Can morals be objective?

[Incelforeever]

Evan burger

I wanna eat a burger

 

[gymcelld]

I wanna eat a burger

I wanna eat Taylor’s hill ass

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

What if someone says killing is good in his opinion?

personally i would appeal to economics and the larger society.

lets say for sake of argument satan exists beyond disbelief and once we die we all go to hell and suffer
lets say person A takes note of this and decides he is going to indulge in every depraved and anti social act ever since hes already going to hell anyway
the victims of person A say to themselves since we as humans rely on each other for survival etc. person A does nothing to help us and our world spiritual and material tends towards evil let us here on earth make a place of good. (good being eating living and indulging in non harmful desires )

ive more or less appealed to hedonism but you get the point

 

[SharpOrange]

Title

ask epstein

 

[Incelforeever]

I wanna eat Taylor’s hill ass

Shes kinda flat but same

 

[gymcelld]

Shes kinda flat but same

Hmm…

 

[Finn]

if you arent religious no

 

[True truecel]

Some morals are objective in nature like motherly instinct, friendship. Other than that it's highly subjective

if an emotion is forced on you from hormones can you even call it a moral

 

[Chars]

U can’t compare an observable mathematic truth to a mind based opinion of an action such as killing. It’s a fallacy

It's two sides of the same coin; both are opinions about fundamental truths that can be proved false by our sense of logic and sense of morality

 

[True truecel]

I wanna eat a burger

 

[Incelforeever]

personally i would appeal to economics and the larger society.

lets say for sake of argument satan exists beyond disbelief and once we die we all go to hell and suffer
lets say person A takes note of this and decides he is going to indulge in every depraved and anti social act ever since hes already going to hell anyway
the victims of person A say to themselves since we as humans rely on each other for survival etc. person A does nothing to help us and our world spiritual and material tends towards evil let us here on earth make a place of good. (good being eating living and indulging in non harmful desires )

ive more or less appealed to hedonism but you get the point

Appealing to economy and society (economy man made, society =subjective minds) to prove to me killing is bad won’t do it.

 

[tomahawk]

But god is a subject himself, he has a mind. If morality is what he desires than it’s not truly objective in a cosmic sense

God makes objectivity, God made logic
He is the beginning of all
Don't forget that
He's greater than cosmos, he by definition made it

 

[Incelforeever]

It's two sides of the same coin; both are opinions about fundamental truths that can be proved false by our sense of logic and sense of morality

Math isn’t an opinion. It’s part of the observable laws of physics. Prove logically that killing is “bad”.

 

[Heretic]

No, we invented morality

 

[gymcelld]

Morals are based on your upbringing

 

[g4rlic]

Nope

 

[Incelforeever]

God makes objectivity, God made logic
He is the beginning of all
Don't forget that
He's greater than cosmos, he by definition made it

If god made logic that means he can break logic, cuz at one point logic didn’t exist. Ask him to make a square circle, can he do it?

 

[tomahawk]

If god made logic that means he can break logic, cuz at one point logic didn’t exist. Ask him to make a square circle, can he do it?

He can bring matter into nothing and nothing into matter
It wouldn't make sense (probably) for him to change it by now, though. He could've premade everything he needs already
That'd be more just

 

[Incelforeever]

He can bring matter into nothing and nothing into matter
It wouldn't make sense (probably) for him to change it by now, though. He could've premade everything he needs already
That'd be more just

If god is a mind, than morals can’t be objective. A mind is a subject. Now if god is not a sentient being, if he is pre determined, than morals could be objective but that would mean he’s/it’s not omnipotent and omniscience and he also has a creator

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

I mean than just animals behavior would be enough to shut this down. Or than they would have to say that this different cosmic morality in place for every different specie. That would be stupid especially cuz atheists believe in evolution

well i guess we'd have to say that certain animals are evil and that we rational moral actors would have to step in and stop them. But id say evil animal actions result in animals being punish more for their actions. Such as animal A eating their offspring and then dying to a bigger animal resulting in them not carrying their ''evil'' gene. But you'd have to say living is good or atleast ammoral

 

[tomahawk]

If god is a mind, than morals can’t be objective. A mind is a subject. Now if god is not a sentient being, if he is pre determined, than morals could be objective but that would mean he’s/it’s not omnipotent and omniscience and he also has a creator

His mind is transcendent, he decides what is what, he makes things into truth or lie
He creates objective rules for us humans

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

Appealing to economy and society (economy man made, society =subjective minds) to prove to me killing is bad won’t do it.

the painter interprets the land with his canvas and paintbrush i interpret the care of humans with the allocations of goods and resources (economy) but id guess to get deeper someone would have to discover or interpret the universes laws

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

Animals are fundamentally different from humans; humans possess an advanced form of consciousness that allows us to reason in abstract terms and ponder the future, rather than responding to environmental stimuli as do most mammals

this is not really a natural "ability"
the only actions you have to premeditate are all within the system, and really you only have to do that with actions that will bring legal consequence or make you fail/get set back in the system, i can't think of anything else

in nature you are not brainwashed by language or religion and you just do what you need for you and your tribe to survive and thrive and what's most effective. you don't give a fuck about the future (aka your imagination) only the now

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

in short we weren't rational or reasonable ?

this is not really a natural "ability"
the only actions you have to premeditate are all within the system, and really you only have to do that with actions that will bring legal consequence or make you fail/get set back in the system, i can't think of anything else

in nature you are not brainwashed by language or religion and you just do what you need for you and your tribe to survive and thrive and what's most effective. you don't give a fuck about the future (aka your imagination) only the now

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

in short we weren't rational or reasonable ?

define rational and reasonable

 

[Incelforeever]

His mind is transcendent, he decides what is what, he makes things into truth or lie
He creates objective rules for us humans

But they are not objective in a cosmic sense

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

define rational and reasonable

accurate and mostly unbaised decision making based on certain sets of principles of validity

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

accurate and mostly unbaised decision making based on certain sets of principles of validity

yes if that means the principles "of validity" (whatever the fuck that means) are manmade
humans naturally follow their intuition which IS logical

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

yes if that means the principles "of validity" (whatever the fuck that means) are manmade
humans naturally follow their intuition which IS logical

goatisbrained

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

goatisbrained

the argument? where is it?

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

the argument? where is it?

humans are reason and pattern orientated. We do not follow our intuition thats a lie. When you get in a car you dont drive it because you feel its safe because you know that the regulation rules, quality checks etc. You dont turn on your guessing whether or not your engines about to explode

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

humans are reason and pattern orientated. We do not follow our intuition thats a lie. When you get in a car you dont drive it because you feel its safe because you know that the regulation rules, quality checks etc. You dont turn on your guessing whether or not your engines about to explode

youre proving me right. there is no car to drive in nature.

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

youre proving me right. there is no car to drive in nature.

there is other whys we wouldnt have invented it

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

there is other whys we wouldnt have invented it

"cars exist in nature"

 

[JordanFagget271]

Title

i mean objective morality already exists in a sense, everyone does everything for what they think is the most beneficial to them, the only thing that differs is their opinions what benefits them the most

 

[Incelforeever]

i mean objective morality already exists in a sense, everyone does everything for what they think is the most beneficial to them, the only thing that differs is their opinions what benefits them the most

so the objectivity is in the subjectivity?

 

[true_subhuman_here]

Title

no

 

[JordanFagget271]

so the objectivity is in the subjectivity?

kinda


man i wish @theretard was still here we had these convos and he looked like a teacher compared to me,

now my views changed so much i want to have debates with him again, might do it on com cuz im so debate hungry

 

[Incelforeever]

kinda


man i wish @theretard was still here we had these convos and he looked like a teacher compared to me,

now my views changed so much i want to have debates with him again, might do it on com cuz im so debate hungry

wdym he just joined

 

[Societal Reject]

objectivity is subjective so yes

 

[JordanFagget271]

wdym he just joined

older user with the same name, theretard files r crazy tho u wouldnt believe how smart he was despite dressing up as a girl and sending it to other users as goon material

hell he even gooned to them himself

 

[LTNUser]

Evan burger

Who tf is that guy ?

 

[Incelforeever]

older user with the same name, theretard files r crazy tho u wouldnt believe how smart he was despite dressing up as a girl and sending it to other users as goon material

hell he even gooned to them himself

where do i find theretard files?

 

[JordanFagget271]

where do i find theretard files?

on com

 

[Incelforeever]

on com

wait everything u said happend on com?

 

[ccwb]

Title

Definitely some are some aren’t
Simple as tbat

 

[Incelforeever]

Definitely some are some aren’t
Simple as tbat

 

[Ted Bundy]

I can say that I believe 2+2=5, that doesn't make it true

there is no basis for your belief that killing is bad in a worldview without God

 

[Ted Bundy]

Maybe I already responded but even with a god there is no objectivity

God makes the rules so it is objective

 

[Incelforeever]

God makes the rules so it is objective

but than the rules are his desires, thus making them not objective