Botched by GIANT Implants in turkey

[Xx_gloomy_bison_xX]

@pat you can get a neck lift eventually to get rid of bulging skin and maybe dermaroller/fractional CO2 laser to get rid of scars

 

[fika2]

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Man how do u look this and think this nigga isn’t retarded.

@RealSurgerymax

can you respond to this point?

How did this happen? Is this normal?

 

[fika2]

I’m glad you brought up this massive problem. When someone does surgery and there is a problem after (which there most likely will be), then you are completely dependent on them to solve it. Desperate.

I’ve had this and it is a killer. Other surgeons most likely won’t help either. And you may be locked away in the house for a long time before a solution. Not to mention ongoing infection etc. and treated like it will be your fault.

well theres always a risk of infection. there are things that can be done to help reduce the odds but its a risk everyone is made aware of that is mostly out of everyone's control. with that being said if this guy got ecoli and giant said "ill wash your mouth out myself" that makes it sound like this may have been preventable and that it was someones fault. i wish @RealSurgerymax responded to this point :/

 

[fika2]

@pat you can get a neck lift eventually to get rid of bulging skin and maybe dermaroller/fractional CO2 laser to get rid of scars

derma roller isnt doing anything, ive had a CO2 lazer, they prob wont do anything for this. and I think the extra skin is due to the infection. he needs to wait for the infection to go away and heal before assessing his options

 

[fika2]

Only reasonable place I would get fillers on is on the ramus

But still

The risks of fillers are greatly inferior to implants

Giant bashes on Fillers claiming it always look like shit, isnt that funny

filler is for idiots. do some more research bahi. don't mess ur face up

 

[fika2]

did this guy already had surgery in the past and wanted to go bigger with his implants ? @pat

did u not read the thread or something

 

[fika2]

The fit issues on the implants are strange. Did you give him an out of date CT? It shouldn’t be possible to have fit issues like that.

I didnt even consider this. i really want giant to respond to the implant fit issues cuz that shouldn't happen

 

[Heightpilldealer]

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posting this thread after hearing about another patient of giants with irreversable nerve damage on another thread.

im not here to win people over or people to tell me what i should do moving forward. the damage done by giant to my face has already been done. i can only speak of my experience. take what you will from it. but i must emphasise the kind of person he is. i find giant aka lia, an egotistical narcissist who thrives off winning and he does not care who he hurts on the way to the top. he is a person who gaslighted me , constantly changed the narrative to suit himself. delayed everything, stood me up in another country after confirming my revision surgery and refused to take any accountability of his actions. this guy isnt even dr and acts like one. 27 year old who is and was still studying while i was getting a medical service from him. from what ive been told by others its biology and a course he failed at messina university under his belt. he is a fraud and a liar. and ive caught him out so many times.

to summerise, i had facial implants. replace jaw, cheeks chin, supraorbitals. most were misplaced and botched. at first i thought it was the cheeks and chin. i later learned from expert dr the jaw is too. giant aka liam, bill, william, (whatever the hell hes name is) admiited the implants were not placed, positioned and designed well. he pointed out that while it did look good on the scans and renders it did not in real life. a revision was offered,my case was prioritised and it never happened. and he led me on and on and on to the point of no return. i was stood up in another country while he was busy partying his life away in thailand. he is not the real deal in my opinion and not as good as his ego says he is. ask him about revisions? he wont tell you that you are on your own after surgery, the turkish drs wont care about you, youve already left the country, giant wont care, he taken your money hes onto the next. you will eventually disapear and when you decide to speak up he will use his fancy words and theories and make shit up as he goes to protect his reputation. there was a point where giant threatened to sue me ( his very own paying patient) because he simple would not give me any answers and he couldnt handle the simple tasks. but the cracks are starting to appear. i was a patient and paid alot of money. up to 40k to be exact and now i have lost it all and left with a worse face than before. he simply doesnt care. another patient has irreversable nerve damage and giant most likely has ignored him, walks away from problems until they dissapear. other drs know of him they believe he takes things too far. he is young., he is learning and he cannot be trusted or be taken as a surgeon. turkey is his playground due to its lax laws and his crony drs are loving the exposure they are getting at the expense of cashed up foreigners with the promise of a better apperance. dont fall for it. he is training on you.

when i told a clinical psycologist ( who is a aquaintance of mine) about my experiance and what i have been going through she knew exactly what i was going through. she says these are the typical traits of a extreme narcisist who is seeing this as a game and enjoying every minute of control he has over you. i was woken up to this psycological trauma by her and she advised that i need to walk away because this guy will not do what he set out he will do. as long as i am seen as weak and inferior then he will continue to play these games.. but me being nice i gave gaint the benefit of the doubt time and time again. i felt like a fool trying to get a simple hello back and answers regarding my case and getting a simple update on what is going on. this shit dragged on for over a year. we all know giant has the worst communication in the world. you may be wondering why hung around so long if i didnt trust him? guys trust me. when you pay up to 40000 dollars on something you are stuck with them and want to get your moneys worth. its not easy to drop everything and go to someone else.

surgically and design wise this guy single handedly vertically shortened my face destroying my facial thirds, widened my cheekbones beyond comprehension making me look like lil kim/jigsaw, upon waking i could feel a lump under my eye and knew straight away something was wrong because the infraorbital was extremely tender to touch. not to mention my tooth crown was knocked off by the surgeon, bloated out my whole midface with his awful cheek design (which i was told was highset with strongest eminence), misplaced and poorly designed my jaw implants which could have been placed better and EVEN, placed my chin wonky and offcentre and made my once decent lower third into a jawline with huge step off, no smooth contour and with sloppy incision work (by the surgeon). not to mention my suprarbitals are pressing down on my eyes givng me an aged,neandathal appearence. he didnt blend the jaw and chin flaps which creates a cartoonish rojar ramjet like chin with a deep labiomental fold. the chin almots looks "stuck on". why do i know this? because im currently consulting with other experts and these are their findings. giant destroyed any harmony i had in my face, threw off all the proportions and did what he wanted to do. my result is not the result of someone who calls himself the world greatest most experienced i private mplant designer of all time. false..

dont be fooled. the 2d renders are giants selling point. but in real life i looked terrible. i had to put a mask on to leave the house. i was mortified. in one of the attachments you can see i send giant a photo of how i dont want my cheeks to look like. well let me tell you. he made them even worse. you can see he wrote back saying " i have studied his look, about what NOT to do". my previous cheek implants which were done by the iconic dr eppley were much higher and smaller. after giants work i looked like i had multiple pronouns. looking back. my previous semi custom made cheek implants and previous jaw implants were much better.

i had a infection and lab results came back as ECOLI (yuck) inside my cheek bone which according to my drs , was done In the OR in turkey and a surgical skin infection on my right jaw which caused soft tissue damage and ongoing fluid drainage. basically my operation was doomed from the start. it was a shitstorm.. literally.

aesthetically, i want to point out that if you look at my jawline even if i didnt have a soft tissue problem take a look at giants lousy attempt at creating a better jawline or matching it. he completly DECIMATED my mandible with his ego and design. " dont worry everything looks perfect, you will love it, its a much better contour than what you have now, you are one of my favourite cases". check out the step off, the shape of the jawimplant which was made worse than my previous, the angle of the jaw, the deep cut under my chin where i have a chunk of skin missing. and the deep labiomental fold and my midface laxity. all of which i had NONE of before him and his surgeon touched me. there was zero finesse in this surgery by him and the surgeon. i thought i had worse surgery but this one takes the cake. the top part of the photo is me prior to surgery, and the bottom half is the after. a complete mess. and he has the audacity to call me difficult when he is suppose to be the expert. give me a break. what an unsult to plastic and max fax surgeons who dedicate decades into their craft and expertise.

attached you will see my scans taken soon after surgery. wonky chin, off centre, right jaw not positioned the same as left. right jaw and chin flaps not even on the bone, left cheek majorly misplaced and supraorbitals extremely low. they may seem normal under the Ct scan but in real life the issues are magnified.

i have hundreds of screenshots to prove my point and voice recordings. i never got my revision and people need to take note that this can and will happen to you. your money will be gone to some tik tok famous designer, and youll be left on read for months years and wont be prioritised. all i ever wanted was some guidance, hope, direction and some validation regarding my case. instead i was made to feel inferior, constantly walking on eggshells, at times often sucking up to him because i felt like i had to, cancelling my whole life because i was living in false hope that today is the day he will start my design and talk to me on zoom. a revision date was finally confirmed 13 months after the initial surgery and giant stood me up. he deliberatly stopped responding to my messeges up to a month leading to my operation date and blocked me from viewing his stories and left me on read. even though i had important details to be confirmed such as renders and finilisation of designs. he loved stringing me alone and when i told him i was in istanbul for my surgery he replied with " HOWS THAT". he was suppsed to be there but he was in thailand partying into the moonlight. this guy never did my case. he gatekeeped the whole thing from me and eventually he got what he wanted which was avoiding a revision and paying for his implants. which mind you he does a quick trip to france to pick them up because apparently when he sends them to turkey their customs department holds them and doesnt release them quickly. wierd.

when things get tough , he flys off to another country and when you ask him to do something he promised to do he will say things like " im too sick today to do anything, almost, soon, youre so close to finishing dont worry, its not a rush, you need to relax". he is a master manipulator and deflector. i was in istanbul coincedentely couple of months ago and i decided to extend an olive branch to him after he fucked me over. we were 5 minutes away from each other and i proposed. to him to meet me at the lobby and get this shit sorted once and for all. and ding dong. he confirmed to meet me then the next morning he bailed, citing that he was sick and meeting a friend. i then proposed i will meet him on zoom that night or day after. again. he stopped replying and left me on read. i asked myself why the fuck am i so stupid for falling these games again and i need to snap the fuck out of it. the ptsd i was getting from going through it again was enough. i officially gave up and now i am not going back. and i should have woken up to myself and broken free from giants shackles a very long time ago. he is disingenuine and the whole experiance with him was insufferable from start to finish.

when i ask him simple questions he would further demorilise me and send me his hidous green monster emojis. it was like talking to a 5 year old.
he would always say things like " there is noone ahead of you, you are the next case, its not a rush, youre on the verge of finishing, im sending you everything tonight". there is even a voice note i have of him telling me " you know i usually dont work weekends but this weekend im going to work on YOU". i said " thankyou thankyou thankyou!. well a couple of days had passed i was like kid at xmas waiting for my gift. he simply had nothing for me. when i told him that he literally told me he will be finished by the end of the weekend he said " yes but that doesnt mean i am finished". honestly wtf. how stupid does he think i am. something is going on with his mind man. I find it really hard to believe that for 12 months he did nothing and noone. or could it be that he is lazy and doesnt work at all. each theory is probable.

you will see in the attachments ( there is a limit of only 25 , i have hundreds) towards the end of the year leading up my surgery he completly ghosted me. i had booked a non refundable flight ( after he approved on it), scheduled and confirmed the surgery with drs assistant , ofcourse giant had confirmed the surgery date and that i am able to book my ticket and said that " he wil be ready". yes there were alot of messeges and in between those messeges i could see him being active on social media. in those weeks i got nothing, i was promised renders, finalisations of implants, everything. i got absolutley nothing. he gatekeeped everything including my designs and enjoyed watching me spiral because i just spent al this money on a flight and hotels. he further had the audacity to finally write back and say he is delayed by 5 or 6 days and that i should extend my trip or cancel my flight. knowing that i had booked a non refundable ticket. i stayed all that time and he further ghosted me. i want to point out that he never showed me the important details of the new design. he would show me one picture and thats it. i asked so many times pictures and measurements of all the other angles and a superimposed pic of the my previous and new implants so i can compare and work out with him what will work and what wont. he dangled this shit over me like i was a dog so i would literally beg for more. no medical ethical provider does that to anyone..

to make matter worse. i had gotten a random face rating by a looksmax expert about 4 years ago. i decided to get another one after giant did my implants. well not to my surprise my ratings went down on some important areas that weren't as issue previously. but i knew that already. i didnt need someone to tell me what went wrong.

there was also a time where i contacted paypal to dispute my payment i made to giant because he did not start my revision case and he was taking me for a ride. he quickly argued against the chargeback to paypal and got his way out of it. i decided he would finally take this seriously and cancelled the dispute. well to noones surprise he was back to his old behaviour and nothing changed.

giant cancels people and fires clients who don't agree with him. simple as that. i am not trusting someone like that ever again. thank god for ethical drs who actually look after you and validate your concerns. lets not forget earlier this year he posted a picture of someones implants on his stories and i quote he said " this case was cancelled because the patient was sending sassy emails, dont do that". noone in their right mind does that unless its someone with a god complex. on the spectrum? probably. ill even go as far as thinking that giant does mock up designs and renders on any ct scan he can find, posts them on social media and calls it a upcoming or completed "case". who knows..

where are the other patients? a guy called chip posted about his irreversable nerve damage and giant hasnt reached out by the looks of it. more people will speak up. dont worry. i am sure we are some of many botched cases.

i wont be surprised in the slightest he will defend every single thing i have said. i dont give a shit anymore. this is MY truth and i will not be silenced. and after hundreds of people begging me to do a thread. you guys finally have it. do your due diligance and do you research. i wish i went to a proper provider. attachments below are only small snippits and extremely compressed version to support my review.

This post made me realize I need to change career paths I'm just gonna become a plastic surgeon and botch all you niggers

 

[fika2]

One thing I want to know is that was the design flawed or the execution of the plan by surgeon? Also who was your surgeon?

same. i think thats really important. it looks like a design issue when it comes to the implant misplacement

 

[pat]

@RealSurgerymax

can you respond to this point?

How did this happen? Is this normal?

misplacing cheek implants isnt normal (fyi the cheeks were wider beyond the jaw and not as high as my previous ones)
misplacing chin implant isnt normal
why bother getting custom implants at all when it cant even be executed properly.
he suggested that a wrap around style for the next surgery would be much better in my case re jaw.. why the hell was this not offered the first time if he was the expert. its very easy to say that after the surgery is done. theres no room for error considering how much he bangs on about how precise he is and how much he trash talks other drs designs befoe the patient came to him. dont blame the patient for design he paid a "professional" for.

 

[fika2]

misplacing cheek implants isnt normal (fyi the cheeks were wider beyond the jaw and not as high as my previous ones)
misplacing chin implant isnt normal
why bother getting custom implants at all when it cant even be executed properly.
he suggested that a wrap around style for the next surgery would be much better in my case re jaw.. why the hell was this not offered the first time if he was the expert. its very easy to say that after the surgery is done. theres no room for error considering how much he bangs on about how precise he is and how much he trash talks other drs designs befoe the patient came to him. dont blame the patient for design he paid a "professional" for.

yeah my thoughts exactly.

to be honest, after reviewing your messages, I do think you had unrealistic expectations and were ignorant of the risks but at the same time. as you said misplaced implants are pretty insane and he does always talk about how precise he is. I really want to know if this is a surgeon issue or a designer issue. and if it is a surgeon issue I would really like some clarity on if he's going to continue to use this surgeon who fucked up the placement.

 

[pat]

t

yeah my thoughts exactly.

to be honest, after reviewing your messages, I do think you had unrealistic expectations and were ignorant of the risks but at the same time. as you said misplaced implants are pretty insane and he does always talk about how precise he is. I really want to know if this is a surgeon issue or a designer issue. and if it is a surgeon issue I would really like some clarity on if he's going to continue to use this surgeon who fucked up the placement.

thats totally fine im not here for anyone to believe me, im only sharing my experience at the request of many. they were both there in the OR working on me. infact hes very particular about how he must be there to guide the drs on exactly how he wants it.... it takes two to tango.

 

[kana]

call me crazy but i feel like these implants are comically large, no wonder he looks so uncanny, looksmaxxing retards will never have a non skewed realistic view of modern beauty standards

yea surely a jaw that’s 5% wider then your cheekbones will look ideal

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

call me crazy but i feel like these implants are comically large, no wonder he looks so uncanny, looksmaxxing retards will never have a non skewed realistic view of modern beauty standards

yea surely a jaw that’s 5% wider then your cheekbones will look ideal

cope this is the ideal male. 3 fwhr is mogger

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

call me crazy but i feel like these implants are comically large, no wonder he looks so uncanny, looksmaxxing retards will never have a non skewed realistic view of modern beauty standards

yea surely a jaw that’s 5% wider then your cheekbones will look ideal

For real though, it looks super comical. Flared gonians are and always were a retarded PSL autist meme. They completely destroy any harmony and make you look like a bikeseat.

Also they look like they were installed by a child. look at this one, look at dem gaps

 

[kana]

For real though, it looks super comical. Flared gonians are and always were a retarded PSL autist meme.

Also they also look like they were installed by a child. look at this one, look at dem gaps

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wide jaw is kind of a .org retard meme, it’s more about jaw angularity and harmony rather then width and mass

a narrow defined jaw >>> a wide retarded ogre jaw

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

wide jaw is kind of a .org retard meme, it’s more about jaw angularity and harmony rather then width and mass

a narrow defined jaw >>> a wide retarded ogre jaw

100% agree

 

[pat]

call me crazy but i feel like these implants are comically large, no wonder he looks so uncanny, looksmaxxing retards will never have a non skewed realistic view of modern beauty standards

yea surely a jaw that’s 5% wider then your cheekbones will look ideal

For real though, it looks super comical. Flared gonians are and always were a retarded PSL autist meme.

Also they also look like they were installed by a child. look at this one, look at dem gaps

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my previous implant wrapped further down the mandible and my old chin implant wrapped around almost touching the jaw. HE took that away and made the gap even bigger and blames me for being extreme. so much for not taking extreme cases anymore but is quite happy to do a orbital box osteotomy and a 20 peice lefort like its a god damn jigsaw puzzle. i cant even..

i had a previous jaw implant in there and due to its nature i was told by previous plastic surgeons i am able to accomodate a similar size because they acted as a placeholder and the tissues would allow for it. hence why the size is on the larger side. but he totally disregarded the shape and style, positioning and execution of it. and the cheeks... well i cant even go there. they were an absolute trainwreck.

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

@Ape101 when will you post results niglet. we gotta see how you turned out

 

[fika2]

call me crazy but i feel like these implants are comically large, no wonder he looks so uncanny, looksmaxxing retards will never have a non skewed realistic view of modern beauty standards

yea surely a jaw that’s 5% wider then your cheekbones will look ideal

i think his picture with the implant in actually looks amazing. both with epplys and giants
His jaw is top tier in both pics

 

[pat]

i think his picture with the implant in actually looks amazing. both with epplys and giants
His jaw is top tier in both pics

fyi eppley did not do my jaw, although i wish he did. they were done over ten years ago by a dr who is now retired. my old cheek implants were done by eppley. but only semi custom made. and my god looking back they were a godsend compared to what giant gave me.

 

[fika2]

t

thats totally fine im not here for anyone to believe me, im only sharing my experience at the request of many. they were both there in the OR working on me. infact hes very particular about how he must be there to guide the drs on exactly how he wants it.... it takes two to tango.

no no, i believe you. it really does look like you did get done dirty with the lack of responses and the implant placement. but i also believe you are a surgery addict with unrealistic expectations and distorted views. I also believe you were uninformed when it comes to the risk of infection. its not necessarily his fault if he took all the proper precautions, but it seems like he admitted that he didn't take the steps to mitigate the infection risk

 

[fika2]

fyi eppley did not do my jaw, although i wish he did. they were done over ten years ago by a dr who is now retired. my old cheek implants were done by eppley. but only semi custom made. and my god looking back they were a godsend compared to what giant gave me.

did you have any issues with epply or either implant in terms of bone resorption or anything? I had my lips done with epply

 

[fika2]

t

thats totally fine im not here for anyone to believe me, im only sharing my experience at the request of many. they were both there in the OR working on me. infact hes very particular about how he must be there to guide the drs on exactly how he wants it.... it takes two to tango.

you should have mentioned this in the post. this changes a lot if its true. if he's responsible for the placement ,then there's no questioning if its his fault or the surgeon's. if he diesnged and made sure they placed it where he wanted it

 

[pat]

s

no no, i believe you. it really does look like you did get done dirty with the lack of responses and the implant placement. but i also believe you are a surgery addict with unrealistic expectations and distorted views. I also believe you were uninformed when it comes to the risk of infection. its not necessarily his fault if he took all the proper precautions, but it seems like he admitted that he didn't take the steps to mitigate the infection risk

and stringing someone along and leaving them stranded in another country and dropping any communication in the month leading up to surgery was the final blow for me. thats where i draw the line. noone deserves that and there is no excuse for it.

 

[PajeetHvnter]

firstly you are breaching patient trust by showing my photos. ill be forwarding this to my lawyer.

I checked with my lawyer before posting, that's why it took so long for me to respond. You are NOT free to say anything you want to cause intentional

Over if you have to explain to a lawyer what looksmax.org is and why its full of men arguing over which male models looks better

 

[pat]

did you have any issues with epply or either implant in terms of bone resorption or anything? I had my lips done with epply

i have no words for dr eppley. he is kind, gratious, brilliant in his field and i was very looked after.

 

[fika2]

s

and stringing someone along and leaving them stranded in another country and dropping any communication in the month leading up to surgery was the final blow for me. thats where i draw the line. noone deserves that and there is no excuse for it.

yeah i agree, he did mention it was a mistake but at the same time after realizing the mistake he should have gone above and beyond to fix it.

as a business owner this is what I do. big fuck ups are bound to happen eventually but its his responsibility to stay attentive and try to give you the best solution afterwards.

also to be fair on his end you seem like a hard person to deal with. especially if your going back and forth saying your going to other doctors and all this other bull shit.

i think your both in the wrong but I'm sideing with him more slightly just because I think you had improper expectations and didn't understand the potential risks / complications

but he also messed up in MANY ways

 

[pat]

yeah i agree, he did mention it was a mistake but at the same time after realizing the mistake he should have gone above and beyond to fix it.

as a business owner this is what I do. big fuck ups are bound to happen eventually but its his responsibility to stay attentive and try to give you the best solution afterwards.

also to be fair on his end you seem like a hard person to deal with. especially if your going back and forth saying your going to other doctors and all this other bull shit.

i think your both in the wrong but I'm sideing with him more slightly just because I think you had improper expectations and didn't understand the potential risks / complications

but he also messed up in MANY way

did you have any issues with epply or either implant in terms of bone resorption or anything? I had my lips done with epply

not that i know of. never had major issues with silastic implants. i didnt find titanium any better.

 

[pat]

i think his picture with the implant in actually looks amazing. both with epplys and giants
His jaw is top tier in both pics

under some great lights, holding the face up and tight, sucking your neck in and a beauty filter it looks passable. but really cant go past a poor design, submental and cheek laxity and a deep labiomental fold.

 

[ltnsyn]

low iq activities

 

[fika2]

my previous implant wrapped further down the mandible and my old chin implant wrapped around almost touching the jaw. HE took that away and made the gap even bigger and blames me for being extreme. so much for not taking extreme cases anymore but is quite happy to do a orbital box osteotomy and a 20 peice lefort like its a god damn jigsaw puzzle. i cant even..

i had a previous jaw implant in there and due to its nature i was told by previous plastic surgeons i am able to accomodate a similar size because they acted as a placeholder and the tissues would allow for it. hence why the size is on the larger side. but he totally disregarded the shape and style, positioning and execution of it. and the cheeks... well i cant even go there. they were an absolute trainwreck.

the 20 piece lefort is a meme and the orbital box osteotomy while its an extreme surgery its not a crazy over inflated result. your implant size look like they are from a cartoon

 

[pat]

the 20 piece lefort is a meme and the orbital box osteotomy while its an extreme surgery its not a crazy over inflated result. your implant size look like they are from a cartoon

fyi i didnt design these..

 

[lykoris]

MY GUY GOT IMPLANTS FROM A PEPE THE FROG AVI AND WONDERED WHY HE GOT BOTCHED

 

[chrishell]

under some great lights, holding the face up and tight, sucking your neck in and a beauty filter it looks passable. but really cant go past a poor design, submental and cheek laxity and a deep labiomental fold.

Can you describe the effect the implant itself and then the infection had on your midface soft tissues

 

[iblamemandible7]

MY GUY GOT IMPLANTS FROM A PEPE THE FROG AVI AND WONDERED WHY HE GOT BOTCHED

 

[loyolaxavvierretard]

I am sorry but what?
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I guess the intern who made this was not paid satisfactorily

 

[fika2]

fyi i didnt design these..

you approved of the design though correct? he didnt just showup and put these in your face without your knowledge and approval

 

[pat]

Can you describe the effect the implant itself and then the infection had on your midface soft tissues

due to to gigantic size and surface coverage of the cheeks insterting and removing them left me with midface laxity. there is no way any designer or dr would design a cheek implants that makes you look like madonna on a bad day. not to mention the major misplacement and ecoli infection. on the contrary because he disregarded the shape of my previous jaw implant my jaw now has laxity because a "smaller" less wrap around implant was placed. there was empty "dead space" now which collected fluid and led to the problems you see now. this is why i keep pointing out how important it was to keep the size if i was to change them. not for aesthetic reasons only. my tissues had accomodated for large implants for 10 years and he put a downgraded one in there and it simply wasnt enough to hold the tissues tight. now i am left with delfated cheeks, deflated jaw, and loose skin under my neck and jowling and a poor jawline compared to what i used to have. kinda like when you get breast implants and go smaller. and now that the fuckup has been done i am being labelled as being too extreme because i was assured everything will look better than my starting point. ive gone 5 steps backward. these are the things i was assured

1- new jaw will be exactly same size maybe even a little bigger if it can fit, and a much better contour - false
2- the new cheeks will have much more better defintion and is a higher cheek bone than dr eppleys (major false)
3- chin will be more masculine with definition and will get rid of the step off i had with previous genioplasty. somewhat true but false on the step off part. the step off is even worse when you look at the gap between the chin and jaw flaps.

these things blew out all the proportions of my face and compared to what i had my face as a whole has become more compact and smaller. not aesthetic traits a male should have. period.

 

[pat]

you approved of the design though correct? he didnt just showup and put these in your face without your knowledge and approval

i was shown the designs yes but i must stress when you are patient putting your trust in someone and you tell them what you like and dont like and they come up with a design you approve of it because you trust them to bring it to life. i questioned the cheek renders and the jaw and i was told to not worry it will be fine, "everything looks great, perfect actually". and i trusted that because i thought i had come to the right place. i only know so much about renders and how it will translate to real life. this is why we pay designers and drs for.
after my surgery when i questioned my concerns was told that "even though the renders looked great it does not in real life. were looking at a revision of the cheeks jaw and chin. shouldnt be a problem, very fixable and the surgery wont be as brutal as the first as the path has already been made".

 

[fika2]

due to to gigantic size and surface coverage of the cheeks insterting and removing them left me with midface laxity. there is no way any designer or dr would design a cheek implants that makes you look like madonna on a bad day. on the contrary because he disregarded the shape of my previous jaw implant my jaw now has laxity because a "smaller" less wrap around implant was placed. there was empty "dead space" now which collected fluid and led to the problems you see now. this is why i keep pointing out how important it was to keep the size if i was to change them. not for aesthetic reasons only. my tissues had accomodated for large implants for 10 years and he put a downgraded one in there and it simply wasnt enough to hold the tissues tight. now i am left with delfated cheeks, deflated jaw, and loose skin under my neck and jowling and a poor jawline compared to what i used to have. kinda like when you get breast implants and go smaller. and now that the fuckup has been done i am being labelled as being too extreme because i was assured everything will look better than my starting point. ive gone 5 steps backward. these are the things i was assured

1- new jaw will be exactly same size maybe even a little bigger if it can fit, and a much better contour - false
2- the new cheeks will have much more better defintion and is a higher cheek bone than dr eppleys (major false)
3- chin will be more masculine with definition and will get rid of the step off i had with previous genioplasty. somewhat true but false on the step off part. the step off is even worse when you look at the gap between the chin and jaw flaps.

these things blew out all the proportions of my face and compared to what i had my face as a whole has become more compact and smaller. not aesthetic traits a male should have. period.

are you able to write everything out in a document with screenshotted evidence for every claim? and then make the link shareable? if you really want to bring attention to this I think this is the best way to go about it. it would get shared everywhere if he was really in the wrong by a high margin

and it wouldn't just stay in a niche .org thread. it would go everywhere. discord, reddit, google searched etc

 

[fika2]

i was shown the designs yes but i must stress when you are patient putting your trust in someone and you tell them what you like and dont like and they come up with a design you approve of it because you trust them to bring it to life. i questioned the cheek renders and the jaw and i was told to not worry it will be fine, "everything looks great, perfect actually". and i trusted that because i thought i had come to the right place. i only know so much about renders and how it will translate to real life. this is why we pay designers and drs for.
after my surgery when i questioned my concerns was told that "even though the renders looked great it does not in real life. were looking at a revision of the cheeks jaw and chin. shouldnt be a problem, very fixable and the surgery wont be as brutal as the first as the path has already been made".

yeah this is valid. i personally think the patient should do a lot of research to know exactly what they want, but obviously you shouldn't be expected to know how the actual implant design will look irl.

if he admitted it looked bad and that you'll need a revision, that alone is quite scary. i hope this is just a one off case because you were so extreme

 

[pat]

my

are you able to write everything out in a document with screenshotted evidence for every claim? and then make the link shareable? if you really want to bring attention to this I think this is the best way to go about it. it would get shared everywhere if he was really in the wrong by a high margin

and it wouldn't just stay in a niche .org thread. it would go everywhere. discord, reddit, google searched etc

my goal was never to hurt people. ive lost everything and my case has become public because i had so many people asking me to share my story. ive sacrificed my privacy for this and more so because HE thinks its ok to share my photos. people can either believe it or not or bits and peices of it. i hope noone goes through what i did. not just surgically but psycologically. i felt so powerless and defeated and now im speaking up. and even after all this shit. he fails to reimburse me even after telling me his covering all expenses of my implants revision and flights back to turkey after he stood me up. it was all a absolute lie.

 

[fika2]

my

my goal was never to hurt people. ive lost everything and my case has become public because i had so many people asking me to share my story. ive sacrificed my privacy for this and more so because HE thinks its ok to share my photos. people can either believe it or not or bits and peices of it. i hope noone goes through what i did. not just surgically but psycologically. i felt so powerless and defeated and now im speaking up. and even after all this shit. he fails to reimburse me even after telling me his covering all expenses of my implants revision and flights back to turkey after he stood me up. it was all a absolute lie.

yeah, i think your both in the wrong but he's really fucking you over.

but since I don't have the full context of everything its hard to pick a side. I'm going to him for surgery anyways because I still do think he's not only the best at what he does but he's also the most innovative, and most customizable

plus you really can't beat the price even tho finances its not a factor for me.

 

[Naris030]

Why did you go for bigger implants when you were happy with eppley’s, if you don’t mind me asking.

 

[pat]

Why did you go for bigger implants when you were happy with eppley’s, if you don’t mind me asking.

just to confirm the jaw wasnt done by eppley. only my previous cheeks and chin (non custom). i explained during my zoom call how i was happy to leave in it in there as i was happy with it. however it was slightly asymetric. i had a dominent side which i wanted the other side matched. somewhere along the lines it was decided to just remove it all and replace them.

 

[jon_chase89]

just to confirm the jaw wasnt done by eppley. only my previous cheeks and chin (non custom). i explained during my zoom call how i was happy to leave in it in there as i was happy with it. however it was slightly asymetric. i had a dominent side which i wanted the other side matched. somewhere along the lines it was decided to just remove it all and replace them.

Probably because medpor is radioluscent so there would be no way to match the dominant side on a CT scan, they'd just be guessing

 

[RazerGlazer]

Just not worth it. Better to be ugly

Very bad mentality and I don't recommend following this guy advice.

You should do whatever it takes for you to ascend, look better so that you can actually have a good life, family and able to reproduce.

 

[Forget it]

yeah, i think your both in the wrong but he's really fucking you over.

but since I don't have the full context of everything its hard to pick a side. I'm going to him for surgery anyways because I still do think he's not only the best at what he does but he's also the most innovative, and most customizable

plus you really can't beat the price even tho finances its not a factor for me.

“Both in the wrong”
What are you talking about?! The designer and the doctor were majorly incompetent. And caused massive problems that the patient had to suffer from. If a patient is “extreme”, (gaslighting deflecting tactic so the patient bears all responsibility, then the doctors don’t take that patient at consultation phase)

The amount of clueless people here blaming the patient. You have no idea what you’re talking about. And the morons everywhere constantly patient blaming. They said they could do a thing and majorly fucked up.
Ego on everyone here just so they can appear authoritative on something they don’t have any experience or knowledge on.

Once again. My best wishes to this patient for coming forward, not just for all the suffering but to deal with people on this forum who bash without knowing anything. I’m sure there’s lots of quiet lurkers that you will help. Thanks

 

[chrishell]

due to to gigantic size and surface coverage of the cheeks insterting and removing them left me with midface laxity. there is no way any designer or dr would design a cheek implants that makes you look like madonna on a bad day. not to mention the major misplacement and ecoli infection. on the contrary because he disregarded the shape of my previous jaw implant my jaw now has laxity because a "smaller" less wrap around implant was placed. there was empty "dead space" now which collected fluid and led to the problems you see now. this is why i keep pointing out how important it was to keep the size if i was to change them. not for aesthetic reasons only. my tissues had accomodated for large implants for 10 years and he put a downgraded one in there and it simply wasnt enough to hold the tissues tight. now i am left with delfated cheeks, deflated jaw, and loose skin under my neck and jowling and a poor jawline compared to what i used to have. kinda like when you get breast implants and go smaller. and now that the fuckup has been done i am being labelled as being too extreme because i was assured everything will look better than my starting point. ive gone 5 steps backward. these are the things i was assured

1- new jaw will be exactly same size maybe even a little bigger if it can fit, and a much better contour - false
2- the new cheeks will have much more better defintion and is a higher cheek bone than dr eppleys (major false)
3- chin will be more masculine with definition and will get rid of the step off i had with previous genioplasty. somewhat true but false on the step off part. the step off is even worse when you look at the gap between the chin and jaw flaps.

these things blew out all the proportions of my face and compared to what i had my face as a whole has become more compact and smaller. not aesthetic traits a male should have. period.

How many mm projection were the malars and infras