can a orthodox muslim believe that aliens exist out there

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

You believe in a dumbass book written thousands of years ago and I believe in science. I know that already dude

ok kafir.

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

ok kafir.

I didn't know Muslims are allowed to insult people and be racist

I thought your book says otherwise

You learn something new everyday i guess

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Not only can you not prove your beliefs but you don't even adhere to them embarrassing asf

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

I didn't know Muslims are allowed to insult people and be racist

I thought your book says otherwise

You learn something new everyday i guess

racism is haram! Insult People? Sayin Kafir is insulting? Racism? How come sayin non muslims mean racism? Racism has to do with race not with religion! Kafir means non muslims that's what i know about it!

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

Not only can you not prove your beliefs but you don't even adhere to them embarrassing asf

u justz need 2 post anything useless here isn't it? U didn't even watched the videos and now u r sayin that i cant prove my beliefs! And yes i am not a perfect Muslim and no one on the earth is perfect! the perfect Muslims are the Prophets of Allah and the best of them is the last and final Prophet and messenger of Allah that is PROPHET MUHAMMAD!

 

[Anyanglover]

@DAWN OF KHAL

You shouldn't use such things as proofs for your imaan,you should study books of aqeedah on proofs for necassery existance and Tawheed.but you are a salafi so you are against kalaam.

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

u justz need 2 post anything useless here isn't it? U didn't even watched the videos and now u r sayin that i cant prove my beliefs! And yes i am not a perfect Muslim and no one on the earth is perfect! the perfect Muslims are the Prophets of Allah and the best of them is the last and final Prophet and messenger of Allah that is PROPHET MUHAMMAD!

I just think it's especially funny that you needed to use a slur during a conversation that is LITERALLY ABOUT YOUR OWN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS?? If you forget your moral compass in such a conversation you must be a pretty damn bad Muslim

 

[Deleted member 9003]

He is already converting

@gamma @WontStopNorwooding

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

@DAWN OF KHAL

You shouldn't use such things as proofs for your imaan,you should study books of aqeedah on proofs for necassery existance and Tawheed.but you are a salafi so you are against kalaam.

Hmm; why can't historical miracles be proofs of Islam? As for Kalam i am ignorant of it! no offense but i am still learning about Islam. I hope ALLAH AZZAWAJAL keeps me on the Straight Path! I am 15M

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Hmm; why can't historical miracles be proofs of Islam? As for Kalam i am ignorant of it! no offense but i am still learning about Islam. I hope ALLAH AZZAWAJAL keeps me on the Straight Path! I am 15M

We can tell ur 15m

 

[Anyanglover]

Hmm; why can't historical miracles be proofs of Islam? As for Kalam i am ignorant of it! no offense but i am still learning about Islam. I hope ALLAH AZZAWAJAL keeps me on the Straight Path! I am 15M

because demons can know the past,know scientific miracles,know even future events(in islam they do this by spying on the angels that bring down the decree from Allaah).

I would start with Aqeedah al Sanusi Commentary pdf from sunnianswers

for a Salafi I'd start with Aqeedah al Tahawi pdf

and also I'd look into some of Ibn Sina's arguments like the argument from contingency and his proof of necassery existance being absolutely one

Necassery existance:



absolute oneness of Necassery existance:

THREAD: Ibn Sina - From the necessary existence to God. [Peter Adamson] https://t.co/XniVvXXyZH - Wake up

THREAD: Ibn Sina - From the necessary existence to God. [Peter Adamson] https://t.co/XniVvXXyZH

rattibha.com

I did what you did as a 14 year old,converting to islam without understanding Aqeedah and basing my proofs on weak ones that you gave.I eventually left and became a atheist.

do not make the same mistake as I did.study your Aqeedah.study usul al deen.study kalam .

you are 15 years old?

 

[Anyanglover]

Deviant attempts to use theories of physics against the proofs of the belief of Islam

Deviant says: The problem with the Kalam argument [the argument of the scholars of the Islamic belief] in describing how “beings” are created is that under the laws of thermodynamics, m…

sunnianswers.wordpress.com

@DAWN OF KHAL

@zv1212

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Deviant attempts to use theories of physics against the proofs of the belief of Islam

Deviant says: The problem with the Kalam argument [the argument of the scholars of the Islamic belief] in describing how “beings” are created is that under the laws of thermodynamics, m…

sunnianswers.wordpress.com

@DAWN OF KHAL

@zv1212

The following is from the article you linked me and I made some adjustments

"thermodynamics (the quran) remains a theory in that it remains falsifiable, and it remains labeled a law (valid belief) only because no one has shown it false in an experiment.:

See why you're a fucking idiot now? Do you get it retard?

I haven't deposited such an enormous amount of feces in someone's mouth for ages, Thanks for this

 

[Anyanglover]

thermodynamics (the quran) remains a theory in that it remains falsifiable, and it remains labeled a law (valid belief) only because no one has shown it false in an experiment.

See why you're a fucking idiot now? Do you get it retard?

I haven't deposited such an enormous amount of feces in someone's mouth for ages, Thanks for this

Man,I would have been respectful in a dialogue with you but you are a malicious shaytan.

you need to study the argument from contingency and also the unconditioned reality arguments

The Absolute Uniqueness of Unconditioned Reality

NOTE: Today we continue our six-part series by Karlo Broussard on a metaphysical proof for God's existence. The posts will run each of the next four Mondays: Part 1 - Why Must There Be at Least One Unconditioned Reality? Part 2 - The Absolute Simplicity of Unconditioned Reality Part 3 - The

strangenotions.com

Why Must There Be at Least One Unconditioned Reality?

NOTE: Today we kick off a six-part series by Karlo Broussard on a metaphysical proof for God's existence. The posts will run each of the next six Mondays. Part 1 - Why Must There Be at Least One Unconditioned Reality? Part 2 - The Absolute Simplicity of Unconditioned Reality Part 3 - The Abs

strangenotions.com

https://strangenotions.com/the-key-divine-attributes-of-the-absolutely-unique-and-simple-unconditioned-reality/ (this goes into why matter cannot be a unconditioned reality)
see this playlist




also its impossible for a infinite number of events to exist in the past,wich is al-ghazali's argument against a eternal universe.

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

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Man,I would have been respectful in a dialogue with you but you are a malicious shaytan.

you need to study the argument from contingency and also the unconditioned reality arguments

The Absolute Uniqueness of Unconditioned Reality

NOTE: Today we continue our six-part series by Karlo Broussard on a metaphysical proof for God's existence. The posts will run each of the next four Mondays: Part 1 - Why Must There Be at Least One Unconditioned Reality? Part 2 - The Absolute Simplicity of Unconditioned Reality Part 3 - The

strangenotions.com

Why Must There Be at Least One Unconditioned Reality?

NOTE: Today we kick off a six-part series by Karlo Broussard on a metaphysical proof for God's existence. The posts will run each of the next six Mondays. Part 1 - Why Must There Be at Least One Unconditioned Reality? Part 2 - The Absolute Simplicity of Unconditioned Reality Part 3 - The Abs

strangenotions.com

https://strangenotions.com/the-key-divine-attributes-of-the-absolutely-unique-and-simple-unconditioned-reality/ (this goes into why matter cannot be a unconditioned reality)
see this playlist




also its impossible for a infinite number of events to exist in the past,wich is al-ghazali's argument against a eternal universe.

Listen broh, you actually speak English and have a respectable level of intelligence, unlike the other guy. At the end of the day I'm not gonna win this argument. You've obviously done a lot of research and I don't actually know the contents of the quran or anything about it.

Still shit in ur mouth tho

 

[Anyanglover]

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Listen broh, you actually speak English and have a respectable level of intelligence, unlike the other guy. At the end of the day I'm not gonna win this argument. You've obviously done a lot of research and I don't actually know the contents of the quran or anything about it.

Still shit in ur mouth tho

I'm not trying to convert you,but like most less sophisticated atheists you don't even understand the Monotheistic proofs that we believe in for God's existance.the Qu'ran says we must believe in Allah with Yaqeen(certainty)and allah would not obligate something of us impossible,and the way to such Yaqeen is logic(aql)and kalam.

I think you are a low caliber atheist like Richard Dawkins,and I know all of the sophisticated philosphical arguments against god's existance too and I personally can argue against them from a Islamic POV.

I am just worried that you are misleading the lurkers here,by picking on a 15 year old KID.of course he doesn't understand these things in depth.not even most muslim laymen do.

but our Scholars and Mutakallimun do.and you cannot say with certainity in Your heart that God doesn't exist without looking at both sides of the debate.

 

[FrameMogger]

the miracle working shaykh nazim haqqani al naqshabandi says they exist on other planets.but he's a outlier.

He certainly does

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

because demons can know the past,know scientific miracles,know even future events(in islam they do this by spying on the angels that bring down the decree from Allaah).

i guess this is the belief of Christians and Jews about demons(or jinns) having the knowledge of future! But look bro only Allah Azzawajal knows the future. And yes there's a Sahih HADITH which states that the jinns eavesdrop but they mix 99 or so lies with it! There4 of Quran was from demon then it would have lies and false thing about future too!

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

because demons can know the past,know scientific miracles,know even future events(in islam they do this by spying on the angels that bring down the decree from Allaah).

I would start with Aqeedah al Sanusi Commentary pdf from sunnianswers

for a Salafi I'd start with Aqeedah al Tahawi pdf

and also I'd look into some of Ibn Sina's arguments like the argument from contingency and his proof of necassery existance being absolutely one

Necassery existance:



absolute oneness of Necassery existance:

THREAD: Ibn Sina - From the necessary existence to God. [Peter Adamson] https://t.co/XniVvXXyZH - Wake up

THREAD: Ibn Sina - From the necessary existence to God. [Peter Adamson] https://t.co/XniVvXXyZH

rattibha.com

I did what you did as a 14 year old,converting to islam without understanding Aqeedah and basing my proofs on weak ones that you gave.I eventually left and became a atheist.

do not make the same mistake as I did.study your Aqeedah.study usul al deen.study kalam .

you are 15 years old?

is Philosophy haram btw? Cuz i heard that it's haram from Sheikh ASSIM AL HAKEEM! Please help me understand! I am not a stubborn Salafi or something! I am still gaining knowledge! And yes i am 15 years old! please read this brother and plz watch these videos

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[Anyanglover]

i guess this is the belief of Christians and Jews about demons(or jinns) having the knowledge of future! But look bro only Allah Azzawajal knows the future. And yes there's a Sahih HADITH which states that the jinns eavesdrop but they mix 99 or so lies with it! There4 of Quran was from demon then it would have lies and false thing about future too!

but what would you say to a christian that says that the demons fulfill muhammed's acuratte prophecies by influencing events,that they know the future,that the miracles of quran are just demonic knowledge given to the prophet(PBUH)?

you have some very weak proofs for your faith.

you don't even know basic Aqeedah and you are debating a atheist sure of your faith.

 

[Anyanglover]

is Philosophy haram btw? Cuz i heard that it's haram from Sheikh ASSIM AL HAKEEM! Please help me understand! I am not a stubborn Salafi or something! I am still gaining knowledge! And yes i am 15 years old! please read this brother and plz watch these videos

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for Salafiyah it is haram.I am not a mujassimah or a Salafi,I'm a A'shari Sufi that follows the madhab of imaam maalik(Rahimahullah).

 

[Anyanglover]

yeah richard dawkins is very low calibre.

I know all the strong positive atheist arguments lol I used to be one.Kalam of both christians and muslims have won in my opinion against strong atheism.

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

but what would you say to a christian that says that the demons fulfill muhammed's acuratte prophecies by influencing events,that they know the future,that the miracles of quran are just demonic knowledge given to the prophet(PBUH)?

hmmm Ur words make sense!

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

yeah richard dawkins is very low calibre.

I know all the strong positive atheist arguments lol I used to be one.Kalam of both christians and muslims have won in my opinion against strong atheism.

yr reply most probs wont be seen by @PapiMew cuz u hvnt replied by pressing reply button 2 him!

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

I'm a A'shari Sufi that follows the madhab of imaam maalik(Rahimahullah).

As per wht i know. Sufism belives in many Fabricated Hadiths. And they belive Muhammad SAW was divine Man(ie He is somewhat like God or something) And as i am an INDIAN MAN I know abt Sufism in practice. As most of the Muslims(like 95% of muslims) In my region hv many deviated and fabricated beliefs! Some of them say that MUHAMMAD SAW was Noor and Allah Azzawajal only made the Creation ONLY FOR HIM SAW! wht more deviancy can i expect from them? The Muslims (Sufis not Shias) here Celebrate his SAW bday and Muharram! And on Muharram the Muslims put many Flowers over a Shiv Ling(search it up on Google this is a Hindu God symbol which means Shiv Dick or Shiv's Penis in Sanskrit i guess) Sort of Idol(shirk ikr but they dont care i guess).

And lastly i hv heard from Sheikh Assim that the Sufis belive that our souls become ONE with Allah after death but this is AGAIN A HINDU BELIEF OF MOKSHA(i guess so)

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

How about you describe to me why he is low caliber?

He That is @Anyanglover knows better than me abt this issue but..... this is one of the reasons why i dont belive in the Stupidity of Richard Dawkins!

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

I'm a A'shari Sufi

And yeaH Sufis here too like usual Worship Graves! And belive in Taweez! Which is Shirk!

 

[Anyanglover]

How about you describe to me why he is low caliber? I am quite eager to hear your response.

Moreover, it's interesting you actually care to acknowledge Dawkins. Most Christians believe he is a shill for Islam

because he uses rehashed refuted arguments like the argument from evil,evolution,and how allegedly'barbaric'abrahamic religions are.

for one Allah decrees both evil and good.

secondly,he doesn't use sophisticated but flawed strong atheistic arguments like incoherency of divine attributes.or B theories of time and relativism.or arguing wrongly against divine simplicity(wich A'sharis and maturidis don't even believe in).

 

[Anyanglover]

As per wht i know. Sufism belives in many Fabricated Hadiths. And they belive Muhammad SAW was divine Man(ie He is somewhat like God or something) And as i am an INDIAN MAN I know abt Sufism in practice. As most of the Muslims(like 95% of muslims) In my region hv many deviated and fabricated beliefs! Some of them say that MUHAMMAD SAW was Noor and Allah Azzawajal only made the Creation ONLY FOR HIM SAW! wht more deviancy can i expect from them? The Muslims (Sufis not Shias) here Celebrate his SAW bday and Muharram! And on Muharram the Muslims put many Flowers over a Shiv Ling(search it up on Google this is a Hindu God symbol which means Shiv Dick or Shiv's Penis in Sanskrit i guess) Sort of Idol(shirk ikr but they dont care i guess).

And lastly i hv heard from Sheikh Assim that the Sufis belive that our souls become ONE with Allah after death but this is AGAIN A HINDU BELIEF OF MOKSHA(i guess so)

no,they do not.and ibn taymiyah was a sufi.

there is bi'dah sufism and there is proper sufism.Tasawuff is from the companions(ra).



I follow north african sufi tariqahs,not barelvis who are dalleen and mixed hinduism with islam.I also like fethullah gulen.

the issue of tawassul is a question of fiqh not aqeedah.

and the Kashf and ilham is a reality you cannot deny.

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

I'm a A'shari Sufi

Hmmm which part of Aqeedah do Asharis get wrong? I think i need 2 read the Entire Article! And i dont mean no offense justz in case u think i am angry or Jealous of u! And i dont want 2 refute any Religious sect in islam now cuz i hv zero knowledge on such issues!

 

[Anyanglover]

I agree worshipping at graves should not be done btw as for mawlid

 

[Anyanglover]

the consensus of the mufasirun is that when allah says he doesn't give his knowledge of the unseen to anyone but prophets is that this is wahi not ilham and kashf.

a believer will have some given knwoekldge of the unseen not all of it.

as for nur al muhammidiyah thats a contested issue.

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

GN to you both

wht does it mean? Good Nigger 2 u both?

 

[Magical Apple]

the miracle working shaykh nazim haqqani al naqshabandi says they exist on other planets.but he's a outlier.

In buddhism and other asian religions, aliens and evolution are literally required for their world philosophy to hold true.

 

[Anyanglover]

@DAWN OF KHAL

fanaa fillah (muslim nirvana)is misunderstood by you and salafis.salafis are also mujassimah (ascribing limited body to allah)and kuffar according to ashari and maturidi schools.

the ummah will never agree on misguidance and salafiyah are a new invention.

nothing is wrong with ashari or maturidi aqeedah.

btw,even the deobandis are sufis but practice it in its proper wasy like many north african tareeqahs.


the whole molvi jee sufism is a rehash of hinduism.

and tawassul is supproted by authentic ahadeeth and is a question of shariah not aqeedah.

also its a fact that the awliyah of the sufis who are orthodox have kashf and ilham and thuis is given to them by allah.no they dotn have full knowledge of the unseen only what is given to them by allah.

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

I agree worshipping at graves should not be done btw as for mawlid

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Celebrating the Mawlid is a legitimate act of worship according to those who regard it as mustahabb - Islam Question & Answer

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And i amnt sure about the HADITH about 2 eids we Muslims have only. Sheikh Assim uses this hadith to refute bday celebration!

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

mujassimah (ascribing limited body to allah)

but it's mentioned in the Quran for everyone ALLAH'S shin. And maybe also in sahih Hadiths

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

kuffar according to ashari and maturidi schools.

as i dont have Much knowledge and my parents won't let me gain Islamic knowledge but rather they r forcing me 2 only study school things... will Allah help and forgive me if i die on Salafiyyah b4 i hv the capability to learn about other Aqidahs? Cuz i am Ignorant and easily MISGUIDED on many issues in lyf let alone Islam!

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

the whole molvi jee sufism is a rehash of hinduism

is this the type of Sufism found in India?

 

[Anyanglover]

as i dont have Much knowledge and my parents won't let me gain Islamic knowledge but rather they r forcing me 2 only study school things... will Allah help and forgive me if i die on Salafiyyah b4 i hv the capability to learn about other Aqidahs? Cuz i am Ignorant and easily MISGUIDED on many issues in lyf let alone Islam!

if you are a mujassim and do not say bila kayf regarding this,yes allah will consider you a kafir on your death.

but all schools including salafis agree that when we make takfeer we are doing so on the scholars and people of ilm not the ignorant followers.

as for the rest,you should discuss these things on r/sufism or just really learn from a A'shari or maturidi sufi shaykh.

there is so much compelxity regarding this.btw that shaykh has a shaven mustahce with beard wich tiself is bidah,as we trim not cut the mustache.

 

[Anyanglover]

maulvis are mostly like hindu gurus same for fakeers in the indian subcontinent.

though the use of powerful dua to get what you want is not magic,if these dua have precedent in the books of hadeeth or are from quran.

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

if you are a mujassim and do not say bila kayf regarding this,yes allah will consider you a kafir on your death.

but all schools including salafis agree that when we make takfeer we are doing so on the scholars and people of ilm not the ignorant followers.

as for the rest,you should discuss these things on r/sufism or just really learn from a A'shari or maturidi sufi shaykh.

there is so much compelxity regarding this.btw that shaykh has a shaven mustahce with beard wich tiself is bidah,as we trim not cut the mustache.

wht is bila kauf and who's the Sheikh u talking about? Is it Sheikh Assim?

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

maulvis are mostly like hindu gurus same for fakeers in the indian subcontinent.

though the use of powerful dua to get what you want is not magic,if these dua have precedent in the books of hadeeth or are from quran.

hmmm ! Bro Jazakallah Khair for making me ponder! I will look into it!

 

[Anyanglover]

@DAWN OF KHAL

I would listen to the Zaytoun institute/hamza yusuf lectures and post your doubts on r/sufism

I would read aqeedah al sanusi

I would read sunnianswers.wordpress.com

I can not guide you only allah can and if he wills yourself

I am self taught and so can you be

 

[Anyanglover]

bila kayf means we dont know or make a judgement about it

 

[Anyanglover]

musical isntruments are a bad bi'dah for sure and shaykh hamza yusuf says it should not be done.not all'sufis'are alike.