BP Mainstream Is Fine

[Spieldren]

Wanna do a response thread to @3arsa 's "BP Mainstream again?"

Spoiler: link to thread

BP Mainstream again?

This is a serious matter and no i am not joking. please come into this conversation with the intent of contributing meaningfully Like dude we had the first wave alrdy in 24 and now again. wtf is happening. not sure people actually really grasp what will happen if this goes full blown (which will...

looksmax.org

Used AI cuz text was too long and I don't wanna sit here for 2 hours for a simple discussion.​

1. Mainstream exposure ≠ mass action.

Most people will see BP content and stay exactly the same.

They ignored Tate in 2019, they’ll ignore clavicular in 2025.

They don’t care, they think puberty will fix them, or they’re too lazy to do anything.

Just like money advice didn’t create millionaires, looksmax advice won’t create model-tier men.

2. Only statistical outliers will ever take looksmaxxing seriously.

Even if everyone gets exposed, the number of guys who actually research their failos, save for surgery, and commit long‑term will remain small.

People would rather laugh at “just use peptides” and "you are sub5" jokes than to research what they need.

The fear that millions will suddenly become models is a fantasy.

3. OGs don’t fear mainstream BP — they fear losing exclusivity.

What hurts them is losing the “secret club” feeling, not actual competition.

They spent years collecting info, knowing things normies didn’t (PEDs, other substances, surgeries, understanding failos and what makes an attractive face).

Now others will surge in and read the BOTB (they won't cuz they are retarded ), the people who've been here since 2020-2023 will feel like their “hidden advantage” is gone.

4. Real looksmaxxing will never go mainstream because it requires discipline, time, pain, and money.

Most people want a cheap pill, K-SHAMI's debloat powder, or a peptide.

True looksmaxxing is wageslaving, surgeries, saving huge amounts of money, using PEDs which make you dependant on trt for life.

Normies will not do this. They want fast, easy, delusional shortcuts.

Their ascension is an MT2 coloring and cjc 3 month bone growth ascension, not real surgeries.

5. The fear of ‘more attractive people everywhere’ is exaggerated.

I think this is @3arsa 's main issue.

People think mainstream BP will create armies of moggers. It won’t.

What will increase is visibility — more hot people in online spaces, not more hot people IRL.

Attractive people gather in communities like this, so it feels like they’re multiplying.

In reality, normie genetics won’t magically improve because a few TikToks went viral.

 

[cristaking8]

Wanna do a response thread to @3arsa 's "BP Mainstream again?"

Spoiler: link to thread

BP Mainstream again?

This is a serious matter and no i am not joking. please come into this conversation with the intent of contributing meaningfully Like dude we had the first wave alrdy in 24 and now again. wtf is happening. not sure people actually really grasp what will happen if this goes full blown (which will...

looksmax.org

Used AI cuz text was too long and I don't wanna sit here for 2 hours for a simple discussion.​

1. Mainstream exposure ≠ mass action.

Most people will see BP content and stay exactly the same.

They ignored Tate lul in 2019, they’ll ignore clavicular in 2025.

They don’t care, they think puberty will fix them, or they’re too lazy to do anything.

Just like money advice didn’t create millionaires, looksmax advice won’t create model-tier men.

2. Only statistical outliers will ever take looksmaxxing seriously.

Even if everyone gets exposed, the number of guys who actually research their failos, save for surgery, and commit long‑term will remain small.

People would rather laugh at “just use peptides” and "you are sub5" jokes than to research what they need.

The fear that millions will suddenly become models is a fantasy.

3. OGs don’t fear mainstream BP — they fear losing exclusivity.

What hurts them is losing the “secret club” feeling, not actual competition.

They spent years collecting info, knowing things normies didn’t (PEDs, other substances, surgeries, understanding failos and what makes an attractive face).

Now others will surge in and read the BOTB (they won't cuz they are retarded ), the people who've been here since 2020-2023 will feel like their “hidden advantage” is gone.

4. Real looksmaxxing will never go mainstream because it requires discipline, time, pain, and money.

Most people want a cheap pill, K-SHAMI's debloat powder, or a peptide.

True looksmaxxing is wageslaving, surgeries, saving huge amounts of money, using PEDs which make you dependant on trt for life.

Normies will not do this. They want fast, easy, delusional shortcuts.

Their ascension is an MT2 coloring and cjc 3 month bone growth ascension, not real surgeries.

5. The fear of ‘more attractive people everywhere’ is exaggerated.

I think this is @3arsa 's main issue.

People think mainstream BP will create armies of moggers. It won’t.

What will increase is visibility — more hot people in online spaces, not more hot people IRL.

Attractive people gather in communities like this, so it feels like they’re multiplying.

In reality, normie genetics won’t magically improve because a few TikToks went viral.

Gpt

 

[Spieldren]

Gpt

yes nigga no shit i listed it in first sentence. I can send my own text but its choppy boring repeats itself and is too long.

 

[cristaking8]

yes nigga no shit i listed it in first sentence. I can send my own text but its choppy boring repeats itself and is too long.

i skipped over the first part but nah for me i think bp mainstream will be very bad

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

Why the BP going Mainstream is Death-Tier

There is a consensus that the BP going Mainstream would somehow fix it. That if people understood the extent of the BP. they would stop neglecting Sub5's and Shortcels. That hypergamy would stabilize a bit. This is not true. Here is my Estimate for how social dynamics would change from...

looksmax.org

Though, it won't

 

[Beavis]

bp mainstream will literally effect nothing but an influx of greys shitposting for a while

 

[rotation]

i skipped over the first part but nah for me i think bp mainstream will be very bad

cristaking8​

JoinedOct 27, 2025

 

[cristaking8]

[/HEADING]
[HEADING=3]cristaking8​

JoinedOct 27, 2025

ive known about it for years and i dont care if u believe me or not nigger

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

[/HEADING]
[HEADING=3]cristaking8​

JoinedOct 27, 2025

Joined Jan 28, 2025
know your place

 

[SilvioMoltisantiDan]

It is still a serious issue; BP will increase depression, contributing to adolescent and adult suicide. It may not be at high levels, but it will cause more deaths, like elliot rodger who killed innocent lifes due his incel looking and ND

 

[Rapelord]

Wanna do a response thread to @3arsa 's "BP Mainstream again?"

Spoiler: link to thread

BP Mainstream again?

This is a serious matter and no i am not joking. please come into this conversation with the intent of contributing meaningfully Like dude we had the first wave alrdy in 24 and now again. wtf is happening. not sure people actually really grasp what will happen if this goes full blown (which will...

looksmax.org

Used AI cuz text was too long and I don't wanna sit here for 2 hours for a simple discussion.​

1. Mainstream exposure ≠ mass action.

Most people will see BP content and stay exactly the same.

They ignored Tate in 2019, they’ll ignore clavicular in 2025.

They don’t care, they think puberty will fix them, or they’re too lazy to do anything.

Just like money advice didn’t create millionaires, looksmax advice won’t create model-tier men.

2. Only statistical outliers will ever take looksmaxxing seriously.

Even if everyone gets exposed, the number of guys who actually research their failos, save for surgery, and commit long‑term will remain small.

People would rather laugh at “just use peptides” and "you are sub5" jokes than to research what they need.

The fear that millions will suddenly become models is a fantasy.

3. OGs don’t fear mainstream BP — they fear losing exclusivity.

What hurts them is losing the “secret club” feeling, not actual competition.

They spent years collecting info, knowing things normies didn’t (PEDs, other substances, surgeries, understanding failos and what makes an attractive face).

Now others will surge in and read the BOTB (they won't cuz they are retarded ), the people who've been here since 2020-2023 will feel like their “hidden advantage” is gone.

4. Real looksmaxxing will never go mainstream because it requires discipline, time, pain, and money.

Most people want a cheap pill, K-SHAMI's debloat powder, or a peptide.

True looksmaxxing is wageslaving, surgeries, saving huge amounts of money, using PEDs which make you dependant on trt for life.

Normies will not do this. They want fast, easy, delusional shortcuts.

Their ascension is an MT2 coloring and cjc 3 month bone growth ascension, not real surgeries.

5. The fear of ‘more attractive people everywhere’ is exaggerated.

I think this is @3arsa 's main issue.

People think mainstream BP will create armies of moggers. It won’t.

What will increase is visibility — more hot people in online spaces, not more hot people IRL.

Attractive people gather in communities like this, so it feels like they’re multiplying.

In reality, normie genetics won’t magically improve because a few TikToks went viral.

even if the normgroids do not ascend, those with decent genetics will conduct small lifestyle improvements and reap the benefits. the promotion of hgh and other peptides is excessive, bolstering the competition there is within society. the mainstreaming of increased standards and the warping of what an acceptable male is in regard to height particularly will also further the high desires females have, and also the manufacturing of low iq slop edits is an insult to true inceldom and any intelligent association with a blackpill philosophy.
although looks were naturally significant even before its significance was exposed through the tiktokification of a concept, before exposure there was less of a direct emphasis. it is not a positive thing at all.

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

even if the normgroids

normgroids

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Joined May 2, 2025​

2025 Users need to Shut the Fuck Up

They are extremely aggro and brown nose prominent users. They use the slang whilst insulting you despite their account creation date being October 2025. It reeks of short guy that squares up to everyone to make up for his height. If you're a 2025 user and you're reading this, shut the fuck up...

looksmax.org

 

[JohnDoe]

A.I slop thread

 

[Spieldren]

A.I slop thread

 

[Rapelord]

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Joined May 2, 2025​

2025 Users need to Shut the Fuck Up

They are extremely aggro and brown nose prominent users. They use the slang whilst insulting you despite their account creation date being October 2025. It reeks of short guy that squares up to everyone to make up for his height. If you're a 2025 user and you're reading this, shut the fuck up...

looksmax.org

pathetic, normgroid is not even lookist or bp slang, it has different internet origins
that thread that says it 'reeks of short guy that squares up to everyone to make up for his height' more applies to you, clinging to this shitty org tradition that is far inferior to other internet cultures
low iq narc and larping normie clinging to his 2023 join date (2023 is when most tiktoks began being made)

 

[Spieldren]

Why the BP going Mainstream is Death-Tier

There is a consensus that the BP going Mainstream would somehow fix it. That if people understood the extent of the BP. they would stop neglecting Sub5's and Shortcels. That hypergamy would stabilize a bit. This is not true. Here is my Estimate for how social dynamics would change from...

looksmax.org

Though, it won't

yeah but its kinda like.............. the acknowledgement of the bp doesn't change the reality

people will still need a wife and a husband and just knowing that here is 1 person out there who is a chad doesn't change much

models existed a long time ago and everyone knew that and still lived a normal life as average normies

there are more beautiful people out there but it won't make it so women just boycott dating men under htn?

for all of that to happen majority of people knowing bp would have to do surgeries to become minimum htn but this isnt feasible

 

[ssxjdgh]

Wanna do a response thread to @3arsa 's "BP Mainstream again?"

Spoiler: link to thread

BP Mainstream again?

This is a serious matter and no i am not joking. please come into this conversation with the intent of contributing meaningfully Like dude we had the first wave alrdy in 24 and now again. wtf is happening. not sure people actually really grasp what will happen if this goes full blown (which will...

looksmax.org

Used AI cuz text was too long and I don't wanna sit here for 2 hours for a simple discussion.​

1. Mainstream exposure ≠ mass action.

Most people will see BP content and stay exactly the same.

They ignored Tate in 2019, they’ll ignore clavicular in 2025.

They don’t care, they think puberty will fix them, or they’re too lazy to do anything.

Just like money advice didn’t create millionaires, looksmax advice won’t create model-tier men.

2. Only statistical outliers will ever take looksmaxxing seriously.

Even if everyone gets exposed, the number of guys who actually research their failos, save for surgery, and commit long‑term will remain small.

People would rather laugh at “just use peptides” and "you are sub5" jokes than to research what they need.

The fear that millions will suddenly become models is a fantasy.

3. OGs don’t fear mainstream BP — they fear losing exclusivity.

What hurts them is losing the “secret club” feeling, not actual competition.

They spent years collecting info, knowing things normies didn’t (PEDs, other substances, surgeries, understanding failos and what makes an attractive face).

Now others will surge in and read the BOTB (they won't cuz they are retarded ), the people who've been here since 2020-2023 will feel like their “hidden advantage” is gone.

4. Real looksmaxxing will never go mainstream because it requires discipline, time, pain, and money.

Most people want a cheap pill, K-SHAMI's debloat powder, or a peptide.

True looksmaxxing is wageslaving, surgeries, saving huge amounts of money, using PEDs which make you dependant on trt for life.

Normies will not do this. They want fast, easy, delusional shortcuts.

Their ascension is an MT2 coloring and cjc 3 month bone growth ascension, not real surgeries.

5. The fear of ‘more attractive people everywhere’ is exaggerated.

I think this is @3arsa 's main issue.

People think mainstream BP will create armies of moggers. It won’t.

What will increase is visibility — more hot people in online spaces, not more hot people IRL.

Attractive people gather in communities like this, so it feels like they’re multiplying.

In reality, normie genetics won’t magically improve because a few TikToks went viral.

Disagree as the value on looks will only increase. Meaning normies are forced to do basic looksmaxxing or fall behind.

@3arsa

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

pathetic, normgroid is not even lookist or bp slang, it has different internet origins

Some retarded way of saying Normie, which is what I was getting at. You have a 2025 join date. You are a normie. STOP trying to act better than other people in this space when you joined this year, it's cringe as FUCKKK.

You are projecting your brittle sense of superiority onto me by calling me narcy, you should shut the fuck up, atleast until it's 2026, mutt.

 

[Terrortheplug]

You forgot to mention that the spread of this is causing nihilism in young men and depression rates are rising

 

[rotation]

Joined Jan 28, 2025
know your place

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I never claimed to be oldgen or have an opinion on mainstream bp

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

I never claimed to be oldgen or have an opinion on mainstream bp

you're right, my bad

 

[Spieldren]

Disagree as the value on looks will only increase. Meaning normies are forced to do basic looksmaxxing or fall behind.

@3arsa

the value of looks will increase yes but the actual good looking people won't. as thread said it would require for people to do:

surgeries to become htn+ (small ammount of people)

accept the mtn cap (majority of people)

do basic softmaxxes (they don't help a lot, at least the softmaxxes majority of normies are willing to do.

and it isn't forcing normies to do nothing cuz basic looksmaxxing is good health hygene and grooming. no one will be forced to do anything more drastic than that mostly cuz nothing exists after that

its either surgeries to ascend by a lot or softmaxxes which are cope for an average normie below htn

 

[ssxjdgh]

the value of looks will increase yes but the actual good looking people won't. as thread said it would require for people to do:

surgeries to become htn+ (small ammount of people)

accept the mtn cap (majority of people)

do basic softmaxxes (they don't help a lot, at least the softmaxxes majority of normies are willing to do.

and it isn't forcing normies to do nothing cuz basic looksmaxxing is good health hygene and grooming. no one will be forced to do anything more drastic than that mostly cuz nothing exists after that

its either surgeries to ascend by a lot or softmaxxes which are cope for an average normie below htn

Why tf would normie who just found out he could ascend not do surgeries?

 

[Spieldren]

Why tf would normie who just found out he could ascend not do surgeries?

because average normie doesnt have the money nor the desire to commit to something for the rest of his life from a 10 second corny tiktok edit

 

[ssxjdgh]

because average normie doesnt have the money nor the desire to commit to something for the rest of his life from a 10 second corny tiktok edit

idk what if they're rich or have rich family

 

[Rapelord]

Some retarded way of saying Normie, which is what I was getting at. You have a 2025 join date. You are a normie. STOP trying to act better than other people in this space when you joined this year, it's cringe as FUCKKK.
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You are projecting your brittle sense of superiority onto me by calling me narcy, you should shut the fuck up, atleast until it's 2026, mutt.

ive always preferred that term over just normie, in the gcs and communities i was in it was always used, perhaps to describe an even lesser kind of one
2025 in org does not imply one is a normie, you were who attempted to establish some distinction of superiority based on join date
regardless, there is no point having a futile argument over this

 

[Spieldren]

idk what if they're rich or have rich family

yes and again thats a very small ammount of people not enough to do anything crazy to the whole dating market

 

[somalie]

1. Mainstream exposure ≠ mass action.

Most people will see BP content and stay exactly the same.

They ignored Tate in 2019, they’ll ignore clavicular in 2025.

They don’t care, they think puberty will fix them, or they’re too lazy to do anything.

Just like money advice didn’t create millionaires, looksmax advice won’t create model-tier men.

2. Only statistical outliers will ever take looksmaxxing seriously.

Even if everyone gets exposed, the number of guys who actually research their failos, save for surgery, and commit long‑term will remain small.


5. The fear of ‘more attractive people everywhere’ is exaggerated.

you could also argue the amount of true looksmaxxers who take action could even be less (than premainstream bp), since no one wants to be seen as "extreme" or "doing too much" while everyone else is coping and procrasinating. i genuienly believe this will happen cos it happened with true RP and tate

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

there is no point having a futile argument over this

Because you have no legs to stand on, boy. Calling people normies with a 2025 join date. Oh yeah bro I'm sure you've been in this space for years, 2014 PUAhate account and 2019 .org account that got banned/lost/self deleted i'm sure.

ive always preferred that term over just normie, in the gcs and communities i was in it was always used,

clinging to this shitty org tradition that is far inferior to other internet cultures

Holy cringe, who cares about what other forums you're apart of, I do not care about the origin of normgroid, i don't care, it's an aspie way of saying normie and that's how i'm treating it. saaar if you knew about the telegram channels i'm in that mog looksmax in it's way of autism you would not have such a feeling of superiority saaaar

KEEP SHUT

 

[ssxjdgh]

yes and again thats a very small ammount of people not enough to do anything crazy to the whole dating market

the knowledge will become available to literally everyone at their fingertips. People like us that have to research and save for months and years will fall behind

 

[ZakariyaFPLP]

Wanna do a response thread to @3arsa 's "BP Mainstream again?"

Spoiler: link to thread

BP Mainstream again?

This is a serious matter and no i am not joking. please come into this conversation with the intent of contributing meaningfully Like dude we had the first wave alrdy in 24 and now again. wtf is happening. not sure people actually really grasp what will happen if this goes full blown (which will...

looksmax.org

Used AI cuz text was too long and I don't wanna sit here for 2 hours for a simple discussion.​

1. Mainstream exposure ≠ mass action.

Most people will see BP content and stay exactly the same.

They ignored Tate in 2019, they’ll ignore clavicular in 2025.

They don’t care, they think puberty will fix them, or they’re too lazy to do anything.

Just like money advice didn’t create millionaires, looksmax advice won’t create model-tier men.

2. Only statistical outliers will ever take looksmaxxing seriously.

Even if everyone gets exposed, the number of guys who actually research their failos, save for surgery, and commit long‑term will remain small.

People would rather laugh at “just use peptides” and "you are sub5" jokes than to research what they need.

The fear that millions will suddenly become models is a fantasy.

3. OGs don’t fear mainstream BP — they fear losing exclusivity.

What hurts them is losing the “secret club” feeling, not actual competition.

They spent years collecting info, knowing things normies didn’t (PEDs, other substances, surgeries, understanding failos and what makes an attractive face).

Now others will surge in and read the BOTB (they won't cuz they are retarded ), the people who've been here since 2020-2023 will feel like their “hidden advantage” is gone.

4. Real looksmaxxing will never go mainstream because it requires discipline, time, pain, and money.

Most people want a cheap pill, K-SHAMI's debloat powder, or a peptide.

True looksmaxxing is wageslaving, surgeries, saving huge amounts of money, using PEDs which make you dependant on trt for life.

Normies will not do this. They want fast, easy, delusional shortcuts.

Their ascension is an MT2 coloring and cjc 3 month bone growth ascension, not real surgeries.

5. The fear of ‘more attractive people everywhere’ is exaggerated.

I think this is @3arsa 's main issue.

People think mainstream BP will create armies of moggers. It won’t.

What will increase is visibility — more hot people in online spaces, not more hot people IRL.

Attractive people gather in communities like this, so it feels like they’re multiplying.

In reality, normie genetics won’t magically improve because a few TikToks went viral.

This is so true.

 

[theübermenschboy]

Wanna do a response thread to @3arsa 's "BP Mainstream again?"

Spoiler: link to thread

BP Mainstream again?

This is a serious matter and no i am not joking. please come into this conversation with the intent of contributing meaningfully Like dude we had the first wave alrdy in 24 and now again. wtf is happening. not sure people actually really grasp what will happen if this goes full blown (which will...

looksmax.org

Used AI cuz text was too long and I don't wanna sit here for 2 hours for a simple discussion.​

1. Mainstream exposure ≠ mass action.

Most people will see BP content and stay exactly the same.

They ignored Tate in 2019, they’ll ignore clavicular in 2025.

They don’t care, they think puberty will fix them, or they’re too lazy to do anything.

Just like money advice didn’t create millionaires, looksmax advice won’t create model-tier men.

2. Only statistical outliers will ever take looksmaxxing seriously.

Even if everyone gets exposed, the number of guys who actually research their failos, save for surgery, and commit long‑term will remain small.

People would rather laugh at “just use peptides” and "you are sub5" jokes than to research what they need.

The fear that millions will suddenly become models is a fantasy.

3. OGs don’t fear mainstream BP — they fear losing exclusivity.

What hurts them is losing the “secret club” feeling, not actual competition.

They spent years collecting info, knowing things normies didn’t (PEDs, other substances, surgeries, understanding failos and what makes an attractive face).

Now others will surge in and read the BOTB (they won't cuz they are retarded ), the people who've been here since 2020-2023 will feel like their “hidden advantage” is gone.

4. Real looksmaxxing will never go mainstream because it requires discipline, time, pain, and money.

Most people want a cheap pill, K-SHAMI's debloat powder, or a peptide.

True looksmaxxing is wageslaving, surgeries, saving huge amounts of money, using PEDs which make you dependant on trt for life.

Normies will not do this. They want fast, easy, delusional shortcuts.

Their ascension is an MT2 coloring and cjc 3 month bone growth ascension, not real surgeries.

5. The fear of ‘more attractive people everywhere’ is exaggerated.

I think this is @3arsa 's main issue.

People think mainstream BP will create armies of moggers. It won’t.

What will increase is visibility — more hot people in online spaces, not more hot people IRL.

Attractive people gather in communities like this, so it feels like they’re multiplying.

In reality, normie genetics won’t magically improve because a few TikToks went viral.

You are completely wrong.
BP going mainstream will create a hell for all of us . And I will explain the reason:
Up until now only genetically blessed people are chads and stacys for the most part , when the BP goes mainstream even htns and mtbs will ascend their way to chad and stacy pf today and create extreme looksflation . A htn now will be considered sub3 then. Take zeta , ehren, orb and others as an example . They are not even htns genetically but have all achieved chadlite by ascending . This is serious we all need to gatekeep BP!
@3arsa @Clavicular

 

[Spieldren]

You are completely wrong.
BP going mainstream will create a hell for all of us . And I will explain the reason:
Take zeta , ehren, orb and others as an example . They are not even htns genetically but have all achieved chadlite by ascending . This is serious we all need to gatekeep BP!
@3arsa @Clavicular

zeta - genetics
orb - genetics
ehren the only one who hardmaxxed. and it was because he was subhuman before. that led him to a dark miserable path.

an average normie doesn't live all that suffering out therefore can't justify permanent surgeries just like that cuz he saw a tiktok edit

also surgery isn't new and gatekept you can see multiple old instagram posts of celebrities before and after surgery with millions of likes

Up until now only genetically blessed people are chads and stacys for the most part when the BP goes mainstream even htns and mtbs will ascend their way to chad and stacy pf today and create extreme looksflation

yes and after it goes mainstream the increase will be negligible since most people A can't afford it B aren't willing to do it

look at this forum. how many posts have you already seen of people bitching around in the moneymaking & success or looksmaxxing subforums about how they need money for surgery

the lucky few with generational wealth will be negligible and won't affect the population one bit. it will increase they individual life quality and not ruin ours.

 

[theübermenschboy]

zeta - genetics
orb - genetics
ehren the only one who hardmaxxed. and it was because he was subhuman before. that led him to a dark miserable path.

an average normie doesn't live all that suffering out therefore can't justify permanent surgeries just like that cuz he saw a tiktok edit

also surgery isn't new and gatekept you can see multiple old instagram posts of celebrities before and after surgery with millions of likes

yes and after it goes mainstream the increase will be negligible since most people A can't afford it B aren't willing to do it

look at this forum. how many posts have you already seen of people bitching around in the moneymaking & success or looksmaxxing subforums about how they need money for surgery

the lucky few with generational wealth will be negligible and won't affect the population one bit. it will increase they individual life quality and not ruin ours.

You are underestimating the will of incels by a great deal. Someone who has no affection shown towards becomes so desperate that he can literally do anything . You somehow believe that people won’t improve their lives whilst knowing exactly how to , which I see as silly. Everyone who understands the BP , even roughly will have their perspective towards life entirely changed. I myself used to be involved in worthless activities before knowing about the BP in 2023, now my entire life is directed towards ascending , I don’t do anything fun , anything jester all I think of is ascending. I say this not to brag about myself , but to make you understand the importance of knowledge of the BP , I don’t consider myself too low inhibiton and I know people that if they get to know about the BP will have their entire lives revolve around it. When people are bluepilled or redpilled they try improving on criteria's that are worthless eg confidence, status etc. Gatekeeping is extremely essential, if we don’t gatekeep the BP we will all be extremely miserable.
Dont underestimate the extent to which people are willing to go to improve their lives. This is a dog eat dog world .
Please I beg you , please gatekeep.
@Clavicular @3arsa
@Aryan Incel @Adi. @ZyzzBrah

 

[shneckmax]

Wanna do a response thread to @3arsa 's "BP Mainstream again?"

Spoiler: link to thread

BP Mainstream again?

This is a serious matter and no i am not joking. please come into this conversation with the intent of contributing meaningfully Like dude we had the first wave alrdy in 24 and now again. wtf is happening. not sure people actually really grasp what will happen if this goes full blown (which will...

looksmax.org

Used AI cuz text was too long and I don't wanna sit here for 2 hours for a simple discussion.​

1. Mainstream exposure ≠ mass action.

Most people will see BP content and stay exactly the same.

They ignored Tate in 2019, they’ll ignore clavicular in 2025.

They don’t care, they think puberty will fix them, or they’re too lazy to do anything.

Just like money advice didn’t create millionaires, looksmax advice won’t create model-tier men.

2. Only statistical outliers will ever take looksmaxxing seriously.

Even if everyone gets exposed, the number of guys who actually research their failos, save for surgery, and commit long‑term will remain small.

People would rather laugh at “just use peptides” and "you are sub5" jokes than to research what they need.

The fear that millions will suddenly become models is a fantasy.

3. OGs don’t fear mainstream BP — they fear losing exclusivity.

What hurts them is losing the “secret club” feeling, not actual competition.

They spent years collecting info, knowing things normies didn’t (PEDs, other substances, surgeries, understanding failos and what makes an attractive face).

Now others will surge in and read the BOTB (they won't cuz they are retarded ), the people who've been here since 2020-2023 will feel like their “hidden advantage” is gone.

4. Real looksmaxxing will never go mainstream because it requires discipline, time, pain, and money.

Most people want a cheap pill, K-SHAMI's debloat powder, or a peptide.

True looksmaxxing is wageslaving, surgeries, saving huge amounts of money, using PEDs which make you dependant on trt for life.

Normies will not do this. They want fast, easy, delusional shortcuts.

Their ascension is an MT2 coloring and cjc 3 month bone growth ascension, not real surgeries.

5. The fear of ‘more attractive people everywhere’ is exaggerated.

I think this is @3arsa 's main issue.

People think mainstream BP will create armies of moggers. It won’t.

What will increase is visibility — more hot people in online spaces, not more hot people IRL.

Attractive people gather in communities like this, so it feels like they’re multiplying.

In reality, normie genetics won’t magically improve because a few TikToks went viral.

gpt slop

 

[Spieldren]

You are underestimating the will of incels by a great deal. Someone who has no affection shown towards becomes so desperate that he can literally do anything . You somehow believe that people won’t improve their lives whilst knowing exactly how to , which I see as silly. Everyone who understands the BP , even roughly will have their perspective towards life entirely changed. I myself used to be involved in worthless activities before knowing about the BP in 2023, now my entire life is directed towards ascending , I don’t do anything fun , anything jester all I think of is ascending. I say this not to brag about myself , but to make you understand the importance of knowledge of the BP , I don’t consider myself too low inhibiton and I know people that if they get to know about the BP will have their entire lives revolve around it. When people are bluepilled or redpilled they try improving on criteria's that are worthless eg confidence, status etc. Gatekeeping is extremely essential, if we don’t gatekeep the BP we will all be extremely miserable.
Dont underestimate the extent to which people are willing to go to improve their lives. This is a dog eat dog world .
Please I beg you , please gatekeep.
@Clavicular @3arsa
@Aryan Incel @Adi. @ZyzzBrah

you want to gatekeep it to not have competition.

your ideal scenario is everyone being below you.

you think a lot of people will go above you and leave you and years of your effort useless since no girl will want you and will look at you as subhuman in the new dating market

im telling you that actual people who will be above from looksmaxxing and not genetics will be low. im talking a few thousand per year low.

and even tho 3k chadlites sound scary you have to realise that they are all dispersed around the world. all make a minuscule impact.

cuz there are still thousands of women left who will want and will choose you

i know clav's videos about hypergamy is scary and that everyone should do surgery and ascend and it will cause looksfliation but if you go outside it's literally not that severe.

in my school all couples are guys that are ltn/mtn

this whole thing about severe looksfliation and mainstream is nothing else but a fearmonger to make us feel scared and bad for no reason.

 

[3arsa]

Although I appreciate the points you bring up, I am disappointed with your use of AI to articulate them. Nevertheless, I will address them.

For the sake of this conversation, let's just say that normies won't act on this information (which really is wishful thinking at best), it's not just about others mogging you to death, it's about them understanding the blackpill. I mean this truly, the blackpill is not a trivial concept. People have roped over this, killed others, destroyed lives, etc. It's not something your average Joe is supposed to know about - it's for those who went looking for reason and found it - not something you are exposed to. I'm not sure you quite understand the severity of this - kids aged 5-12 are being exposed to this calling others "sub 5", "acne in the big 25", "pray to gandy you ascend boyo". And sure, you can say this is "human nature" though not to this intensity (something I address later in my response). These are all terms I have heard during my travel across first and third world countries this year. When I noticed this, I knew it was over, a great chasm in my heart was formed.

Do you understand how impressionable little kids are? Once kids are exposed to content like this at a young age, it's over, and I truly mean that it is over. It becomes biologically engrained into them - this is their time to be learning culture around them and the culture they are learning is that of lookism. They are quite literally becoming physical embodiments of the blackpill via enculturation. And no, I do not mean this satirically.

Besides this effecting young(er) children, as it spreads to the masses, the issue persists with great strength. The masses start understanding,... 'waking up' so to speak.

It's about them knowing Why and How the world works around them. No longer will they cope with "ah man your personality wasn't good enough to get her" but rather "ye bro your sub 5". These copes, whether you'd like to accept it or not, are critical for society to function. Without a shadow of doubt, these copes have prevented ropes, helped people escape their darkest times, solved world problems. Copes allow people to continue to function, continue to form beautiful memories, continue to live their childhood and form those everlasting memories so many of us hold dear to our hearts. And who knows, maybe this is a cope in and of itself.

This is what all Elites are scared of - normies understanding how things work and why they function the way they do. We no longer have a society of obedient slaves, but rather leaders. That's the fear, the fear is people waking up. What happens when everyone understands how things work? You have revolt, you have an uprising, you have people understand the true nature of things.

This is analogues to Neo from the Matrix waking up from his everlasting torture in a predominately man-made world, or to those of you reading with a far sophiscated level of understanding, when the Plato's prisoner from the Allegory of the Cave sees the sunlight and enters the light for their first time.

You may be reading this as me not wanting others to have access to this "secret information" and although I believe that many of peoples' fears of this going mainstream is exactly that, this is not the case. Society can not operate with an army of freed-prisoners. Since the dawn of man, their have always been the enslaved and the enslavers. There is no way around it - this is how nature intendeted it to be - the ones gifted and the ones cursed. Those who had access to the highest quality ways of living, and those that didn't. Once you start drifting away from nature and having everyone adhere to the lookism philosophy, that's when things get scary. ​

And again although you are claiming I am strawmanning my argument, I believe I am simply laying it out as-is and presenting you with the facts at hand. This is a once in a lifetime paradigm shift where the prisoners exit their caves and walk into the light.

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Pandora's box is open, and there is no going back.

 

[unfortunatehobbies]

Although I appreciate the points you bring up, I am disappointed with your use of AI to articulate them. Nevertheless, I will address them.

For the sake of this conversation, let's just say that normies won't act on this information (which really is wishful thinking at best), it's not just about others mogging you to death, it's about them understanding the blackpill. I mean this truly, the blackpill is not a trivial concept. People have roped over this, killed others, destroyed lives, etc. It's not something your average Joe is supposed to know about - it's for those who went looking for reason and found it - not something you are exposed to. I'm not sure you quite understand the severity of this - kids aged 5-12 are being exposed to this calling others "sub 5", "acne in the big 25", "pray to gandy you ascend boyo". And sure, you can say this is "human nature" though not to this intensity (something I address later in my response). These are all terms I have heard during my travel across first and third world countries this year. When I noticed this, I knew it was over, a great chasm in my heart was formed.

Do you understand how impressionable little kids are? Once kids are exposed to content like this at a young age, it's over, and I truly mean that it is over. It becomes biologically engrained into them - this is their time to be learning culture around them and the culture they are learning is that of lookism. They are quite literally becoming physical embodiments of the blackpill via enculturation. And no, I do not mean this satirically.

Besides this effecting young(er) children, as it spreads to the masses, the issue persists with great strength. The masses start understanding,... 'waking up' so to speak.

It's about them knowing Why and How the world works around them. No longer will they cope with "ah man your personality wasn't good enough to get her" but rather "ye bro your sub 5". These copes, whether you'd like to accept it or not, are critical for society to function. Without a shadow of doubt, these copes have prevented ropes, helped people escape their darkest times, solved world problems. Copes allow people to continue to function, continue to form beautiful memories, continue to live their childhood and form those everlasting memories so many of us hold dear to our hearts. And who knows, maybe this is a cope in and of itself.

This is what all Elites are scared of - normies understanding how things work and why they function the way they do. We no longer have a society of obedient slaves, but rather leaders. That's the fear, the fear is people waking up. What happens when everyone understands how things work? You have revolt, you have an uprising, you have people understand the true nature of things.

This is analogues to Neo from the Matrix waking up from his everlasting torture in a predominately man-made world, or to those of you reading with a far sophiscated level of understanding, when the Plato's prisoner from the Allegory of the Cave sees the sunlight and enters the light for their first time.

You may be reading this as me not wanting others to have access to this "secret information" and although I believe that many of peoples' fears of this going mainstream is exactly that, this is not the case. Society can not operate with an army of freed-prisoners. Since the dawn of man, their have always been the enslaved and the enslavers. There is no way around it - this is how nature intendeted it to be - the ones gifted and the ones cursed. Those who had access to the highest quality ways of living, and those that didn't. Once you start drifting away from nature and having everyone adhere to the lookism philosophy, that's when things get scary. ​

And again although you are claiming I am strawmanning my argument, I believe I am simply laying it out as-is and presenting you with the facts at hand. This is a once in a lifetime paradigm shift where the prisoners exit their caves and walk into the light.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Pandora's box is open, and there is no going back.

miring high effort

 

[theübermenschboy]

you want to gatekeep it to not have competition.

Yes , I want to gatekeep it to not have competition.

your ideal scenario is everyone being below you.

True , my ideal scenario is everyone being below me.

Now I do not understand what about these ideas you find wrong?

The thing is there are people with genetics so far superior to us that if they comprehend the blackpill we are finished. I live in IOK and people around me are genetically so blessed if these people get to know about the BP I can’t leave my house anymore. I am being stone serious, guys at my school were 1m94,1m96 etc. Brown hair ,light eyes . Due to the high altitude people here have extremely red cheeks creating extremely good coloring. The guys at my school used to be involved in stupid stuff all through school like smoking , doing drugs etc. If these guys get to know about the BP I am done for in life . I cannot tolerate being brutally mogged by 1m90+ chads with perfect coloring and perfect dimorphism . We need to gatekeep this information .

What do you think you have to gain by spreading BP? Nothing! Everything is to lose so why don’t you gatekeep?
Ponder on this , as a favour to me .
@3arsa @Clavicular
@Aryan Incel

 

[Spieldren]

Yes , I want to gatekeep it to not have competition.

True , my ideal scenario is everyone being below me.

Now I do not understand what about these ideas you find wrong?

The thing is there are people with genetics so far superior to us that if they comprehend the blackpill we are finished. I live in IOK and people around me are genetically so blessed if these people get to know about the BP I can’t leave my house anymore. I am being stone serious, guys at my school were 1m94,1m96 etc. Brown hair ,light eyes . Due to the high altitude people here have extremely red cheeks creating extremely good coloring. The guys at my school used to be involved in stupid stuff all through school like smoking , doing drugs etc. If these guys get to know about the BP I am done for in life . I cannot tolerate being brutally mogged by 1m90+ chads with perfect coloring and perfect dimorphism . We need to gatekeep this information .

What do you think you have to gain by spreading BP? Nothing! Everything is to lose so why don’t you gatekeep?
Ponder on this , as a favour to me .
@3arsa @Clavicular
@Aryan Incel

I agree and I do not spread nor want others to spread BP and I agree with this gatekeeping thing. I just think that the extent in which people will looksmax will be minuscule. Like your extremely good classmates are already good looking so there is nothing to change. I'm saying that any mtns and ltns that are not a threat to you will most likely not start any looksmaxxing crazy enough to ascend to above your level and mog you

 

[Spieldren]

Although I appreciate the points you bring up, I am disappointed with your use of AI to articulate them. Nevertheless, I will address them.

For the sake of this conversation, let's just say that normies won't act on this information (which really is wishful thinking at best), it's not just about others mogging you to death, it's about them understanding the blackpill. I mean this truly, the blackpill is not a trivial concept. People have roped over this, killed others, destroyed lives, etc. It's not something your average Joe is supposed to know about - it's for those who went looking for reason and found it - not something you are exposed to. I'm not sure you quite understand the severity of this - kids aged 5-12 are being exposed to this calling others "sub 5", "acne in the big 25", "pray to gandy you ascend boyo". And sure, you can say this is "human nature" though not to this intensity (something I address later in my response). These are all terms I have heard during my travel across first and third world countries this year. When I noticed this, I knew it was over, a great chasm in my heart was formed.

Do you understand how impressionable little kids are? Once kids are exposed to content like this at a young age, it's over, and I truly mean that it is over. It becomes biologically engrained into them - this is their time to be learning culture around them and the culture they are learning is that of lookism. They are quite literally becoming physical embodiments of the blackpill via enculturation. And no, I do not mean this satirically.

Besides this effecting young(er) children, as it spreads to the masses, the issue persists with great strength. The masses start understanding,... 'waking up' so to speak.

It's about them knowing Why and How the world works around them. No longer will they cope with "ah man your personality wasn't good enough to get her" but rather "ye bro your sub 5". These copes, whether you'd like to accept it or not, are critical for society to function. Without a shadow of doubt, these copes have prevented ropes, helped people escape their darkest times, solved world problems. Copes allow people to continue to function, continue to form beautiful memories, continue to live their childhood and form those everlasting memories so many of us hold dear to our hearts. And who knows, maybe this is a cope in and of itself.

This is what all Elites are scared of - normies understanding how things work and why they function the way they do. We no longer have a society of obedient slaves, but rather leaders. That's the fear, the fear is people waking up. What happens when everyone understands how things work? You have revolt, you have an uprising, you have people understand the true nature of things.

This is analogues to Neo from the Matrix waking up from his everlasting torture in a predominately man-made world, or to those of you reading with a far sophiscated level of understanding, when the Plato's prisoner from the Allegory of the Cave sees the sunlight and enters the light for their first time.

You may be reading this as me not wanting others to have access to this "secret information" and although I believe that many of peoples' fears of this going mainstream is exactly that, this is not the case. Society can not operate with an army of freed-prisoners. Since the dawn of man, their have always been the enslaved and the enslavers. There is no way around it - this is how nature intendeted it to be - the ones gifted and the ones cursed. Those who had access to the highest quality ways of living, and those that didn't. Once you start drifting away from nature and having everyone adhere to the lookism philosophy, that's when things get scary. ​

And again although you are claiming I am strawmanning my argument, I believe I am simply laying it out as-is and presenting you with the facts at hand. This is a once in a lifetime paradigm shift where the prisoners exit their caves and walk into the light.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Pandora's box is open, and there is no going back.

Sorry for the ai bro

you made a lot of high IQ points but it's literally blown out of proportion.

I agree that people coping with copes is important to keep the society functional.

It gives a goal to live for even if the goal isn't any impactful.

It keeps the normies in place while allowing more determined people to achieve their goals with minimal competition and reap huge benefits.

But unleashing the truth to everybody does not guarantee that all of them take action

I wanna go back to the example of Andrew tate

He was super mainstream everyone talked about him

Some took real interest and inspiration while others just clowned him

But it didn't make the whole economy collapse.

He unleashed the whole truth that jobs and all of the "normal" way of life is go to school learn get a job retire and die is extremely outdated and doesn't lead to a fulfilling and free life.

But it didn't make everyone suddenly start a business and collapse the economy.

You barely actually heard of anyone becoming rich from that era.

Now I know that the examples are not on same level cuz one talks about money while the other does about the engraved desire from the birth to reproduce.

But it still is pretty similar and paint a good picture

People are average not because they don't know how to become exceptional but because they are lazy and are okay with being average

They'd rather laugh this whole thing off than to actually realize what is happening in this world.

Like from Andrew tate era people did not rush to start the business or hustle. They mainly clowned anybody and called everybody brokies.

And until majority will of people will think " I am chopped I need actual facial surgeries" nothing will happen.

And I'm talking millions of people ascending.

You are talking like some revolt will happen and slaves will arise from the eternal avregessnes but that isn't feasible.

Let me know

 

[theübermenschboy]

I agree and I do not spread nor want others to spread BP and I agree with this gatekeeping thing. I just think that the extent in which people will looksmax will be minuscule. Like your extremely good classmates are already good looking so there is nothing to change. I'm saying that any mtns and ltns that are not a threat to you will most likely not start any looksmaxxing crazy enough to ascend to above your level and mog you

I see your perspective , but what if they do take action, what if they do ascend . Then what will we do?
Better be safe than sorry!