Brutal balding/diffuse thinning at only 17 HELP NEEDED

@husshaider please give me the solution also. This is fully accurate what ive laid out.
I agree with u partially but i still have no idea if it’s properly a dht related issue and i wont know cuz of the fact that i dont rlly notice hairfall. Ur right in the sense that i need to go to an endo. Can i get a blood test to determine some of this stuff ?
 
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I agree with u partially but i still have no idea if it’s properly a dht related issue and i wont know cuz of the fact that i dont rlly notice hairfall. Ur right in the sense that i need to go to an endo. Can i get a blood test to determine some of this stuff ?
You show other symptoms. Im 99% confident.
 
This explained everything. Hair miniturizes until a point is crossed where it falls out because its too thin.

Youre so dumb im sorry please read next time.
Ok thank U i will
 
Ok thank U i will
Youre currently in a midway process. Other facial features and harmony show me insight into your genetic markup. Pairing this with the hair loss (its functionally loss) makes the picture even clearer. Maybe @Copercel can explain he seemed to like my post and i think he knows his shit somewhat
 
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You show other symptoms. Im 99% confident.
Alr i will update u with blood test results sooner or later. For the mean while, can i just start with topical minoxidil and then potentially start with dut or fin after determining if it’s a hormonal issue? Or should i just start everything at the same time
 
Youre currently in a midway process. Other facial features and harmony show me insight into your genetic markup. Pairing this with the hair loss (its functionally loss) makes the picture even clearer. Maybe @Copercel can explain he seemed to like my post and i think he knows his shit somewhat
Elaborate with the genetic makeup thing and what it has to do w my features and stuff i’m interested
 
everything at the same time. Minox has shedding phase which can be dangerous in your case.
Alr i will update u with blood test results sooner or later. For the mean while, can i just start with topical minoxidil and then potentially start with dut or fin after determining if it’s a hormonal issue? Or should i just start everything at the same time
 
everything at the same time. Minox has shedding phase which can be dangerous in your case.
Isn’t the shedding phase meant to be normal and just my hair replacing itself or some shit? I don’t see why hopping on finasteride afterwards would cause an issue
 
Isn’t the shedding phase meant to be normal and just my hair replacing itself or some shit? I don’t see why hopping on finasteride afterwards would cause an issue
DUDE YOUR HAIR IS FALLING OUT. If its gone because of minox shedding its gone forever.
 
DUDE YOUR HAIR IS FALLING OUT. If its gone because of minox shedding its gone forever.
But isn’t the hair shedding thing literally a part of the process? I don’t get why it matters
 
Elaborate with the genetic makeup thing and what it has to do w my features and stuff i’m interested
Genetic Markup. Your face is a mirror of your hormonal state. I expalined yours detailed in my AI respone. It may be AI but its very well written and just extended my idea simpler. Please read it damn
 
Youre currently in a midway process. Other facial features and harmony show me insight into your genetic markup. Pairing this with the hair loss (its functionally loss) makes the picture even clearer. Maybe @Copercel can explain he seemed to like my post and i think he knows his shit somewhat
I agree with you on what you said that’s why I repped, I think OP needs to listen carefully to what you said.

He surely needs to hop on a 5ARi ASAP, as well as RU

OP, Fix your health and listen to @iblamethebrain and you will reduce your chance to go bald by AT LEAST 80%
 
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But isn’t the hair shedding thing literally a part of the process? I don’t get why it matters
Because you are currently in a phase where hair follicles wont renew.
 
I agree with you on what you said that’s why I repped, I think OP needs to listen carefully to what you said.

He surely needs to hop on a 5ARi ASAP, as well as RU

OP, Fix your health and listen to @iblamethebrain and you will reduce your chance to go bald by AT LEAST 80%
Mirin. Cool dude.
 
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Genetic Markup. Your face is a mirror of your hormonal state. I expalined yours detailed in my AI respone. It may be AI but its very well written and just extended my idea simpler. Please read it damn
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Btw this is my hair from 3 years ago. Some might even say it’s just as bad comparatively to rn. I don’t think i have thinned further from that point
 
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Yeah bro my response explains it all if you would JUST FUCKING READ
It doesn’t bro. My hair has been equally thin for 3 years and ur response was fundamentally flawed considering it included terms like hairfall which is something i literally do not experience idk how many times i have to fucking explain that
 
It doesn’t bro. My hair has been equally thin for 3 years and ur response was fundamentally flawed considering it included terms like hairfall which is something i literally do not experience idk how many times i have to fucking explain that
BECAUSE YOUR DHT IS EQUALLY HIGH THE LAST 3 YEARS BRO.
 
BECAUSE YOUR DHT IS EQUALLY HIGH THE LAST 3 YEARS BRO.
Then why has it not worsened ??? Are u saying its in some fucking limbo state of high DHT where my hair is just fucked but won’t fall any further?
 
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It doesn’t bro. My hair has been equally thin for 3 years and ur response was fundamentally flawed considering it included terms like hairfall which is something i literally do not experience idk how many times i have to fucking explain that
Do you even realize how slow the process of balding actually takes? You will realize it too late unfortunately, we’re trying to help you

You need to start as soon as you can, and this is now
 
Youre beyond stupid im sorry. Im a med student btw i kinda, just kinda know. Im not the best, not a physician. But i KIIIIINDDDDAAA know my stuff.

THE PROCESS OF HAIRLOSS IS THE FOLLOWING:

HAIR GETS INCREASINGLY THINNER THROUGH DHT -> FALLS OUT SINCE THE SHAFT IS TOO SMALL TO HOLD THE FOLLICLE (simple said)

Your "shaft" holding the follicle seems to be holdding onto the last bit. Your hair will fall out. Its a process that takes time your fucking idiot and its multi layered not just some hair falls out. It gets thinner and thinner.

Please look at this:


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Then why has it not worsened ??? Are u saying its in some fucking limbo state of high DHT where my hair is just fucked but won’t fall any further?
Yes, thats exactly right. Your body needs one or two levers and it will be a rapid movement of hair actually falling out.

And btw what youre saying is not true too, you have experienced hairloss.

The only reason youre not experiencing hairloss that severely is your high e.
 
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My derm friend said this:

"Estrogen tends to prolong the anagen phase of hair follicles and reduces local androgen receptor sensitivity. It also improves scalp blood flow and increases anti-inflammatory signaling cascades so maybe if your DHT is high but your estradiol is proportionally high too, you might hold onto miniaturized follicles longer they’ll still be technically compromised follicles, but not yet fully dead."

Your case is closed and very simple.
 
I think btw i could accurately guess your hormonal markup if you get a bloodtest done roughly. I can at least tell you ranges. Im sorry, your case doesnt really have a unicorn answer. Its pretty simple.
 
Youre beyond stupid im sorry. Im a med student btw i kinda, just kinda know. Im not the best, not a physician. But i KIIIIINDDDDAAA know my stuff.

THE PROCESS OF HAIRLOSS IS THE FOLLOWING:

HAIR GETS INCREASINGLY THINNER THROUGH DHT -> FALLS OUT SINCE THE SHAFT IS TOO SMALL TO HOLD THE FOLLICLE (simple said)

Your "shaft" holding the follicle seems to be holdding onto the last bit. Your hair will fall out. Its a process that takes time your fucking idiot and its multi layered not just some hair falls out. It gets thinner and thinner.

Please look at this:


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U need to calm down a lil bit bro, otherwise ur hair might start falling too. And yeah im trying to understand what ur telling me, forgive me but not all of us are med students, so my knowledge on this stuff is very surface level hence why im asking what u perceive to be stupid questions
 
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I think btw i could accurately guess your hormonal markup if you get a bloodtest done roughly. I can at least tell you ranges. Im sorry, your case doesnt really have a unicorn answer. It’s pretty simple.
Alr i’ll get a blood test done within the next few days and ill update you.
 
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U need to calm down a lil bit bro, otherwise ur hair might start falling too. And yeah im trying to understand what ur telling me, forgive me but not all of us are med students, so my knowledge on this stuff is very surface level hence why im asking what u perceive to be stupid questions
Sorry. You're right. Im stressed. Exams tomorrow.
 
Alr i’ll get a blood test done within the next few days and ill update you.
I hope you have a good journey. Update me and ill help you out if i can.
 
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Sorry. You're right. Im stressed. Exams tomorrow.
No problem bro and I appreciate the help regarding this. I’ll be sure to keep u updated and good luck with ur exams 👍
 
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No problem bro and I appreciate the help regarding this. I’ll be sure to keep u updated and good luck with ur exams 👍
Thanks brother
 
I’m 17 and think i’m a classic case of a diffuse thinner. Ppl have been commenting on it for years and it’s pretty much one of my biggest insecurities. I need you guys to answer the questions below. Pls don’t comment some retarded shit i just want some replies to my questions. I’ll attach some pics too

1. My hair is insanely fucking thin but I have never actually noticed my hair falling out. They say u can lose 50 hairs a day and theres no harm. Meanwhile in my case, when i’m showering i don’t lose any hair and when i wake up i maybe have 1 hair on my pillow case max. Where is my hair going ??

2. I am gonna start taking 5% foam minoxidil. I don’t wanna start DHT blocking until i do a blood test, also i haven’t finished puberty so it might not be a good idea to hop on fin yet. Is this smart?

3. How do i apply the foam minoxidil?

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With a beard like that and chest hair already its not that surprising tbh. Those with a high predisposition to body hair also are more likely to have hair loss on the scalp (not always but in general). Also the ethnicities with the least hair loss (east asian, native american) are least predisposed. Men you will see also develop more body hair as they lose hair in the head. DHT sensitive people seem to be predisposed to both hair loss and body hair.

I would look for topical fin or dutasteride along with minoxidil (although the 5ar inhibitor is the most important thing). If you cant source topical finasteride or dutasteride id just probs use oral.

Wouldn't waste your time counting daily hairs tbh it fluctuates too much and in my experience you just become obsessive.
 
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How is your scalp massage is going btw? You saved your NW4 that way?
How's the weather in mumbai? still rotting like the typical 80 IQ jeet? just end yourself, your mother probably will only cry for a day and then have some relief her dipshit pajeet incel son is gone. "how is your scalp massage is going btw?" this pajeet can't even speak English. Who gave this dipshit internet access?
 
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post a pic of what it looks like outside your window pajeet, how many thousands of jeets shitting in the street or donkeys running around
 
Nobody not finished with puberty shows any of those symptoms. Please educate yourself he is finished. The only thing could be slight changes in growth hormone, driving him to be leaner.

Ofc the face remodels, but hes mostly done.
His development is not completely done, you don't know what you're talking about. The face remodels? growing 2cm in early 20s? face becoming maturer/more developed? You have no education, stay in school kiddo. This forum has basically just become a bunch of teenagers/20 year olds in a competition of who read chatgpt/wikipedia/pubmed better.
 
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Don't get on any kind of DHT blockers because DHT is crucial for puberty.

You're only 17 and you've got a really thick beard for someone your age, so I'm thinking you're just very sensitive to DHT. Either way, you should get a blood test to rule out any vitamin deficiencies.

I'd recommend oral minoxidil and applying Nizoral shampoo. You can also try using topical minoxidil & dermaroll your scalp to make sure it's all being absorbed. There are different sized needles for the dermarollers so just make sure you know which one you can use on your scalp (everyones skin/scalp is different and can tolerate different sized needles)

You might have to bite the bullet and just buzz it until you're 25 and can get on DHT blocking medications.
 
I’m 17 and think i’m a classic case of a diffuse thinner. Ppl have been commenting on it for years and it’s pretty much one of my biggest insecurities. I need you guys to answer the questions below. Pls don’t comment some retarded shit i just want some replies to my questions. I’ll attach some pics too

1. My hair is insanely fucking thin but I have never actually noticed my hair falling out. They say u can lose 50 hairs a day and theres no harm. Meanwhile in my case, when i’m showering i don’t lose any hair and when i wake up i maybe have 1 hair on my pillow case max. Where is my hair going ??

2. I am gonna start taking 5% foam minoxidil. I don’t wanna start DHT blocking until i do a blood test, also i haven’t finished puberty so it might not be a good idea to hop on fin yet. Is this smart?

3. How do i apply the foam minoxidil?

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fuck. it looks really bad. u should go to a doctor, because ur very young for that. u mention that u don't lose hair in the shower, and that's very weird for a case like urs where clearly the hair loss is very aggressive. now the problem with taking minoxidil is that u should take it forever; the moment u stop, u will lose everything that u gained. another important question: is baldness something that runs in your family (father or mother related)? if yes, that probably means that u're destined to be bald, but still u're very young for that.
 
How's the weather in mumbai? still rotting like the typical 80 IQ jeet? just end yourself, your mother probably will only cry for a day and then have some relief her dipshit pajeet incel son is gone. "how is your scalp massage is going btw?" this pajeet can't even speak English. Who gave this dipshit internet access?
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until you're 25
Why in the hell would he wait till 25 for using a 5ARi :ogre:

OP probably finished puberty and if he didn’t, he doesn’t have much time left anyway. He should already hop on at 18/19 age.
 
Why in the hell would he wait till 25 for using a 5ARi :ogre:

OP probably finished puberty and if he didn’t, he doesn’t have much time left anyway. He should already hop on at 18/19 age.
Because DHT is important and you don't want to get rid of your bodies DHT levels until you're absolutely sure it won't have side effects. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize that it's not good to mess with DHT levels you're young.
 
Because DHT is important and you don't want to get rid of your bodies DHT levels until you're absolutely sure it won't have side effects. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize that it's not good to mess with DHT levels you're young.
He will be fine. Using a 5ARi at 19 is completely normal and he will most likely won’t have any side effects, especially if he will believe he won’t (since most side effects people get from dut/fin is nocebo).
until you're absolutely sure it won't have side effects
And wtf this means :ogre:, you can’t be sure about anything, does it mean you won’t use it? No. What effects does DHT have on your body after puberty other than giving you BPH :ROFLMAO:

I hope you’re not going to say muh ED lol, happens to a very small amount of people and like I said it’s mostly not the drug itself but the a nocebo effect since people on the internet fearmonger other people that it’s a tranny drug blah blah.

Even if it will cause someone ED which is already very rare, I think being bald is worse than having an erectile-less dick.
 
He will be fine. Using a 5ARi at 19 is completely normal and he will most likely won’t have any side effects, especially if he will believe he won’t (since most side effects people get from dut/fin is nocebo).

And wtf this means :ogre:, you can’t be sure about anything, does it mean you won’t use it? No. What effects does DHT have on your body after puberty other than giving you BPH :ROFLMAO:

I hope you’re not going to say muh ED lol, happens to a very small amount of people and like I said it’s mostly not the drug itself but the a nocebo effect since people on the internet fearmonger other people that it’s a tranny drug blah blah.

Even if it will cause someone ED which is already very rare, I think being bald is worse than having an erectile-less dick.
He said he's 17, not 19. And I don't know if you know but puberty doesn't end that early for men. DHT is also important for your brain too in terms of masculinization and other things. And I do agree that a majority of people read up about PFS and convince themselves they have symptoms, but it's extremely important not to take finasteride/DHT blockers that young (especially before 20) - this is why any good doctor will be hesitant to prescribe finasteride before around 25. I myself take finasteride, and I have no negative side effects, but that's because I waited till I was older to take it when DHT had already done what it needed to do.

If you think it's a good idea to touch any DHT blockers before you're at least 21, then I don't know what to say, but it's not good advice.
 
He said he's 17, not 19
I am not talking about now, I’m talking about what he should do in the future
DHT is also important for your brain too in terms of masculinization and other things.
The impact it has on your brain is very subtle after the age of 20, but your hairloss is extreme at that age (if you were in OP’s situation).

If he would take dut/fin at 19 and at 23 for example, the changes would be the same for his brain.
If you think it's a good idea to touch any DHT blockers before you're at least 21, then I don't know what to say, but it's not good advice.
I think that specifically for OP’s case, he should hop on at 19 max. He should consult with his doctor tho because it might not be AGA after all and he’s just a diffuse thinner
 
He said he's 17, not 19. And I don't know if you know but puberty doesn't end that early for men. DHT is also important for your brain too in terms of masculinization and other things. And I do agree that a majority of people read up about PFS and convince themselves they have symptoms, but it's extremely important not to take finasteride/DHT blockers that young (especially before 20) - this is why any good doctor will be hesitant to prescribe finasteride before around 25. I myself take finasteride, and I have no negative side effects, but that's because I waited till I was older to take it when DHT had already done what it needed to do.

If you think it's a good idea to touch any DHT blockers before you're at least 21, then I don't know what to say, but it's not good advice.
1. man made numbers don’t determine when puberty is done or not, everyone has different biological age
2. ur right about fact that puberty NORMALLY has to end way later in men but nowadays it’s not the case, we see the same thing with women. 100 years ago it was normal for a girl to have her period at 18. now some girls have their periods at 10 even sometimes. reasoning is a bit controversial but that’s a fact that we enter puberty and end it much earlier than we should and by taking a look at this guy it’s quite obvious he’s already done with it
3. but still i agree with you: ideally you still shouldn’t take any dht blockers at all since it affects u even in ur adulthood. i think it’s up to him overall, i would probably use dht blockers if i was him since hair is life
 
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1. man made numbers don’t determine when puberty is done or not, everyone has different biological age
2. ur right about fact that puberty NORMALLY has to end way later in men but nowadays it’s not the case, we see the same thing with women. 100 years ago it was normal for a girl to have her period at 18. now some girls have their periods at 10 even sometimes. reasoning is a bit controversial but that’s a fact that we enter puberty and end it much earlier than we should and by taking a look at this guy it’s quite obvious he’s already done with it
3. but still i agree with you: ideally you still shouldn’t take any dht blockers at all since it affects u even in ur adulthood. i think it’s up to him overall, i would probably use dht blockers if i was him since hair is life
Good points, but even if it looks like he's done with puberty, I wouldn't necessarily say that it's 100% a fact that he IS done with puberty. Like I said DHT has effects on your brain as well. At 17 it's not fair to say that crucial hormones like DHT and test have had their full effect on his brain & body. 17 is still very young and I don't think a majority of men are fully done with puberty at 17. Maybe a minority of men are but I don't think it's wise to take anything that affects androgens/hormones before you're absolutely sure that you've had enough time growing for them to fully affect you. This is why doctors will be very hesitant to prescribe finasteride to people under 21 and honestly a lot of them won't even prescribe it until you're about 25 or so.
 
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He said he's 17, not 19. And I don't know if you know but puberty doesn't end that early for men. DHT is also important for your brain too in terms of masculinization and other things. And I do agree that a majority of people read up about PFS and convince themselves they have symptoms, but it's extremely important not to take finasteride/DHT blockers that young (especially before 20) - this is why any good doctor will be hesitant to prescribe finasteride before around 25. I myself take finasteride, and I have no negative side effects, but that's because I waited till I was older to take it when DHT had already done what it needed to do.

If you think it's a good idea to touch any DHT blockers before you're at least 21, then I don't know what to say, but it's not good advice.
So would you say it’s a smart idea if I just start applying minoxidil now, and later down the line once I’m maybe 20 or smthn I start taking finasteride as well? Or do i have to start both at the same time
 
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So would you say it’s a smart idea if I just start applying minoxidil now, and later down the line once I’m maybe 20 or smthn I start taking finasteride as well? Or do i have to start both at the same time
Don’t use fin, use dut if you’re planning at even using 5ARi at the first place
 
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