye

Shit ton of nerves and hard to fracture