BUILDING NEW BONE: Vitamin K2 MEGADOSING Thread [WITH SOURCES]

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Not so long ago, I've found this interesting article (medical studies at the bottom): High Dose Vitamin K2 Builds New Bone

"Vitamin K2 has been shown, in preclinical studies, to promote:
  • An increase in bone-building osteoblast activity, and
  • A reduction in bone-destroying osteoclast activity."
"Clinical trials have demonstrated that 45 mg of vitamin K2 (menaquinone-4) helps to:
  • Slow bone loss,
  • Reduce fracture risk, and
  • Build new bone."
THEN, I've stumbled upon this even more fascinating PDF: Vitamin K2, And the End of Osteoporosis
I became very intrigued.
The guy who wrote this is a doctor, you can learn about him on one of the pages. I strongly recommend to read the whole thing and research even more but I'm going to copy and paste the most important stuff. Info on the terminology:
Osteocalcin
Osteoclasts


What Does K2 Do?
• 1. Activates proteins responsible for calcium and phosphorous
deposition in bones and teeth
• 2. Directs childhood and infant growth by preventing premature
calcification of cartilage and bones
• 3. Plays an important role in reproduction. Sperm has high levels of
osteocalcin, dependent on K2
• 4. Activates proteins that cells are signaled to produce by Vitamins A
and D (This is where osteocalcin and bone growth comes in)
• 5. Protects mouth, teeth and gums in saliva
• 6. Protects against calcification and inflammation of blood vessels
and the accumulation of plaque
• 7. Helps make myelin sheath of nerve cells, improving learning
• 8. Essential for proper facial development with full arch and less
crowded teeth.
• 9. Dramatic insulin effect through osteocalcin activation

Other Effects of K2:
• Inhibits Osteoclasts
• Stops bone breakdown so osteoblastic (building up) activity
can catch up
• (Kameda et al Vit K2 inhibits osteoclastic bone resorption by inducing
osteoclast apoptosis. Biochem Biophys Res Commun 1996 March 27,
220(3):515‐19)
• MENOPAUSE: Estrogen levels drop
• Osteoclast activity rises
• IL‐6 rises – which stimulates MORE osteoclasts
• Chew up more bone
• K 2 reverses the IL‐6 increase and the osteoclast increase
• MK‐7 reverses menopausal bone density changes


How Much K do we Need?
• Current American dietary advice doesn’t distinguish between
K1 and K 2– which makes the advice incomplete.
• Most folks have K1 function fully and completely activated,
with dramatic shortfalls in K 2
• European Consensus Meeting 2004: We need new guidelines
for K2 (Europ Jr Nutr 2004 p 325)
• Rotterdam Study: J Nutrition. 2004 p 1171: 57% risk
reduction for death from heart attack with top third of MK4
and 25% all cause mortality reduction: top to bottom third
comparisons

Cancer:
• EPIC study from Europe:
• 24,000 men and women from ages 35‐64 followed for 10 years.
1,755 cases of cancer developed, 458 died from it
• Results: independent of all other variable
• Highest K 2 level had 30% less cancer risk
• Dietary intake of MK‐4 was more strongly inversely associated with
fatal cancer than cancer incidence
• Fruits and veges are also strongly protective, and they have lots of K 1
in them. But K1 showed no benefit. Only K 2
• Source of K2 in Europe?........ (Not natto)
• Cheese, grass raised cows
• Nimptsch et al Vit K intake in relation to cancer Am J Clin Nutr 2010,
91(5):1348‐58
• Prostate Cancer: same finding. Cheese had more MK‐7 and lowered
risk of aggressive cancer. Nimptsch et al Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2009, 18(1):49

Fertility:
• Male sperm counts have been decreasing by 1% a year for
decades in Western countries
• Male infertility is now common (Dindyal Int J Urol 2004, 2(1))
• In Men and Women: sex hormones play a critical role in bone
density. They spike in puberty, as does bone density
• Women lose 25% of bone mass with menopause
• In Men, osteocalcin induces the production of testosterone
• Mice: osteocalcin deficient males have 60‐80% lower T and
have smaller litters and less frequent litters
• Osteocalcin binds to testicular Leydig cells, where T is made

Kidney Disease:
• K2 deficiency is common in chronic kidney disease
• Increases as kidney disease progresses
• Blood vessel calcification progresses as well
• (Holden et al Vit K and D in chronic kidney disease Clin J AM Soc Nephrol
2010 Apr, 5(4):590‐97)
• Renal “osteodystrophy” also progresses, a distinct form of
osteoporosis that also has density loss



Facial Shape:
• Considered the most significant finding of Weston Price’s work
• Price’s findings showed that indigenous cultures with pre‐
western foods had broad faces, stronger jaws, never needed
to have wisdom teeth extractions or braces
• Indigenous societies had special food for young couples
planning on having babies: often eggs, fish eggs
• Price never got past “Activator X”.
• All starts with nasal cartilage. It is rich in MGP protein in the
fetus. With no K2, it is not activated and premature
calcification stunts the growth of the face resulting in
underdevelopment of middle and lower third of face
• Howe et al Vit K‐its essential role in craniofacial
development: a review Austr Den J 1994, 39(2):88‐92

People who eat a diet full of K2 have great dental health:

Screenshot 2023 12 01 at 21 03 46 Microsoft PowerPoint   Whitcomb John Vitamin K2 Froedert Wom


This is an xray of two sisters:
Screenshot 2023 12 01 at 19 56 09 Microsoft PowerPoint   Whitcomb John Vitamin K2 Froedert Wom
What is the difference? The mother recieved K2 supplementation during pregnancy BUT only with the girl on the right.

I suggest you draw your own conclusions.


K2 deficiency is VERY common.


This is just the tip of the iceberg of what it does. Vitamin K2 is responsible for correct facial growth, so no amount of growth hormone boosting or mewing when you are a teenager will get you a good facial bone structure if you are severely deficient in this nutrient. It's still better to address the core issue when you are older and you may still get some benefits.

Which form of K2 should you take?

Either MK4 or MK7.
MK7 is a good form, but MK4 might be more effective and have other benefits:
Study
It's more costly and has a shorter half-life (>1day) than MK7 (3 days), meaning you might need to take it more frequently.


How much should you take daily?
Vitamin K2 builds up in your body over time. There is no need to take ridiculously high doses like 10, 20 or 30mg. This study on women with menopause shows that "compared to 5 mg/day, there was no additional benefit of 45 mg/day" and "supplementation with either 5 or 45 mg/day of MK-4 reduces ucOC (carboxylation of osteocalcin) to concentrations typical of healthy, pre-menopausal women."

I would recommend taking anywhere between 400mcg and 800mcg if you are taking it daily and for the long run. Any bigger dose would bring diminishing returns. There is almost no risk since vitamin K has a very low potential for toxicity.. This is why there is no established Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) set for vitamin K. It's hard to take too much unless you do it on purpose for some reason.

Make sure if you are getting a lot of these foods if you are not supplementing with K2: Foods rich in K2. Another great article with studies which shows what K2 does from killing cavities to protecting your heart.

Warning:
While taking K2, you need to make sure your magnesium levels are normal, there are people who experienced heart palpitations because of too low magnesium or other essential mineral in their body. Vitamin K2 can actually protect the heart if you met these requirements.



My verdict: If you are >21 and you are not taking high doses of K2 or K2 in general you ARE hindering your facial and skeletal growth.
 
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Not so long ago, I've found this interesting article (medical studies at the bottom): High Dose Vitamin K2 Builds New Bone

"Vitamin K2 has been shown, in preclinical studies, to promote:
  • An increase in bone-building osteoblast activity, and
  • A reduction in bone-destroying osteoclast activity."
"Clinical trials have demonstrated that 45 mg of vitamin K2 (menaquinone-4) helps to:
  • Slow bone loss,
  • Reduce fracture risk, and
  • Build new bone."
THEN, I've stumbled upon this even more fascinating PDF: Vitamin K2, And the End of Osteoporosis
I became very intrigued.
The guy who wrote this is a doctor, you can learn about him on one of the pages. I strongly recommend to read the whole thing and research even more but I'm going to copy and paste the most important stuff. Info on the terminology:
Osteocalcin
Osteoclasts


What Does K2 Do?
• 1. Activates proteins responsible for calcium and phosphorous
deposition in bones and teeth
• 2. Directs childhood and infant growth by preventing premature
calcification of cartilage and bones
• 3. Plays an important role in reproduction. Sperm has high levels of
osteocalcin, dependent on K2
• 4. Activates proteins that cells are signaled to produce by Vitamins A
and D (This is where osteocalcin and bone growth comes in)
• 5. Protects mouth, teeth and gums in saliva
• 6. Protects against calcification and inflammation of blood vessels
and the accumulation of plaque
• 7. Helps make myelin sheath of nerve cells, improving learning
• 8. Essential for proper facial development with full arch and less
crowded teeth.
• 9. Dramatic insulin effect through osteocalcin activation

Other Effects of K2:
• Inhibits Osteoclasts
• Stops bone breakdown so osteoblastic (building up) activity
can catch up
• (Kameda et al Vit K2 inhibits osteoclastic bone resorption by inducing
osteoclast apoptosis. Biochem Biophys Res Commun 1996 March 27,
220(3):515‐19)
• MENOPAUSE: Estrogen levels drop
• Osteoclast activity rises
• IL‐6 rises – which stimulates MORE osteoclasts
• Chew up more bone
• K 2 reverses the IL‐6 increase and the osteoclast increase
• MK‐7 reverses menopausal bone density changes


How Much K do we Need?
• Current American dietary advice doesn’t distinguish between
K1 and K 2– which makes the advice incomplete.
• Most folks have K1 function fully and completely activated,
with dramatic shortfalls in K 2
• European Consensus Meeting 2004: We need new guidelines
for K2 (Europ Jr Nutr 2004 p 325)
• Rotterdam Study: J Nutrition. 2004 p 1171: 57% risk
reduction for death from heart attack with top third of MK4
and 25% all cause mortality reduction: top to bottom third
comparisons

Cancer:
• EPIC study from Europe:
• 24,000 men and women from ages 35‐64 followed for 10 years.
1,755 cases of cancer developed, 458 died from it
• Results: independent of all other variable
• Highest K 2 level had 30% less cancer risk
• Dietary intake of MK‐4 was more strongly inversely associated with
fatal cancer than cancer incidence
• Fruits and veges are also strongly protective, and they have lots of K 1
in them. But K1 showed no benefit. Only K 2
• Source of K2 in Europe?........ (Not natto)
• Cheese, grass raised cows
• Nimptsch et al Vit K intake in relation to cancer Am J Clin Nutr 2010,
91(5):1348‐58
• Prostate Cancer: same finding. Cheese had more MK‐7 and lowered
risk of aggressive cancer. Nimptsch et al Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2009, 18(1):49

Fertility:
• Male sperm counts have been decreasing by 1% a year for
decades in Western countries
• Male infertility is now common (Dindyal Int J Urol 2004, 2(1))
• In Men and Women: sex hormones play a critical role in bone
density. They spike in puberty, as does bone density
• Women lose 25% of bone mass with menopause
• In Men, osteocalcin induces the production of testosterone
• Mice: osteocalcin deficient males have 60‐80% lower T and
have smaller litters and less frequent litters
• Osteocalcin binds to testicular Leydig cells, where T is made

Kidney Disease:
• K2 deficiency is common in chronic kidney disease
• Increases as kidney disease progresses
• Blood vessel calcification progresses as well
• (Holden et al Vit K and D in chronic kidney disease Clin J AM Soc Nephrol
2010 Apr, 5(4):590‐97)
• Renal “osteodystrophy” also progresses, a distinct form of
osteoporosis that also has density loss



Facial Shape:
• Considered the most significant finding of Weston Price’s work
• Price’s findings showed that indigenous cultures with pre‐
western foods had broad faces, stronger jaws, never needed
to have wisdom teeth extractions or braces
• Indigenous societies had special food for young couples
planning on having babies: often eggs, fish eggs
• Price never got past “Activator X”.
• All starts with nasal cartilage. It is rich in MGP protein in the
fetus. With no K2, it is not activated and premature
calcification stunts the growth of the face resulting in
underdevelopment of middle and lower third of face
• Howe et al Vit K‐its essential role in craniofacial
development: a review Austr Den J 1994, 39(2):88‐92

People who eat a diet full of K2 have great dental health:

View attachment 2583644


This is an xray of two sisters:
View attachment 2583531
What is the difference? The mother recieved K2 supplementation during pregnancy BUT only with the girl on the right.

I suggest you draw your own conclusions.

K2 deficiency is VERY common.


This is just the tip of the iceberg of what it does. Vitamin K2 is responsible for correct facial growth, so no amount of growth hormone boosting or mewing when you are a teenager will get you a good facial bone structure if you are severely deficient in this nutrient. It's still better to address the core issue when you are older and you may still get some benefits.

Which form of K2 should you take?
Either MK4 or MK7.
MK7 is a good form, but MK4 might be more effective and have other benefits:
Study
It's more costly and has a shorter half-life (>1day) than MK7 (3 days), meaning you might need to take it more frequently.


How much should you take daily?
Vitamin K2 builds up in your body over time. There is no need to take ridiculously high doses like 10, 20 or 30mg. This study on women with menopause shows that "compared to 5 mg/day, there was no additional benefit of 45 mg/day" and "supplementation with either 5 or 45 mg/day of MK-4 reduces ucOC (carboxylation of osteocalcin) to concentrations typical of healthy, pre-menopausal women."

I would recommend taking anywhere between 400mcg and 800mcg if you are taking it daily and for the long run. Any bigger dose would bring diminishing returns. There is almost no risk since vitamin K has a very low potential for toxicity.. This is why there is no established Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) set for vitamin K. It's hard to take too much unless you do it on purpose for some reason.

Make sure if you are getting a lot of these foods if you are not supplementing with K2: Foods rich in K2. Another great article with studies which shows what K2 does from killing cavities to protecting your heart.

Warning:
While taking K2, you need to make sure your magnesium levels are normal, there are people who experienced heart palpitations because of too low magnesium or other essential mineral in their body. Vitamin K2 can actually protect the heart if you met these requirements.



My verdict: If you are >21 and you are not taking high doses of K2 or K2 in general you ARE hindering your facial and skeletal growth.
There are users here and elsewhere over 21 who have megadosed k2 with notable bone density increases. no age cutoff in my opinion as its bone-building effects are based on bone remodeling rather than "growth"
 
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Did read now this sounds so heavenly!!!
I take 40mcg Vitamin K2 (as menaquinone-4) daily is it enough!!!
 
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Hey bro, great thread about it, you seem knowledgeable about K2 so I have a question, if K2 is essential for bone and even reduces fracture risk would it increase bone density/thickness?
 
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Muh K2, literally eat animal foods. They all got K2 and everything else you could possibly need. You need to eat muscle meat, organs and skin. What you are made out of, it's just that simple. Eggs are great too since they are literally an entire chick and everything it needs to grow.
 
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Muh K2, literally eat animal foods. They all got K2 and everything else you could possibly need. You need to eat muscle meat, organs and skin. What you are made out of, it's just that simple. Eggs are great too since they are literally an entire chick and everything it needs to grow.
Jfl at retards eating vegetables and grains, you eat what my food eats. Literal prey cucks.
 
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Muh K2, literally eat animal foods. They all got K2 and everything else you could possibly need. You need to eat muscle meat, organs and skin. What you are made out of, it's just that simple. Eggs are great too since they are literally an entire chick and everything it needs to grow.
WHAT ABOUT MILK!!
 
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WHAT ABOUT MILK!!
You can drink it if you tolerate it but not needed, I don't drink it anymore cause it gives me bacne. Only cheese cause life sucks without cheese.
 
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I've been on 180mg of K2 but MK7 Is it over? All MK4 are more expensive and from shitty brands.
 
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I've been on 180mg of K2 but MK7 Is it over? All MK4 are more expensive and from shitty brands.
you mean mcg and not mg.
doesn't need to be mk4, mk7 is still okay and has a better half life, just take at least 120mcg more or eat more meat and eggs.
 
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Hey bro, great thread about it, you seem knowledgeable about K2 so I have a question, if K2 is essential for bone and even reduces fracture risk would it increase bone density/thickness?
it has the potential to do so, look at the studies i posted
you mentioned that you are going to get myobrace? k2 inreases osteoblast activity which builds bones, i think it would even be beneficial for your orthodontic treatment, read my thread
 
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it has the potential to do so, look at the studies i posted
you mentioned that you are going to get myobrace? k2 inreases osteoblast activity which builds bones, i think it would even be beneficial for your orthodontic treatment, read my thread
Oh yeah, I'm a teen going to get myobraces for fixing my skull bones but they have to be malleable for that to work, but if K2 can make bones thicker or denser wouldn't it make it harder to change them due to them being thicker? Would you recommend me taking it still?

My bones grew "inwards" kind of
 
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Oh yeah, I'm a teen going to get myobraces for fixing my skull bones but they have to be malleable for that to work, but if K2 can make bones thicker or denser wouldn't it make it harder to change them due to them being thicker? Would you recommend me taking it still?

My bones grew "inwards" kind of
you mean that you are recessed? definetely take k2

it doesn't fuse your sutures or makes your bones unmalleable it promotes bone growth

k2 is great for teeth and overall dental health
 
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you mean that you are recessed? definetely take k2

it doesn't fuse your sutures or makes your bones unmalleable it promotes bone growth

k2 is great for teeth and overall dental health
Bonesmashing tutorial coming soon?
 
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you mean that you are recessed? definetely take k2

it doesn't fuse your sutures or makes your bones unmalleable it promotes bone growth

k2 is great for teeth and overall dental health
Thanks, just one more question do you know if I have assymetryes the bone growth pattern would follow the assymetrical way? One side of my face is "lower" than the other kinda like Ryan Gosling yk
 
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Thanks, just one more question do you know if I have assymetryes the bone growth pattern would follow the assymetrical way? One side of my face is "lower" than the other kinda like Ryan Gosling yk
i have no idea
ask your ortho about this
if its is not a skeletal asymmetry just start sleeping on your back and eventually it will get better
 
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Will this work for me if I'm 22? The puberty is most likely over - I'm fine with height (6'2) just want to make my bones "thicker" (I have tiny forearms/wrists/bones jfl). Will gymcelling and megadosing d3/k2 do anything or is it over at this age?
 
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@polishcel how should i dose 5mg of mk-4 ?
Frequency, duration etc ?
 
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so this could help me grow taller at 15 5'9 btw
Not so long ago, I've found this interesting article (medical studies at the bottom): High Dose Vitamin K2 Builds New Bone

"Vitamin K2 has been shown, in preclinical studies, to promote:
  • An increase in bone-building osteoblast activity, and
  • A reduction in bone-destroying osteoclast activity."
"Clinical trials have demonstrated that 45 mg of vitamin K2 (menaquinone-4) helps to:
  • Slow bone loss,
  • Reduce fracture risk, and
  • Build new bone."
THEN, I've stumbled upon this even more fascinating PDF: Vitamin K2, And the End of Osteoporosis
I became very intrigued.
The guy who wrote this is a doctor, you can learn about him on one of the pages. I strongly recommend to read the whole thing and research even more but I'm going to copy and paste the most important stuff. Info on the terminology:
Osteocalcin
Osteoclasts


What Does K2 Do?
• 1. Activates proteins responsible for calcium and phosphorous
deposition in bones and teeth
• 2. Directs childhood and infant growth by preventing premature
calcification of cartilage and bones
• 3. Plays an important role in reproduction. Sperm has high levels of
osteocalcin, dependent on K2
• 4. Activates proteins that cells are signaled to produce by Vitamins A
and D (This is where osteocalcin and bone growth comes in)
• 5. Protects mouth, teeth and gums in saliva
• 6. Protects against calcification and inflammation of blood vessels
and the accumulation of plaque
• 7. Helps make myelin sheath of nerve cells, improving learning
• 8. Essential for proper facial development with full arch and less
crowded teeth.
• 9. Dramatic insulin effect through osteocalcin activation

Other Effects of K2:
• Inhibits Osteoclasts
• Stops bone breakdown so osteoblastic (building up) activity
can catch up
• (Kameda et al Vit K2 inhibits osteoclastic bone resorption by inducing
osteoclast apoptosis. Biochem Biophys Res Commun 1996 March 27,
220(3):515‐19)
• MENOPAUSE: Estrogen levels drop
• Osteoclast activity rises
• IL‐6 rises – which stimulates MORE osteoclasts
• Chew up more bone
• K 2 reverses the IL‐6 increase and the osteoclast increase
• MK‐7 reverses menopausal bone density changes


How Much K do we Need?
• Current American dietary advice doesn’t distinguish between
K1 and K 2– which makes the advice incomplete.
• Most folks have K1 function fully and completely activated,
with dramatic shortfalls in K 2
• European Consensus Meeting 2004: We need new guidelines
for K2 (Europ Jr Nutr 2004 p 325)
• Rotterdam Study: J Nutrition. 2004 p 1171: 57% risk
reduction for death from heart attack with top third of MK4
and 25% all cause mortality reduction: top to bottom third
comparisons

Cancer:
• EPIC study from Europe:
• 24,000 men and women from ages 35‐64 followed for 10 years.
1,755 cases of cancer developed, 458 died from it
• Results: independent of all other variable
• Highest K 2 level had 30% less cancer risk
• Dietary intake of MK‐4 was more strongly inversely associated with
fatal cancer than cancer incidence
• Fruits and veges are also strongly protective, and they have lots of K 1
in them. But K1 showed no benefit. Only K 2
• Source of K2 in Europe?........ (Not natto)
• Cheese, grass raised cows
• Nimptsch et al Vit K intake in relation to cancer Am J Clin Nutr 2010,
91(5):1348‐58
• Prostate Cancer: same finding. Cheese had more MK‐7 and lowered
risk of aggressive cancer. Nimptsch et al Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2009, 18(1):49

Fertility:
• Male sperm counts have been decreasing by 1% a year for
decades in Western countries
• Male infertility is now common (Dindyal Int J Urol 2004, 2(1))
• In Men and Women: sex hormones play a critical role in bone
density. They spike in puberty, as does bone density
• Women lose 25% of bone mass with menopause
• In Men, osteocalcin induces the production of testosterone
• Mice: osteocalcin deficient males have 60‐80% lower T and
have smaller litters and less frequent litters
• Osteocalcin binds to testicular Leydig cells, where T is made

Kidney Disease:
• K2 deficiency is common in chronic kidney disease
• Increases as kidney disease progresses
• Blood vessel calcification progresses as well
• (Holden et al Vit K and D in chronic kidney disease Clin J AM Soc Nephrol
2010 Apr, 5(4):590‐97)
• Renal “osteodystrophy” also progresses, a distinct form of
osteoporosis that also has density loss



Facial Shape:
• Considered the most significant finding of Weston Price’s work
• Price’s findings showed that indigenous cultures with pre‐
western foods had broad faces, stronger jaws, never needed
to have wisdom teeth extractions or braces
• Indigenous societies had special food for young couples
planning on having babies: often eggs, fish eggs
• Price never got past “Activator X”.
• All starts with nasal cartilage. It is rich in MGP protein in the
fetus. With no K2, it is not activated and premature
calcification stunts the growth of the face resulting in
underdevelopment of middle and lower third of face
• Howe et al Vit K‐its essential role in craniofacial
development: a review Austr Den J 1994, 39(2):88‐92

People who eat a diet full of K2 have great dental health:

View attachment 2583644


This is an xray of two sisters:
View attachment 2583531
What is the difference? The mother recieved K2 supplementation during pregnancy BUT only with the girl on the right.

I suggest you draw your own conclusions.

K2 deficiency is VERY common.


This is just the tip of the iceberg of what it does. Vitamin K2 is responsible for correct facial growth, so no amount of growth hormone boosting or mewing when you are a teenager will get you a good facial bone structure if you are severely deficient in this nutrient. It's still better to address the core issue when you are older and you may still get some benefits.

Which form of K2 should you take?
Either MK4 or MK7.
MK7 is a good form, but MK4 might be more effective and have other benefits:
Study
It's more costly and has a shorter half-life (>1day) than MK7 (3 days), meaning you might need to take it more frequently.


How much should you take daily?
Vitamin K2 builds up in your body over time. There is no need to take ridiculously high doses like 10, 20 or 30mg. This study on women with menopause shows that "compared to 5 mg/day, there was no additional benefit of 45 mg/day" and "supplementation with either 5 or 45 mg/day of MK-4 reduces ucOC (carboxylation of osteocalcin) to concentrations typical of healthy, pre-menopausal women."

I would recommend taking anywhere between 400mcg and 800mcg if you are taking it daily and for the long run. Any bigger dose would bring diminishing returns. There is almost no risk since vitamin K has a very low potential for toxicity.. This is why there is no established Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) set for vitamin K. It's hard to take too much unless you do it on purpose for some reason.

Make sure if you are getting a lot of these foods if you are not supplementing with K2: Foods rich in K2. Another great article with studies which shows what K2 does from killing cavities to protecting your heart.

Warning:
While taking K2, you need to make sure your magnesium levels are normal, there are people who experienced heart palpitations because of too low magnesium or other essential mineral in their body. Vitamin K2 can actually protect the heart if you met these requirements.



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considering the fact that 90% of people have a deficiency of k2, yes
 
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Not so long ago, I've found this interesting article (medical studies at the bottom): High Dose Vitamin K2 Builds New Bone

"Vitamin K2 has been shown, in preclinical studies, to promote:
  • An increase in bone-building osteoblast activity, and
  • A reduction in bone-destroying osteoclast activity."
"Clinical trials have demonstrated that 45 mg of vitamin K2 (menaquinone-4) helps to:
  • Slow bone loss,
  • Reduce fracture risk, and
  • Build new bone."
THEN, I've stumbled upon this even more fascinating PDF: Vitamin K2, And the End of Osteoporosis
I became very intrigued.
The guy who wrote this is a doctor, you can learn about him on one of the pages. I strongly recommend to read the whole thing and research even more but I'm going to copy and paste the most important stuff. Info on the terminology:
Osteocalcin
Osteoclasts


What Does K2 Do?
• 1. Activates proteins responsible for calcium and phosphorous
deposition in bones and teeth
• 2. Directs childhood and infant growth by preventing premature
calcification of cartilage and bones
• 3. Plays an important role in reproduction. Sperm has high levels of
osteocalcin, dependent on K2
• 4. Activates proteins that cells are signaled to produce by Vitamins A
and D (This is where osteocalcin and bone growth comes in)
• 5. Protects mouth, teeth and gums in saliva
• 6. Protects against calcification and inflammation of blood vessels
and the accumulation of plaque
• 7. Helps make myelin sheath of nerve cells, improving learning
• 8. Essential for proper facial development with full arch and less
crowded teeth.
• 9. Dramatic insulin effect through osteocalcin activation

Other Effects of K2:
• Inhibits Osteoclasts
• Stops bone breakdown so osteoblastic (building up) activity
can catch up
• (Kameda et al Vit K2 inhibits osteoclastic bone resorption by inducing
osteoclast apoptosis. Biochem Biophys Res Commun 1996 March 27,
220(3):515‐19)
• MENOPAUSE: Estrogen levels drop
• Osteoclast activity rises
• IL‐6 rises – which stimulates MORE osteoclasts
• Chew up more bone
• K 2 reverses the IL‐6 increase and the osteoclast increase
• MK‐7 reverses menopausal bone density changes


How Much K do we Need?
• Current American dietary advice doesn’t distinguish between
K1 and K 2– which makes the advice incomplete.
• Most folks have K1 function fully and completely activated,
with dramatic shortfalls in K 2
• European Consensus Meeting 2004: We need new guidelines
for K2 (Europ Jr Nutr 2004 p 325)
• Rotterdam Study: J Nutrition. 2004 p 1171: 57% risk
reduction for death from heart attack with top third of MK4
and 25% all cause mortality reduction: top to bottom third
comparisons

Cancer:
• EPIC study from Europe:
• 24,000 men and women from ages 35‐64 followed for 10 years.
1,755 cases of cancer developed, 458 died from it
• Results: independent of all other variable
• Highest K 2 level had 30% less cancer risk
• Dietary intake of MK‐4 was more strongly inversely associated with
fatal cancer than cancer incidence
• Fruits and veges are also strongly protective, and they have lots of K 1
in them. But K1 showed no benefit. Only K 2
• Source of K2 in Europe?........ (Not natto)
• Cheese, grass raised cows
• Nimptsch et al Vit K intake in relation to cancer Am J Clin Nutr 2010,
91(5):1348‐58
• Prostate Cancer: same finding. Cheese had more MK‐7 and lowered
risk of aggressive cancer. Nimptsch et al Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2009, 18(1):49

Fertility:
• Male sperm counts have been decreasing by 1% a year for
decades in Western countries
• Male infertility is now common (Dindyal Int J Urol 2004, 2(1))
• In Men and Women: sex hormones play a critical role in bone
density. They spike in puberty, as does bone density
• Women lose 25% of bone mass with menopause
• In Men, osteocalcin induces the production of testosterone
• Mice: osteocalcin deficient males have 60‐80% lower T and
have smaller litters and less frequent litters
• Osteocalcin binds to testicular Leydig cells, where T is made

Kidney Disease:
• K2 deficiency is common in chronic kidney disease
• Increases as kidney disease progresses
• Blood vessel calcification progresses as well
• (Holden et al Vit K and D in chronic kidney disease Clin J AM Soc Nephrol
2010 Apr, 5(4):590‐97)
• Renal “osteodystrophy” also progresses, a distinct form of
osteoporosis that also has density loss



Facial Shape:
• Considered the most significant finding of Weston Price’s work
• Price’s findings showed that indigenous cultures with pre‐
western foods had broad faces, stronger jaws, never needed
to have wisdom teeth extractions or braces
• Indigenous societies had special food for young couples
planning on having babies: often eggs, fish eggs
• Price never got past “Activator X”.
• All starts with nasal cartilage. It is rich in MGP protein in the
fetus. With no K2, it is not activated and premature
calcification stunts the growth of the face resulting in
underdevelopment of middle and lower third of face
• Howe et al Vit K‐its essential role in craniofacial
development: a review Austr Den J 1994, 39(2):88‐92

People who eat a diet full of K2 have great dental health:

View attachment 2583644


This is an xray of two sisters:
View attachment 2583531
What is the difference? The mother recieved K2 supplementation during pregnancy BUT only with the girl on the right.

I suggest you draw your own conclusions.

K2 deficiency is VERY common.


This is just the tip of the iceberg of what it does. Vitamin K2 is responsible for correct facial growth, so no amount of growth hormone boosting or mewing when you are a teenager will get you a good facial bone structure if you are severely deficient in this nutrient. It's still better to address the core issue when you are older and you may still get some benefits.

Which form of K2 should you take?
Either MK4 or MK7.
MK7 is a good form, but MK4 might be more effective and have other benefits:
Study
It's more costly and has a shorter half-life (>1day) than MK7 (3 days), meaning you might need to take it more frequently.


How much should you take daily?
Vitamin K2 builds up in your body over time. There is no need to take ridiculously high doses like 10, 20 or 30mg. This study on women with menopause shows that "compared to 5 mg/day, there was no additional benefit of 45 mg/day" and "supplementation with either 5 or 45 mg/day of MK-4 reduces ucOC (carboxylation of osteocalcin) to concentrations typical of healthy, pre-menopausal women."

I would recommend taking anywhere between 400mcg and 800mcg if you are taking it daily and for the long run. Any bigger dose would bring diminishing returns. There is almost no risk since vitamin K has a very low potential for toxicity.. This is why there is no established Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) set for vitamin K. It's hard to take too much unless you do it on purpose for some reason.

Make sure if you are getting a lot of these foods if you are not supplementing with K2: Foods rich in K2. Another great article with studies which shows what K2 does from killing cavities to protecting your heart.

Warning:
While taking K2, you need to make sure your magnesium levels are normal, there are people who experienced heart palpitations because of too low magnesium or other essential mineral in their body. Vitamin K2 can actually protect the heart if you met these requirements.



My verdict: If you are >21 and you are not taking high doses of K2 or K2 in general you ARE hindering your facial and skeletal growth.
what source? not willing to use amazon as i know they store that shit in bad temp and kills the effect
 
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@polishcel how should i dose 5mg of mk-4 ?
Frequency, duration etc ?
5mg is used to treat osteoporosis, my theory is that it would bring diminishing returns at doses bigger than 1-2mg in healthy people
if you want to go all the way in take 500mcg in the morning and 500mcg in the evening to make sure the vitamin level stays high
as for the duration, i suppose 1 year would be enough to see some effects i don't know how old you are but if you are a teenager megadose your entire puberty lol
 
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what source? not willing to use amazon as i know they store that shit in bad temp and kills the effect
i don't know much about sources in the us because I live in the eu and buy k2 from polish companies

maybe go to your local drug store or buy k2 directly from the manufacturer that cares for their own product more than a multibillionaire delivery company
 
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Will this work for me if I'm 22? The puberty is most likely over - I'm fine with height (6'2) just want to make my bones "thicker" (I have tiny forearms/wrists/bones jfl). Will gymcelling and megadosing d3/k2 do anything or is it over at this age?
my main focus while making this thread was facial structure
gymcelling alone will make your bones strong but thicker? hmm...
i suppose we will never know till you try.
the worst thing that can happen is you'll boost your test, energy levels and lose some money
 
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5mg is used to treat osteoporosis, my theory is that it would bring diminishing returns at doses bigger than 1-2mg in healthy people
if you want to go all the way in take 500mcg in the morning and 500mcg in the evening to make sure the vitamin level stays high
as for the duration, i suppose 1 year would be enough to see some effects i don't know how old you are but if you are a teenager megadose your entire puberty lol
so how much would you reccomend i take a day i alr take d3
 
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so how much would you reccomend i take a day i alr take d3
i started taking 700mcg a day recently
anywhere between 400mcg to 1mg is good
 
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so 2 of those a day
no?
5mg is 5000mcg which is a big fucking dose
serving size is 1 capsule
how did you calculate this lol
 
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no?
5mg is 5000mcg which is a big fucking dose
serving size is 1 capsule
how did you calculate this lol
i read what it said on the bottle lol also is no fap cope or no
 
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it should also make your wrists bigger if they are small
 
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There are users here and elsewhere over 21 who have megadosed k2 with notable bone density increases. no age cutoff in my opinion as its bone-building effects are based on bone remodeling rather than "growth"
Do you have links to that? Seems interesting.

Also, if you were to megadose on k2, would the face get wider as in the cheekbones etc?
 
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Not so long ago, I've found this interesting article (medical studies at the bottom): High Dose Vitamin K2 Builds New Bone

"Vitamin K2 has been shown, in preclinical studies, to promote:
  • An increase in bone-building osteoblast activity, and
  • A reduction in bone-destroying osteoclast activity."
"Clinical trials have demonstrated that 45 mg of vitamin K2 (menaquinone-4) helps to:
  • Slow bone loss,
  • Reduce fracture risk, and
  • Build new bone."
THEN, I've stumbled upon this even more fascinating PDF: Vitamin K2, And the End of Osteoporosis
I became very intrigued.
The guy who wrote this is a doctor, you can learn about him on one of the pages. I strongly recommend to read the whole thing and research even more but I'm going to copy and paste the most important stuff. Info on the terminology:
Osteocalcin
Osteoclasts


What Does K2 Do?
• 1. Activates proteins responsible for calcium and phosphorous
deposition in bones and teeth
• 2. Directs childhood and infant growth by preventing premature
calcification of cartilage and bones
• 3. Plays an important role in reproduction. Sperm has high levels of
osteocalcin, dependent on K2
• 4. Activates proteins that cells are signaled to produce by Vitamins A
and D (This is where osteocalcin and bone growth comes in)
• 5. Protects mouth, teeth and gums in saliva
• 6. Protects against calcification and inflammation of blood vessels
and the accumulation of plaque
• 7. Helps make myelin sheath of nerve cells, improving learning
• 8. Essential for proper facial development with full arch and less
crowded teeth.
• 9. Dramatic insulin effect through osteocalcin activation

Other Effects of K2:
• Inhibits Osteoclasts
• Stops bone breakdown so osteoblastic (building up) activity
can catch up
• (Kameda et al Vit K2 inhibits osteoclastic bone resorption by inducing
osteoclast apoptosis. Biochem Biophys Res Commun 1996 March 27,
220(3):515‐19)
• MENOPAUSE: Estrogen levels drop
• Osteoclast activity rises
• IL‐6 rises – which stimulates MORE osteoclasts
• Chew up more bone
• K 2 reverses the IL‐6 increase and the osteoclast increase
• MK‐7 reverses menopausal bone density changes


How Much K do we Need?
• Current American dietary advice doesn’t distinguish between
K1 and K 2– which makes the advice incomplete.
• Most folks have K1 function fully and completely activated,
with dramatic shortfalls in K 2
• European Consensus Meeting 2004: We need new guidelines
for K2 (Europ Jr Nutr 2004 p 325)
• Rotterdam Study: J Nutrition. 2004 p 1171: 57% risk
reduction for death from heart attack with top third of MK4
and 25% all cause mortality reduction: top to bottom third
comparisons

Cancer:
• EPIC study from Europe:
• 24,000 men and women from ages 35‐64 followed for 10 years.
1,755 cases of cancer developed, 458 died from it
• Results: independent of all other variable
• Highest K 2 level had 30% less cancer risk
• Dietary intake of MK‐4 was more strongly inversely associated with
fatal cancer than cancer incidence
• Fruits and veges are also strongly protective, and they have lots of K 1
in them. But K1 showed no benefit. Only K 2
• Source of K2 in Europe?........ (Not natto)
• Cheese, grass raised cows
• Nimptsch et al Vit K intake in relation to cancer Am J Clin Nutr 2010,
91(5):1348‐58
• Prostate Cancer: same finding. Cheese had more MK‐7 and lowered
risk of aggressive cancer. Nimptsch et al Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2009, 18(1):49

Fertility:
• Male sperm counts have been decreasing by 1% a year for
decades in Western countries
• Male infertility is now common (Dindyal Int J Urol 2004, 2(1))
• In Men and Women: sex hormones play a critical role in bone
density. They spike in puberty, as does bone density
• Women lose 25% of bone mass with menopause
• In Men, osteocalcin induces the production of testosterone
• Mice: osteocalcin deficient males have 60‐80% lower T and
have smaller litters and less frequent litters
• Osteocalcin binds to testicular Leydig cells, where T is made

Kidney Disease:
• K2 deficiency is common in chronic kidney disease
• Increases as kidney disease progresses
• Blood vessel calcification progresses as well
• (Holden et al Vit K and D in chronic kidney disease Clin J AM Soc Nephrol
2010 Apr, 5(4):590‐97)
• Renal “osteodystrophy” also progresses, a distinct form of
osteoporosis that also has density loss



Facial Shape:
• Considered the most significant finding of Weston Price’s work
• Price’s findings showed that indigenous cultures with pre‐
western foods had broad faces, stronger jaws, never needed
to have wisdom teeth extractions or braces
• Indigenous societies had special food for young couples
planning on having babies: often eggs, fish eggs
• Price never got past “Activator X”.
• All starts with nasal cartilage. It is rich in MGP protein in the
fetus. With no K2, it is not activated and premature
calcification stunts the growth of the face resulting in
underdevelopment of middle and lower third of face
• Howe et al Vit K‐its essential role in craniofacial
development: a review Austr Den J 1994, 39(2):88‐92

People who eat a diet full of K2 have great dental health:

View attachment 2583644


This is an xray of two sisters:
View attachment 2583531
What is the difference? The mother recieved K2 supplementation during pregnancy BUT only with the girl on the right.

I suggest you draw your own conclusions.

K2 deficiency is VERY common.


This is just the tip of the iceberg of what it does. Vitamin K2 is responsible for correct facial growth, so no amount of growth hormone boosting or mewing when you are a teenager will get you a good facial bone structure if you are severely deficient in this nutrient. It's still better to address the core issue when you are older and you may still get some benefits.

Which form of K2 should you take?
Either MK4 or MK7.
MK7 is a good form, but MK4 might be more effective and have other benefits:
Study
It's more costly and has a shorter half-life (>1day) than MK7 (3 days), meaning you might need to take it more frequently.


How much should you take daily?
Vitamin K2 builds up in your body over time. There is no need to take ridiculously high doses like 10, 20 or 30mg. This study on women with menopause shows that "compared to 5 mg/day, there was no additional benefit of 45 mg/day" and "supplementation with either 5 or 45 mg/day of MK-4 reduces ucOC (carboxylation of osteocalcin) to concentrations typical of healthy, pre-menopausal women."

I would recommend taking anywhere between 400mcg and 800mcg if you are taking it daily and for the long run. Any bigger dose would bring diminishing returns. There is almost no risk since vitamin K has a very low potential for toxicity.. This is why there is no established Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) set for vitamin K. It's hard to take too much unless you do it on purpose for some reason.

Make sure if you are getting a lot of these foods if you are not supplementing with K2: Foods rich in K2. Another great article with studies which shows what K2 does from killing cavities to protecting your heart.

Warning:
While taking K2, you need to make sure your magnesium levels are normal, there are people who experienced heart palpitations because of too low magnesium or other essential mineral in their body. Vitamin K2 can actually protect the heart if you met these requirements.



My verdict: If you are >21 and you are not taking high doses of K2 or K2 in general you ARE hindering your facial and skeletal growth.
This is a major anti-aging looksmax.
Bone loss is a huge factor as to why people look like shit as they age.
 
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Not so long ago, I've found this interesting article (medical studies at the bottom): High Dose Vitamin K2 Builds New Bone

"Vitamin K2 has been shown, in preclinical studies, to promote:
  • An increase in bone-building osteoblast activity, and
  • A reduction in bone-destroying osteoclast activity."
"Clinical trials have demonstrated that 45 mg of vitamin K2 (menaquinone-4) helps to:
  • Slow bone loss,
  • Reduce fracture risk, and
  • Build new bone."
THEN, I've stumbled upon this even more fascinating PDF: Vitamin K2, And the End of Osteoporosis
I became very intrigued.
The guy who wrote this is a doctor, you can learn about him on one of the pages. I strongly recommend to read the whole thing and research even more but I'm going to copy and paste the most important stuff. Info on the terminology:
Osteocalcin
Osteoclasts


What Does K2 Do?
• 1. Activates proteins responsible for calcium and phosphorous
deposition in bones and teeth
• 2. Directs childhood and infant growth by preventing premature
calcification of cartilage and bones
• 3. Plays an important role in reproduction. Sperm has high levels of
osteocalcin, dependent on K2
• 4. Activates proteins that cells are signaled to produce by Vitamins A
and D (This is where osteocalcin and bone growth comes in)
• 5. Protects mouth, teeth and gums in saliva
• 6. Protects against calcification and inflammation of blood vessels
and the accumulation of plaque
• 7. Helps make myelin sheath of nerve cells, improving learning
• 8. Essential for proper facial development with full arch and less
crowded teeth.
• 9. Dramatic insulin effect through osteocalcin activation

Other Effects of K2:
• Inhibits Osteoclasts
• Stops bone breakdown so osteoblastic (building up) activity
can catch up
• (Kameda et al Vit K2 inhibits osteoclastic bone resorption by inducing
osteoclast apoptosis. Biochem Biophys Res Commun 1996 March 27,
220(3):515‐19)
• MENOPAUSE: Estrogen levels drop
• Osteoclast activity rises
• IL‐6 rises – which stimulates MORE osteoclasts
• Chew up more bone
• K 2 reverses the IL‐6 increase and the osteoclast increase
• MK‐7 reverses menopausal bone density changes


How Much K do we Need?
• Current American dietary advice doesn’t distinguish between
K1 and K 2– which makes the advice incomplete.
• Most folks have K1 function fully and completely activated,
with dramatic shortfalls in K 2
• European Consensus Meeting 2004: We need new guidelines
for K2 (Europ Jr Nutr 2004 p 325)
• Rotterdam Study: J Nutrition. 2004 p 1171: 57% risk
reduction for death from heart attack with top third of MK4
and 25% all cause mortality reduction: top to bottom third
comparisons

Cancer:
• EPIC study from Europe:
• 24,000 men and women from ages 35‐64 followed for 10 years.
1,755 cases of cancer developed, 458 died from it
• Results: independent of all other variable
• Highest K 2 level had 30% less cancer risk
• Dietary intake of MK‐4 was more strongly inversely associated with
fatal cancer than cancer incidence
• Fruits and veges are also strongly protective, and they have lots of K 1
in them. But K1 showed no benefit. Only K 2
• Source of K2 in Europe?........ (Not natto)
• Cheese, grass raised cows
• Nimptsch et al Vit K intake in relation to cancer Am J Clin Nutr 2010,
91(5):1348‐58
• Prostate Cancer: same finding. Cheese had more MK‐7 and lowered
risk of aggressive cancer. Nimptsch et al Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2009, 18(1):49

Fertility:
• Male sperm counts have been decreasing by 1% a year for
decades in Western countries
• Male infertility is now common (Dindyal Int J Urol 2004, 2(1))
• In Men and Women: sex hormones play a critical role in bone
density. They spike in puberty, as does bone density
• Women lose 25% of bone mass with menopause
• In Men, osteocalcin induces the production of testosterone
• Mice: osteocalcin deficient males have 60‐80% lower T and
have smaller litters and less frequent litters
• Osteocalcin binds to testicular Leydig cells, where T is made

Kidney Disease:
• K2 deficiency is common in chronic kidney disease
• Increases as kidney disease progresses
• Blood vessel calcification progresses as well
• (Holden et al Vit K and D in chronic kidney disease Clin J AM Soc Nephrol
2010 Apr, 5(4):590‐97)
• Renal “osteodystrophy” also progresses, a distinct form of
osteoporosis that also has density loss



Facial Shape:
• Considered the most significant finding of Weston Price’s work
• Price’s findings showed that indigenous cultures with pre‐
western foods had broad faces, stronger jaws, never needed
to have wisdom teeth extractions or braces
• Indigenous societies had special food for young couples
planning on having babies: often eggs, fish eggs
• Price never got past “Activator X”.
• All starts with nasal cartilage. It is rich in MGP protein in the
fetus. With no K2, it is not activated and premature
calcification stunts the growth of the face resulting in
underdevelopment of middle and lower third of face
• Howe et al Vit K‐its essential role in craniofacial
development: a review Austr Den J 1994, 39(2):88‐92

People who eat a diet full of K2 have great dental health:

View attachment 2583644


This is an xray of two sisters:
View attachment 2583531
What is the difference? The mother recieved K2 supplementation during pregnancy BUT only with the girl on the right.

I suggest you draw your own conclusions.

K2 deficiency is VERY common.


This is just the tip of the iceberg of what it does. Vitamin K2 is responsible for correct facial growth, so no amount of growth hormone boosting or mewing when you are a teenager will get you a good facial bone structure if you are severely deficient in this nutrient. It's still better to address the core issue when you are older and you may still get some benefits.

Which form of K2 should you take?
Either MK4 or MK7.
MK7 is a good form, but MK4 might be more effective and have other benefits:
Study
It's more costly and has a shorter half-life (>1day) than MK7 (3 days), meaning you might need to take it more frequently.


How much should you take daily?
Vitamin K2 builds up in your body over time. There is no need to take ridiculously high doses like 10, 20 or 30mg. This study on women with menopause shows that "compared to 5 mg/day, there was no additional benefit of 45 mg/day" and "supplementation with either 5 or 45 mg/day of MK-4 reduces ucOC (carboxylation of osteocalcin) to concentrations typical of healthy, pre-menopausal women."

I would recommend taking anywhere between 400mcg and 800mcg if you are taking it daily and for the long run. Any bigger dose would bring diminishing returns. There is almost no risk since vitamin K has a very low potential for toxicity.. This is why there is no established Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) set for vitamin K. It's hard to take too much unless you do it on purpose for some reason.

Make sure if you are getting a lot of these foods if you are not supplementing with K2: Foods rich in K2. Another great article with studies which shows what K2 does from killing cavities to protecting your heart.

Warning:
While taking K2, you need to make sure your magnesium levels are normal, there are people who experienced heart palpitations because of too low magnesium or other essential mineral in their body. Vitamin K2 can actually protect the heart if you met these requirements.



My verdict: If you are >21 and you are not taking high doses of K2 or K2 in general you ARE hindering your facial and skeletal growth.
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Not so long ago, I've found this interesting article (medical studies at the bottom): High Dose Vitamin K2 Builds New Bone

"Vitamin K2 has been shown, in preclinical studies, to promote:
  • An increase in bone-building osteoblast activity, and
  • A reduction in bone-destroying osteoclast activity."
"Clinical trials have demonstrated that 45 mg of vitamin K2 (menaquinone-4) helps to:
  • Slow bone loss,
  • Reduce fracture risk, and
  • Build new bone."
THEN, I've stumbled upon this even more fascinating PDF: Vitamin K2, And the End of Osteoporosis
I became very intrigued.
The guy who wrote this is a doctor, you can learn about him on one of the pages. I strongly recommend to read the whole thing and research even more but I'm going to copy and paste the most important stuff. Info on the terminology:
Osteocalcin
Osteoclasts


What Does K2 Do?
• 1. Activates proteins responsible for calcium and phosphorous
deposition in bones and teeth
• 2. Directs childhood and infant growth by preventing premature
calcification of cartilage and bones
• 3. Plays an important role in reproduction. Sperm has high levels of
osteocalcin, dependent on K2
• 4. Activates proteins that cells are signaled to produce by Vitamins A
and D (This is where osteocalcin and bone growth comes in)
• 5. Protects mouth, teeth and gums in saliva
• 6. Protects against calcification and inflammation of blood vessels
and the accumulation of plaque
• 7. Helps make myelin sheath of nerve cells, improving learning
• 8. Essential for proper facial development with full arch and less
crowded teeth.
• 9. Dramatic insulin effect through osteocalcin activation

Other Effects of K2:
• Inhibits Osteoclasts
• Stops bone breakdown so osteoblastic (building up) activity
can catch up
• (Kameda et al Vit K2 inhibits osteoclastic bone resorption by inducing
osteoclast apoptosis. Biochem Biophys Res Commun 1996 March 27,
220(3):515‐19)
• MENOPAUSE: Estrogen levels drop
• Osteoclast activity rises
• IL‐6 rises – which stimulates MORE osteoclasts
• Chew up more bone
• K 2 reverses the IL‐6 increase and the osteoclast increase
• MK‐7 reverses menopausal bone density changes


How Much K do we Need?
• Current American dietary advice doesn’t distinguish between
K1 and K 2– which makes the advice incomplete.
• Most folks have K1 function fully and completely activated,
with dramatic shortfalls in K 2
• European Consensus Meeting 2004: We need new guidelines
for K2 (Europ Jr Nutr 2004 p 325)
• Rotterdam Study: J Nutrition. 2004 p 1171: 57% risk
reduction for death from heart attack with top third of MK4
and 25% all cause mortality reduction: top to bottom third
comparisons

Cancer:
• EPIC study from Europe:
• 24,000 men and women from ages 35‐64 followed for 10 years.
1,755 cases of cancer developed, 458 died from it
• Results: independent of all other variable
• Highest K 2 level had 30% less cancer risk
• Dietary intake of MK‐4 was more strongly inversely associated with
fatal cancer than cancer incidence
• Fruits and veges are also strongly protective, and they have lots of K 1
in them. But K1 showed no benefit. Only K 2
• Source of K2 in Europe?........ (Not natto)
• Cheese, grass raised cows
• Nimptsch et al Vit K intake in relation to cancer Am J Clin Nutr 2010,
91(5):1348‐58
• Prostate Cancer: same finding. Cheese had more MK‐7 and lowered
risk of aggressive cancer. Nimptsch et al Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2009, 18(1):49

Fertility:
• Male sperm counts have been decreasing by 1% a year for
decades in Western countries
• Male infertility is now common (Dindyal Int J Urol 2004, 2(1))
• In Men and Women: sex hormones play a critical role in bone
density. They spike in puberty, as does bone density
• Women lose 25% of bone mass with menopause
• In Men, osteocalcin induces the production of testosterone
• Mice: osteocalcin deficient males have 60‐80% lower T and
have smaller litters and less frequent litters
• Osteocalcin binds to testicular Leydig cells, where T is made

Kidney Disease:
• K2 deficiency is common in chronic kidney disease
• Increases as kidney disease progresses
• Blood vessel calcification progresses as well
• (Holden et al Vit K and D in chronic kidney disease Clin J AM Soc Nephrol
2010 Apr, 5(4):590‐97)
• Renal “osteodystrophy” also progresses, a distinct form of
osteoporosis that also has density loss



Facial Shape:
• Considered the most significant finding of Weston Price’s work
• Price’s findings showed that indigenous cultures with pre‐
western foods had broad faces, stronger jaws, never needed
to have wisdom teeth extractions or braces
• Indigenous societies had special food for young couples
planning on having babies: often eggs, fish eggs
• Price never got past “Activator X”.
• All starts with nasal cartilage. It is rich in MGP protein in the
fetus. With no K2, it is not activated and premature
calcification stunts the growth of the face resulting in
underdevelopment of middle and lower third of face
• Howe et al Vit K‐its essential role in craniofacial
development: a review Austr Den J 1994, 39(2):88‐92

People who eat a diet full of K2 have great dental health:

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This is an xray of two sisters:
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What is the difference? The mother recieved K2 supplementation during pregnancy BUT only with the girl on the right.

I suggest you draw your own conclusions.

K2 deficiency is VERY common.


This is just the tip of the iceberg of what it does. Vitamin K2 is responsible for correct facial growth, so no amount of growth hormone boosting or mewing when you are a teenager will get you a good facial bone structure if you are severely deficient in this nutrient. It's still better to address the core issue when you are older and you may still get some benefits.

Which form of K2 should you take?
Either MK4 or MK7.
MK7 is a good form, but MK4 might be more effective and have other benefits:
Study
It's more costly and has a shorter half-life (>1day) than MK7 (3 days), meaning you might need to take it more frequently.


How much should you take daily?
Vitamin K2 builds up in your body over time. There is no need to take ridiculously high doses like 10, 20 or 30mg. This study on women with menopause shows that "compared to 5 mg/day, there was no additional benefit of 45 mg/day" and "supplementation with either 5 or 45 mg/day of MK-4 reduces ucOC (carboxylation of osteocalcin) to concentrations typical of healthy, pre-menopausal women."

I would recommend taking anywhere between 400mcg and 800mcg if you are taking it daily and for the long run. Any bigger dose would bring diminishing returns. There is almost no risk since vitamin K has a very low potential for toxicity.. This is why there is no established Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) set for vitamin K. It's hard to take too much unless you do it on purpose for some reason.

Make sure if you are getting a lot of these foods if you are not supplementing with K2: Foods rich in K2. Another great article with studies which shows what K2 does from killing cavities to protecting your heart.

Warning:
While taking K2, you need to make sure your magnesium levels are normal, there are people who experienced heart palpitations because of too low magnesium or other essential mineral in their body. Vitamin K2 can actually protect the heart if you met these requirements.



My verdict: If you are >21 and you are not taking high doses of K2 or K2 in general you ARE hindering your facial and skeletal growth.
how much will it impact at 16-18 yrs old? im a late bloomer
 
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will k2 save my narrow palate at 17? 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺
im 18 and i'm planning to start using myobrace A2 for adults and megadosing k2 and see where it gets me
 
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There are users here and elsewhere over 21 who have megadosed k2 with notable bone density increases. no age cutoff in my opinion as its bone-building effects are based on bone remodeling rather than "growth"
i find that extremely fucking hard to believe, can u show me?
 
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is that even good for kidneys?
fucking nigger just read my post
if you have brainrot and can't read just google this shit and stop wasting my time
"Most CKD patients, including those on renal replacement therapy, have vitamin K2 deficiency."

"Vitamin K2 may play an independent role in kidney stone development. As Masterjohn points out, “patients with kidney stones secrete [vitamin-K2 dependent] protein in its inactive form"

there are studies on older women who took 45mg wtf are you afraid of taking 5mg
 
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