Can hardmaxxing fix or help mental health issues?

[HairyHairyBoy]

All of my mental health issues like anxiety, derive from knowing that I’m not good looking and the way I get treated when I go out. Literally all of my anxiety is seeing how people reacting to how chopped I am, it annoys me and I want to do something about it. A therapist told me surgery won’t do anything cause I supposedly have a psychological issue but I don’t think that’s true, cause I live it, I see how people treat me and I get 0 IOIs. I want to hardmaxx so I potentially look better than my mental health would improve. Is this a smart plan or do I just stick to therapy and just cope forever? I’m an ltn, thinking about bimax & implants most likely.

I’m aware it can’t fully fix it but if I was to be treated better when I’m out or just get like 1 ioi I feel like all my anxiety about my looks would vanish instantly and I’d probs drop this whole looksmaxxing shtick quickly and focus on a career and actually living my life

 

[holyname]

All of my mental health issues like anxiety, derive from knowing that I’m not good looking and the way I get treated when I go out. Literally all of my anxiety is seeing how people reacting to how chopped I am, it annoys me and I want to do something about it. A therapist told me surgery won’t do anything cause I supposedly have a psychological issue but I don’t think that’s true, cause I live it, I see how people treat me and I get 0 IOIs. I want to hardmaxx so I potentially look better than my mental health would improve. Is this a smart plan or do I just stick to therapy and just cope forever? I’m an ltn, thinking about bimax & implants most likely.

I’m aware it can’t fully fix it but if I was to be treated better when I’m out or just get like 1 ioi I feel like all my anxiety about my looks would vanish instantly and I’d probs drop this whole looksmaxxing shtick quickly and focus on a career and actually living my life

gonna be less anxiety and other things, but will always continue if you dont treat

 

[India lover 52]

this is literally the whole point of hardmaxxing

 

[India lover 52]

gonna be less anxiety and other things, but will always continue if you dont treat

yeah your probably gonna have abused dog syndrome still but at least people will treat you normally

 

[griffithmaxer]

All of my mental health issues like anxiety, derive from knowing that I’m not good looking and the way I get treated when I go out. Literally all of my anxiety is seeing how people reacting to how chopped I am, it annoys me and I want to do something about it. A therapist told me surgery won’t do anything cause I supposedly have a psychological issue but I don’t think that’s true, cause I live it, I see how people treat me and I get 0 IOIs. I want to hardmaxx so I potentially look better than my mental health would improve. Is this a smart plan or do I just stick to therapy and just cope forever? I’m an ltn, thinking about bimax & implants most likely.

I’m aware it can’t fully fix it but if I was to be treated better when I’m out or just get like 1 ioi I feel like all my anxiety about my looks would vanish instantly and I’d probs drop this whole looksmaxxing shtick quickly and focus on a career and actually living my life

Fuck your therapist, confidence is based on external validation. It's not a choice.

Hardmaxing (If done correctly) will likely positively impact your mental health. Doesn't mean that there won't be a biterness inside you after improving your looks.

 

[combatingNorwooding]

Obviously not, it’s gonna make it worse. Your face dysmorphia will get worse as you focus more on your face.

Fix your mental health internally, changing your appearance won’t fix it

 

[HairyHairyBoy]

Obviously not, it’s gonna make it worse. Your face dysmorphia will get worse as you focus more on your face.

Fix your mental health internally, changing your appearance won’t fix it

I think I can fix it Ineutrally but like once u see this black pill stuff in real life it’s hard to unsee it.

 

[HairyHairyBoy]

Fuck your therapist, confidence is based on external validation. It's not a choice.

Hardmaxing (If done correctly) will likely positively impact your mental health. Doesn't mean that there won't be a biterness inside you after improving your looks.

could it make me feel worse like this other guy is saying? Kinda confused

 

[Sovereign]

Yes and no. To a certain extent, yes but after years of negative conditioning, you truly have to rewire your brain.

 

[HairyHairyBoy]

Yes and no. To a certain extent, yes but after years of negative conditioning, you truly have to rewire your brain.

I have some people telling me that I’m ltn and with that face ur not getting girls due to how do society is, while a small percentage tell me get a haircut and actually try to get women. Thing is if I no where I stand looks wise and wise which is below average or even lower what’s the point? Feels like I’m just avoiding taking initiative cause I know I’m not gonna approach any women after hearing what some people have said about my face in terms of a rating or overall looks.
I feel a little crazy too cause I’m gonna do a whole facial reconstruction without even trying with women or going out much besides when I was in college 3-4 years ago when I went out Often.

 

[griffithmaxer]

could it make me feel worse like this other guy is saying? Kinda confused

If you genuinely end up looking good after hardmaxing then you will get positive reinforcement from others (esp women), which will give you more confidence.

Like I said earlier, confidence is built on external validation. Rep me btw

 

[Sovereign]

Read Psycho-Cybernetics. It’s the same principle. Even after plastic surgery, most patients still felt unsatisfied in life.

By all means, still looksmax to the best of your abilities, though. Just know it will not solve everything. If anything, probably make you more jaded.

 

[zoomerstein]

All of my mental health issues like anxiety, derive from knowing that I’m not good looking and the way I get treated when I go out. Literally all of my anxiety is seeing how people reacting to how chopped I am, it annoys me and I want to do something about it. A therapist told me surgery won’t do anything cause I supposedly have a psychological issue but I don’t think that’s true, cause I live it, I see how people treat me and I get 0 IOIs. I want to hardmaxx so I potentially look better than my mental health would improve. Is this a smart plan or do I just stick to therapy and just cope forever? I’m an ltn, thinking about bimax & implants most likely.

I’m aware it can’t fully fix it but if I was to be treated better when I’m out or just get like 1 ioi I feel like all my anxiety about my looks would vanish instantly and I’d probs drop this whole looksmaxxing shtick quickly and focus on a career and actually living my life

read psycho-cybernetics by maxwell maltz, it's exactly what you're looking for

seriously, he's a plastic surgeon from the early 1900s who realized that some of his patients would become new brand people, completely cure anxiety, low confidence, etc after surgery

while others would still be depressed, still think they're ugly deep down despite KNOWING they look better, etc. he realized you can completely change your self image and thus become a brand new person even without surgery

my best friend was planning on roping after his mom killed herself and blamed him in the suicide note, his fiancee left him on christmas eve, he dropped out of college and ballooned up to 250 lbs all in the span of 6 months. i bought him a copy of that book and it single handedly fixed his self confidence and outlook on life before he even lost any weight or fixed his circumstances, which then actually let him fix his life since he wasn't depressed and suicidal anymore

 

[zoomerstein]

Read Psycho-Cybernetics. It’s the same principle. Even after plastic surgery, most patients still felt unsatisfied in life.

By all means, still looksmax to the best of your abilities, though. Just know it will not solve everything. If anything, probably make you more jaded.

fuck you beat me to it haha

amazing book though

 

[HairyHairyBoy]

Read Psycho-Cybernetics. It’s the same principle. Even after plastic surgery, most patients still felt unsatisfied in life.

By all means, still looksmax to the best of your abilities, though. Just know it will not solve everything. If anything, probably make you more jaded.

Okay thank you. It’s not even satisfied in life, it’s just constant treatment from people every time I go outside, I get treated like I’m slow or weirdly. Zero women look at me. It’s hard to avoid this treatment and don’t know if I can go the rest of my life just avoiding it. I’m gonna read that book though appreciate the help.

 

[HairyHairyBoy]

read psycho-cybernetics by maxwell maltz, it's exactly what you're looking for

seriously, he's a plastic surgeon from the early 1900s who realized that some of his patients would become new brand people, completely cure anxiety, low confidence, etc after surgery

while others would still be depressed, still think they're ugly deep down despite KNOWING they look better, etc. he realized you can completely change your self image and thus become a brand new person even without surgery

my best friend was planning on roping after his mom killed herself and blamed him in the suicide note, his fiancee left him on christmas eve, he dropped out of college and ballooned up to 250 lbs all in the span of 6 months. i bought him a copy of that book and it single handedly fixed his self confidence and outlook on life before he even lost any weight or fixed his circumstances, which then actually let him fix his life since he wasn't depressed and suicidal anymore

Wow, good on you. It sucks cause I wa never like this before, it slowly developed when I noticed that the way I am treated was cause of my appearance nothing else. Was always respectful and kind to people but always would get treated weirdly like I’m slow. Either way gonna read that book.

 

[HairyHairyBoy]

Read Psycho-Cybernetics. It’s the same principle. Even after plastic surgery, most patients still felt unsatisfied in life.

By all means, still looksmax to the best of your abilities, though. Just know it will not solve everything. If anything, probably make you more jaded.

Are you saying to try and figure how to live life without hardmaxxing?

 

[HairyHairyBoy]

If you genuinely end up looking good after hardmaxing then you will get positive reinforcement from others (esp women), which will give you more confidence.

Like I said earlier, confidence is built on external validation. Rep me btw

Makes sense, it’s just that I have never tried with women at all. Feels like I’m crazy for wanting to do a whole entire facial reconstruction without even trying. But after considering how I’m treated from strangers these past 4 years plus ratings from people online it seems like hardmaxx would serve me right. Just hard to convince my family to help me with it when they tell me they don’t see what I see and that ur handsome.

 

[Sovereign]

Are you saying to try and figure how to live life without hardmaxxing?

Yes, only do it if you really need to. In most cases, you don’t. What is your ultimate goal?

 

[HairyHairyBoy]

Yes, only do it if you really need to. In most cases, you don’t. What is your ultimate goal?

Look good enough so that women look at me and I get treated better by strangers. My whole college experience I feel could have been 100x better if I looked better in my opinion, making friends was difficult and zero girls looked at me, I transferred to a t30 school at quite a good college my sophomore year. It really hurt my mental, I would also get treated like I’m slow by strangers. I prefer to not get treated like I’m slow and actually have women look at me, I don’t even want to be Chad or anything just like mid mtn or certified MTN if I go higher than that cool but i just want better treatment cause I know that will be a better quality of life. It’s hard to not one to hardmaxx when I’ve been secluded for like 1.5 years and learned about all my flaws and stuff, I have so much free time and to not take any actions and just try to live life without doing anything is a little nutty to me. Literally if just one girl looked at me I wouldn’t think about any hard maxing

 

[zoomerstein]

Are you saying to try and figure how to live life without hardmaxxing?

not the guy you replied to but i thought i was sub5, huge nose, terrible hairline, fat, people thought i looked 25 freshman year of college when i was 17 because of my stress aged skin, thought i needed hardmaxxing

by the end of college i was LTRing HTBs and slaying true stacies who get dms from NFL players, probably went from LTN to high HTN or very low chadlite

only hardmax I did was test if you could call it that, fixed hairline with dutasteride (somehow got regrowth), accutane+leanmax significant shrank my nose more than i thought possible, accutane + skincare gave me asian level smooth skin, and easily the most important thing i did was get lean to reveal my jaw and bone structure

you can do a lot more than you think without surgery if you're willing to get lean and use some pharma

 

[Sovereign]

Look good enough so that women look at me and I get treated better by strangers. My whole college experience I feel could have been 100x better if I looked better in my opinion, making friends was difficult and zero girls looked at me. It really hard my mental, I would also get treated like I’m slow by strangers. I prefer to not get treated like I’m slow and actually have women look at me, I don’t even want to be Chad or anything just like mid mtn or certified MTN if I go higher than that cool but i just want better treatment cause I know that will be a better quality of life. It’s hard to not one to hardmaxx when I’ve been secluded for like 1.5 years and learned about all my flaws and stuff, I have so much free time and to not take any actions and just try to live life without doing anything is a little nutty to me.

How about this: give yourself 1 year of softmaxing and fixing your self-esteem and mental health before you consider anything more drastic. Report back here. You must genuinely do this.

 

[HairyHairyBoy]

How about this: give yourself 1 year of softmaxing and fixing your self-esteem and mental health before you consider anything more drastic. Report back here. You must genuinely do this.

Idk if I can do this, I’ve lost so much time already. I softmaxxed before. Got skinny low bodyfat ish not much muscle just like very skinny and got a haircut, went to school no women looked at me and had no friends, this was my second semester of college. I’ve wasted like 4-5 years of my life (besides those two semesters of college 1 year apart), pretty much cause of this insecurity

Idk maybe I move across the country and try but if I just have the same experience it would make me feel terrible.

 

[griffithmaxer]

Makes sense, it’s just that I have never tried with women at all. Feels like I’m crazy for wanting to do a whole entire facial reconstruction without even trying. But after considering how I’m treated from strangers these past 4 years plus ratings from people online it seems like hardmaxx would serve me right. Just hard to convince my family to help me with it when they tell me they don’t see what I see and that ur handsome.

You shouldn't go through the ringer just because you haven't tried with women yet. If you're unattractive, then that will only have a lasting emotional impact and you would've wished you never went and approached women in the first place.

Also, you shouldn't only be increasing your looks for women.

Your parents will gaslight you by the way, it's best you say it's to open airways or buy it without any help.

 

[HairyHairyBoy]

You shouldn't go through the ringer just because you haven't tried with women yet. If you're unattractive, then that will only have a lasting emotional impact and you would've wished you never went and approached women in the first place.

Also, you shouldn't only be increasing your looks for women.

Your parents will gaslight you by the way, it's best you say it's to open airways or buy it without any help.

Ur right. I’m not just doing for women tbh. It’s for better treatment from strangers mostly and in effect will problaby be easier to get women as well.

When strangers treat me weird or whatever it pains me and makes me so annoyed.

I have some people who tell me it’s all in ur head and go on dating apps and get a haircut but I feel like it’s just complete cope. Like I’m mid to high LTN, what tf that going to do?

 

[griffithmaxer]

Ur right. I’m not just doing for women tbh. It’s for better treatment from strangers mostly and in effect will problaby be easier to get women as well.

When strangers treat me weird or whatever it pains me and makes me so annoyed.

I have some people who tell me it’s all in ur head and go on dating apps and get a haircut but I feel like it’s just complete cope. Like I’m mid to high LTN, what tf that going to do?

Yeah, social privilege in general I get it.

By the way;

Dating apps are even worse than real life for sub8 men. Don't even try that, I've seen all the data

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

All of my mental health issues like anxiety, derive from knowing that I’m not good looking and the way I get treated when I go out. Literally all of my anxiety is seeing how people reacting to how chopped I am, it annoys me and I want to do something about it. A therapist told me surgery won’t do anything cause I supposedly have a psychological issue but I don’t think that’s true, cause I live it, I see how people treat me and I get 0 IOIs. I want to hardmaxx so I potentially look better than my mental health would improve. Is this a smart plan or do I just stick to therapy and just cope forever? I’m an ltn, thinking about bimax & implants most likely.

I’m aware it can’t fully fix it but if I was to be treated better when I’m out or just get like 1 ioi I feel like all my anxiety about my looks would vanish instantly and I’d probs drop this whole looksmaxxing shtick quickly and focus on a career and actually living my life

Body Dysmorphia exists, sure, but if your insecurities come from your physical flaws that are really there, then yes fixing those flaws will most likely make you feel less anxious n shit.

I've always had chubby cheeks even when lean, I just decided to go all in. Hopped on reta and lost weight, got buccal fat removal, did uc cavitation, tried diuretics and will also try aqualyx. Now I'm facially really lean, almost everyone around me always mentions it lol.

And tell you what, I always were insecure about my puffy face, now I'm not, I have less anxiety now over my facial fat. I can't explain that feeling really, it's like I feel more secure, more unbothered, like I can just live and don't have to think about it anymore.

And about confidence - it's not something you can pull out of your ass, confidence relies on physical reality. Getting more compliments and banging more chicks = more confidence. It's a positive feedback loop. If you look like shit, get rejected all the time and ur still "confident asf" walking around and approaching chicks like ur Jordan Barret himself, then that's called DELUSION.